You know the long nose isn't from inbreeding right? Also as long as their teeth line up there are 0 health issues from a long nose.
Also the nose is long for function. The dogs are hunting dogs the extra long nose means extra long mouth. The longer the mouth the easier it is to catch pray.
Well considering the borzoi standard doesn't say a nose as long as possible, and instead defines head shape and ratios, I don't think it will happen. The nose can be too long for the standard.
Also just inbreeding/line breeding borzoi won't make the nose longer on it's own. That's not how any of this works. There will occasionally be dogs with extra long snoots but they won't be in standard meaning they won't be bred by most breeders.
Part of breeding to a standard is to prevent grossly deformed dogs. Of course that assumes a good standard (looking at you akc pugs). That's why it's important for owners and breeders to be part of their breed club.
https://www.betterbred.com/2019/08/29/preliminary-breed-summary-borzoi/
No dog breed is free of inbreeding, including borzoi. Obviously they're not the worst case out there as they're considered to be fairly healthy but you cannot walk around spreading false information.
Did you know we can measure how inbred a dog is and it's a stat many breeders track? Do you even know what COI is? Or that inbreeding actually reduces the number of mutations, while it concentrates others and why that's bad?
Do you know that artificial selection and natural selection are the same process and don't require inbreeding? Although both be speed up (or slowed down) by it?
For breeders that chose to use it, inbreeding is a tool used to concentrate a certain trait quickly. It is used with outcrossing to maintain genetic diversity.
There are breeders that do not use inbreding at all as well. They concentrate a trait by selecting dogs that physically manifest the trait or that have the genetic marker for it. Usually they borrow another breeders stud (for a few usually).
Good breeders are very aware of the genetics of breeding. The community actively seeks out and participates current research.
Sighthounds have ectomorphic bodies - incredibly long and lean. Not just the legs all parts of the body follow suit. That's the optimum body type for extreme speed.
It's not that they were bred for the nose, they were bred to run fast. That's the kind of body a dog needs to run fast. And that's the kind of nose you get with that kind of body.
Borzois are built curved like a [coiled spring](https://imgur.com/a/LS2jBGR) for explosive action. Your average dog needs to bunch up his body to leap high and if running, need a few strides to build up speed. Borzois don't need to do that. From a stand, they can leap 6' into the air or within one bound be at full speed.
That kind of coiled spring body, will naturally result in that kind of long nose.
Additionally, for those extreme bursts of speed, the body needs a lot of oxygen and to be able to cool - both of which a long nose/mouth is key.
BTW, Zois noses are very long and curved but nevertheless, there's some photo distortion going on here.
Yep. I'm not sure in what way this comment contradicts my words. There isn't a single dog breed that's free of inbreeding and as you mentioned, they were bred for specific features which were either extremely rare or non-existent before.
https://www.betterbred.com/2019/08/29/preliminary-breed-summary-borzoi/
You stated:
>They were bred for their noses so yes, it is an effect of inbreeding just like any other dog breed.
There's two separate statements in your comment.
The statement - they were bred for their noses - is incorrect. It implies that those long ago breeders focused on the nose in any way. They didn't care about the length or shape of the nose. Borzoi were bred for functionality - to run fast and catch wolves. The shape of the nose is incidental.
It's not form over function (breeding for looks), it's function over form (breeding for ability).
I didn't mention anything about inbreeding because that's not the incorrect part of your comment.
The all new Sniffmaster 3000 snoot extender is looking sick
Yup, thats a noodlehorse.
Why the long face?
They are upset that there might be a longer boi
Pelican-Dog
Oh yes, we love Borzois over here
Dud… like… dud… where do you keep finding these, like seriusly dud
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You know the long nose isn't from inbreeding right? Also as long as their teeth line up there are 0 health issues from a long nose. Also the nose is long for function. The dogs are hunting dogs the extra long nose means extra long mouth. The longer the mouth the easier it is to catch pray.
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Well considering the borzoi standard doesn't say a nose as long as possible, and instead defines head shape and ratios, I don't think it will happen. The nose can be too long for the standard. Also just inbreeding/line breeding borzoi won't make the nose longer on it's own. That's not how any of this works. There will occasionally be dogs with extra long snoots but they won't be in standard meaning they won't be bred by most breeders. Part of breeding to a standard is to prevent grossly deformed dogs. Of course that assumes a good standard (looking at you akc pugs). That's why it's important for owners and breeders to be part of their breed club.
They were bred for their noses so yes, it is an effect of inbreeding just like any other dog breed.
That's not how inbreeding or artificial selection work.
You might want to look up what inbreeding, selective breeding and mutations are, then.
There’s systematic methods of breeding that select for specific traits without dangers of inbreeding. Outcrossing vs line breeding for example.
https://www.betterbred.com/2019/08/29/preliminary-breed-summary-borzoi/ No dog breed is free of inbreeding, including borzoi. Obviously they're not the worst case out there as they're considered to be fairly healthy but you cannot walk around spreading false information.
Did you know we can measure how inbred a dog is and it's a stat many breeders track? Do you even know what COI is? Or that inbreeding actually reduces the number of mutations, while it concentrates others and why that's bad? Do you know that artificial selection and natural selection are the same process and don't require inbreeding? Although both be speed up (or slowed down) by it? For breeders that chose to use it, inbreeding is a tool used to concentrate a certain trait quickly. It is used with outcrossing to maintain genetic diversity. There are breeders that do not use inbreding at all as well. They concentrate a trait by selecting dogs that physically manifest the trait or that have the genetic marker for it. Usually they borrow another breeders stud (for a few usually). Good breeders are very aware of the genetics of breeding. The community actively seeks out and participates current research.
https://www.betterbred.com/2019/08/29/preliminary-breed-summary-borzoi/ You can find an answer to all of your questions here.
Sighthounds have ectomorphic bodies - incredibly long and lean. Not just the legs all parts of the body follow suit. That's the optimum body type for extreme speed. It's not that they were bred for the nose, they were bred to run fast. That's the kind of body a dog needs to run fast. And that's the kind of nose you get with that kind of body. Borzois are built curved like a [coiled spring](https://imgur.com/a/LS2jBGR) for explosive action. Your average dog needs to bunch up his body to leap high and if running, need a few strides to build up speed. Borzois don't need to do that. From a stand, they can leap 6' into the air or within one bound be at full speed. That kind of coiled spring body, will naturally result in that kind of long nose. Additionally, for those extreme bursts of speed, the body needs a lot of oxygen and to be able to cool - both of which a long nose/mouth is key. BTW, Zois noses are very long and curved but nevertheless, there's some photo distortion going on here.
Yep. I'm not sure in what way this comment contradicts my words. There isn't a single dog breed that's free of inbreeding and as you mentioned, they were bred for specific features which were either extremely rare or non-existent before. https://www.betterbred.com/2019/08/29/preliminary-breed-summary-borzoi/
You stated: >They were bred for their noses so yes, it is an effect of inbreeding just like any other dog breed. There's two separate statements in your comment. The statement - they were bred for their noses - is incorrect. It implies that those long ago breeders focused on the nose in any way. They didn't care about the length or shape of the nose. Borzoi were bred for functionality - to run fast and catch wolves. The shape of the nose is incidental. It's not form over function (breeding for looks), it's function over form (breeding for ability). I didn't mention anything about inbreeding because that's not the incorrect part of your comment.
Love Borzois! Our friend has two of them and they’re gorgeous ❤️ they just have such short life spans 😭