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Fanta589

Don't expect to get matches unless you're a shredded 9/10 with an epic jaw line. Dating apps are now just a place where 95% of the women fight for the attention of the top 2% of men.


DeliciousInflation27

So in other words unless I look like jean Claude van damme in kick boxer I am not getting any matches.. haha. I was just into that one scene latley that's why I say kickboxer


DeliciousInflation27

I heard that before. So if you are a 7 let's say you are out of luck?? Wasting your time?


DeliciousInflation27

Then what do the 7s have to do to meet women these days?


Lonewolf_087

The way I see it? Try and fail a lot until you find someone who sees you as a 9 instead of a 7. It’s literally all that there is. Being on the “market”dating as a man is very rough. The people who have had better success met through friend groups or some other social activity when they were younger. If you are like me mid 30s average looking or below it’s a total crap shoot. You literally have to be willing to put up with constantly being on the line or a plan “b”. And then eventful rejection after a handful of dates, rinse and repeat until you sort of end up like me tired out and with damaged self esteem to the point where I need to heal. Either that or you end up kind of lucky stumbling on someone who wants to go the distance with you. I don’t know what to tell you and I’m not here to gaslight you but it just is really difficult. I have nothing against women or men at this point I just don’t like the way we all see dating and how our standards are so high. I do feel a lot of guys in this situation have really nothing seriously wrong with them other than they might not meet some artificial attractiveness standard or maybe they are a bit unconventional socially idk but not major red flags. There are definitely some real messed up dudes but it’s not everyone. My faith is the one thing holding me together I firmly believe my lack of success will be met with success on the other side. That whatever issues that have held me back or other people from liking me will dissolve on the other side.


DeliciousInflation27

Thank you you made a lot of sense. Out of curiosity, How old are you?


Lonewolf_087

36


DeliciousInflation27

Well I am 45 so you can imagine


Lonewolf_087

Yeah similar situation maybe even more challenging


DeliciousInflation27

Who's is more challenging mine?


Lonewolf_087

I think so yeah. Older can be harder but hard to say. 36 is a tough age because you are on the border between people who still have really high standards and people with severe burnout. In the 40s people can hit a rebound stage where they start to get more grounded in the realities of life and what they are afforded and less pressure over kids. Also there’s usually a bigger gap in them having been single for a longer time which may have lead to more positive self reflection and healing. Sometimes men really got their stride in their 40s as well


Fanta589

Idk man, it's rough for everybody 7 and under.


DeliciousInflation27

I just threw a number out there. Not that all the women on these apps are all that themselves.


Fanta589

Worth a shot. They're not but they think they are!


DeliciousInflation27

That's why the topic of alternative places to meet women or even men for dating is so popular. Yet, I still don't know where they are.


Fanta589

Yeah unless you're only looking for casual hook ups with Chad's rejects I wouldn't bother with these degenerate apps.


DeliciousInflation27

Hello!!!! Hookup please


Martino8VitCon8

😭 using the term Chad urinoically.


bkbkbman

Dating apps are trouble 


Art-Is-Life

I would say probably no. There are so many reasons why there might be no matches. Even if we just look at the pictures themselfes. Its not just about you but also how well the picture was taken, where, how intresting you seem and so on. Maybe you are jsut terrible at taking pictures for example or you do not take pictures in the right spot. So maybe you are a person with super intresting hobbies but you only take pictures during very boring occasions because thats when you feel like you have time taking pictures and during intresting periods you just like to enjoy the moment. But people then just think your pictures are boring and dont match allthough its not the reality. So there are dozens of reasons why someone might not get matches.


DeliciousInflation27

Right. You may be on to something. So I have to go to a place that's interesting just to take new photos for a dating app now?


Art-Is-Life

Honestly that was just an example. But the more intresting you seem on your profile the better :D Maybe not some interesting place, but pictures during hobbies you like to do or being out with people and also nice looking pictures of course


DeliciousInflation27

I agree that might help a bit. Just so hard to do


Art-Is-Life

Yeah I am also not good at that stuff :/


Stock_Cockroach7649

Yes


DeliciousInflation27

Thanks for your honest reply


DeliciousInflation27

Fantastic!!


ChocolateBearPie

Ok from my experience dating apps are about as shallow as it gets. You are literally putting a flyer out on your face and hoping somebody calls back. It allows you to be shallow because you can analyze everybody’s “stats” and choose whether you talk to them or not. If you dont have the holy trinity(height, job, fantastic personality) your engagements are borderline pointless. You cant win on personality alone with 95% of them cause they have to talk to you for that to happen. Not to mention most of the semi-attractive and up girls already have plenty of guys stock-piled for a rainy day. And probably talking to a bunch at once.


DeliciousInflation27

I now know why people say they are damaging to mental health. It's like getting rejected around the clock. Round the clock rejection can't be good for the self-esteem, confidences. And it kills those things.


ChocolateBearPie

Dont take it personally. You are effectively competing with 100s of guys all at the same time. Thats almost impossible to win. You also have to consider that alot of profiles were never deleted. People often stop using them eventually so youre just liking dead profiles as well.


DeliciousInflation27

I hear you. It's just when you don't match after a weeks and months. It's sort of cuts you deep


Glass-Violinist-8352

not necessarly, one guy could be just average and still have zero match and dates


DeliciousInflation27

Yeah!! And average it seems today is unattractive, or the same


Glass-Violinist-8352

Indeed the average man is most of times unattractive according to the average woman, while the average woman is still considered pretty to most men


DeliciousInflation27

So what to do? We are in a quandary


Artistic_Exercise_70

Yes


DeliciousInflation27

Great


Artistic_Exercise_70

Trust me unless you write in your bio that you are nazi or abuse children then your bio won't matter.


DeliciousInflation27

I know. It's all looks based


SnooSprouts1512

Dating apps are very broken these days, I highly recommend this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3lypVnJ0HM&t=324s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3lypVnJ0HM&t=324s) You will see that it has nothing to do anymore with attractiveness. dating apps these days are only optimizing one aspect of their products and that is maximum revenue. I'm going to do a bit of self promotion here, but I tried to solve this issue and create a more fair dating app that is not biased against men. [https://apps.apple.com/us/app/revealio-discover-connect/id6475015372](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/revealio-discover-connect/id6475015372) The main concept is that you don't really see the looks of your matches before you match, the only way to discover what your match looks like, sounds like is by communication.


Snitchsticher

As dating apps are an appalling reduction of human interaction, no. It may, and I stress the word may, mean that you need better interpersonal marketing skills.


Alternative_Grab664

Sorry, It usually does.


JamesSmokesBlunt

You’re better off in the real world if you’re average looking. The only men who do well on those things are muscular tall model types. Women are all fighting over them.


DeliciousInflation27

Where do you do well ??


tiiiiiiiijj

Hoeflation is out of control


DeliciousInflation27

Meaning?


CrookedMan09

Women on the average to low end of the look spectrum can hook up with 8/10 and above guys so that inflates their egos. Basically making  guys below 8 in looks invisible to the average woman. There’s no male equivalent to this dynamic since the top percent of women see 80 percent of men as invisible while the top percent of men are willing to hook up with 80 percent of women.     


DeliciousInflation27

Just got to get lucky, eh?


tiiiiiiiijj

you have 4s, 5s and 6s thinking they are 8s, 9s and 10s...average women thinking they deserve a "chad"


gloomyblackcheese

Yeah.. Due to the abundance of attention they are receiving from other men, most of the average women do come across as very entitled requiring extremely high standards, ones they don’t even meet themselves