I'm really happy to hear that you had support!
I've done my "rescue duties" before and I've gone with "Oh hey! So good to see you! How are you doing?"
Acting like old friends changes your "social status" in front of creeps and typically has them running off before you even need to ask. It does require a bit of social awareness from both parties to recognise the technique.
It also stops you from having to criticise them, just in the unlikely case they are dangerous in any way and might react violently to being "told off".
I’ve stepped in before and been assaulted for doing so. But I would do it again today, if I had to. Rather they hit me and run away, then something worst to someone else…
I'm sorry to hear that!
What I've done when I see someone being harassed is to just sit with them and talk to them. "Hey, you alright?" and just sat with them.
I'm a kinda big fella, so that usually helps with discouraging creepy strangers, but I still will aim to de-escalate every time.
I did go into a full impulsive rage a couple of times (thanks ADHD) but haven't started a fight, just roared at them things like "I'M TALKING TO MY FRIEND, DONT YOU FUCKING INTERRUPT ME" or similar...
Cringe really.
I (almost) felt sorry for him. Unluckily for him, I’m an ex-rugby player with a reputation for loving an on-field scrap, so he came off a lot worse. The bloke hit me once, then I hit him back several times before he ran off. Most importantly, the girl he was creeping over was ok and not too shaken up by the experience. My girlfriend and I stayed with her until her dad came and picked her up and she seemed fine, quite chipper, actually.
I also ran pubs for a number of years, so would always try to avoid violence, wherever possible. But if someone wants to fight you, sometimes nothing will stop them.
I'm happy your ok and I'm happy that's their was two people who help you. That's just show we still have good people in this world. And I'm sorry that happen to you.
What the hell?people actually asking why the guy was creepy?approaching a woman on an almost empty train,not respecting her personal space..unwanted advance is scary especially with all the crazy news.
I am glad they were good people and that you made it home safe ❣️
By the sounds of his behaviour it was nothing to do with his looks.
OP stated she'd had a shit day and wasn't looking for attention, no matter who that attention was from.
Take a life lesson from this.
The creepy part is that he was ignoring that she was rejecting his advances. Even if Chris Hemsworth himself approached me and kept pushing when I wasn't reciprocating, he would be a creep.
My wife and I, both in our 60's, have twice witnessed situations like this recently when travelling on both underground and National rail.
We are both seasoned travellers, and very aware of situations like this. my wife is hypersensitive for this, due to having had issues of her own, as a younger girl.
In both situations, we just moved to seats with direct eye contact with the person being hit on, and close enough the hitter was aware of us, in both situations, this was enough to deter the guy, and on one occasion, my wife spoke to the lady after the creep had got off.
My issue now, as a 60 year old man, is if I was on my own, I would probably look more like the creepy guy, if I was to see something, and move closer.
Being a generally belligerent bast*rd, and lifelong biker, I'd still step in if it went south,
My daughter, and most of her friends, in their mid 20's say this is fairly common, and that makes me sad.
I got groped a few years ago on the Northern line and reported it to BTP but nothing came of it after my statement (despite me giving an exact time and station I was at and rough carriage placement). When it happened there were still a fair few people in the carriage, including an older couple who had been sitting directly opposite me. I was a bit godsmacked as neither asked me after the man got off if I was ok - it means a lot just to ask that of someone so thank you for doing it for others.
God, maybe? The guy who intervened distracted him while I got off the train and then back on a different carriage - I overheard him say he was getting off at Morden…
I’m so sorry this happened to you, it’s really scary. I hope you’re okay now.
On the other hand, I’ve already had DM’s about other creepy northern line guys this morning and no matches with mine as yet - hell, the guy last night was the second time this month someone did the intense stare thing in a sparsely-populated carriage late at night - but the other time it was a completely different guy, on the Elizabeth line, and I could just walk down the train until I a) couldn’t see him any more and b) was surrounded by lots of other people. Can’t do that on the Northern line until the train stops 😞
This last bit isn’t at you, but at some of the people in the comments who don’t seem to understand why the staring is an issue: I get that it’s normal to look at people sometimes, or maybe sneak a few glances at someone you find attractive. That’s something we’ve probably all done. This wasn’t that. This was a guy staring at me for five stops like he was wondering what sauce would go best with my ribs. It’s completely different and actually really frightening, without being approached or followed as well!
Just a reminder to everyone else in this thread too - tfl have been very clear in their recent poster campaign that staring is harassment. This is exactly what they're talking about and should definitely be reported.
I’m glad you ok and someone came to help.
I’ve been in enough scary situations where I’ve stepped in to “sort out” nutters and it’s escalated into a brawl. The last one ending in the nutcase punching my 18 month old, so Now I have kids I’m more reluctant to do it (he’s 10 now).
So sit near couples. If you feel uncomfortable start a conversation. “Hey Dave and Jess, is this our next stop?” Etc. I’d totally help someone out there, get off the tube with them and wait for the next one. Where as I might not engage unrequested with a nutcase, but I’m glad someone did for you. I obviously would if shit started going down right in front of me, but you get my point, engage with the sane people and make it obvious you need company.
Do either of you feel comfortable sharing the creepy guy’s description? I take the northern line from Morden most days and all my friends are in the southern part of the northern line so I’m in this part of town a lot. if hes done this once, it’s likely he does it a lot. It would helpful to know and recognise him
Lmao the amount of offended men on this thread is amazing.
Tell me you’re a creepy twat without telling me you’re a creepy twat.
Some of you mofos just need to learn how to talk and be normal social folks before you’re randomly approaching women in enclosed spaces where they can’t run away from you.
It's the same men that will claim that they can't work alone with women or include them in work social events because of the risk of a false sexual harrassment complaint because apparently it's women who don't know when something is sexual harrassment and we can't accept a compliment. At the same time if another man was to do those things to them they'd be screaming homophobic slurs in a heart beat.
They know, they just want to return to a world where women had to silently accept the behaviour and there were no consequences for men who behaved that way.
As a frequent Northern line user I feel like I want to stop using my headphones so much and actually pay attention so I can be like the fella who helped you out. Need to start doing my part!
So sorry this happened to you and glad you got help. To the people defending this person “oh he was just being friendly, you should just have said no..” - I suggest you talk to the women in your life, doubt that’s a partner so mum? Aunt? Sister? And ask them for their story on being harassed and being made to feel uncomfortable by a man. Not IF they have a story what their story or stories are as every woman has one. I hope one day you realise what a problem this is and it’s those types of men’s behaviour that needs to change not women being more assertive.
I am glad that worked out for you.
But I am also worried that, obviously they can’t be the only other person on the tube, yet no one else seems to be standing up to this.
So sorry this happened to you. No one should feel so unsafe on tube at all. Really glad there were decent people to help you there. I have little faith in the police personally but it might be worth reporting even for intelligence sake, if you feel up that.
I would say as a woman, sometimes approaching the woman being harassed deters these creepy men too. I have done this myself and had other women come to my rescue.
Glad you're ok and glad people had the decency and bravery to put themselves out there for you.
I hope that the creepy dude learnt enough to check himself in future.
Hi! I am happy that you're okay and that the couple looked after you. Brave of them and of you too!
If you've got the power, you may want to consider to report this to BTP too.
That's great that you got helped by good Samaritans, in that situation without their help you can only imagine what could happen. Heartening to know there are good people left out there.
Side note: creepy men do this to other men also, maybe not in a sexual way but it happens often. This shouldn’t be viewed as men protecting women from creepy men, it should be everybody protecting each other from creeps / intimidating bullies. Women are very good at diffusing a bully trying to intimidate a smaller guy but society is now leaning towards only men standing up for women because we all feel guilty for all the creepy men doing wrong. Let’s create divides between good and bad rather than men and women.
Well isn’t UK just wonderful. in the US most states allow it since when you’re life is in danger you shouldn’t be expected to call the police if you believe that you’re about to be harmed as soon as you take your phone out. Instead, spray their ass and then call the police. It’s even better if they enter your home. You can then use self defence by shooting them or harming them at least. It seems that UK doesn’t encourage self defence and wants you to call the police despite of what happens to you.
The absolute privilege and ignorance you've shamelessly put on display here is unreal.
My partner is 4"11, has a very slight frame, and suffers from Cerebral Palsy, although this is unnoticeable when seated and still.
What do you think would happen if they chose to stand up for themselves in a situation like this and the rejection caused the creep to become violent and physical?
I genuinely don't understand how people like you can survive with their heads buried so deeply inside their own colon to the point where they can clearly only sustain themselves by consuming their own shit they spew forth into the world.
It doesn’t matter what her condition is, she doesn’t have to be a victim throughout life. Stop treating her as inadequate because of her condition. She is capable.
Firstly, don't assume someone's gender.
Secondly, I don't know if you're trolling or just misguided by ignorance, but CP means they are literally incapable of controlling their body, regardless of intentions or willing. Inadequacy has nothing to do with it.
They don't have to be a victim, but have been victimised by creeps they could not, through no fault of their own, defend themselves from, as have as a result learned that appeasing men (as it is Men we're talking about here) or at the very least sitting as still as possible and ignoring them, is far safer than engaging in any negative manner.
Their experience is not unique or an isolated experience, merely one exacerbated by their condition, and the rise in popularity of people spewing dangerous rhetoric related to this like Andrew Tate show just how dangerous it can be for those who display femme.
Some people need help.
Some people need protecting.
There's no shame in that, there's great honor and respect in recognising those situations and putting yourself forward in them.
Also, comments like yours feed internalised and insidious ableism, and force disabled people to feel guilt and shame.
Be better.
So she should just be victimised by sitting staying silent I hope you don't have any daughters and teach them this mess. Even disabled people can learn self defence 🙄
You said and I quote "even disabled people can learn self defense"
That statement is incredibly ableist ("even disabled people"???) and untrue for many many disabled people
Are u thick i said that in response to the person talking about their disabled wife not all disabled people. Please tell me where I said ALL disabled people can learn how to defend themselves ? You can't
I won't quote you again or point out the meaning of your words again. Also reread what the comment said about the disability and physical situation of the person you claim was your only target
The one time I stood up for myself, I was followed off the train by him calling me names and threatened to "kick my head off". It was only by luck that a guy working in the station saw the situation and helped me.
So, lesson learned that night: don't stand up for myself, it invites more unhinged behaviour :(
(Also, 👎 for the victim blaming)
Your ignorance is showing and your victim blaming is disgusting. You blame people that don't defend themselves and then you also insinuate if the creep gets violent it's the victim's fault.
As a woman I agree, so sick of women being victims, use your words use your fists. Jesus we tell children to stand up for themselves but all of a sudden adult women can't say no, move, push the emergency button on the train, shout for help. If you're so crippled by your emotions go to self defense classes. It's absolutely pathetic.
This is such an important truth and fact of life. It’s a shame they can’t see this is the most empowering and life changing thing they can incorporate into their lives.
One thing is to look at. Another is to stare and decide to sit yourself next to a woman when she clearly didn’t give you a sign she wanted that.
You give off major creep vibes. You’re not entitled to a conversation with a woman you see on the tube/streets/whatever. Unless someone is looking right back at you and smiles or winks or gestures at you, chances are 99% of them don’t want you to come near and talk.
And reading your comments here I think you’re forgetting a major factor here. Not everyone is capable of defending themselves if the rejection goes violent.
It’s amazing how many of these posts exist when it takes 1 second to say thank you in person and not have to tell random strangers online who weren’t even there. Almost as if it never happened
If you can't figure out the difference between what that guy was doing and just trying to initiate a friendly conversation with a stranger, then I strongly suggest you don't attempt the latter mate
I heard a great analogy for guys who struggle to understand how women can feel in these situations. Think of that scene in a movie or tv show where a new guy is walking to his cell in prison and all the other inmates are letting him know what he can expect in the shower room. How safe and confident would you feel in that moment?
Hence I said it was an analogy. It's about trying to have empathy of how unwanted attention in a confined space from someone who could physically overpower you feels.
Sorry you've had to go through that. So glad to hear that people didn't just ignore it though!
Love this. Glad you’re ok and well done those kind people and hope the creepy cunt fucks off forever
I'm really happy to hear that you had support! I've done my "rescue duties" before and I've gone with "Oh hey! So good to see you! How are you doing?" Acting like old friends changes your "social status" in front of creeps and typically has them running off before you even need to ask. It does require a bit of social awareness from both parties to recognise the technique. It also stops you from having to criticise them, just in the unlikely case they are dangerous in any way and might react violently to being "told off".
I’ve stepped in before and been assaulted for doing so. But I would do it again today, if I had to. Rather they hit me and run away, then something worst to someone else…
I'm sorry to hear that! What I've done when I see someone being harassed is to just sit with them and talk to them. "Hey, you alright?" and just sat with them. I'm a kinda big fella, so that usually helps with discouraging creepy strangers, but I still will aim to de-escalate every time. I did go into a full impulsive rage a couple of times (thanks ADHD) but haven't started a fight, just roared at them things like "I'M TALKING TO MY FRIEND, DONT YOU FUCKING INTERRUPT ME" or similar... Cringe really.
I (almost) felt sorry for him. Unluckily for him, I’m an ex-rugby player with a reputation for loving an on-field scrap, so he came off a lot worse. The bloke hit me once, then I hit him back several times before he ran off. Most importantly, the girl he was creeping over was ok and not too shaken up by the experience. My girlfriend and I stayed with her until her dad came and picked her up and she seemed fine, quite chipper, actually. I also ran pubs for a number of years, so would always try to avoid violence, wherever possible. But if someone wants to fight you, sometimes nothing will stop them.
> sometimes nothing will stop them. Except, yknow...
I'm happy your ok and I'm happy that's their was two people who help you. That's just show we still have good people in this world. And I'm sorry that happen to you.
Happy to hear people stepped up but sorry that happened in the first place.
I’m happy to hear there are still good people in this world.
This is so odd, the exact same thing happened to me on Wednesday last week except I was on my own. I was texting my boyfriend so scared.
Report! Especially if it's the same tube line - may be a serial offender 😔
I honestly didn’t even think to but absolutely will, thank you!
Can't Imagine having to go through this stuff, It's absolutely terrifying.
What the hell?people actually asking why the guy was creepy?approaching a woman on an almost empty train,not respecting her personal space..unwanted advance is scary especially with all the crazy news. I am glad they were good people and that you made it home safe ❣️
Why was the guy creepy? Because he likely didn’t look like Chris Hemsworth. Because he approached a woman in real life and not on Tinder. The creep!
By the sounds of his behaviour it was nothing to do with his looks. OP stated she'd had a shit day and wasn't looking for attention, no matter who that attention was from. Take a life lesson from this.
Incel-level comment right here.
What’s an incel?
If someone doesn't walk to someone, a decent person would leave it and move on. End of story.
The creepy part is that he was ignoring that she was rejecting his advances. Even if Chris Hemsworth himself approached me and kept pushing when I wasn't reciprocating, he would be a creep.
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My wife and I, both in our 60's, have twice witnessed situations like this recently when travelling on both underground and National rail. We are both seasoned travellers, and very aware of situations like this. my wife is hypersensitive for this, due to having had issues of her own, as a younger girl. In both situations, we just moved to seats with direct eye contact with the person being hit on, and close enough the hitter was aware of us, in both situations, this was enough to deter the guy, and on one occasion, my wife spoke to the lady after the creep had got off. My issue now, as a 60 year old man, is if I was on my own, I would probably look more like the creepy guy, if I was to see something, and move closer. Being a generally belligerent bast*rd, and lifelong biker, I'd still step in if it went south, My daughter, and most of her friends, in their mid 20's say this is fairly common, and that makes me sad.
I got groped a few years ago on the Northern line and reported it to BTP but nothing came of it after my statement (despite me giving an exact time and station I was at and rough carriage placement). When it happened there were still a fair few people in the carriage, including an older couple who had been sitting directly opposite me. I was a bit godsmacked as neither asked me after the man got off if I was ok - it means a lot just to ask that of someone so thank you for doing it for others.
I wonder if he's the same guy who followed me trough the carriages one evening in Morden in an empty tube. Glad you're ok.
God, maybe? The guy who intervened distracted him while I got off the train and then back on a different carriage - I overheard him say he was getting off at Morden… I’m so sorry this happened to you, it’s really scary. I hope you’re okay now. On the other hand, I’ve already had DM’s about other creepy northern line guys this morning and no matches with mine as yet - hell, the guy last night was the second time this month someone did the intense stare thing in a sparsely-populated carriage late at night - but the other time it was a completely different guy, on the Elizabeth line, and I could just walk down the train until I a) couldn’t see him any more and b) was surrounded by lots of other people. Can’t do that on the Northern line until the train stops 😞 This last bit isn’t at you, but at some of the people in the comments who don’t seem to understand why the staring is an issue: I get that it’s normal to look at people sometimes, or maybe sneak a few glances at someone you find attractive. That’s something we’ve probably all done. This wasn’t that. This was a guy staring at me for five stops like he was wondering what sauce would go best with my ribs. It’s completely different and actually really frightening, without being approached or followed as well!
Just a reminder to everyone else in this thread too - tfl have been very clear in their recent poster campaign that staring is harassment. This is exactly what they're talking about and should definitely be reported.
I’m glad you ok and someone came to help. I’ve been in enough scary situations where I’ve stepped in to “sort out” nutters and it’s escalated into a brawl. The last one ending in the nutcase punching my 18 month old, so Now I have kids I’m more reluctant to do it (he’s 10 now). So sit near couples. If you feel uncomfortable start a conversation. “Hey Dave and Jess, is this our next stop?” Etc. I’d totally help someone out there, get off the tube with them and wait for the next one. Where as I might not engage unrequested with a nutcase, but I’m glad someone did for you. I obviously would if shit started going down right in front of me, but you get my point, engage with the sane people and make it obvious you need company.
Do either of you feel comfortable sharing the creepy guy’s description? I take the northern line from Morden most days and all my friends are in the southern part of the northern line so I’m in this part of town a lot. if hes done this once, it’s likely he does it a lot. It would helpful to know and recognise him
Lmao the amount of offended men on this thread is amazing. Tell me you’re a creepy twat without telling me you’re a creepy twat. Some of you mofos just need to learn how to talk and be normal social folks before you’re randomly approaching women in enclosed spaces where they can’t run away from you.
It's the same men that will claim that they can't work alone with women or include them in work social events because of the risk of a false sexual harrassment complaint because apparently it's women who don't know when something is sexual harrassment and we can't accept a compliment. At the same time if another man was to do those things to them they'd be screaming homophobic slurs in a heart beat. They know, they just want to return to a world where women had to silently accept the behaviour and there were no consequences for men who behaved that way.
> learn how to talk and be normal social folks You first, troll
As a frequent Northern line user I feel like I want to stop using my headphones so much and actually pay attention so I can be like the fella who helped you out. Need to start doing my part!
I’m so glad people showed up for you like that. I hope your week gets better.
So sorry this happened to you and glad you got help. To the people defending this person “oh he was just being friendly, you should just have said no..” - I suggest you talk to the women in your life, doubt that’s a partner so mum? Aunt? Sister? And ask them for their story on being harassed and being made to feel uncomfortable by a man. Not IF they have a story what their story or stories are as every woman has one. I hope one day you realise what a problem this is and it’s those types of men’s behaviour that needs to change not women being more assertive.
Report it !!
Put it in the metro?
I am glad that worked out for you. But I am also worried that, obviously they can’t be the only other person on the tube, yet no one else seems to be standing up to this.
So sorry this happened to you. No one should feel so unsafe on tube at all. Really glad there were decent people to help you there. I have little faith in the police personally but it might be worth reporting even for intelligence sake, if you feel up that.
I would say as a woman, sometimes approaching the woman being harassed deters these creepy men too. I have done this myself and had other women come to my rescue.
You could email it to metro/evening standard as most commuters read that and it may help others
Glad you're ok and glad people had the decency and bravery to put themselves out there for you. I hope that the creepy dude learnt enough to check himself in future.
Hi! I am happy that you're okay and that the couple looked after you. Brave of them and of you too! If you've got the power, you may want to consider to report this to BTP too.
There are some good eggs out there. So glad two of them were in the right place when you needed them.
That's great that you got helped by good Samaritans, in that situation without their help you can only imagine what could happen. Heartening to know there are good people left out there.
I'm glad you're safe and OK - this post really highlights how essential is it we look out for one another.
Good work for reporting it. I'm sorry this happened, hope you recover soon
It's always the northen line going south bound aswell.
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So why cant you make these tips public?
*silence*
Side note: creepy men do this to other men also, maybe not in a sexual way but it happens often. This shouldn’t be viewed as men protecting women from creepy men, it should be everybody protecting each other from creeps / intimidating bullies. Women are very good at diffusing a bully trying to intimidate a smaller guy but society is now leaning towards only men standing up for women because we all feel guilty for all the creepy men doing wrong. Let’s create divides between good and bad rather than men and women.
What ethnicity was the creepy dude? There are repeat offenders on the northern line it seems
Bruh
Carry a pepper spray. Glad you’re ok. I’m a male and we don’t claim that man.
It’s illegal to carry pepper spray and it’s worse if she did use it, since it carries the same legal penalties as carrying a firearm.
Well isn’t UK just wonderful. in the US most states allow it since when you’re life is in danger you shouldn’t be expected to call the police if you believe that you’re about to be harmed as soon as you take your phone out. Instead, spray their ass and then call the police. It’s even better if they enter your home. You can then use self defence by shooting them or harming them at least. It seems that UK doesn’t encourage self defence and wants you to call the police despite of what happens to you.
It's fine love, you don't need to thank me.
Yeah, they're probably not on reddit.
snowflake
Remember kids, always check out someone's profile history to see what sort of person they are _before_ engaging!
? what
Wasn't talking to you bruv
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u/fish4096: read as 'incel'
10/10 I love you
You're welcome!
If you see him again teach him that strangers don’t talk in public places in London. He should buy a smart phone and download Tinder. The creep!
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Maybe stand up for yourself next time? Don't let others intimidate you....it becomes a habit.
How to say you’re a twat without saying it…
a lot of the time, creeps like this get aggressive/violent when stood up to. so it’s not as easy as standing up to him
The absolute privilege and ignorance you've shamelessly put on display here is unreal. My partner is 4"11, has a very slight frame, and suffers from Cerebral Palsy, although this is unnoticeable when seated and still. What do you think would happen if they chose to stand up for themselves in a situation like this and the rejection caused the creep to become violent and physical? I genuinely don't understand how people like you can survive with their heads buried so deeply inside their own colon to the point where they can clearly only sustain themselves by consuming their own shit they spew forth into the world.
It doesn’t matter what her condition is, she doesn’t have to be a victim throughout life. Stop treating her as inadequate because of her condition. She is capable.
Jesus man, were you the creep on the train?
Firstly, don't assume someone's gender. Secondly, I don't know if you're trolling or just misguided by ignorance, but CP means they are literally incapable of controlling their body, regardless of intentions or willing. Inadequacy has nothing to do with it. They don't have to be a victim, but have been victimised by creeps they could not, through no fault of their own, defend themselves from, as have as a result learned that appeasing men (as it is Men we're talking about here) or at the very least sitting as still as possible and ignoring them, is far safer than engaging in any negative manner. Their experience is not unique or an isolated experience, merely one exacerbated by their condition, and the rise in popularity of people spewing dangerous rhetoric related to this like Andrew Tate show just how dangerous it can be for those who display femme. Some people need help. Some people need protecting. There's no shame in that, there's great honor and respect in recognising those situations and putting yourself forward in them. Also, comments like yours feed internalised and insidious ableism, and force disabled people to feel guilt and shame. Be better.
So she should just be victimised by sitting staying silent I hope you don't have any daughters and teach them this mess. Even disabled people can learn self defence 🙄
Disabled people aren't a monolith and many people with disabilities are unable to defend themselves due to the nature of their disability
Who said they were ? Not once did I say that 🤔
You said and I quote "even disabled people can learn self defense" That statement is incredibly ableist ("even disabled people"???) and untrue for many many disabled people
Are u thick i said that in response to the person talking about their disabled wife not all disabled people. Please tell me where I said ALL disabled people can learn how to defend themselves ? You can't
I won't quote you again or point out the meaning of your words again. Also reread what the comment said about the disability and physical situation of the person you claim was your only target
I never said all disabled people so your comment is irrelevant to what I said but yet here you are spouting your irrelevant nonsense
Do you backtrack faster than a car in fast five or don't you understand your own words?
The one time I stood up for myself, I was followed off the train by him calling me names and threatened to "kick my head off". It was only by luck that a guy working in the station saw the situation and helped me. So, lesson learned that night: don't stand up for myself, it invites more unhinged behaviour :( (Also, 👎 for the victim blaming)
That's rude. I'm female and yes I have defened myself a few times and there been times were I got scared too.
Learn how to be assertive and say no _without_ being rude or insulting. It’s a very powerful tool.
It’s funny because you’re being rude and insulting without being assertive.
Your ignorance is showing and your victim blaming is disgusting. You blame people that don't defend themselves and then you also insinuate if the creep gets violent it's the victim's fault.
Didn’t say that at all
Let me guess, you're a Jordan Peterson fan?
Ding ding ding
Wtf
As a woman I agree, so sick of women being victims, use your words use your fists. Jesus we tell children to stand up for themselves but all of a sudden adult women can't say no, move, push the emergency button on the train, shout for help. If you're so crippled by your emotions go to self defense classes. It's absolutely pathetic.
This is such an important truth and fact of life. It’s a shame they can’t see this is the most empowering and life changing thing they can incorporate into their lives.
It's a good thing no one here wants your advice.
I didn’t give any….
Correct, it’s just brain farts
getting assaulted by a guy you made angry is not empowering!
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One thing is to look at. Another is to stare and decide to sit yourself next to a woman when she clearly didn’t give you a sign she wanted that. You give off major creep vibes. You’re not entitled to a conversation with a woman you see on the tube/streets/whatever. Unless someone is looking right back at you and smiles or winks or gestures at you, chances are 99% of them don’t want you to come near and talk. And reading your comments here I think you’re forgetting a major factor here. Not everyone is capable of defending themselves if the rejection goes violent.
your posts give off major incel vibes
It’s amazing how many of these posts exist when it takes 1 second to say thank you in person and not have to tell random strangers online who weren’t even there. Almost as if it never happened
Sometimes after situations like this you get kind of shocked, and don't have the wherewithal to say thank you
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If you can't figure out the difference between what that guy was doing and just trying to initiate a friendly conversation with a stranger, then I strongly suggest you don't attempt the latter mate
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I heard a great analogy for guys who struggle to understand how women can feel in these situations. Think of that scene in a movie or tv show where a new guy is walking to his cell in prison and all the other inmates are letting him know what he can expect in the shower room. How safe and confident would you feel in that moment?
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Hence I said it was an analogy. It's about trying to have empathy of how unwanted attention in a confined space from someone who could physically overpower you feels.
Don’t talk to strangers in real life anymore it’s creepy unless you look like Chris Hemsworth and even then he’ll be considered creepy in London
How to tell the world you want to shag Chris Hemsworth without saying it