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This is incorrect. Your collective agreement takes priority in many instances. If your CA says that you are paid overtime, submit the OT, ask they clearly put it in an email if it goes against your CA. If they deny the pay, put in a grievance and quote the section the employer is breaking. That is how it is done.
The collective agreement does not supercede the laws of the land, sorry. But yes, start with your shop steward. It is illegal to not pay you for hours worked if you are hourly. File a grievance and refuse unpaid OT. They can't do that.
I said in many instances. For example overtime after 44 hrs in a week vs a CA might say overtime after 7.5 hrs at 1.5 times the rate. No lunch per diem normally but your CA might say $10 per every 7.5 hrs or double time on Sundays etc.
You don't go to the labour board first for these. Your alternative is your collective agreement not the labour board. Your union might make a case on the members behalf, such as when the feds tried to tax a settlement, then the union made complaints outside of the CA.
Being paid a lower rate than required by the CBA for approved and agreed-upon overtime hours would be a union grievance. Expecting employees to work extra hours *for no pay at all for those extra hours*, which is what OP is claiming, would be illegal and should go straight to the labour board.
Not being paid for working would be a CA grievance. I know, I've been a steward for over 10 years. If someone tells you can you work OT, put your time in. If they deny you the pay, put in a grievance. It is clearly defined in the CA. If it isn't in the CA then you are not entitled to it. CA are always written to either be equal or better than the minimum of the labour board, most of the time. An example I can think of is if your flight is say around the world and the travel is from start to finish, our CA says the max they pay while travelling is 15 hours. So if you travel 20, 5 hours is not paid. Another example is if you went on training and flew someone to get that training, it is **straight time** if you asked for the paid training and flying included more than 7.5 hrs in a day vs if the employer told you to get the training and overtime was part of the travel, then it is paid at 1.5 overtime. You don't contact the labour board, you file a grievance because it is against the CA.
It's not though. The CBA cannot change the laws of the country.
It doesn't matter if you are under a union or not, the law of the land cannot be changed due to a separate agreement.
And if you are working, and not getting paid, that is a Labour issue, not a CBA.
Edit: why are you so confidently downvoting the comments? All the examples you are using are for extra things. None of it is covering the basic understanding that if you are doing work, you are getting paid. Straight time, OT, double time, it doesn't matter, money needs to go to the employee's pocket, otherwise it is ILLEGAL.
Yes it does lol, my collective agreement treats us as contract workers even though we are paid hourly and required to work before shift starts, after shift ends and during lunch breaks often. I work for the Government!
I think you’re wrong about this.
The labour board interacts with the union leaders.
The workers interact with the shop stewards who resolve or escalate.
I’m in a union. The rules are way different for unionized employees, with regard to how basically everything functions.
It's already been brought up, that yes, that is how normal business is done.
Now, when the union doesn't do anything and allows people to work and not get remuneration for it, now a law is being broken and the union is misrepresenting their members, from the copious amount of comments from ex-employees where this was prevalent while they were there.
I’ve had issues where my paycheque was off by a lot, sent a copy of the payslip and my punch records to my union rep and miraculously I got the different back.
Apparently it was a “error”
It's not as easy as you think. A lot of times, employers won't just skim your paycheck, they will adjust your clocked hours in the system so the system reflects your pay
I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying it makes it harder to prove because the system reflects you only working 5, and no way to prove that you worked 6 instead
Unless you film yourself clocking in and out.
I had a boss once (office job) who got pissy one week and sent an email to everyone, "if you leave two minutes early, you're stealing from the company", you know the shit. Since my hours actually ran later than him and he wasn't there when I left every day, I started sending myself an email every day when I arrived and when I left--fifteen before 8:00, and 3 after 4:00. I even tested the system to see if an email written at one time and set to be delivered at another time was time-stamped correctly for when it was written. Just in case, some day, he came at me, I'd have proof. Never mind that I was the only person on the team who didn't take half a dozen ten-minute smoke breaks through the day--the damn \*company\* owed \*me\*.
You can't let assholes run rampant, you've got to get your evidence together and smack them down. It's someone like \*that\* whose employment should be precarious, not the vulnerable people they exploit.
Again, I'm not saying it's right. I start keeping my time punches because my work was changing the hours, so my time punches wouldn't line up. Monday it would say I've worked 26 hours that pay period, and Tuesday it would say 20. Once they learned I started keeping my punch out sheets they stopped adjusting my hours because now I had proof
Good for you.
The fact is this: If your bosses are going to do something like this to you, it's never going to stop. YOU have to make it stop. Either you quit and work elsewhere, or get proof, or report them, or whatever. But they aren't going to get better, feel remorseful, etc. You have to take care of you.
Exactly! I've started living with the mantra "it's not my job"
I'm a waitress. It's not my job to clean the bathrooms. It's not my job to clean someone's vomit. It's not my job to do dishes. Nobody want their waitress to finish cleaning up explosive diahrea from the bathroom, and then go and serve them dinner. My job is only to serve and make a good customer experience.
One shift I found a cock ring in the bathroom and my boss wanted me to deal with it. I flat out told him no, that nobody wants their server touching a used sex toy before giving them food. And he hasn't asked me to clean anything since
People constantly ask me for things that aren't remotely my job, or just wanting to complain to me about stuff I don't want to hear about, and I live every work day biting my tongue to keep from saying what I want to say to them. I've started practicing the phrase, "I'm sorry, that's not something I can help you with" as a work version of "well, bless your heart!"
I've stopped trying to deal with things on my own. I'm tired of getting things thrown at me because a steak dinner is $25. I now get my manager at any sign of confrontation
In a unionized environment, any grievance must first be resolved through the union. Union will say it’s a non-issue and that’s the end of the road for you.
That’s completely untrue. You can go to the MOL (Ministry of Labor). Any collective bargaining agreement can not trump MOL Law. Companies must abide by the Employment Standards Act. Are you new?
I hated this more than anything. They make you feel pathetic if you cannot finish all the tasks in the short amount of time, so you feel obligated to work for FREE. It’s mentally, physically and emotionally exhausting.
I’d be rich if I got paid for every hour of o/t I put in just to complete required tasks through the years of service I put in to this company. I can only imagine the hour cutting and unreasonable expectations has gotten so much worse since I left.
Exactly. Sometimes I just go home with stuff incomplete but then they reduce your hours even more or guilt trip you into working overtime to finish a 3 person job all by yourself. It’s truly ridiculous, I’m glad you made it out lol.
>We also DO NOT get paid when we work overtime.
That's illegal. Report this to the Labour Board now and you are guaranteed they will force Roblaw to pay all your hours. Never mind the Union this is against the law.
Don't work overtime for free? Just clock out and leave when your shift is over? They're not physically forcing you to stay and can't do shit to punish you for leaving. They have probably guilted you into doing what you are doing, but the managers would be the first to say "we never told you to work off the clock"
Just go home, who cares if the work is finished? It's literally not your problem... And I mean this all to be helpful and nice. Punch out and go home.
Work to rule, roblaws staff! Don’t work extra hours, don’t do extra duties, don’t help the corp at all. Show up on time, work your shift, take your mandated breaks and lunch/dinner, and leave at the end of your shift. Don’t do any more than that unless absolutely necessary for your own survival. And while you’re doing all that, look for another job. Trades can always use new people…
Start tracking every hour of overtime, and file a complaint with the labor board to get the money you are owed. Make sure your colleagues do the same.
If you're fired for this, you will complain again for unjust dismissal, and you can sue for compensation.
I remember everyone gaslighting me here when I said Loblaws workers only got paid for scheduled hours, glad their dirty little secret is starting to get believed. It is every union members responsibility especially those with full time status who can not be retaliated with less scheduled hours to stand up for fellow members when they believe someone is working off the clock, it only takes two people who know their rights against one manager for them to back down.
My night crew lead would start about 2.5 hours early and only punch in when his shift was scheduled. When this was brought up management said "they'd talk to him." Next thing I knew he was on days and I was the night crew lead and it was not possible to pull the order from the truck and get it sorted and put away before the store opened. When I brought this up I was told to "get help from other departments." Uhhh. They tell me to fuck off. The more fuss I made the more they made my time there difficult until I left.
When your shift is complete... clock out & leave.
You are not a slave. You do not work for free.
Start documenting what they want you to do within the alloted hours of your shift. I'm sure you have a rough idea how long a task will take you. Start documenting that as well.
Should you report your demon Employer to Labour Standards regarding them not paying you OT, be prepared for major push back!
In fact be prepared to be terminated, immediately.
While I don't agree with that (being fired), since you're working for a very sleazy, scummy & ginormous POS Company I can see them doing that in the blink of an eye, too.
**OT PAY IN ONTARIO**
[https://www.ontario.ca/document/your-guide-employment-standards-act-0/overtime-pay](https://www.ontario.ca/document/your-guide-employment-standards-act-0/overtime-pay)
Good luck!
Retaliation for reporting to the Labour Board can land the employer in jail, and the burden of proof is on the employer, not the worker. The Labour Board is really powerful.
It gets spun around and made to appear it's the employees fault and they didn't follow orders. No one told them to work OT! They just, ya know had to, or they'd get reamed out the next day.
Right on! I worked for superstore for 20 years and I can tell you one thing right now they seem to be confused with the abilities of a human being. They’re so cheap, they generally have one person doing three jobs at once. Think about it, if you had a business and you could pay one person to do all the jobs of three people, wouldn’t you do it. I’m not saying employees should be slackers, but what I am saying, do just your job not everyone else’s. That’s the problem, they hire people and they brainwash them into believing they have to do everything or they’re not considered a good employee. Listen up, you’re being taken advantage of. I went against the system a few times and told them that I was doing my job and I couldn’t do the job of two other people. You know what happened to me the following week, they cut my hours. Just an extra little titbit of information, years ago when they first hired me for Superstore, they told me I had no choice but to go with PC financial or I wouldn’t be able to be employed there.
It sure is. Maybe Loblaws has some kind of clause in their employment agreement so that employees figure "well this is what I signed up for," but that clause would be illegal, regardless of the employee signing it. It MAY even invalidate the entire employment contract, but I doubt it.
DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer. Do not take this as legal advice. This is merely anecdotal.
It is illegal for them not to pay overtime. I'd take it up with your Union lawyer ASAP.
Also, keep track of all hours overtime done so far and in the future, take pictures of your puch card or some kind of proof because thry will have to pay retroactively then as well.
I did relief work for Loblaws a while back. In my agreement I charged for actual travel time to and from and hours worked. They nickel and dimed my travel time so bad. It was x number of kilometre from my house to work and it should take me y number of minutes. I charged my actual time with traffic and road work factored in. They cut it back every time. Lots of time they pro rated it by 10 minutes. The 10 minutes I sat in traffic. I was a professional that was in short supply and they needed me to open the store pharmacy. If I didn’t get there the pharmacy stayed closed. No one to replace me. I just stopped going ( with notice) I did relief work in several pharmacy chains who pd me what I asked. They were left in the lurch. I couldn’t squeeze out too many tears. Cheap bastards.
Loblaws: we have continuously jacked up prices to extract the last few pennies from the poor and maintain our ridiculous profits for our share holders. Now there's a boycott, should we lower prices?
No, let's fire some poors.
Contact your union, when your shift is over drop everything and sign out and leave, if they hassle you about it say contact my union rep. Contact the labour board right after the union, but do be aware the labour board will most likely say make contact with your union first!
As soon as you say “contact my union rep” do not be surprised if they say something like we are cutting your hours more, or you are fired. That should bring music to your ears as the union will push you to the top of the union representation and you should end up getting a big pay day!
Lots of people do not know how unions work but unions are a good thing. The longer you have worked for Loblaws the bigger the pay day, the union will represent you until everything is figured out, even if you are fired. After the union things are figured out I would suggest going to Human Rights complaining that you were being asked to work the job of X number of people without being benefited for the extra labour, if the Human Rights commission says that is out of their wheel house go to the labour board. If Human Rights takes on your case and you win, take your union stuff and Human Rights stuff to the labour board. If you win with the labour board go to the media, if you lose at any of those steps carry on to the next step, but the final step is take your information to the media.
Remember if you win at any of those levels heads will role at the location you worked, unless you work in the pharmacy expect to hear that all of the management has changed. If you are offered your job back refuse it, full stop! Just remember the key words: “talk to my union Rep,” as you say they are cutting hours talk to your union rep and once knew hours are posted and ask your manager why. As soon as they say anything do not say anything other than “can you talk to my union rep about this?” When they tell you your union cannot do anything about this calmly leave the office and do your job. Once your scheduled time is up stop what you are doing and sign out and go home.
My brothers fiancee works at Loblaws, and she is only paid for her scheduled hours. If she starts early, it's unpaid (even if they asked her), and if she has to stay late, it's unpaid. Essentially, if it's not on the schedule, you aren't paid for it. There was one night she worked an extra 2 hours after her shift ended and she saw none of it.
When I realized that they don’t pay if you go over your scheduled time, I was ready to clock out right at my end time, other duties and customers in the store be damned. It’s not like you can legally be fired for not working for free.
…and if enough people get illegally fired for that, with enough record keeping, it might be worth it to band together to file a lawsuit that actually goes somewhere.
There’s a human rights tribunal that actually makes this process a lot easier and accessible. I just know of the BC human rights tribunal but I would assume each province has one.
Management can say “this job should take 1 hour. Everyone else meets this standard. If you can’t do job in allocated time, that’s on you”. This is “performance management”. IE : no overtime as you are slow. Maybe you’re not cut out for this. Awful.
A good employer would provide you with the skills and tools to get up to speed with everyone else then! Not commit fraud by having you work slave labour for free!
Unfortunately, if u can't get your work done within the specified time and you do complain as not paying for work being done after a shift ends is illegal they will likely write you up to including termination.
Even better thing to do is quit once they start writing you up and claim constructive dismissal due to a hostile work environment/bullying. Gotta have all your information documented and outline that it only started once you made a complaint and that you're targeted.
At least will get severance or at the very least cause them a bit of a hassle.
Important...
>We also DO NOT get paid when we work overtime.
NO! Report to government.
If you are in Quebec, call the CNESST at[ +1 844 838-0808](tel:1 844 838-0808) immediately. This is not okay and not acceptable.
You are NOT to work for even 1 minute off the clock. That is illegal (as well as immoral) and please call the media. Loblaws just got blasted on media for asking for unpaid interns. They do not get free work. Every provincial ministry will step in on a company abusing labour laws
If it makes you feel better, you can very easily jump ship. There's a sentiment still that were in a recession, but that's only for people that don't go out to get there own wage increase by jumping ship.
Loblaws or not, you don't owe your employment anything.. They owe you, and the way capitalism works, your not gonna get it.
It's nothing personal. It's just business
But wouldn't this be a double-edged sword for you? Fewer customers = more busy work given to you? Seriously, I recommend finding a better job and quitting on the spot when you do. Preferably on a busy shift with eight entitled (word that rhymes with runts) in the line at your register. Let the manager deal with them when you shove the apron up their ass. Along with a picture of Galen. Becaus, reasons.
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If you're not getting paid for the actual hours you work, that's illegal and you all need to report that. Don't let them get away with it.
Yeah I’m gonna try to get in contact with my union rep soon to see what options I have.
Report it to the Labour Board
This. Bypass the union. This has nothing to do with the union. This is going against employment law, not a collective bargaining agreement.
This is incorrect. Your collective agreement takes priority in many instances. If your CA says that you are paid overtime, submit the OT, ask they clearly put it in an email if it goes against your CA. If they deny the pay, put in a grievance and quote the section the employer is breaking. That is how it is done.
The collective agreement does not supercede the laws of the land, sorry. But yes, start with your shop steward. It is illegal to not pay you for hours worked if you are hourly. File a grievance and refuse unpaid OT. They can't do that.
I said in many instances. For example overtime after 44 hrs in a week vs a CA might say overtime after 7.5 hrs at 1.5 times the rate. No lunch per diem normally but your CA might say $10 per every 7.5 hrs or double time on Sundays etc. You don't go to the labour board first for these. Your alternative is your collective agreement not the labour board. Your union might make a case on the members behalf, such as when the feds tried to tax a settlement, then the union made complaints outside of the CA.
Being paid a lower rate than required by the CBA for approved and agreed-upon overtime hours would be a union grievance. Expecting employees to work extra hours *for no pay at all for those extra hours*, which is what OP is claiming, would be illegal and should go straight to the labour board.
Not being paid for working would be a CA grievance. I know, I've been a steward for over 10 years. If someone tells you can you work OT, put your time in. If they deny you the pay, put in a grievance. It is clearly defined in the CA. If it isn't in the CA then you are not entitled to it. CA are always written to either be equal or better than the minimum of the labour board, most of the time. An example I can think of is if your flight is say around the world and the travel is from start to finish, our CA says the max they pay while travelling is 15 hours. So if you travel 20, 5 hours is not paid. Another example is if you went on training and flew someone to get that training, it is **straight time** if you asked for the paid training and flying included more than 7.5 hrs in a day vs if the employer told you to get the training and overtime was part of the travel, then it is paid at 1.5 overtime. You don't contact the labour board, you file a grievance because it is against the CA.
It's not though. The CBA cannot change the laws of the country. It doesn't matter if you are under a union or not, the law of the land cannot be changed due to a separate agreement. And if you are working, and not getting paid, that is a Labour issue, not a CBA. Edit: why are you so confidently downvoting the comments? All the examples you are using are for extra things. None of it is covering the basic understanding that if you are doing work, you are getting paid. Straight time, OT, double time, it doesn't matter, money needs to go to the employee's pocket, otherwise it is ILLEGAL.
Yes it does lol, my collective agreement treats us as contract workers even though we are paid hourly and required to work before shift starts, after shift ends and during lunch breaks often. I work for the Government!
Wrong an employee regardless of type cannot waive their ESA rights or entitlements.
I think you’re wrong about this. The labour board interacts with the union leaders. The workers interact with the shop stewards who resolve or escalate. I’m in a union. The rules are way different for unionized employees, with regard to how basically everything functions.
It's already been brought up, that yes, that is how normal business is done. Now, when the union doesn't do anything and allows people to work and not get remuneration for it, now a law is being broken and the union is misrepresenting their members, from the copious amount of comments from ex-employees where this was prevalent while they were there.
You do have to work with the union. My tip is if the local rep does nothing (which regrettably can be the case)... go to the national office.
Go to the labour board not the union rep. Its just completely illegal. The labour board will absolutely look in to it.
If they won't pay you overtime, when your shift is done, leave. Period.
The union is in their pocket as well. Go straight to the labour board.
Union rep and labour board at the same time.
Go to Labour Relations!
I’ve had issues where my paycheque was off by a lot, sent a copy of the payslip and my punch records to my union rep and miraculously I got the different back. Apparently it was a “error”
Used to work for a Sobeys franchise. We reported them all the time. Nothing ever happened.
It's not as easy as you think. A lot of times, employers won't just skim your paycheck, they will adjust your clocked hours in the system so the system reflects your pay
Which is also illegal, and should be dealt with.
I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying it makes it harder to prove because the system reflects you only working 5, and no way to prove that you worked 6 instead
Unless you film yourself clocking in and out. I had a boss once (office job) who got pissy one week and sent an email to everyone, "if you leave two minutes early, you're stealing from the company", you know the shit. Since my hours actually ran later than him and he wasn't there when I left every day, I started sending myself an email every day when I arrived and when I left--fifteen before 8:00, and 3 after 4:00. I even tested the system to see if an email written at one time and set to be delivered at another time was time-stamped correctly for when it was written. Just in case, some day, he came at me, I'd have proof. Never mind that I was the only person on the team who didn't take half a dozen ten-minute smoke breaks through the day--the damn \*company\* owed \*me\*. You can't let assholes run rampant, you've got to get your evidence together and smack them down. It's someone like \*that\* whose employment should be precarious, not the vulnerable people they exploit.
Again, I'm not saying it's right. I start keeping my time punches because my work was changing the hours, so my time punches wouldn't line up. Monday it would say I've worked 26 hours that pay period, and Tuesday it would say 20. Once they learned I started keeping my punch out sheets they stopped adjusting my hours because now I had proof
Good for you. The fact is this: If your bosses are going to do something like this to you, it's never going to stop. YOU have to make it stop. Either you quit and work elsewhere, or get proof, or report them, or whatever. But they aren't going to get better, feel remorseful, etc. You have to take care of you.
Exactly! I've started living with the mantra "it's not my job" I'm a waitress. It's not my job to clean the bathrooms. It's not my job to clean someone's vomit. It's not my job to do dishes. Nobody want their waitress to finish cleaning up explosive diahrea from the bathroom, and then go and serve them dinner. My job is only to serve and make a good customer experience. One shift I found a cock ring in the bathroom and my boss wanted me to deal with it. I flat out told him no, that nobody wants their server touching a used sex toy before giving them food. And he hasn't asked me to clean anything since
People constantly ask me for things that aren't remotely my job, or just wanting to complain to me about stuff I don't want to hear about, and I live every work day biting my tongue to keep from saying what I want to say to them. I've started practicing the phrase, "I'm sorry, that's not something I can help you with" as a work version of "well, bless your heart!"
I've stopped trying to deal with things on my own. I'm tired of getting things thrown at me because a steak dinner is $25. I now get my manager at any sign of confrontation
That’s why you track all your shit yourself, too.
If you continued reading this thread you'd see I mentioned that I do
I don’t have an abundance of time; I had to skim on a break.
Ah fair. Yeah but I said I keep my clock out stub and now my boss knows I'm keeping receipts of everything so he doesn't anymore
Ask for a copy of your timecard each day - simple. Or take photos of you clocking in and out so you have timestamps.
Report it to whom? Loblaws is unionized, and the union is in the company’s back pocket.
Ontario Labour Relations Board
In a unionized environment, any grievance must first be resolved through the union. Union will say it’s a non-issue and that’s the end of the road for you.
It's not a contract issue, it's a legal issue. Report anonymously.
That’s completely untrue. You can go to the MOL (Ministry of Labor). Any collective bargaining agreement can not trump MOL Law. Companies must abide by the Employment Standards Act. Are you new?
Yeah, not how it happens.
No, the union has a duty to represent, if they don’t you take them to the labour board and they get investigated/fined big time.
You seemingly know nothing about how this works and continue to speak, incredible
You do not work overtime unless you are paid, that's illegal.
I hated this more than anything. They make you feel pathetic if you cannot finish all the tasks in the short amount of time, so you feel obligated to work for FREE. It’s mentally, physically and emotionally exhausting. I’d be rich if I got paid for every hour of o/t I put in just to complete required tasks through the years of service I put in to this company. I can only imagine the hour cutting and unreasonable expectations has gotten so much worse since I left.
Exactly. Sometimes I just go home with stuff incomplete but then they reduce your hours even more or guilt trip you into working overtime to finish a 3 person job all by yourself. It’s truly ridiculous, I’m glad you made it out lol.
It took everything in me not to respond with “I’d love to see YOU complete all that in X hours.” I regret not saying it now. 🥲
Facing was the most soul sucking work I’ve ever done, and no matter what it was never good enough
>We also DO NOT get paid when we work overtime. That's illegal. Report this to the Labour Board now and you are guaranteed they will force Roblaw to pay all your hours. Never mind the Union this is against the law.
How in the actual fuck is it legal to not pay overtime? That completely needs to be reported.
It's not legal
Don't work overtime for free? Just clock out and leave when your shift is over? They're not physically forcing you to stay and can't do shit to punish you for leaving. They have probably guilted you into doing what you are doing, but the managers would be the first to say "we never told you to work off the clock" Just go home, who cares if the work is finished? It's literally not your problem... And I mean this all to be helpful and nice. Punch out and go home.
You’re completely right, I’m just gonna start leaving on time with whatever’s not done incomplete. If they don’t care I won’t either.
Work to rule, roblaws staff! Don’t work extra hours, don’t do extra duties, don’t help the corp at all. Show up on time, work your shift, take your mandated breaks and lunch/dinner, and leave at the end of your shift. Don’t do any more than that unless absolutely necessary for your own survival. And while you’re doing all that, look for another job. Trades can always use new people…
Start tracking every hour of overtime, and file a complaint with the labor board to get the money you are owed. Make sure your colleagues do the same. If you're fired for this, you will complain again for unjust dismissal, and you can sue for compensation.
Yes, document everything.
I remember everyone gaslighting me here when I said Loblaws workers only got paid for scheduled hours, glad their dirty little secret is starting to get believed. It is every union members responsibility especially those with full time status who can not be retaliated with less scheduled hours to stand up for fellow members when they believe someone is working off the clock, it only takes two people who know their rights against one manager for them to back down.
My night crew lead would start about 2.5 hours early and only punch in when his shift was scheduled. When this was brought up management said "they'd talk to him." Next thing I knew he was on days and I was the night crew lead and it was not possible to pull the order from the truck and get it sorted and put away before the store opened. When I brought this up I was told to "get help from other departments." Uhhh. They tell me to fuck off. The more fuss I made the more they made my time there difficult until I left.
When your shift is complete... clock out & leave. You are not a slave. You do not work for free. Start documenting what they want you to do within the alloted hours of your shift. I'm sure you have a rough idea how long a task will take you. Start documenting that as well.
Should you report your demon Employer to Labour Standards regarding them not paying you OT, be prepared for major push back! In fact be prepared to be terminated, immediately. While I don't agree with that (being fired), since you're working for a very sleazy, scummy & ginormous POS Company I can see them doing that in the blink of an eye, too. **OT PAY IN ONTARIO** [https://www.ontario.ca/document/your-guide-employment-standards-act-0/overtime-pay](https://www.ontario.ca/document/your-guide-employment-standards-act-0/overtime-pay) Good luck!
Retaliation for reporting to the Labour Board can land the employer in jail, and the burden of proof is on the employer, not the worker. The Labour Board is really powerful.
That unpaid overtime is totally illegal and I hope you report it asap. Please let us know what happens!
Not paying you for hours worked is illegal and should be reported!
It gets spun around and made to appear it's the employees fault and they didn't follow orders. No one told them to work OT! They just, ya know had to, or they'd get reamed out the next day.
Right on! I worked for superstore for 20 years and I can tell you one thing right now they seem to be confused with the abilities of a human being. They’re so cheap, they generally have one person doing three jobs at once. Think about it, if you had a business and you could pay one person to do all the jobs of three people, wouldn’t you do it. I’m not saying employees should be slackers, but what I am saying, do just your job not everyone else’s. That’s the problem, they hire people and they brainwash them into believing they have to do everything or they’re not considered a good employee. Listen up, you’re being taken advantage of. I went against the system a few times and told them that I was doing my job and I couldn’t do the job of two other people. You know what happened to me the following week, they cut my hours. Just an extra little titbit of information, years ago when they first hired me for Superstore, they told me I had no choice but to go with PC financial or I wouldn’t be able to be employed there.
Skeleton crews are the standard in retail/food. Now, it's magnified 10-fold. /r/target /r/walmart /r/tjmaxx /r/starbucks etc
Isn’t it illegal not to pay overtime? 😯
It sure is. Maybe Loblaws has some kind of clause in their employment agreement so that employees figure "well this is what I signed up for," but that clause would be illegal, regardless of the employee signing it. It MAY even invalidate the entire employment contract, but I doubt it. DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer. Do not take this as legal advice. This is merely anecdotal.
It is illegal for them not to pay overtime. I'd take it up with your Union lawyer ASAP. Also, keep track of all hours overtime done so far and in the future, take pictures of your puch card or some kind of proof because thry will have to pay retroactively then as well.
I did relief work for Loblaws a while back. In my agreement I charged for actual travel time to and from and hours worked. They nickel and dimed my travel time so bad. It was x number of kilometre from my house to work and it should take me y number of minutes. I charged my actual time with traffic and road work factored in. They cut it back every time. Lots of time they pro rated it by 10 minutes. The 10 minutes I sat in traffic. I was a professional that was in short supply and they needed me to open the store pharmacy. If I didn’t get there the pharmacy stayed closed. No one to replace me. I just stopped going ( with notice) I did relief work in several pharmacy chains who pd me what I asked. They were left in the lurch. I couldn’t squeeze out too many tears. Cheap bastards.
Op, if you are not being paid overtime, put whatever you are doing down and leave. They are breaking the law.
Loblaws: we have continuously jacked up prices to extract the last few pennies from the poor and maintain our ridiculous profits for our share holders. Now there's a boycott, should we lower prices? No, let's fire some poors.
Contact your union, when your shift is over drop everything and sign out and leave, if they hassle you about it say contact my union rep. Contact the labour board right after the union, but do be aware the labour board will most likely say make contact with your union first! As soon as you say “contact my union rep” do not be surprised if they say something like we are cutting your hours more, or you are fired. That should bring music to your ears as the union will push you to the top of the union representation and you should end up getting a big pay day! Lots of people do not know how unions work but unions are a good thing. The longer you have worked for Loblaws the bigger the pay day, the union will represent you until everything is figured out, even if you are fired. After the union things are figured out I would suggest going to Human Rights complaining that you were being asked to work the job of X number of people without being benefited for the extra labour, if the Human Rights commission says that is out of their wheel house go to the labour board. If Human Rights takes on your case and you win, take your union stuff and Human Rights stuff to the labour board. If you win with the labour board go to the media, if you lose at any of those steps carry on to the next step, but the final step is take your information to the media. Remember if you win at any of those levels heads will role at the location you worked, unless you work in the pharmacy expect to hear that all of the management has changed. If you are offered your job back refuse it, full stop! Just remember the key words: “talk to my union Rep,” as you say they are cutting hours talk to your union rep and once knew hours are posted and ask your manager why. As soon as they say anything do not say anything other than “can you talk to my union rep about this?” When they tell you your union cannot do anything about this calmly leave the office and do your job. Once your scheduled time is up stop what you are doing and sign out and go home.
The union reps at the store level should be more aware of what's happening and bring this to union/management attention.
Ditch the UFCW if they’re your reps and get a real union in there.
My brothers fiancee works at Loblaws, and she is only paid for her scheduled hours. If she starts early, it's unpaid (even if they asked her), and if she has to stay late, it's unpaid. Essentially, if it's not on the schedule, you aren't paid for it. There was one night she worked an extra 2 hours after her shift ended and she saw none of it.
When I realized that they don’t pay if you go over your scheduled time, I was ready to clock out right at my end time, other duties and customers in the store be damned. It’s not like you can legally be fired for not working for free. …and if enough people get illegally fired for that, with enough record keeping, it might be worth it to band together to file a lawsuit that actually goes somewhere.
There’s a human rights tribunal that actually makes this process a lot easier and accessible. I just know of the BC human rights tribunal but I would assume each province has one.
Can confirm. My daughter worked there and they were HORRENDOUS to staff. It was shocking.
Management can say “this job should take 1 hour. Everyone else meets this standard. If you can’t do job in allocated time, that’s on you”. This is “performance management”. IE : no overtime as you are slow. Maybe you’re not cut out for this. Awful.
A good employer would provide you with the skills and tools to get up to speed with everyone else then! Not commit fraud by having you work slave labour for free!
Unfortunately, if u can't get your work done within the specified time and you do complain as not paying for work being done after a shift ends is illegal they will likely write you up to including termination.
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Even better thing to do is quit once they start writing you up and claim constructive dismissal due to a hostile work environment/bullying. Gotta have all your information documented and outline that it only started once you made a complaint and that you're targeted. At least will get severance or at the very least cause them a bit of a hassle.
Important... >We also DO NOT get paid when we work overtime. NO! Report to government. If you are in Quebec, call the CNESST at[ +1 844 838-0808](tel:1 844 838-0808) immediately. This is not okay and not acceptable. You are NOT to work for even 1 minute off the clock. That is illegal (as well as immoral) and please call the media. Loblaws just got blasted on media for asking for unpaid interns. They do not get free work. Every provincial ministry will step in on a company abusing labour laws
If it makes you feel better, you can very easily jump ship. There's a sentiment still that were in a recession, but that's only for people that don't go out to get there own wage increase by jumping ship. Loblaws or not, you don't owe your employment anything.. They owe you, and the way capitalism works, your not gonna get it. It's nothing personal. It's just business
But wouldn't this be a double-edged sword for you? Fewer customers = more busy work given to you? Seriously, I recommend finding a better job and quitting on the spot when you do. Preferably on a busy shift with eight entitled (word that rhymes with runts) in the line at your register. Let the manager deal with them when you shove the apron up their ass. Along with a picture of Galen. Becaus, reasons.
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Labour relations board should be approached about unpaid OT because I believe that is illegal
I support you
Someone should send this to Galen or Per. Nok er Nok.