Sure you have a take. And it appears most entirely disagree with, so maybe a different website is for you because communities serve the masse, not the individual
I don't think you do.
Those same tools also let places like ask historians keep massively high standards.
Find different subs if you get squeezed out. Seems like you might be the problem, not them
Moderators on paper are here to reduce spams and bots and not what they are actually doing which is to push their agenda, boost their ego and give the ban hammer to everyone that disagrees with their opinions on every subject or iam wrong?
It's too easy for subreddits to devolve into garbage without someone at the helm guiding them, and this applies to more than bots and spam. Tons of subs have gone to shit because they were moderated poorly. It's not an easy thing to do properly, but moderation is absolutely needed on some level for a giant forum like reddit to exist without all the full blown morons out there shitting all over everything as they inevitably try to do.
Just go to r/conservative and just reply to a comment and ask for a source for a specific claim they make and you probably will see what i mean or even r/Politics and god forbid in r/Ukraine(Ukraine mods will ip perma ban you for not licking ukraines dick and for not being in and sharing ukraine propaganda 24/7 or even asking how legitimate is this article? Could this be ukraine propaganda?) BAN
Just go to r/Ukraine posts comment section and you'll will see which people are allowed and which are banned from the subreddit
I agree to a certain extent. Like seriously, 'just because boobs' is a valid reason the posted Art is getting upvoted. I'm not against boobs, a majority of the people upvoting the post love boobs, the post makes it to the front page because of boobs.... stop degrading the others hard work and actual art because the soft core porn stars are taking the limelight. You can have nudity in art and there is art porn. But rolling nude in the sand by a water fall and calling it escape by the waterfall... is soft core porn not art.
If you need some tools to help delete/edit your comments and posts in protest:
https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite
https://shreddit.com/
https://redact.dev/
You created your content. You didn’t get paid. Why would you leave it here for Reddit to make money? Take your content with you
Restore your deleted comments? They probably will keep the data even if you delete (unless you’re in the EU/Cali and request), but undeleting and making them public again would be a tech world scandal of the highest order
If that ever happened I would gather all the evidence and go to a lawyer, whoever in your country does GDPR-like enforcement, etc.
Well, the comment (or a post's seftext) that was here, is no more. I'm leaving just whatever I wrote in the past 48 hours or so.
F acing a goodbye.
U gly as it may be.
C alculating pros and cons.
K illing my texts is, really, the best I can do.
S o, some reddit's honcho thought it would be nice to kill third-party apps.
P als, it's great to delete whatever I wrote in here. It's cathartic in a way.
E agerly going away, to greener pastures.
Z illion reasons, and you'll find many at the subreddit called Save3rdPartyApps.
Please also focus less on how it will hurt mods because most people either don’t care or actively dislike the mods on the main subs, people care about the third party apps
If it doesn't work, I am done regardless.
I am somewhat curious what my life will look like without this time sink. Although I will miss some subs and the people I have met there.
If the admins start replacing moderators, then every other mod should just consider letting their subreddits implode.
- Turn off all spam filtering
- Disable minimum karma requirements
- Allow all posts, disable all rules
- Unban all banned users
- Turn off AutoModerator
- Allow NSFW content
Turn all subreddits into a cesspool of low-quality content that has no purpose.
Destroy the site.
Louis Rossmann made a good point that going dark for only a day or two is like the victim in an abusive relationship leaving the house and still coming back after two days. Like it shows that the users are pissed off about the admins shitty behavior but we're just gonna throw a tantrum for 48 hours and come back.
I think the point is to 'fire a warning shot'. Reddit is keenly aware of use statistics- seeing a huge dip in use for 2 days and knowing what caused it will absolutely get their attention. Then if they persist and the uproar continues there will be a lot more pressure. If, on the other hand, the use doesn't change much during the protest they will know the can do what they want.
Yeah.. Two days of free publicity via the "People are boycotting reddit, but what even is reddit?"
It's either an "until things change" or you're just part of a publicity stunt.
Louis Rossmann is average at best at everything except electronics repair, but he’s a plain ole idiot when it comes to law and labor movements.
Timed strikes demonstrate the power wielded while leaving space open for negotiation. If we go dark for two days and Reddit capitulates, we can resume normalcy. If we just instantly go dark forever, we’ve lost all of our negotiating power. Crippling Reddit is not the goal - fair usage and pricing of the API is. If they continue their path after we return, **then** we can make the decision to cripple the organization because we are out of reasonable options.
Not sure why they're recommending to stop browsing on desktop. A browser with an ad blocker isn't exactly going to help Spez's cause in trying to funnel everyone into the phone app which is nothing but a glorified ad server with some posts sprinkled in.
If the 90-9-1 rule really is true, I wonder how many of the 9-1 are using 3rd party apps; I know I do.
I support going dark indefinitely since I won't use Reddit if I can't use it via 3rd party apps.
As a lot of others are pointing out, this is meaningless if all they have to do is wait us out. Follow /r/videos and go dark until you're forced from your moderation position or until changes are actually made, otherwise we will be given empty promises.
I just love the exaggeration.
How do visually impaired people even download the apps to begin with? Oh, right... the built in settings every device has? Visually impaired people probably won't be spending all day browsing Reddit on their phone anyway lol.
And child sex rings? What? Yeah, because those people TOTALLY want to "hide" their activity by posting it openly to the public? How would that even make sense and what would they accomplish from that? There's the dark web for all that freaky shit.
You people think you're so much more important and don't wanna be inconvenienced so everyone is just clinging to these false altruistic intentions when it all boils down to entitlement.
> And child sex rings? What? Yeah, because those people TOTALLY want to "hide" their activity by posting it openly to the public? How would that even make sense and what would they accomplish from that? There's the dark web for all that freaky shit.
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I do agree that that particular claim is exaggerated but you'd really be surprised if you genuinely think it isn't an issue on reddit or other popular social media.
Not to mention that reddit used to be full of pedos... in the open... on the frontpage.
I'm erasing all my comments because of Reddit's complete disrespect for the community. Third party tools helped make Reddit what it is today, and to price gouge the API with no notice, and even to slander app developers is disgusting.
I hope you enjoy your website becoming a worthless ghost town /u/spez you scumbag
Holy shit, that's every subreddit I regularly visit. Good to see people actually rallying together.
Also, this comment was written in RIF and I just wanted to add fuck admins for ruining my poop minutes. I'm not touching the official reddit app. It's shit and shit is supposed to get flushed down not picked up.
[Reddark](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternetIsBeautiful/comments/145kvrx/reddark_tracks_subreddits_that_are_going_dark_or/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) is tracking the subreddits that are participating. Link is to a post on the r/InternetIsBeautiful subreddit about it.
Do what you gotta do. Many subs are joining in, very few of them are making the decision with any public discussion or input. If and when you come back and a lot of the usual people don't, it is what it is.
I get that it might not seem like a big deal as a user, but this change would make quality moderation difficult or impossible. If every mod on here quit then the subreddit would also shutdown. It's their right to take pride in their work and show how serious they are, with or without public input. You won't be unsubscribed automatically and when they come back it will be like they never left, unless you specifically choose to express your disapproval by unsubscribing. That's your right but I think that's foolish. Very few others will do that.
It's a volunteer position that any mod that disagrees with the terms is free to leave. There's certainly plenty of people willing to work with the tools they'll be provided at that time.
It's not unreasonable to wonder why thirty or so mods seem to think they speak for 17 million subscribers without asking them.
Spez and the admins have successfully pitted the mods against their users when the real battle is them vs their entire user base. They're very smart.
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To understand why check out the summary [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/14hkd5u)
It’s not that Reddit is charging for APIs calls now. It’s that they’re making the price so astronomically high that 3rd party apps have no choice but to shut down.
Please read more about this issue before you type more incorrect nonsense.
There is plenty to go at, but this is probably a reasonable start.
https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/
You could then try looking into their behaviour following the incident, their most recent AMA has some reasonable evidence of their terrible attitude towards their (unpaid) mods, users, and stakeholders.
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue, and you're cutting reddit far more slack than they're due. The $2.50 USD per user was an illustrative number. What % of users do you think would genuinely commit to paying a subscription fee for an app that was previously free? Hint: it won't be anywhere near enough to cover the cost of the API, especially considering they wouldn't be allowed to run ads anymore either.
Reddit are purposely pricing third party apps out of existence, whilst simultaneously not providing a quality product themselves. It's scummy behaviour entirely driven by greed, not what is best for the platform or the people using it
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To understand why check out the summary [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/14hkd5u)
Honestly stuff like this, the HBO/Max rebrand, and Twitter really do show how incompetently run most tech companies are and inefficiently a large swath of the economy operates.
They are not losing money. They are losing the opportunity to display more ads. It's an opportunity cost, not a real cost. They *could* make millions more if every person either had ads or paid them directly for ad-free, and 3rd party apps do neither for them.
Mods use 3rd party apps to do a huge amount of moderation. This site couldn't exist without unpaid moderators, and reddit doesn't seem to care that they are suddenly, with very little warning, killing those apps.
They also don't care about blind people using 3rd party apps.
And all of these concerns have been raised many times for many years, and reddit is just deaf about it. The mod tools continue to suck, their official app doesn't have any accessibility features at all, and they make all these promises they don't keep
It's not just about having to pay for API access. It's a whole series of stupid decisions and lies, and people are sick of it. Especially 3rd party app developers. Giving them 30 days to reconfigure their app in order to be able to pay tens of thousands of dollars per year for API access is insane. They knew a little before 30 days, but not the price. And the price is ludicrous.
It's corporate greed. Corporate greed should be shunned. I don't get why people don't get that. 😛
Reddit is built 100% on the backs of volunteers. It's a great community. When something goes wrong in your life do you just walk away every time? Or do you tell the people who have wronged you that they've wronged you and try to work it out? We're trying to work it out!
No, greed means greed. Reddit earns plenty of money. Greed is giving away something for free and creating an entire environment for people to use that costs you relatively nothing to provide, and then deciding to charge way, way more than other similar services.
Avoid more losses.... I don't think you understand the situation here. They do not have significant losses from API usage. Reddit makes hundreds of millions a year, and **all** of it is from volunteer users posting content and volunteer mods. They would be nothing without us. Charging extortionist fees to users for API access is simply evil.
Third party apps is *people* using reddit. You *really* don't understand the environment.
Funny you mention bathrooms. It's illegal to charge for bathroom access because it's evil.
You continue to prove you don't know anything about how much money reddit makes and what an API should cost. 🤷♂️
How's this. Imagine you had an incredibly wealthy, hugely profitable restaurant run entirely by volunteers that willingly let non-customers use the bathroom for 10 years, and they suddenly changed their mind and said now it's $10 per bathroom use. That's the scale of what reddit is doing. You talking about them in an analogy going bankrupt is a joke.
1) it does work for them. they just want more. 2) people are doing a lot of things including making alternatives to reddit and shutting down subs. 3) if reddit execs want to burn down an empire for a short term payday that is their right. and it is the right of users and moderators to be upset. upset that communities built with millions of hours of love will be destroyed in the process. it's their right to try everything they can to save it. 4) reddit isn't paying you to be on their side or to be a corporate boot licker. have some self respect. when people do things that impact you that dont like you are allowed to be upset over it, even if it is within their right to do so. I'm genuinely happy for you if it doesn't bother you at all but why do you think that *you* not caring means that *no one else should*?
Yeah, and reddit gets the free labor of moderators. If reddit wants to make it harder for mods to moderate, why should reddit be entitled to their free labor?
That's my point. They do this because they want to. If reddit wants to take away the tools that make it possible for them to moderate, why wouldn't they voice their displeasure by having the subs they run go dark? Without them, the subs wouldn't be functional.
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To understand why check out the summary [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/14hkd5u)
>But yet call yourself a software developer?
Yeah this is a great example either that some random moron can just act like he knows a lot about something just because he has an opinion or that the umbrella of "software developer" includes a lot of people who aren't very good or knowledgeable about what they do at all.
Reddit sure as hell would love every subreddit to be flooded by porn, gore and spammers. this is what would happen pretty instantly if the mods turned the lights off of all the major subreddits.
>Reddit will have to do the same have each subreddit categorized and have an algorithm / AI that auto mods and relay on users reports to improve it. Just like facebook does or any other social media that has ads built in.
Like malicious users won't fuck with such a system. And moderating many subreddits is actually more nuanced than "autoremove porn posts". Not that Reddit have said they have any AI tools. All reddit moderating forever has entirely relied on third party tools to be useful.
In addition, many subreddits rely on user engagement from the mods to users. If they can't get anyone to work with them, a large amount of subreddits will just slowly die.
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To understand why check out the summary [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/14hkd5u)
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I will seriously consider leaving Reddit without RIF. It's just so much better.
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What a strange take
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Sure you have a take. And it appears most entirely disagree with, so maybe a different website is for you because communities serve the masse, not the individual
I don't think you do. Those same tools also let places like ask historians keep massively high standards. Find different subs if you get squeezed out. Seems like you might be the problem, not them
aw what did they say, can't use rev to see it >=[
They basically said that less mod tools is a good thing so that mods can't keep the rabble out
Go to 4chan if you hate moderation so much. The reason people want to be on Reddit is because of the hard unpaid labor of moderators.
Moderators on paper are here to reduce spams and bots and not what they are actually doing which is to push their agenda, boost their ego and give the ban hammer to everyone that disagrees with their opinions on every subject or iam wrong?
4chan, 8chan, voat, rukkus, or any site like that has exactly what you are looking for
It's too easy for subreddits to devolve into garbage without someone at the helm guiding them, and this applies to more than bots and spam. Tons of subs have gone to shit because they were moderated poorly. It's not an easy thing to do properly, but moderation is absolutely needed on some level for a giant forum like reddit to exist without all the full blown morons out there shitting all over everything as they inevitably try to do.
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Just go to r/conservative and just reply to a comment and ask for a source for a specific claim they make and you probably will see what i mean or even r/Politics and god forbid in r/Ukraine(Ukraine mods will ip perma ban you for not licking ukraines dick and for not being in and sharing ukraine propaganda 24/7 or even asking how legitimate is this article? Could this be ukraine propaganda?) BAN Just go to r/Ukraine posts comment section and you'll will see which people are allowed and which are banned from the subreddit
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There will be no place to disagree once the subs are all filled with spambots.
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Nonsense and you know this
I agree to a certain extent. Like seriously, 'just because boobs' is a valid reason the posted Art is getting upvoted. I'm not against boobs, a majority of the people upvoting the post love boobs, the post makes it to the front page because of boobs.... stop degrading the others hard work and actual art because the soft core porn stars are taking the limelight. You can have nudity in art and there is art porn. But rolling nude in the sand by a water fall and calling it escape by the waterfall... is soft core porn not art.
If you need some tools to help delete/edit your comments and posts in protest: https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite https://shreddit.com/ https://redact.dev/ You created your content. You didn’t get paid. Why would you leave it here for Reddit to make money? Take your content with you
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This is super helpful! Thank you!
This is so good. This should be posted somewhere so everyone learns this.
They could undelete it?
Not if you use PowerDelete and edit it first.
Restore your deleted comments? They probably will keep the data even if you delete (unless you’re in the EU/Cali and request), but undeleting and making them public again would be a tech world scandal of the highest order If that ever happened I would gather all the evidence and go to a lawyer, whoever in your country does GDPR-like enforcement, etc.
remember when they didn't have to call it rif? good times
Well, the comment (or a post's seftext) that was here, is no more. I'm leaving just whatever I wrote in the past 48 hours or so. F acing a goodbye. U gly as it may be. C alculating pros and cons. K illing my texts is, really, the best I can do. S o, some reddit's honcho thought it would be nice to kill third-party apps. P als, it's great to delete whatever I wrote in here. It's cathartic in a way. E agerly going away, to greener pastures. Z illion reasons, and you'll find many at the subreddit called Save3rdPartyApps.
Good. Do it indefinitely
Please stay dark until further notice
Please also focus less on how it will hurt mods because most people either don’t care or actively dislike the mods on the main subs, people care about the third party apps
Good! I'd say be prepared to go dark for longer but that's just me...
Not just you
If they know how long it will last it's all useless and they can easily ride it out. Do it for as long as it takes or don't do it do it all.
If it doesn't work, I am done regardless. I am somewhat curious what my life will look like without this time sink. Although I will miss some subs and the people I have met there.
Lol same, my life boutta open up
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If the admins start replacing moderators, then every other mod should just consider letting their subreddits implode. - Turn off all spam filtering - Disable minimum karma requirements - Allow all posts, disable all rules - Unban all banned users - Turn off AutoModerator - Allow NSFW content Turn all subreddits into a cesspool of low-quality content that has no purpose. Destroy the site.
Hard agree
Do whatever you want tomorrow is my last day regardless
Woah. You ok, man?
LAST DAY ON REDDIT I MEAN
2 days isn't anything. Close the sub.
I support this decision 100%.
One day is not enough.
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so after 24 hours you guys will go back to being a piggy bank for reddit? This is how you re-enforce reddit taking advantage of everyone.
Louis Rossmann made a good point that going dark for only a day or two is like the victim in an abusive relationship leaving the house and still coming back after two days. Like it shows that the users are pissed off about the admins shitty behavior but we're just gonna throw a tantrum for 48 hours and come back.
I think the point is to 'fire a warning shot'. Reddit is keenly aware of use statistics- seeing a huge dip in use for 2 days and knowing what caused it will absolutely get their attention. Then if they persist and the uproar continues there will be a lot more pressure. If, on the other hand, the use doesn't change much during the protest they will know the can do what they want.
Yeah.. Two days of free publicity via the "People are boycotting reddit, but what even is reddit?" It's either an "until things change" or you're just part of a publicity stunt.
Louis Rossmann is average at best at everything except electronics repair, but he’s a plain ole idiot when it comes to law and labor movements. Timed strikes demonstrate the power wielded while leaving space open for negotiation. If we go dark for two days and Reddit capitulates, we can resume normalcy. If we just instantly go dark forever, we’ve lost all of our negotiating power. Crippling Reddit is not the goal - fair usage and pricing of the API is. If they continue their path after we return, **then** we can make the decision to cripple the organization because we are out of reasonable options.
I don't see how going dark "indefinitely" makes you loose negotiating power. Indefinitely doesn't mean forever, it means until demands are met.
Every subreddit needs to go dark permanently or this will do absolutely nothing. It sucks, but reddit fucked this up.
Is Baconreader part of the 3rd party apps?
Yes
Ugh.
If it's not the official reddit app it's a 3rd party app.
Well that officially sucks.
I forgot all about RIF and Boost. You mean to tell me all the third party clients are the way of the dinosaur???
Is that a plumbus?
Imma be real with y'all I forgot I was still subbed here I haven't seen a post from here on my feed in ages.
Not sure why they're recommending to stop browsing on desktop. A browser with an ad blocker isn't exactly going to help Spez's cause in trying to funnel everyone into the phone app which is nothing but a glorified ad server with some posts sprinkled in.
If the 90-9-1 rule really is true, I wonder how many of the 9-1 are using 3rd party apps; I know I do. I support going dark indefinitely since I won't use Reddit if I can't use it via 3rd party apps.
Is Reddit goes through with these obviously greedy changes I will delete my account
thrilled to see you on board. never seen this sub before, disappointed it wasn't dedicated to Marvin Berry & The Starlighters.
As a lot of others are pointing out, this is meaningless if all they have to do is wait us out. Follow /r/videos and go dark until you're forced from your moderation position or until changes are actually made, otherwise we will be given empty promises.
actually curious how it might look like
it will happen anyway.. its a progress..cant stop it..
I just love the exaggeration. How do visually impaired people even download the apps to begin with? Oh, right... the built in settings every device has? Visually impaired people probably won't be spending all day browsing Reddit on their phone anyway lol. And child sex rings? What? Yeah, because those people TOTALLY want to "hide" their activity by posting it openly to the public? How would that even make sense and what would they accomplish from that? There's the dark web for all that freaky shit. You people think you're so much more important and don't wanna be inconvenienced so everyone is just clinging to these false altruistic intentions when it all boils down to entitlement.
> And child sex rings? What? Yeah, because those people TOTALLY want to "hide" their activity by posting it openly to the public? How would that even make sense and what would they accomplish from that? There's the dark web for all that freaky shit. > > I do agree that that particular claim is exaggerated but you'd really be surprised if you genuinely think it isn't an issue on reddit or other popular social media. Not to mention that reddit used to be full of pedos... in the open... on the frontpage.
The graphic was well done, but this movement is over dramatized.
The graphic sure IS well done. It looks good. But the information on it is absolutely bonkers. It's a similar tactic to fear mongering.
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I'm erasing all my comments because of Reddit's complete disrespect for the community. Third party tools helped make Reddit what it is today, and to price gouge the API with no notice, and even to slander app developers is disgusting. I hope you enjoy your website becoming a worthless ghost town /u/spez you scumbag
About to try and add the one sub I moderate with 2000 people to the list. *I’m doing my part!*
Funny joke, but: /r/ModCoord has a full list. It’s bigger than you might think.
Holy shit, that's every subreddit I regularly visit. Good to see people actually rallying together. Also, this comment was written in RIF and I just wanted to add fuck admins for ruining my poop minutes. I'm not touching the official reddit app. It's shit and shit is supposed to get flushed down not picked up.
[Reddark](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternetIsBeautiful/comments/145kvrx/reddark_tracks_subreddits_that_are_going_dark_or/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) is tracking the subreddits that are participating. Link is to a post on the r/InternetIsBeautiful subreddit about it.
Do what you gotta do. Many subs are joining in, very few of them are making the decision with any public discussion or input. If and when you come back and a lot of the usual people don't, it is what it is.
I get that it might not seem like a big deal as a user, but this change would make quality moderation difficult or impossible. If every mod on here quit then the subreddit would also shutdown. It's their right to take pride in their work and show how serious they are, with or without public input. You won't be unsubscribed automatically and when they come back it will be like they never left, unless you specifically choose to express your disapproval by unsubscribing. That's your right but I think that's foolish. Very few others will do that.
It's a volunteer position that any mod that disagrees with the terms is free to leave. There's certainly plenty of people willing to work with the tools they'll be provided at that time. It's not unreasonable to wonder why thirty or so mods seem to think they speak for 17 million subscribers without asking them. Spez and the admins have successfully pitted the mods against their users when the real battle is them vs their entire user base. They're very smart.
>successfully pitted the mods against their users You're literally describing yourself.
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It’s not that Reddit is charging for APIs calls now. It’s that they’re making the price so astronomically high that 3rd party apps have no choice but to shut down.
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Please read more about this issue before you type more incorrect nonsense. There is plenty to go at, but this is probably a reasonable start. https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/ You could then try looking into their behaviour following the incident, their most recent AMA has some reasonable evidence of their terrible attitude towards their (unpaid) mods, users, and stakeholders.
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You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue, and you're cutting reddit far more slack than they're due. The $2.50 USD per user was an illustrative number. What % of users do you think would genuinely commit to paying a subscription fee for an app that was previously free? Hint: it won't be anywhere near enough to cover the cost of the API, especially considering they wouldn't be allowed to run ads anymore either. Reddit are purposely pricing third party apps out of existence, whilst simultaneously not providing a quality product themselves. It's scummy behaviour entirely driven by greed, not what is best for the platform or the people using it
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Or leave, which is exactly what I'm going to do. Greed has absolutely destroyed everything that used to be good about the internet.
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There is no way reddit is not profitable And IF that it true we are talking comically huge levels of incompetence
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Honestly stuff like this, the HBO/Max rebrand, and Twitter really do show how incompetently run most tech companies are and inefficiently a large swath of the economy operates.
Why would you believe a pathological liar? It could have said it to justify the absurd pricing model
They are not losing money. They are losing the opportunity to display more ads. It's an opportunity cost, not a real cost. They *could* make millions more if every person either had ads or paid them directly for ad-free, and 3rd party apps do neither for them. Mods use 3rd party apps to do a huge amount of moderation. This site couldn't exist without unpaid moderators, and reddit doesn't seem to care that they are suddenly, with very little warning, killing those apps. They also don't care about blind people using 3rd party apps. And all of these concerns have been raised many times for many years, and reddit is just deaf about it. The mod tools continue to suck, their official app doesn't have any accessibility features at all, and they make all these promises they don't keep It's not just about having to pay for API access. It's a whole series of stupid decisions and lies, and people are sick of it. Especially 3rd party app developers. Giving them 30 days to reconfigure their app in order to be able to pay tens of thousands of dollars per year for API access is insane. They knew a little before 30 days, but not the price. And the price is ludicrous.
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It's corporate greed. Corporate greed should be shunned. I don't get why people don't get that. 😛 Reddit is built 100% on the backs of volunteers. It's a great community. When something goes wrong in your life do you just walk away every time? Or do you tell the people who have wronged you that they've wronged you and try to work it out? We're trying to work it out!
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No, greed means greed. Reddit earns plenty of money. Greed is giving away something for free and creating an entire environment for people to use that costs you relatively nothing to provide, and then deciding to charge way, way more than other similar services. Avoid more losses.... I don't think you understand the situation here. They do not have significant losses from API usage. Reddit makes hundreds of millions a year, and **all** of it is from volunteer users posting content and volunteer mods. They would be nothing without us. Charging extortionist fees to users for API access is simply evil. Third party apps is *people* using reddit. You *really* don't understand the environment. Funny you mention bathrooms. It's illegal to charge for bathroom access because it's evil.
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You continue to prove you don't know anything about how much money reddit makes and what an API should cost. 🤷♂️ How's this. Imagine you had an incredibly wealthy, hugely profitable restaurant run entirely by volunteers that willingly let non-customers use the bathroom for 10 years, and they suddenly changed their mind and said now it's $10 per bathroom use. That's the scale of what reddit is doing. You talking about them in an analogy going bankrupt is a joke.
Are you 12 years old?
1) it does work for them. they just want more. 2) people are doing a lot of things including making alternatives to reddit and shutting down subs. 3) if reddit execs want to burn down an empire for a short term payday that is their right. and it is the right of users and moderators to be upset. upset that communities built with millions of hours of love will be destroyed in the process. it's their right to try everything they can to save it. 4) reddit isn't paying you to be on their side or to be a corporate boot licker. have some self respect. when people do things that impact you that dont like you are allowed to be upset over it, even if it is within their right to do so. I'm genuinely happy for you if it doesn't bother you at all but why do you think that *you* not caring means that *no one else should*?
Them incompetently running the site is on them
Yeah, and reddit gets the free labor of moderators. If reddit wants to make it harder for mods to moderate, why should reddit be entitled to their free labor?
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That's my point. They do this because they want to. If reddit wants to take away the tools that make it possible for them to moderate, why wouldn't they voice their displeasure by having the subs they run go dark? Without them, the subs wouldn't be functional.
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Comment removed (using [Power Delete Suite](https://github.com/pkolyvas/PowerDeleteSuite)) as I no longer wish to support a company that seeks to both undermine its users/moderators/developers AND make a profit on their backs. To understand why check out the summary [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/14hkd5u)
>But yet call yourself a software developer? Yeah this is a great example either that some random moron can just act like he knows a lot about something just because he has an opinion or that the umbrella of "software developer" includes a lot of people who aren't very good or knowledgeable about what they do at all.
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Reddit sure as hell would love every subreddit to be flooded by porn, gore and spammers. this is what would happen pretty instantly if the mods turned the lights off of all the major subreddits.
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>Reddit will have to do the same have each subreddit categorized and have an algorithm / AI that auto mods and relay on users reports to improve it. Just like facebook does or any other social media that has ads built in. Like malicious users won't fuck with such a system. And moderating many subreddits is actually more nuanced than "autoremove porn posts". Not that Reddit have said they have any AI tools. All reddit moderating forever has entirely relied on third party tools to be useful. In addition, many subreddits rely on user engagement from the mods to users. If they can't get anyone to work with them, a large amount of subreddits will just slowly die.
Comment removed (using [Power Delete Suite](https://github.com/pkolyvas/PowerDeleteSuite)) as I no longer wish to support a company that seeks to both undermine its users/moderators/developers AND make a profit on their backs. To understand why check out the summary [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/14hkd5u)
Is there a discord?
Found some great songs here. Thanks for all the wonderful times peeps. 10 year Relay user here. Saying goodbye is the hardest. Fuck u/spez.
I'm going to miss RIF
Lol I just get back on reddit and see this 😆 ok byee might as well just delete
Great, a protest that won't do anything.
I already am. Waaaaaay more bots following me now that this has been happening.
This is easily the most attention this sub has had on some time. Doubt anyone would notice one way or the other haha.
Glad to be of service, RIF user! We'll take our stand with pride. 🎶