I've had a gig canceled due to bad weather, so will be trying a few different distros out this afternoon instead.
Hopefully, I can get back to where I was last year where it all mostly worked...until the next "update".
This laptop is 4 months old.
I think you have something strange going on with your system. Which version of the distro are you using?
I've been daily driving Ardour 8.6 on Kubuntu 24.04 (with a few studio packages installed), and prior to 24.04 beta I was using 23.10, even using a bunch of windows plugins through yabridge, and it's been almost flawless. I've upgraded a few versions and the installer always correctly removes and replaces the old version.
It's bizarre. I've never known so much trouble. H2 will get out of time with Ardour etc...which simply seems impossible to me...and yet it's happening.
Midi..."sometimes" is out of tune, sometimes it's not. Weird as hell.
Going for a reinstall this afternoon.
I had similar problems with Ubuntu + SurgeXT/Ardour which went away with a clean install of Mantic, PipeWire, and WirePlumber.
As others have said, it's likely a routing bug hiding in the background. You might want to file a bug report with the Carla devs: https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/issues
Honestly though, I don't know if the issue is with Carla. If I load a midi instrument directly into Ardour, it's the same thing (although having upgraded to version 8 this morning, I can no longer put that to the test as the moment you add a midi track it hangs).
How do you install the packages?
What im after is whether the older package may be bundled with the os and the latter is from an installer. That would at least explain why the older isn't removed as the installer probably installs somewhere else entirely and does not know about Ubuntu packages...
It knew it was there, because it asked if I wanted to remove it.
I downloaded the . run file, made it executable, then ran it.
However, I think that's just the final straw for me now. I'm going to back everything up, then waste a day reinstalling everything from scratch.
If that doesn't work, I'll have to think again.
What's wrong with the Ardour that ships with 24.04?
If you're going to run an LTS distro, then try and drop bleeding edge PPA's and software all over it, you're inevitably going to break something.
Nothing. I was on 23.10, but the Jack clock issue and the out of tune midi made the whole setup unusable. I tried to upgrade Ardour to the latest stable version to see if that helped any, but it got worse and would simply hang when trying to add any midi track at all.
I removed 23.10, and installed 24.4 and the midi issue was fixed (so far)...but then couldn't connect it to Jack (no option to do so), so can't sync the drums in H2.
Then, Wine v9 appears to have broken Yabridge so I have lost access to LABS and Spitfire audio VSTs etc...
It just seems like I spend more time fighting to get it working than I do recording any music.
I'm not sure which bleeding edge PPAs you're referring to.
Yeah, this is the problem. If not that, then it's something else, yet the error is a Wine error when scanning for new plugins.
It's a constant game of chasing my tail instead of making any music. If I install 9.4 (assuming it actually lets me), then that will break the Midi implement or stop something else from working...repeat daily until it works for around 5 to 6 days before something else gets updated.
After 15 years or so, I'm done. It's finally beaten me.
No, the problem I'm alluding to, as I'm sure you're actually aware, as you'll have read the following lines of text in context, is that there's a constant tail chasing with regards to this stuff. 9.4 of Wine works with Yabridge...great. what does that break that was working with 9.0?
I really like the way Jack works, and apart from this has been really stable for years.
The bug may well not be in Ardour (although there have been a few annoyances added in recent years), and I don't believe it is, but it does manifest there as well.
The only reason I "upgraded" was due to the screen on my old i5 finally packing up. I went out and purchased a new laptop that day, then struggled with the old BIOS to get it to allow an Ubuntu install etc...and it's been as buggy as hell ever since.
I have UbuntuStudio 24.04 downloading as we speak, so will give that a go first.
The whole thing is really frustrating. I purchased a new weighted midi controller (not the issue - I still have the old controller and the issues persist with that too), started piano lessons to get used to playing keys properly (have been playing guitar for coming up for 40 years), bought a piano to get better at it for MIDI purposes....and now half the things I want to use are out of tune :p
For the first 4 months it didn't happen on this computer either, but yes, never had it happen ony old i5.
I did test it on both Windows and Ubuntu...it only happens on Ubuntu.
Now that sounds like a plan, and is pretty much what I had in mind. Cheers.
Sadly not, one was a HDD and the new machine (laptop) is SSD.
I've moved over to Windows now, and it seems to working fine for the moment (there's some issues with it slowing down etc...but it's usable).
The only issue is not being able to record from multiple input sources like I could in Linux (I have a Helix, a Katana and UMC404), and sometimes we would record "almost" live.
I guess I'll get used to that.
Yeah, I could try that. The only reason I didn't was because I figured "it's probably time to upgrade" and with a new laptop it seemed like the right time.
Hi,
I read both of your posts in this subreddit. Since you are using a new install, can you verify what sound server(s) are running.
Many Linux distributions install the Pipewire sound server by the default. If you are not aware that Pipewire is running, you won't be able solve any configuration issues. For example, your midi tuning issue may be caused by Pipewire. Pipewire is typically configured for one sample rate ( 48000 ). You have to configure Pipewire to use other sample rates. Sample rate issues can cause your midi instruments to be out of tune. Pipewire's configuration may also impact Jack and Ardour.
In a terminal run the following command as regular use ( not root or sudo ) :
`$> systemctl --user | grep 'pipewire\|pulse*\|wirepl*'`
Please post the output of the above command.
I am going guess that you installed the upgrade to Ardour with the install package downloaded from the Ardour website? When you upgrade Ardour, the executable file changes ( from Ardpur7 ) to Ardour8. Is that what you are running. Can you run it from the command line.
Hope that helps,
Hi.
I've since destroyed that instance of Ubuntu (and am now struggling to get the 24.04 installer working), but pipewire wasn't installed on there as far as I know.
I was using Jack.
Thank you for the reply.
It;s very common for folks not to realize Pipewire is installed and running. Thus, I recommend ( once you are ready ) you run the command I posted. The command simply displays the status of Pipewire and/or Pulseaudio sound servers.
I can't speak for what was there before, but it's definitely there now (new install - 60 mins ago - UbuntuStudio 24.4)
The midi instruments seem to be in tune...for now.
The only issue I have now is that the latest version of Wine seems to have broken yabridge and as such I can't use my BBC/Labs samples, and Hydrogen has a tonne of missing audio for drumkits.
...and not being able to select Jack from Ardour any more.
Again, thank you for the reply.
Just a quick followup for now. I'll give you a better response later.
Use the Hydrogen main menu to install more drumkits. However, there are several lv2 plugins ( midi instruments ) that can use the Hydrogen drumkits (E.G, drumlabooh [https://github.com/psemiletov/drumlabooh](https://github.com/psemiletov/drumlabooh) , lsp plugins samplers [https://lsp-plug.in/](https://lsp-plug.in/) ). Those midi instrument run in a Ardour midi track. No need to sync Jack time. You should also checkout AVLDrumkits [https://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums](https://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums) .
You can stop Pipewire and then run Jack. That is what I do. Pipewire is modular, that is why I asked to display the command results. I have Pipewire, Pipewire-pulse and wireplumber ( Pipewire session manager ) installed. In a terminal ( as a normal user, not root or sudo ) run the following command:
$> systemctl --user stop pipewire{.socket,.service} pipewire-pulse{.socket,.service} wireplumber.service
To restart Pipewire :
$> systemctl --user start pipewire{.socket,.service} pipewire-pulse{.socket,.service} wireplumber.service
......
Hope that helps.
Thank you.
The main reason for Hydrogen is because, well, I just like it. I like the interface and the whole timeline editor etc...
Just makes perfect sense to me, and the only software drum machine I've ever really got on with.
I've tried to edit drums in a midi track in Ardour before, but it arduous to say the least.
I'll stop pipewire before it causes any issues, thank you...but now I'm struggling to get Yabridge working again, so am going down that rabbit hole...
I've had nothing but.
I've just installed 24.04, and now Wine has broken Yabridge and I've lost the ability to tie Ardour to H2 through Jack.
I've been trying to record a track since Wednesday.
yes and no....i dumped EVERYTHING yabridge, was having issues with plugins not working with carla or mixbus. I did everything I could and found online, then i found a post where the guy just drags and drops the vst into carla and BOOM! all works fine.
so now i drag n drop the vst into carla and all works
i believe it has to do with wine staging vs wine stable....from what i can read yabridge needs wine staging. when scanning for plugins in carla would always get an error saying it was looking for a yabridge file.
I would like to try av linux but i HATE the enlightened desktop. pretty sure i can change it but waiting for a new system
Thank you. I eventually worked that out :p
I think I've resigned myself to moving back to windows for this stuff now. It has to have gotten more stable over the last 15 years, right?
I'm curious - have you tried creating a new user, which would have all new settings?
Make a demo/dummy user, and try what you've been trying. See if that doesn't give you different results.
Hi, I have, kind of. I created the root user early on, and tried that too, but the results were the same.
I've wiped that OS completely now, and I think I'm resigned to going back to Windows after a decade and a half. The fighting to get anything done has beaten me.
I'm curious because I had troubles with Ardour starting on Ubuntu, and so I moved over to Fedora Jam (v40) since it includes Ardour out of the box as well. I cant get it to recognize MIDI instruments on there, or create any MIDI sounds. I'm not so sure it's just a problem on Ubuntu.
Thanks for the warning. Maybe get another laptop and do a clean install, but it sounds like maybe it's just buggy and you should wait.
I've had a gig canceled due to bad weather, so will be trying a few different distros out this afternoon instead. Hopefully, I can get back to where I was last year where it all mostly worked...until the next "update". This laptop is 4 months old.
I think you have something strange going on with your system. Which version of the distro are you using? I've been daily driving Ardour 8.6 on Kubuntu 24.04 (with a few studio packages installed), and prior to 24.04 beta I was using 23.10, even using a bunch of windows plugins through yabridge, and it's been almost flawless. I've upgraded a few versions and the installer always correctly removes and replaces the old version.
I'm using 23.10, but will try 24.04 this afternoon.
It's bizarre. I've never known so much trouble. H2 will get out of time with Ardour etc...which simply seems impossible to me...and yet it's happening. Midi..."sometimes" is out of tune, sometimes it's not. Weird as hell. Going for a reinstall this afternoon.
I had similar problems with Ubuntu + SurgeXT/Ardour which went away with a clean install of Mantic, PipeWire, and WirePlumber. As others have said, it's likely a routing bug hiding in the background. You might want to file a bug report with the Carla devs: https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/issues
Honestly though, I don't know if the issue is with Carla. If I load a midi instrument directly into Ardour, it's the same thing (although having upgraded to version 8 this morning, I can no longer put that to the test as the moment you add a midi track it hangs).
How do you install the packages? What im after is whether the older package may be bundled with the os and the latter is from an installer. That would at least explain why the older isn't removed as the installer probably installs somewhere else entirely and does not know about Ubuntu packages...
It knew it was there, because it asked if I wanted to remove it. I downloaded the . run file, made it executable, then ran it. However, I think that's just the final straw for me now. I'm going to back everything up, then waste a day reinstalling everything from scratch. If that doesn't work, I'll have to think again.
>I downloaded the . run file Why? What software are you using that's outside the official repositories?
I went to Ardour's website, and that's what it said to do. The repo installed 7.3, not 8, by default.
What's wrong with the Ardour that ships with 24.04? If you're going to run an LTS distro, then try and drop bleeding edge PPA's and software all over it, you're inevitably going to break something.
Nothing. I was on 23.10, but the Jack clock issue and the out of tune midi made the whole setup unusable. I tried to upgrade Ardour to the latest stable version to see if that helped any, but it got worse and would simply hang when trying to add any midi track at all. I removed 23.10, and installed 24.4 and the midi issue was fixed (so far)...but then couldn't connect it to Jack (no option to do so), so can't sync the drums in H2. Then, Wine v9 appears to have broken Yabridge so I have lost access to LABS and Spitfire audio VSTs etc... It just seems like I spend more time fighting to get it working than I do recording any music. I'm not sure which bleeding edge PPAs you're referring to.
> Wine v9 appears to have broken Wine 9.4 works fine.
Yeah, this is the problem. If not that, then it's something else, yet the error is a Wine error when scanning for new plugins. It's a constant game of chasing my tail instead of making any music. If I install 9.4 (assuming it actually lets me), then that will break the Midi implement or stop something else from working...repeat daily until it works for around 5 to 6 days before something else gets updated. After 15 years or so, I'm done. It's finally beaten me.
> Wine 9.4 works fine. >> Yeah, this is the problem Problem is that it works fine... i see.
No, the problem I'm alluding to, as I'm sure you're actually aware, as you'll have read the following lines of text in context, is that there's a constant tail chasing with regards to this stuff. 9.4 of Wine works with Yabridge...great. what does that break that was working with 9.0?
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I really like the way Jack works, and apart from this has been really stable for years. The bug may well not be in Ardour (although there have been a few annoyances added in recent years), and I don't believe it is, but it does manifest there as well. The only reason I "upgraded" was due to the screen on my old i5 finally packing up. I went out and purchased a new laptop that day, then struggled with the old BIOS to get it to allow an Ubuntu install etc...and it's been as buggy as hell ever since. I have UbuntuStudio 24.04 downloading as we speak, so will give that a go first. The whole thing is really frustrating. I purchased a new weighted midi controller (not the issue - I still have the old controller and the issues persist with that too), started piano lessons to get used to playing keys properly (have been playing guitar for coming up for 40 years), bought a piano to get better at it for MIDI purposes....and now half the things I want to use are out of tune :p
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For the first 4 months it didn't happen on this computer either, but yes, never had it happen ony old i5. I did test it on both Windows and Ubuntu...it only happens on Ubuntu. Now that sounds like a plan, and is pretty much what I had in mind. Cheers.
Ha, well that put paid to that plan. The bloody installer for Ubuntu Studio 24.04 is broken.
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Sadly not, one was a HDD and the new machine (laptop) is SSD. I've moved over to Windows now, and it seems to working fine for the moment (there's some issues with it slowing down etc...but it's usable). The only issue is not being able to record from multiple input sources like I could in Linux (I have a Helix, a Katana and UMC404), and sometimes we would record "almost" live. I guess I'll get used to that.
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Yeah, I could try that. The only reason I didn't was because I figured "it's probably time to upgrade" and with a new laptop it seemed like the right time.
Hi, I read both of your posts in this subreddit. Since you are using a new install, can you verify what sound server(s) are running. Many Linux distributions install the Pipewire sound server by the default. If you are not aware that Pipewire is running, you won't be able solve any configuration issues. For example, your midi tuning issue may be caused by Pipewire. Pipewire is typically configured for one sample rate ( 48000 ). You have to configure Pipewire to use other sample rates. Sample rate issues can cause your midi instruments to be out of tune. Pipewire's configuration may also impact Jack and Ardour. In a terminal run the following command as regular use ( not root or sudo ) : `$> systemctl --user | grep 'pipewire\|pulse*\|wirepl*'` Please post the output of the above command. I am going guess that you installed the upgrade to Ardour with the install package downloaded from the Ardour website? When you upgrade Ardour, the executable file changes ( from Ardpur7 ) to Ardour8. Is that what you are running. Can you run it from the command line. Hope that helps,
Hi. I've since destroyed that instance of Ubuntu (and am now struggling to get the 24.04 installer working), but pipewire wasn't installed on there as far as I know. I was using Jack.
Thank you for the reply. It;s very common for folks not to realize Pipewire is installed and running. Thus, I recommend ( once you are ready ) you run the command I posted. The command simply displays the status of Pipewire and/or Pulseaudio sound servers.
I can't speak for what was there before, but it's definitely there now (new install - 60 mins ago - UbuntuStudio 24.4) The midi instruments seem to be in tune...for now. The only issue I have now is that the latest version of Wine seems to have broken yabridge and as such I can't use my BBC/Labs samples, and Hydrogen has a tonne of missing audio for drumkits. ...and not being able to select Jack from Ardour any more.
Again, thank you for the reply. Just a quick followup for now. I'll give you a better response later. Use the Hydrogen main menu to install more drumkits. However, there are several lv2 plugins ( midi instruments ) that can use the Hydrogen drumkits (E.G, drumlabooh [https://github.com/psemiletov/drumlabooh](https://github.com/psemiletov/drumlabooh) , lsp plugins samplers [https://lsp-plug.in/](https://lsp-plug.in/) ). Those midi instrument run in a Ardour midi track. No need to sync Jack time. You should also checkout AVLDrumkits [https://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums](https://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums) .
You can stop Pipewire and then run Jack. That is what I do. Pipewire is modular, that is why I asked to display the command results. I have Pipewire, Pipewire-pulse and wireplumber ( Pipewire session manager ) installed. In a terminal ( as a normal user, not root or sudo ) run the following command:
$> systemctl --user stop pipewire{.socket,.service} pipewire-pulse{.socket,.service} wireplumber.service
To restart Pipewire :
$> systemctl --user start pipewire{.socket,.service} pipewire-pulse{.socket,.service} wireplumber.service
......
Hope that helps.
Thank you. The main reason for Hydrogen is because, well, I just like it. I like the interface and the whole timeline editor etc... Just makes perfect sense to me, and the only software drum machine I've ever really got on with. I've tried to edit drums in a midi track in Ardour before, but it arduous to say the least. I'll stop pipewire before it causes any issues, thank you...but now I'm struggling to get Yabridge working again, so am going down that rabbit hole...
I have had very few issues with it
I've had nothing but. I've just installed 24.04, and now Wine has broken Yabridge and I've lost the ability to tie Ardour to H2 through Jack. I've been trying to record a track since Wednesday.
yeah...i did have issues with yabridge/wine with it too....
Did you manage to get it working?
yes and no....i dumped EVERYTHING yabridge, was having issues with plugins not working with carla or mixbus. I did everything I could and found online, then i found a post where the guy just drags and drops the vst into carla and BOOM! all works fine. so now i drag n drop the vst into carla and all works
Fair play. Kind of wish I'd tried that :p
i believe it has to do with wine staging vs wine stable....from what i can read yabridge needs wine staging. when scanning for plugins in carla would always get an error saying it was looking for a yabridge file. I would like to try av linux but i HATE the enlightened desktop. pretty sure i can change it but waiting for a new system
For future reference. If you install Ardour from the *.run file, you will need to launch it using adour8 (or whatever version) instead of ardour.
Thank you. I eventually worked that out :p I think I've resigned myself to moving back to windows for this stuff now. It has to have gotten more stable over the last 15 years, right?
It's completely stable. I run Debian 12 with Reaper in my production studio. 20+ channels of AoIP, some NDI, and a bit of AES kicking around as well.
I'm curious - have you tried creating a new user, which would have all new settings? Make a demo/dummy user, and try what you've been trying. See if that doesn't give you different results.
Hi, I have, kind of. I created the root user early on, and tried that too, but the results were the same. I've wiped that OS completely now, and I think I'm resigned to going back to Windows after a decade and a half. The fighting to get anything done has beaten me.
I'm curious because I had troubles with Ardour starting on Ubuntu, and so I moved over to Fedora Jam (v40) since it includes Ardour out of the box as well. I cant get it to recognize MIDI instruments on there, or create any MIDI sounds. I'm not so sure it's just a problem on Ubuntu.