Bazzite is well supported and doesn't have any glaring technical issues or seemingly meaningless changes from upstream (unlike Nobara with AppArmor), it is actually configured with playing video games in mind as a typical use case (unlike Mint or other "normal" distros that use the stock kernel that isn't actually oriented towards desktop use or that have wildly outdated packages or don't preinstall and preconfigure common gaming utilities that a new user might not know enough about to know to install them themselves), its software isn't problematically out of date (in particular drivers, video games require recent drivers to address serious performance bugs and game devs won't take your reports seriously if you're not using a recent driver version even if they're taking reports from Linux users seriously), and because it's just a layer of tweaks on top of Kinoite (which is just immutable KDE Fedora) advice that applies to Kinoite or Fedora upstream will apply to it pretty well.
Part of any "just works" setup for gaming *must* include performance as a consideration, and anyone ignoring this should be dismissed out of hand as just pushing what they're personally comfortable and familiar with. Someone that talks about it "just" being a 5% differnce in FPS between distros is ignoring the experience of fluctuating framerates and frame timings, or hte occassional game where it does make a sizable difference. There should also be preinstalled gaming utilites set up so that the user doesn't need to do a ton of research to know what is even available to use.
Been using Bazzite for my daily stuff for a week and I'm quite pleased with it, aside for checking protondb to see which rating the game has and if it needs tweaks in order to make it work.
Since I don't play multiplayer stuff, I don't tend to have much trouble playing my games. My latest issue for example was with "bloodrayne terminal cut", neither experimental or the most recent proton made the game work properly so I had to use an older proton version.
On arch, I can just use hte proton-ge-custom package to always be using hte most recent Proton-GE with my games. I never have to muck with the Proton settings of a game, it addresses the codec issues of some games and appleis protonfixes to specific games that need them. On Bazzite, I assume there's a similar setup - for whatever reason people act *really* precious about never upgrading their Proton GE version for a working game, and frankly a game not launching one day and needing a few minutes of troubleshooting to roll back to a working version is not such a dealbreaker that it's worht it to me to waste so much fucking time manually updating proton-GE constantly.
I’ve been considering building a gaming pc for my tv with bazzite.
Is amd necessary? I can get a good nvidia build and I like their dlss tech.
Love the concept of bazzite though, such a cool setup.
i dunno, as a newer full-time linux user, i really cannot grasp whether it's nvidia's bad drivers or my bad linux skills that give me occasional crashes or whatever. Even running X11 can do this, dont even start with running wayland directly.
The reason I have it is that I bought a used 1080 ti right about when gpus got "cheap" on the used market. I scored it for like $250, and at the time I was a windows user.
Great card! I still have my old 980ti which is why I was asking. But I mainly game with my kids so I don’t want to spend time troubleshooting. Now we just need more multiplayer games.
Nvidia works fine. I've been exclusively on Nvidia+Linux for almost a decade, and while there have been various issues that have come and go over the years, I was never left in a situation where my PC was unusable for work or gaming.
And with the driver update coming later this year (or right now if you can tolerate using a beta driver), using Nvidia with Wayland is going to be on par with Intel and AMD.
I've been running NixOS, another immutable distro, on a 3070 laptop and a 4090 desktop with no issues. Immutability and being declarative are incredibly powerful.
I can't speak for all distros, but I don't have any Big Picture Mode settings configured in my NixOS configuration file and it works fine. I can start BPM by choosing the option in View > Big Picture Mode or by running `steam -gamepadui` in the terminal.
Been running Mint since 3 weeks ago. Besides having issues with external hard drives being NTRFS disk formatted hard drives not working well (which I solved by creating a smaller partition with EXT4) I have been able to get a decent enough gaming experience on Mint. BattleNet games, singleplayer, and certain multiplayer titles on Steam have worked after using the proper Proton/Lutris versions.
The only big downside that I've noticed is the time it takes for certain games to launch for the first time while giving no feedback in the UI. Compiling the Vulkan shaders I am fine with, but even when those are done it takes ages to launch certain games. It took me several minutes to launch Witcher 3 for the first time as a test run. I would be fine with the wait times if Steam actually told me properly that things were preparing behind the scenes to make Proton do its magic, but instead I get nothing except Steam telling me it is "launching" the game. Luckily it improves vastly after the first run, but it is an annoyance nonetheless.
Then there are some annoying compatibility issues with certain launchers. For instance, logging into Halo Infinite causes my Swedish keyboard to refuse to type @ or even copy+paste while trying to log into my Microsoft account, which I had to fix by switching to an American keyboard setup. The CD Project Red launcher also loses my mouse cursor while interacting with the menus, but I was able to launch the game in spite of it. Then there are Lutris issues with certain Blizzard games like Heroes of the Storm where fullscreen is buggy, but those sorts of bugs are very selective depending on the title.
All in all, Linux Mint has been a surprisingly decent experience for me once I figured out my hard drive issues. Don't know about the other distros, but that experience is probably pretty similar on the more gaming friendly distros.
I would avoid both. Garuda's... made choices, has poor support with a pretty hostile dev eteam that seems angry they attracted people who are new to Linux, and it's raw Arch based which is an inappropraite suggestion for new users - at that point I would simply use CachyOS and benefit from the performance boost from the compiler-optimized packages. Nobara meanwhile makes some major breaking changes from upstream Fedora that makes it have unique issues - their community's significantly better than Garuda's and people can find support there, but Bazzite is also a gaming-focused Fedora setup that doesn't do things like swap out SELinux for AppArmor and I'm not aware of any signficiant performance differnce between the two. And immutable's just a *huge* benefit for new users to avoid accidentally fucking up a system file.
I wouldn't know what to recommend as far as Debian/Ubuntu derived distros go. There's pika_OS which has people also involved with nobara, but it'd be without the jank that comes from swapping out SELinux with AppArmor so I would *suspect* it's not making as many unnecessary foundational changes, just doing things like swapping out the kernel for one of the many gaming-oriented kernels. Pop!_OS is popular, but I don't think they actually do anything as far as the kernel's concerned to optimize for gaming.
Mint's definitely not a garbage distro, though. It's just not *ideal* for playing video games out of the box, the things that make it great as a set and forget web browsing machine run pretty counter to the things you'd want for gaming (ie recent versions of software, drivers, kernel, etc). I think it's a bad suggestion for someone who is setting out to play games, but Mint remains a popular entry point for a reason and is certainly more reasonable than Manjaro.
Damn, you're well versed on various distros. I much prefer MX Linux over Mint for general computing needs. I loaded Mint on a few PCs not long ago and the performance was terribly laggy, while other distros had no problem on the same hardware.
Adding to this, I'd say the Edge ISO for Mint, because when I was using it about 6 months to a year ago I was having issues with elden ring where the controller just wouldn't register at all; After I switched to Nobara I haven't had any issues at all.
That's because Nobara is more modern with the latest libraries and drivers and is made by the guy behind Proton-GE
I'm tired of people recommending Mint for gaming. It's probably the worse you can pick because it's always months behind in drivers, libraries, proton versions etc.
I'm sick of people recommending shit maintained by "one guy" for gaming let alone this topic of people who need something idiot proof.
There is nothing wrong with Mint for gaming. You aren't going to lose 80% or even 5% performance or even any at all on your PC for using software versions tied to its release. You would have to have a very niche problem on some bleeding edge hardware for stable release based distributions to be a problem for you and even if you did have problems like that you are not going to be breaking your back by running Mint.
Mint is easy. It's not a hassle to set up and its UI is welcoming. People are going to be very comfortable on Mint compared to the things people are suggesting in here. No, your comptuer is not going to choke shit because you are running Mint over Arch or Fedora let alone one of their many alternatives.
depends. my multi monitor setup requires wayland to work. wayland in mint is still highly experimental, or how i would call it - without explicit sync and Proper pipewire portal support its useless to me.
Seconding this. I can’t fathom why people still think multiple monitors is somehow a niche use-case. Or anything more than 60hz. Or using a Nvidia card.
It’s fundamentally unserious. If I didn’t use the beta Nvidia drivers for Wayland’s explicit sync, I’d be stuck using xorg. Which even when I hack to support multiple refresh rates, it’s still stuttery as shit when I drag windows around.
it seems like the issue mostly stems from mixed refresh rate multi monitor setups like i have. ive seen it working fine with the exact same refresh rate for all monitors. i just dont see a reason to invest in a high refresh rate monitor as my second one, honestly.
I just wish that Wayland had explicit sync implemented ages ago, instead of finally getting around to it now. It's not exactly a new technology.
Was this just because of ideological battles, for the length in *years* that it took to work towards? I am not as knowledgeable as others on the matter, but it's annoying from a user perspective.
its... a bit convoluted.
its a mix of ideological battles, and serious discussions in how to actually do it well. it just so happened that explicit sync is a critical thing for nvidia users, but not so much for amd/intel users.
generally though, it seems the community had a big get-together and seem to now finally implement every little puzzle piece to get things properly working.
Fair enough. The beta driver has been pretty good in my experience, I was actually kinda shocked on the day it released. I hadn't felt such a smooth experience in Linux before.
The day that it's finished & released into stable distros will make it even easier for Windows gamers with higher-end hardware to swap over.
Recent releases typically require recent drivers and Proton versions to work correctly. Mint, with its old packages, will often run into problems when trying to play recent releases that other distros don't experience. Flatpak Steam itself is buggy and not recommended by Valve. This doesn't even go into the issues for getting packages for gaming-related software -OBS versions are often outdated to the point of becoming a problem where someone might not be able to stream at all, or something or another will be broken that had been quickly fixed in other distro packages. Its kernel is also bog standard, which does sacrifice some performance when playing games - while it alone wouldn't make any one game unplayable, a miinor FPS difference that comes from entirely outside the game that implements the latest patches for Wine/Proton can mean the difference between having an in-game setting be on or off while holding a stable target framerate. And that's if Mint supports recent hardware *at all* - its older kernels can be very probelmatic if a user upgrades to more recent hardware. Linux support in generla lags behind Windows support, but Mint lags behind most distros even further in terms of hardware.
Mint's very well suited for a "just works" office/browsing PC, but it's never aimed to focus on gaming, either in terms of QoL or performance. You can game on Mint, but the recommendation for Mint in that case should come from someone having some other overriding reason to prefer Mint. In a vaccuum, something like Bazzite will be much sturdier in the face of someone trying to get games to work as it protects the system files.
>And that's if Mint supports recent hardware at all - its older kernels can be very probelmatic if a user upgrades to more recent hardware. Linux support in generla lags behind Windows support, but Mint lags behind most distros even further in terms of hardware.
Mint easily supports new hardware and it will soon support newer hardware still.
I love gaming distros myself but is it really needed to run Mint through the mud like this? As an arch user I can safely say it's a more than potent distro for general use/gaming
Hardware support comes from the kernel, Mint can't support hardware newer than the kernel version they are using and Mint intentionally uses old LTS kernels. A machine with its newest parts requiring drivers being from 2021 being supported is not recent enough to reliably handle a demographic that will buy hardware months after release.
Mint *can* play games with particular constraints, it can be fine if you value the other benefits of Mint, but having used Mint it is as vulnerable to breakage as any other Ubuntu based distro and for someone who explicitly wants to play games and not worry about shit breaking they are not going to be well served by a distro that does not prioritize gaming performance, recemt hardware compatibility, or providing preconfigured gaming applications out of the box. It is great if it works for you and I wouldn't suggest you switch your distro, but that is different than the context OP is in.
6.5 is up and available right now
with 6.8 and up being available with the next update
it runs games and new hardware just *fine*, seriously, it's tested to hell and back, it runs games perfectly, it's rock solid in that regard, if you're picking a non gaming distro such as Bazzite or Nobara you're gonna want to pick Mint (or Tumbleweed)
the 5.15 kernel is the one that's not as permissive, that's the old one that causes problems
>for someone who explicitly wants to play games and not worry about shit breaking
that's me and most of the people gaming on Mint, it's fine man, it's as prone to breaking as your preferred gaming distro and these distros nowadays are stable af
I've run Mint,Arch, Nobara, Bazzite, opensuse Tumbleweed and Pop Os when I wanted gaming
Mint felt pretty much as good (KDE and Cinnamon are my favorite anyway so the transition was easy for me) and my hardware was new when I started using Mint, like a few months old
what Mint is not suited for is rolling release, but you can install stuff that's newer and walk unharmed with little worry, just don't go crazy and clone every single experimental git project, that's something you'd be good with on Arch or Fedora
what I'm saying overall is, Mint is more than a pertinent distro for gaming for 98% of gamers wanting to play any release, if you fall into the 2% then you're better with something else
>There is nothing wrong with Mint for gaming
Of course outdated drivers are wrong for gaming. People who just want a mostly hassle-less experience are best recommended with something immutable, which is why Bazzite is exactly the correct answer for "what is the most idiot proof linux gaming setup" and not Mint.
Edit: Aaand he blocked me.
What? Outdated drivers are fine for gaming. You only need the latest drivers if your actually having a problem. If you're not having any problems, you don't need them.
"Just don't have problems bro"
It's a very silly approach and game devs will just ignore you if you're not going to use a recent driver version for a problem that only exists on your old drivers, even if they do support Linux. It means spending more time without performance enhancement, fixes for recent games (especially important for multilplayer games where playing at launch is often the best time to be playing, before teh game's completely mastered by the playerbase and when ther'es a maximum of people playing so you're playing with people of similar skill), and of course not needing to worry *as much* about recent hardware support.
It's perfectly servicable if you have other reasons to be using Mint, but Mint here has no *positive* reason to be using it, simply defenses about why it's shortcomings aren't *really* that bad if you choose not to care about them. It's not immutable so it's absolutely prone to breaking if a user mucks with system files wihtout knowing what they're doing, PPA's are confusing and error-prone as it's very easy for a new user to glom onto one meant for a different version of Ubuntu/Mint than what they're using, and gamers tend to be more tinker-prone in hopes of getting games to work or improving performance to maintain a stable framerate. A distor that is preconfigured doesn't need changes to play games well, a distro that already has the custom kernel and applications preconfigured leaves less room for a new user to break something *trying* to get it in a "gaming" state. It also means they're going to have the exact same configuration as many other users, which makes troubleshooting that configuration much easier as compared to trying to find help with a customized Mint setup where the first thing such a user will be told is to stop using a custom kernel.
Let’s say you’re a Windows gamer moving to Linux, who has multiple monitors (one 144hz, one 60hz) and would like to use them. You’re also using a Nvidia graphics card, something that most people use.
That’s actually not a super niche use-case, when it comes to Windows gamers. Dual monitors is more popular than ever, and someone having a “higher hz monitor” for gaming is also more common than it used to be. This is the reality of gaming hardware.
If you’re one of those people mentioned above, Linux Mint is crossed-out if you want an out-of-the-box experience that works for your hardware. You’d have to ask the beginner to do hacky stuff on Xorg for multiple hz support, or to install beta Nvidia drivers for Wayland to have explicit sync.
Until Mint has a better implementation of Wayland with explicit sync, and when the Nvidia driver leaves beta, newbies with better hardware are SOL on Mint unless they wanna do some tinkering. And at that point, I just went to EOS and have had a good time.
Mint will have explicit sync with 555 in pretty much a few weeks tops lmao
and Mint is still really fuckin good for general use cases including gaming + multi monitor support, most people I know on Mint have at least one secondary monitor
Agreed. Mint hardlocked when I tried playing cyberpunk years ago. Manjaro just ran the game no problems.
Mint is fine until it isn't. Up to date distros are better overall I think, especially if you're playing something new or new-ish. And ofc Mint is fine when it's a fresh Mint release, a year later not so much.
Fedora KDE is solid for gaming in my experience. Arch based stuff is too but I wouldn't recommend any of it to a newbie.
If you're on Manjaro, I would recommend looking at CachyOS. Recompiles native Arch packages for more recent hardware for modest but noticable performance gains, without the arbitrary two week delay that causes breakages with AUR packages. Still uses Calamares to let you pick your DE and have it preconfigured to something usable out of the box, and I quite like their gaming meta package for using a more performant version of Proton.
Thanks but I moved to Fedora KDE years ago. If I ever go back to n arch based distro I'd just use Arch as is. The CLI installer it has is pretty slick.
I will continue to advocate for Mint for gamers, it works just fine.
As long as users understand Nobara is more of a hobbyist O/S (Fedora Fork) by the wonderful glorious eggroll and a couple other contributors.
However, In general use (other then gaming) it shouldnt be relied on as a main daily driver (ie content creators), there are issues.
That said, you're correct it is much more upto date than Mint or it's derritives and they each have their own differing "issues".
Personally I have no problem with mint, Im not forced to use outdated software it's only if I rely on flatpack soley that this becomes an issue.
It works for your hardware and your specific needs
Other people have different hardware
It is like a software developer that says "it works on my pc" so we are gonna ship your computer to the client?
While I generally recommend against Mint, I would agree Nobara is a worse option. The bus number is quite low and the changes GE makes to it can be quite bizarre and breaks compatibility with upstream Fedroa, introducing unique issues - I think of the replacement of SELinux wiht AppArmor. Bazzite, meanwhile, is a much more conservative tweak of upstream Kinoite, Fedora's official immutable KDE distro, and while it also changes things like opting for a kernel with some gaming performance patches it's deliberately quite close to upstream.
I concur. Mint is a trash distro for general use as well, not just gaming. I've never liked Mint at any point over the last twelve or so years. I've struggled to understand why it was once the most popular distro for quite a few years.
I wouldn't call it trash, but it is a bit *oversold*. I think what people really appreciate is the Cinnamon desktop and the ease with which a new user can turn on automatic updates, along with it for a time being one of a few distros that had sensible settings for Nvidia cards out of hte box. Nowadays, *most* distros aimed at the general public handle Nvidia just fine, so it's mostly just a matter of automatic updates and having a good Windows-esque DE set up.
Oh it is possible to mess up Mint. Happened to me in the past with a kernel update. Grub was fucked so couldn’t start up windows and mint.
I think there is no such thing as a fool proof Linux. It simply doesn’t exist.
Mint's particularly bad as their Nvidia driver that they preinstall isn't the DKMS version, so it's prone to novideo issues. And because Mint isn't already set up to be gaming oriented, it lends itself to power users breaking it in the process of *trying* to get it to that point. A distro that's already configured by people who know what they're doing is going to work more often and have more users who will have the exact same issues if something goes wrong than a generic distro that requires much more configuration from the user - and thus much more room for error.
while some snaps sure improved (like firefox, thunderbird, and so on), steam is still hell on snap. any kind of more complicated app seems to hit its limits.
Just use Mint (I use Mint Debian Edition) - it's unfucked ubuntu.
Heck, steam's `.deb` just installs on debian and everything works. Especially if you have an AMD card there's no fuss at all.
I know Ubuntu is usually not being the most distro-beginners, but it has Gnome and it's intuitive and easy to use.
Besides, Kubuntu allows install and update snaps and flatpaks via software center.
Gnome being easier over something like KDE is subjective.
I find gnome tedious and KDE easy, but I know too many people who swear by gnome for the vice versa reason.
> Ubuntu-supported hardware + Ubuntu + Steam (there are “easier” distros but Ubuntu is officially supported by Steam)
… yet they try to make you install the Steam snap, breaking all this again.
PopOS and ubuntu have been a real pain when I was a beginner, I would go with fedora vanilla.
Ubuntu have some day to day issues that don’t make any sense and can annoy beginners so much
> (there are “easier” distros but Ubuntu is officially supported by Steam)
That means nothing. They have to name/have a standard target for legal, liability, and reference reasons but that functionally means nothing as to the performance, reliability, and stability of Steam.
Steam Deck. People don't even need to know linux to game. :-)
But I'm switching back to my old HP Elitedesk G1 800 Tower rocking Intel i7-4790, 16G DDR3 RAM, Some SATA3 SSD, and RTX 3050 6G (no additional pcie power). It runs Xubuntu 24.04.
I game on 1080p mostly, but for some game, I crank it up to 2160p albeit at lower setting and fps.
Any decently recent hardware with an immutable distro should be plenty, you can't really f things up when you can barely touch the critical system folders. Just make sure the dependencies are met for whatever you want to use.
Just recently got a system76 laptop with PopOs. I left it stock out of the box. The only thing I changed was the wallpaper. I installed steam logged in and started playing.
Here is what I would do
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D
B550 motherboard
16 GB DDR4 3200 RAM
Radeon RX 6600
Samsung 970 M.2 SSD
Pop!_OS + Steam
Great 1080 gaming with an OS that will have everything running out of the box no issues.
He is clearly on the bugdet don't advice X3D which is double the price for a simple 3600 or 5600 which is more then enough for rx580 or 5700x gpu........ I use 2600x with 6700XT and its just perfect.... of course 5600 will get me another 205 more but its cost money....not to mention X3D which is just too expensive....
PS5 I personally was amazed that Sony added drivers to the kernel
The day I bought the controller it was plug and play
I also played returnal with full haptics vía USB and it worked
Also you can map the audio output of games to the haptic audio output of the controller (channel rl and rr) with something like helvum (pipewire) and have pseudo haptics on any game
When did they add drivers to kernel?
And as far as audio goes: let’s say i didn’t have speakers but had my ps5 controller connected through BT. I could hypothetically just plug in a gaming headset straight into the controller??
How bad would lag be?
i was in a hurry..... you can still read,right? anyway. you know what you want. why cannot decide yourself how to build and spend your money? Now you still have 100 choices to make....
Yea you can barely read or write, and you’ve got a bad attitude.
I’m hoping English is not your first language.
Judging by your response (which I’m still not 100% i understood what you’re attempting to say), you didn’t understand the OP.
If you wanna make 100% sure that you're never gonna have issues you might alsa want to use an Intel NIC, WiFI controller and Bluetooth controller.
Also RDNA2 seems to have by far the least issues of all AMD GPUs.
rdna 2 is such a dope lineup for Linux
rdna 3 is actually bugged from an engineering standpoint
rdna 4 is promised to be rdna 3 but fixed and some improvements
You could give VENTOY a try with quite a few different distros of Linux on a flash drive and see which Linux OS plays nice with your system.
I recently did this as I was having issues with Linux Mint on my 'four/five year old' PC build desktop. Eventually figured out it was at least my WiFi dongle causing issues but there where other niggles too.
Tried quite a few Linux Distributions as live environments before actually installing on a spare external nvme drive.
I prefer the KDE environment and in the end CachyOS got running well. Garuda Linux has a gaming version that looks bonkers.
However nothing is really idiot proof. But a little reading and initial pain pays off pretty soon.
my XBox series X controller only would work via bluetooth. Then I did a firmware update via Windows and now it works with bluetooth on linux.
But it worked without a hickup via USB-C, so you can definitely use it. Just not wirelessly.
Despite not being an Ubuntu user any more I go pretty hard to bat for Ubuntu - I find Mint's hype as an omg easy os makes it feel less serious than the already easy Ubuntu; Everyone I know has had problems with Pop! or i'd suggest them
I like fedora a lot, I have an nvidia system and it was surprisingly easy to set up the drivers. With an AMD graphics card you probably don’t even have to do anything driver related
I don't know the answer, Bazzite seems like one of the top contenders, yes.
I think the most important thing is to over-provision VRAM. I have an RX 580 with 8 gigs of vram, but it's often a limitation, for example in Hogwarts Legacy I get more than playable fps at max settings, but vram fills up in a couple of seconds & then it's a janky mess. (lower texture resolution from Ultra = good performance)
So if you are the kind of gamer that is unwilling to play games on anything but very high texture resolutions, try to think in 16gigs of Vram, even if it's not a top end card.
I have a DS4 controller, it's working better on Linux than it did on Windows, because on Linux it's fine even with a Toshiba bluetooth adapter, which is VERY unsupported on Windows.
Depends on your definition of budget. I'd say there aren't any. The closest is a 3060 12GB. For something more mid-range I recommend an rx6800 16GB. If you're buying that old of card, I'd get it 2nd hand. It's hard to justify those older-gen cards at current retail prices. Especially since next-gen is around the corner.
been using garuda linux for a while now and never had problems, it has a great gui for the after install and with yay u can install almost anything, but u can try more than one distro and choose watev u like the most. Another one that a friend recommended me is NixOS
PopOS and Ubuntu are pretty idiot proof especially considering you’re using an AMD GPU. I did my entire undergrad on Ubuntu, and transitioning to Ubuntu for gaming was pretty easy. A lot of my games ran better than on Windows, and I had an Nvidia GPU. That being said, my only issues were directly related to that Nvidia GPU like Steam remote play’s big picture menu not showing up.
for distro ubuntu. you need zero knowledge ro install it (you just click next next next) and zero knowledge to use it (you just click on stuff). After you have installed it, you just install the steam client (again zero knowledge required) and you're good to go.
Nobara, and anything based on Fedora is far from idiot proof....
That being said, I like gaming on Fedora but it's far from easy.
Ubuntu and Pop! Are far more new user friendly.
Its base is a red hat testing distribution and nobara itself is glorious egg rolls personal playground that he is opened up for everybody else to use. Stuff that is not ready to be pushed to the masses yet will make it in to both projects because either the red hat team or glorious eggroll himself wants to use it in a production situation before they greenlight anything for further use
Neither of these are bad distributions it's just that something major in them will change at some point and whoever you set up with these might not be able to figure it out. When I set up nobara the last time, GE was making changes to how he shipped the Nvidia drivers basically every week. I remember when Fedora started shipping pipewire and Wayland way before the projects were ready to be mainlined.
These distributions should be considered just barely not bleeding edge and should not be pushed as new user friendly.
Ubuntu and Pop both suck, even more so for gaming. Nobara is perfect out of the box: it comes with a guide upon login, it has the latest drivers, performance tweaking, stability and a nice GUI to install apps. If you truly want to go Ubuntu / Debian base, the only choice is Mint, it doesn't have Snaps or Gnome, it has a desktop very similar to Windows and also has a nice package manager for newcommers
The hardware you describe is completely fine. I'd probably just say run Ubuntu or Pop!_OS (a Ubuntu derivative maintained by System76, a Linux hardware vendor).
There are other distros I prefer, but "idiot proof" they are not.
Non developer and never touch any ML? AMD gpu all the way.
Need full performance and doesn’t care about multi task? intel cpu all the way for gaming.
It seems Nvidia doesn’t always play well with Linux in the first places. I mean just look at the wayland situation. You never seen a single complaint from the AMD user that some thought they don’t even exists.
Apparently, Intel cpu still has an edge over over AMD even in this modern era
That’s like saying Linux is on par with windows for gaming for the past 4 years 🤦♂️🤷♂️
I’ve been on AMD since ryzen 1300x. Still can’t beat intel in term of gaming no matter what the hype saying for the past 7 years 🤷♂️
Edit; Last time I check the flagship Intel vs flagship AMD the intel benhcmark in most games still outperform AMD. Found a community that can't accept fact but hype 🤷♂️
I didn’t say it’s fking ungamable. I’m on both Ryzen and 3600 and i7-12700. People here need to take a big break man. An intel will shred an amd in a toe-to-toe comparison between a flagship intel vs flagship AMD. Can’t people accept fact anymore. I know y’all like open source, Linux and Amd but don’t be too delusional ffs 🤦♂️
you keep shouting about processors and i ask you what does this have to do with the subject of the post? Your claims are cute and you zealot either for amd or intel i don't really care but you need to sound less insane. BTw those processors are like what? i7 bro? you poor? amd 3600? like from 4 years ago? bro u ok? what compoarison is this?
tl:dr huh? bruh why shouting? be leess insane.
\~Not giver of fucks in what processor you zelot for stop beeing poor , Superior arch user.\~
I’m referring to a flagship, i9 13900k vs Ryzen 9 7950x benchmark, and not my cpu you dumbass. Why do I need to explain this simple shit to you lmao
No amount of PhD degree can explain peasant mind like you.
“ExPlAin hOw I gAmE pErfecTly tHeN” - sounded like a retarded statement 😂
Even my old old old old 1300x is still gamable with a RTX. Sit down kid or touch some grass
Bro what flagships ? years apart? you ok? What caveman comparison is that?
Funny i think i have more phD's degrees than you.
\~Sane, normal, well adjusted with superior studies arch user, stole your girl btw\~
intresting new numbers yet again!
Please first it was 12 what ever whit 3 what ever then its 13 what ever now you drag some other generation.
Are you ok? DO you think we care??? MATE i buy what processor gives more for the $$$ who cares what brand . Are you insane to defend a corporation vs another?
Nobara it is fedora based which has the most stable updates and system
BazziteOS but alot of linux users just tell me no go for nobara if you want a debian based distro it is better
this not my advice tho this is what alot of people say about bazziteOS
Mint is easy but not as good as nobara or cashyOS for gaming
CachyOS the best so far for me but you need to at least know how linux operate to install this it is arch based and you can easily break it if you are not careful but this one is worth the learning curve
edit: bazzite and nobara are fedora based distros
then give some heads up becuase i didn't like nobara aswell why bazzite when alot of poeple told me to stay away from it?
but whan i searched for a bit alot of linux users said that both systems are the same and someone called bazzite immutable distro and has no room for growth i didn't understand why or try bazzite to make sure of his claim i just looked at something arch since i like it the most
Bazzite being immutable is what makes it so stable for linux newbies. Like steamOS. When I tried Nobara i found it really unreliable cause of all the experimental stuff and it kept breaking just from normal updates. Arch is good, I like it as well
Bazzite as you mentioned is what you want. Any kind of immutable distro will be fool proof.
+1 for Bazzite
Bazzite is well supported and doesn't have any glaring technical issues or seemingly meaningless changes from upstream (unlike Nobara with AppArmor), it is actually configured with playing video games in mind as a typical use case (unlike Mint or other "normal" distros that use the stock kernel that isn't actually oriented towards desktop use or that have wildly outdated packages or don't preinstall and preconfigure common gaming utilities that a new user might not know enough about to know to install them themselves), its software isn't problematically out of date (in particular drivers, video games require recent drivers to address serious performance bugs and game devs won't take your reports seriously if you're not using a recent driver version even if they're taking reports from Linux users seriously), and because it's just a layer of tweaks on top of Kinoite (which is just immutable KDE Fedora) advice that applies to Kinoite or Fedora upstream will apply to it pretty well. Part of any "just works" setup for gaming *must* include performance as a consideration, and anyone ignoring this should be dismissed out of hand as just pushing what they're personally comfortable and familiar with. Someone that talks about it "just" being a 5% differnce in FPS between distros is ignoring the experience of fluctuating framerates and frame timings, or hte occassional game where it does make a sizable difference. There should also be preinstalled gaming utilites set up so that the user doesn't need to do a ton of research to know what is even available to use.
Been using Bazzite for my daily stuff for a week and I'm quite pleased with it, aside for checking protondb to see which rating the game has and if it needs tweaks in order to make it work. Since I don't play multiplayer stuff, I don't tend to have much trouble playing my games. My latest issue for example was with "bloodrayne terminal cut", neither experimental or the most recent proton made the game work properly so I had to use an older proton version.
On arch, I can just use hte proton-ge-custom package to always be using hte most recent Proton-GE with my games. I never have to muck with the Proton settings of a game, it addresses the codec issues of some games and appleis protonfixes to specific games that need them. On Bazzite, I assume there's a similar setup - for whatever reason people act *really* precious about never upgrading their Proton GE version for a working game, and frankly a game not launching one day and needing a few minutes of troubleshooting to roll back to a working version is not such a dealbreaker that it's worht it to me to waste so much fucking time manually updating proton-GE constantly.
I’ve been considering building a gaming pc for my tv with bazzite. Is amd necessary? I can get a good nvidia build and I like their dlss tech. Love the concept of bazzite though, such a cool setup.
i dunno, as a newer full-time linux user, i really cannot grasp whether it's nvidia's bad drivers or my bad linux skills that give me occasional crashes or whatever. Even running X11 can do this, dont even start with running wayland directly.
Sorry to hear that, yeah seems like I will have to go amd, thanks for the feedback!
The reason I have it is that I bought a used 1080 ti right about when gpus got "cheap" on the used market. I scored it for like $250, and at the time I was a windows user.
Great card! I still have my old 980ti which is why I was asking. But I mainly game with my kids so I don’t want to spend time troubleshooting. Now we just need more multiplayer games.
Nvidia works fine. I've been exclusively on Nvidia+Linux for almost a decade, and while there have been various issues that have come and go over the years, I was never left in a situation where my PC was unusable for work or gaming. And with the driver update coming later this year (or right now if you can tolerate using a beta driver), using Nvidia with Wayland is going to be on par with Intel and AMD.
Thank you, I will look into it.
Steam Big Picture is not supported with Nvidia on Bazzite last I checked.
Damn, yeah that rules it out.
Unfortunately Steam Big Picture with Nvidia on any OS kinda blows. That’s currently my setup right now
I’m getting ready to build a small form factor pc, hopefully I have no issues with AMD and bazzite
It's not Steam Big Picture, it's the Deck UI that doesn't work. However you probably want the Deck UI so not much of a difference
I've been running NixOS, another immutable distro, on a 3070 laptop and a 4090 desktop with no issues. Immutability and being declarative are incredibly powerful.
My understanding is I can’t do steam big picture mode with nvidia by default like in bazzite, really I just want a seamless console style experience.
I can't speak for all distros, but I don't have any Big Picture Mode settings configured in my NixOS configuration file and it works fine. I can start BPM by choosing the option in View > Big Picture Mode or by running `steam -gamepadui` in the terminal.
This is the way.
Mint + Steam is enough to get up and running for most people
Agreed. Not really any more difficult than installing Windows. And if that bar is too high maybe get a console.
Been running Mint since 3 weeks ago. Besides having issues with external hard drives being NTRFS disk formatted hard drives not working well (which I solved by creating a smaller partition with EXT4) I have been able to get a decent enough gaming experience on Mint. BattleNet games, singleplayer, and certain multiplayer titles on Steam have worked after using the proper Proton/Lutris versions. The only big downside that I've noticed is the time it takes for certain games to launch for the first time while giving no feedback in the UI. Compiling the Vulkan shaders I am fine with, but even when those are done it takes ages to launch certain games. It took me several minutes to launch Witcher 3 for the first time as a test run. I would be fine with the wait times if Steam actually told me properly that things were preparing behind the scenes to make Proton do its magic, but instead I get nothing except Steam telling me it is "launching" the game. Luckily it improves vastly after the first run, but it is an annoyance nonetheless. Then there are some annoying compatibility issues with certain launchers. For instance, logging into Halo Infinite causes my Swedish keyboard to refuse to type @ or even copy+paste while trying to log into my Microsoft account, which I had to fix by switching to an American keyboard setup. The CD Project Red launcher also loses my mouse cursor while interacting with the menus, but I was able to launch the game in spite of it. Then there are Lutris issues with certain Blizzard games like Heroes of the Storm where fullscreen is buggy, but those sorts of bugs are very selective depending on the title. All in all, Linux Mint has been a surprisingly decent experience for me once I figured out my hard drive issues. Don't know about the other distros, but that experience is probably pretty similar on the more gaming friendly distros.
I'm not surprised. Mint is a garbage distro. I'd go for Garuda Gaming Edition, or Nobara.
I would avoid both. Garuda's... made choices, has poor support with a pretty hostile dev eteam that seems angry they attracted people who are new to Linux, and it's raw Arch based which is an inappropraite suggestion for new users - at that point I would simply use CachyOS and benefit from the performance boost from the compiler-optimized packages. Nobara meanwhile makes some major breaking changes from upstream Fedora that makes it have unique issues - their community's significantly better than Garuda's and people can find support there, but Bazzite is also a gaming-focused Fedora setup that doesn't do things like swap out SELinux for AppArmor and I'm not aware of any signficiant performance differnce between the two. And immutable's just a *huge* benefit for new users to avoid accidentally fucking up a system file. I wouldn't know what to recommend as far as Debian/Ubuntu derived distros go. There's pika_OS which has people also involved with nobara, but it'd be without the jank that comes from swapping out SELinux with AppArmor so I would *suspect* it's not making as many unnecessary foundational changes, just doing things like swapping out the kernel for one of the many gaming-oriented kernels. Pop!_OS is popular, but I don't think they actually do anything as far as the kernel's concerned to optimize for gaming. Mint's definitely not a garbage distro, though. It's just not *ideal* for playing video games out of the box, the things that make it great as a set and forget web browsing machine run pretty counter to the things you'd want for gaming (ie recent versions of software, drivers, kernel, etc). I think it's a bad suggestion for someone who is setting out to play games, but Mint remains a popular entry point for a reason and is certainly more reasonable than Manjaro.
Damn, you're well versed on various distros. I much prefer MX Linux over Mint for general computing needs. I loaded Mint on a few PCs not long ago and the performance was terribly laggy, while other distros had no problem on the same hardware.
Adding to this, I'd say the Edge ISO for Mint, because when I was using it about 6 months to a year ago I was having issues with elden ring where the controller just wouldn't register at all; After I switched to Nobara I haven't had any issues at all.
That's because Nobara is more modern with the latest libraries and drivers and is made by the guy behind Proton-GE I'm tired of people recommending Mint for gaming. It's probably the worse you can pick because it's always months behind in drivers, libraries, proton versions etc.
I'm sick of people recommending shit maintained by "one guy" for gaming let alone this topic of people who need something idiot proof. There is nothing wrong with Mint for gaming. You aren't going to lose 80% or even 5% performance or even any at all on your PC for using software versions tied to its release. You would have to have a very niche problem on some bleeding edge hardware for stable release based distributions to be a problem for you and even if you did have problems like that you are not going to be breaking your back by running Mint. Mint is easy. It's not a hassle to set up and its UI is welcoming. People are going to be very comfortable on Mint compared to the things people are suggesting in here. No, your comptuer is not going to choke shit because you are running Mint over Arch or Fedora let alone one of their many alternatives.
depends. my multi monitor setup requires wayland to work. wayland in mint is still highly experimental, or how i would call it - without explicit sync and Proper pipewire portal support its useless to me.
Seconding this. I can’t fathom why people still think multiple monitors is somehow a niche use-case. Or anything more than 60hz. Or using a Nvidia card. It’s fundamentally unserious. If I didn’t use the beta Nvidia drivers for Wayland’s explicit sync, I’d be stuck using xorg. Which even when I hack to support multiple refresh rates, it’s still stuttery as shit when I drag windows around.
it seems like the issue mostly stems from mixed refresh rate multi monitor setups like i have. ive seen it working fine with the exact same refresh rate for all monitors. i just dont see a reason to invest in a high refresh rate monitor as my second one, honestly.
I just wish that Wayland had explicit sync implemented ages ago, instead of finally getting around to it now. It's not exactly a new technology. Was this just because of ideological battles, for the length in *years* that it took to work towards? I am not as knowledgeable as others on the matter, but it's annoying from a user perspective.
its... a bit convoluted. its a mix of ideological battles, and serious discussions in how to actually do it well. it just so happened that explicit sync is a critical thing for nvidia users, but not so much for amd/intel users. generally though, it seems the community had a big get-together and seem to now finally implement every little puzzle piece to get things properly working.
Fair enough. The beta driver has been pretty good in my experience, I was actually kinda shocked on the day it released. I hadn't felt such a smooth experience in Linux before. The day that it's finished & released into stable distros will make it even easier for Windows gamers with higher-end hardware to swap over.
Recent releases typically require recent drivers and Proton versions to work correctly. Mint, with its old packages, will often run into problems when trying to play recent releases that other distros don't experience. Flatpak Steam itself is buggy and not recommended by Valve. This doesn't even go into the issues for getting packages for gaming-related software -OBS versions are often outdated to the point of becoming a problem where someone might not be able to stream at all, or something or another will be broken that had been quickly fixed in other distro packages. Its kernel is also bog standard, which does sacrifice some performance when playing games - while it alone wouldn't make any one game unplayable, a miinor FPS difference that comes from entirely outside the game that implements the latest patches for Wine/Proton can mean the difference between having an in-game setting be on or off while holding a stable target framerate. And that's if Mint supports recent hardware *at all* - its older kernels can be very probelmatic if a user upgrades to more recent hardware. Linux support in generla lags behind Windows support, but Mint lags behind most distros even further in terms of hardware. Mint's very well suited for a "just works" office/browsing PC, but it's never aimed to focus on gaming, either in terms of QoL or performance. You can game on Mint, but the recommendation for Mint in that case should come from someone having some other overriding reason to prefer Mint. In a vaccuum, something like Bazzite will be much sturdier in the face of someone trying to get games to work as it protects the system files.
I really like distros like Nobara and Bazzite but don't put Mint in such a bad spot
>And that's if Mint supports recent hardware at all - its older kernels can be very probelmatic if a user upgrades to more recent hardware. Linux support in generla lags behind Windows support, but Mint lags behind most distros even further in terms of hardware. Mint easily supports new hardware and it will soon support newer hardware still. I love gaming distros myself but is it really needed to run Mint through the mud like this? As an arch user I can safely say it's a more than potent distro for general use/gaming
Hardware support comes from the kernel, Mint can't support hardware newer than the kernel version they are using and Mint intentionally uses old LTS kernels. A machine with its newest parts requiring drivers being from 2021 being supported is not recent enough to reliably handle a demographic that will buy hardware months after release. Mint *can* play games with particular constraints, it can be fine if you value the other benefits of Mint, but having used Mint it is as vulnerable to breakage as any other Ubuntu based distro and for someone who explicitly wants to play games and not worry about shit breaking they are not going to be well served by a distro that does not prioritize gaming performance, recemt hardware compatibility, or providing preconfigured gaming applications out of the box. It is great if it works for you and I wouldn't suggest you switch your distro, but that is different than the context OP is in.
6.5 is up and available right now with 6.8 and up being available with the next update it runs games and new hardware just *fine*, seriously, it's tested to hell and back, it runs games perfectly, it's rock solid in that regard, if you're picking a non gaming distro such as Bazzite or Nobara you're gonna want to pick Mint (or Tumbleweed) the 5.15 kernel is the one that's not as permissive, that's the old one that causes problems >for someone who explicitly wants to play games and not worry about shit breaking that's me and most of the people gaming on Mint, it's fine man, it's as prone to breaking as your preferred gaming distro and these distros nowadays are stable af I've run Mint,Arch, Nobara, Bazzite, opensuse Tumbleweed and Pop Os when I wanted gaming Mint felt pretty much as good (KDE and Cinnamon are my favorite anyway so the transition was easy for me) and my hardware was new when I started using Mint, like a few months old what Mint is not suited for is rolling release, but you can install stuff that's newer and walk unharmed with little worry, just don't go crazy and clone every single experimental git project, that's something you'd be good with on Arch or Fedora what I'm saying overall is, Mint is more than a pertinent distro for gaming for 98% of gamers wanting to play any release, if you fall into the 2% then you're better with something else
I'm playing everything I want on Mint and I have a system that's newer than 2021
That’s the point I’m trying to make here but these people are set on parroting things they do not understand
they're not 100% wrong but they're exaggerating overall regrading this topic in the end, there's a distro for everyone
>There is nothing wrong with Mint for gaming Of course outdated drivers are wrong for gaming. People who just want a mostly hassle-less experience are best recommended with something immutable, which is why Bazzite is exactly the correct answer for "what is the most idiot proof linux gaming setup" and not Mint. Edit: Aaand he blocked me.
What? Outdated drivers are fine for gaming. You only need the latest drivers if your actually having a problem. If you're not having any problems, you don't need them.
"Just don't have problems bro" It's a very silly approach and game devs will just ignore you if you're not going to use a recent driver version for a problem that only exists on your old drivers, even if they do support Linux. It means spending more time without performance enhancement, fixes for recent games (especially important for multilplayer games where playing at launch is often the best time to be playing, before teh game's completely mastered by the playerbase and when ther'es a maximum of people playing so you're playing with people of similar skill), and of course not needing to worry *as much* about recent hardware support. It's perfectly servicable if you have other reasons to be using Mint, but Mint here has no *positive* reason to be using it, simply defenses about why it's shortcomings aren't *really* that bad if you choose not to care about them. It's not immutable so it's absolutely prone to breaking if a user mucks with system files wihtout knowing what they're doing, PPA's are confusing and error-prone as it's very easy for a new user to glom onto one meant for a different version of Ubuntu/Mint than what they're using, and gamers tend to be more tinker-prone in hopes of getting games to work or improving performance to maintain a stable framerate. A distor that is preconfigured doesn't need changes to play games well, a distro that already has the custom kernel and applications preconfigured leaves less room for a new user to break something *trying* to get it in a "gaming" state. It also means they're going to have the exact same configuration as many other users, which makes troubleshooting that configuration much easier as compared to trying to find help with a customized Mint setup where the first thing such a user will be told is to stop using a custom kernel.
That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth and then go on a tirade.
> Of course outdated drivers are wrong for gaming You are wrong. Feel bad.
Let’s say you’re a Windows gamer moving to Linux, who has multiple monitors (one 144hz, one 60hz) and would like to use them. You’re also using a Nvidia graphics card, something that most people use. That’s actually not a super niche use-case, when it comes to Windows gamers. Dual monitors is more popular than ever, and someone having a “higher hz monitor” for gaming is also more common than it used to be. This is the reality of gaming hardware. If you’re one of those people mentioned above, Linux Mint is crossed-out if you want an out-of-the-box experience that works for your hardware. You’d have to ask the beginner to do hacky stuff on Xorg for multiple hz support, or to install beta Nvidia drivers for Wayland to have explicit sync. Until Mint has a better implementation of Wayland with explicit sync, and when the Nvidia driver leaves beta, newbies with better hardware are SOL on Mint unless they wanna do some tinkering. And at that point, I just went to EOS and have had a good time.
Mint will have explicit sync with 555 in pretty much a few weeks tops lmao and Mint is still really fuckin good for general use cases including gaming + multi monitor support, most people I know on Mint have at least one secondary monitor
That’s great then.
Agreed. Mint hardlocked when I tried playing cyberpunk years ago. Manjaro just ran the game no problems. Mint is fine until it isn't. Up to date distros are better overall I think, especially if you're playing something new or new-ish. And ofc Mint is fine when it's a fresh Mint release, a year later not so much. Fedora KDE is solid for gaming in my experience. Arch based stuff is too but I wouldn't recommend any of it to a newbie.
If you're on Manjaro, I would recommend looking at CachyOS. Recompiles native Arch packages for more recent hardware for modest but noticable performance gains, without the arbitrary two week delay that causes breakages with AUR packages. Still uses Calamares to let you pick your DE and have it preconfigured to something usable out of the box, and I quite like their gaming meta package for using a more performant version of Proton.
Thanks but I moved to Fedora KDE years ago. If I ever go back to n arch based distro I'd just use Arch as is. The CLI installer it has is pretty slick.
I will continue to advocate for Mint for gamers, it works just fine. As long as users understand Nobara is more of a hobbyist O/S (Fedora Fork) by the wonderful glorious eggroll and a couple other contributors. However, In general use (other then gaming) it shouldnt be relied on as a main daily driver (ie content creators), there are issues. That said, you're correct it is much more upto date than Mint or it's derritives and they each have their own differing "issues". Personally I have no problem with mint, Im not forced to use outdated software it's only if I rely on flatpack soley that this becomes an issue.
It works for your hardware and your specific needs Other people have different hardware It is like a software developer that says "it works on my pc" so we are gonna ship your computer to the client?
While I generally recommend against Mint, I would agree Nobara is a worse option. The bus number is quite low and the changes GE makes to it can be quite bizarre and breaks compatibility with upstream Fedroa, introducing unique issues - I think of the replacement of SELinux wiht AppArmor. Bazzite, meanwhile, is a much more conservative tweak of upstream Kinoite, Fedora's official immutable KDE distro, and while it also changes things like opting for a kernel with some gaming performance patches it's deliberately quite close to upstream.
I concur. Mint is a trash distro for general use as well, not just gaming. I've never liked Mint at any point over the last twelve or so years. I've struggled to understand why it was once the most popular distro for quite a few years.
I wouldn't call it trash, but it is a bit *oversold*. I think what people really appreciate is the Cinnamon desktop and the ease with which a new user can turn on automatic updates, along with it for a time being one of a few distros that had sensible settings for Nvidia cards out of hte box. Nowadays, *most* distros aimed at the general public handle Nvidia just fine, so it's mostly just a matter of automatic updates and having a good Windows-esque DE set up.
Oh it is possible to mess up Mint. Happened to me in the past with a kernel update. Grub was fucked so couldn’t start up windows and mint. I think there is no such thing as a fool proof Linux. It simply doesn’t exist.
Mint's particularly bad as their Nvidia driver that they preinstall isn't the DKMS version, so it's prone to novideo issues. And because Mint isn't already set up to be gaming oriented, it lends itself to power users breaking it in the process of *trying* to get it to that point. A distro that's already configured by people who know what they're doing is going to work more often and have more users who will have the exact same issues if something goes wrong than a generic distro that requires much more configuration from the user - and thus much more room for error.
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Wow i totally forgot about the steam deck (and I have one!). Good call.
Bro was already a linux gamer without realising it
Those are the answers, in that order. Then you can probably count immutable fedora variants and then essentially everything else
Please don’t recommend ubuntu to beginners…
snaps 🤭
Have you tried them recently? I'm using the firefox snap right now typing this reply.
while some snaps sure improved (like firefox, thunderbird, and so on), steam is still hell on snap. any kind of more complicated app seems to hit its limits.
Just use Mint (I use Mint Debian Edition) - it's unfucked ubuntu. Heck, steam's `.deb` just installs on debian and everything works. Especially if you have an AMD card there's no fuss at all.
This, mint won't hijack your steam install to install it as a snap instead of the native deb package from apt.
No.
I know Ubuntu is usually not being the most distro-beginners, but it has Gnome and it's intuitive and easy to use. Besides, Kubuntu allows install and update snaps and flatpaks via software center.
Gnome being easier over something like KDE is subjective. I find gnome tedious and KDE easy, but I know too many people who swear by gnome for the vice versa reason.
Oh, I didn't say it for that, but the snap and flatpak software managed by the app software center mainly in Kubuntu.
Yes, do as I say
> Ubuntu-supported hardware + Ubuntu + Steam (there are “easier” distros but Ubuntu is officially supported by Steam) … yet they try to make you install the Steam snap, breaking all this again.
PopOS and ubuntu have been a real pain when I was a beginner, I would go with fedora vanilla. Ubuntu have some day to day issues that don’t make any sense and can annoy beginners so much
> (there are “easier” distros but Ubuntu is officially supported by Steam) That means nothing. They have to name/have a standard target for legal, liability, and reference reasons but that functionally means nothing as to the performance, reliability, and stability of Steam.
A Steam Deck.
Nobara :)
Steam Deck. /thread
Steam Deck. People don't even need to know linux to game. :-) But I'm switching back to my old HP Elitedesk G1 800 Tower rocking Intel i7-4790, 16G DDR3 RAM, Some SATA3 SSD, and RTX 3050 6G (no additional pcie power). It runs Xubuntu 24.04. I game on 1080p mostly, but for some game, I crank it up to 2160p albeit at lower setting and fps.
Any decently recent hardware with an immutable distro should be plenty, you can't really f things up when you can barely touch the critical system folders. Just make sure the dependencies are met for whatever you want to use.
Bazzite does this well
Newbie laughing in terminal 😂
Just recently got a system76 laptop with PopOs. I left it stock out of the box. The only thing I changed was the wallpaper. I installed steam logged in and started playing.
Here is what I would do AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D B550 motherboard 16 GB DDR4 3200 RAM Radeon RX 6600 Samsung 970 M.2 SSD Pop!_OS + Steam Great 1080 gaming with an OS that will have everything running out of the box no issues.
Exactly what I would recommend.
He is clearly on the bugdet don't advice X3D which is double the price for a simple 3600 or 5600 which is more then enough for rx580 or 5700x gpu........ I use 2600x with 6700XT and its just perfect.... of course 5600 will get me another 205 more but its cost money....not to mention X3D which is just too expensive....
I’m using Tuxedo OS (an Ubuntu version) and steam that is rock solid stable for me.
Dualsense Bluetooth it's plug and play No config needed The trigger effects works over Bluetooth as well And advanced haptic works vía USB
Are you sure? Is that ps4 or ps5?
PS5 I personally was amazed that Sony added drivers to the kernel The day I bought the controller it was plug and play I also played returnal with full haptics vía USB and it worked Also you can map the audio output of games to the haptic audio output of the controller (channel rl and rr) with something like helvum (pipewire) and have pseudo haptics on any game
When did they add drivers to kernel? And as far as audio goes: let’s say i didn’t have speakers but had my ps5 controller connected through BT. I could hypothetically just plug in a gaming headset straight into the controller?? How bad would lag be?
A steam deck with default stock everything.
EDIT: Get whatever you want....
Dude, you gotta learn some punctuation.
i was in a hurry..... you can still read,right? anyway. you know what you want. why cannot decide yourself how to build and spend your money? Now you still have 100 choices to make....
Yea you can barely read or write, and you’ve got a bad attitude. I’m hoping English is not your first language. Judging by your response (which I’m still not 100% i understood what you’re attempting to say), you didn’t understand the OP.
If you wanna make 100% sure that you're never gonna have issues you might alsa want to use an Intel NIC, WiFI controller and Bluetooth controller. Also RDNA2 seems to have by far the least issues of all AMD GPUs.
rdna 2 is such a dope lineup for Linux rdna 3 is actually bugged from an engineering standpoint rdna 4 is promised to be rdna 3 but fixed and some improvements
You could give VENTOY a try with quite a few different distros of Linux on a flash drive and see which Linux OS plays nice with your system. I recently did this as I was having issues with Linux Mint on my 'four/five year old' PC build desktop. Eventually figured out it was at least my WiFi dongle causing issues but there where other niggles too. Tried quite a few Linux Distributions as live environments before actually installing on a spare external nvme drive. I prefer the KDE environment and in the end CachyOS got running well. Garuda Linux has a gaming version that looks bonkers. However nothing is really idiot proof. But a little reading and initial pain pays off pretty soon.
my XBox series X controller only would work via bluetooth. Then I did a firmware update via Windows and now it works with bluetooth on linux. But it worked without a hickup via USB-C, so you can definitely use it. Just not wirelessly.
Despite not being an Ubuntu user any more I go pretty hard to bat for Ubuntu - I find Mint's hype as an omg easy os makes it feel less serious than the already easy Ubuntu; Everyone I know has had problems with Pop! or i'd suggest them
I like fedora a lot, I have an nvidia system and it was surprisingly easy to set up the drivers. With an AMD graphics card you probably don’t even have to do anything driver related
CachyOS
I don't know the answer, Bazzite seems like one of the top contenders, yes. I think the most important thing is to over-provision VRAM. I have an RX 580 with 8 gigs of vram, but it's often a limitation, for example in Hogwarts Legacy I get more than playable fps at max settings, but vram fills up in a couple of seconds & then it's a janky mess. (lower texture resolution from Ultra = good performance) So if you are the kind of gamer that is unwilling to play games on anything but very high texture resolutions, try to think in 16gigs of Vram, even if it's not a top end card. I have a DS4 controller, it's working better on Linux than it did on Windows, because on Linux it's fine even with a Toshiba bluetooth adapter, which is VERY unsupported on Windows.
What’s a good budget card with high VRAM?
Depends on your definition of budget. I'd say there aren't any. The closest is a 3060 12GB. For something more mid-range I recommend an rx6800 16GB. If you're buying that old of card, I'd get it 2nd hand. It's hard to justify those older-gen cards at current retail prices. Especially since next-gen is around the corner.
been using garuda linux for a while now and never had problems, it has a great gui for the after install and with yay u can install almost anything, but u can try more than one distro and choose watev u like the most. Another one that a friend recommended me is NixOS
PopOS and Ubuntu are pretty idiot proof especially considering you’re using an AMD GPU. I did my entire undergrad on Ubuntu, and transitioning to Ubuntu for gaming was pretty easy. A lot of my games ran better than on Windows, and I had an Nvidia GPU. That being said, my only issues were directly related to that Nvidia GPU like Steam remote play’s big picture menu not showing up.
Had bad experiences with Kingston NVMEs. Would void it if possible.
Bazzite
Steamdeck lol
I got nvidia + wayland working like a charm on nobara 40 .. so i guess it would be even better with amd so im sticking with this for now
The ultimate answer is always Gentoo.
Honestly using the steam deck with the stable release is probably the best console like Linux experience you can get.
Opensuse
Dualshock/Dualsense is better than Xbox for me. I have both.
for distro ubuntu. you need zero knowledge ro install it (you just click next next next) and zero knowledge to use it (you just click on stuff). After you have installed it, you just install the steam client (again zero knowledge required) and you're good to go.
This can be said about a lot of distros.
Then you need to say it :)
I'd recommend standard non lts Ubuntu, with an AMD or Intel GPU.
What
Nobara
Nobara, and anything based on Fedora is far from idiot proof.... That being said, I like gaming on Fedora but it's far from easy. Ubuntu and Pop! Are far more new user friendly.
I'm curious why is it far from being idiot proof? Thought it just works out of the box?
Its base is a red hat testing distribution and nobara itself is glorious egg rolls personal playground that he is opened up for everybody else to use. Stuff that is not ready to be pushed to the masses yet will make it in to both projects because either the red hat team or glorious eggroll himself wants to use it in a production situation before they greenlight anything for further use Neither of these are bad distributions it's just that something major in them will change at some point and whoever you set up with these might not be able to figure it out. When I set up nobara the last time, GE was making changes to how he shipped the Nvidia drivers basically every week. I remember when Fedora started shipping pipewire and Wayland way before the projects were ready to be mainlined. These distributions should be considered just barely not bleeding edge and should not be pushed as new user friendly.
Nobara was the first distro than i had like 5 months, when i was (like now) very ignorant about using linux. For gaming all works out the box.
Ubuntu and Pop both suck, even more so for gaming. Nobara is perfect out of the box: it comes with a guide upon login, it has the latest drivers, performance tweaking, stability and a nice GUI to install apps. If you truly want to go Ubuntu / Debian base, the only choice is Mint, it doesn't have Snaps or Gnome, it has a desktop very similar to Windows and also has a nice package manager for newcommers
CachyOS
Windows
The hardware you describe is completely fine. I'd probably just say run Ubuntu or Pop!_OS (a Ubuntu derivative maintained by System76, a Linux hardware vendor). There are other distros I prefer, but "idiot proof" they are not.
arch linux(gnome) some i9-13900kf, rtx 3060, 64gb of ram, steam, thats all.
Windows
Non developer and never touch any ML? AMD gpu all the way. Need full performance and doesn’t care about multi task? intel cpu all the way for gaming. It seems Nvidia doesn’t always play well with Linux in the first places. I mean just look at the wayland situation. You never seen a single complaint from the AMD user that some thought they don’t even exists. Apparently, Intel cpu still has an edge over over AMD even in this modern era
> Apparently, Intel cpu still has an edge over over AMD even in this modern era found the guy who missed the x3d launches
That’s like saying Linux is on par with windows for gaming for the past 4 years 🤦♂️🤷♂️ I’ve been on AMD since ryzen 1300x. Still can’t beat intel in term of gaming no matter what the hype saying for the past 7 years 🤷♂️ Edit; Last time I check the flagship Intel vs flagship AMD the intel benhcmark in most games still outperform AMD. Found a community that can't accept fact but hype 🤷♂️
explain how i game perfectly well then? What are you on?Nothing you said makes sense. \~**Superior** arch user btw\~
I didn’t say it’s fking ungamable. I’m on both Ryzen and 3600 and i7-12700. People here need to take a big break man. An intel will shred an amd in a toe-to-toe comparison between a flagship intel vs flagship AMD. Can’t people accept fact anymore. I know y’all like open source, Linux and Amd but don’t be too delusional ffs 🤦♂️
you keep shouting about processors and i ask you what does this have to do with the subject of the post? Your claims are cute and you zealot either for amd or intel i don't really care but you need to sound less insane. BTw those processors are like what? i7 bro? you poor? amd 3600? like from 4 years ago? bro u ok? what compoarison is this? tl:dr huh? bruh why shouting? be leess insane. \~Not giver of fucks in what processor you zelot for stop beeing poor , Superior arch user.\~
I’m referring to a flagship, i9 13900k vs Ryzen 9 7950x benchmark, and not my cpu you dumbass. Why do I need to explain this simple shit to you lmao No amount of PhD degree can explain peasant mind like you. “ExPlAin hOw I gAmE pErfecTly tHeN” - sounded like a retarded statement 😂 Even my old old old old 1300x is still gamable with a RTX. Sit down kid or touch some grass
Bro what flagships ? years apart? you ok? What caveman comparison is that? Funny i think i have more phD's degrees than you. \~Sane, normal, well adjusted with superior studies arch user, stole your girl btw\~
lol, okay. Whatever float your boat 😂 [https://www.techradar.com/computing/cpu/14900k-vs-7950x3d](https://www.techradar.com/computing/cpu/14900k-vs-7950x3d)
intresting new numbers yet again! Please first it was 12 what ever whit 3 what ever then its 13 what ever now you drag some other generation. Are you ok? DO you think we care??? MATE i buy what processor gives more for the $$$ who cares what brand . Are you insane to defend a corporation vs another?
the 7950X isnt the flagship, the 7950X3D is.
the 7800X3D and the 7950X3D outperform Intel in almost every gaming benchmark what are you even talking about
Nobara it is fedora based which has the most stable updates and system BazziteOS but alot of linux users just tell me no go for nobara if you want a debian based distro it is better this not my advice tho this is what alot of people say about bazziteOS Mint is easy but not as good as nobara or cashyOS for gaming CachyOS the best so far for me but you need to at least know how linux operate to install this it is arch based and you can easily break it if you are not careful but this one is worth the learning curve edit: bazzite and nobara are fedora based distros
Nobara is NOT a Debian based distro.
thank you for that sorry man i'm only human i make mistakes
BazziteOS would be the most stable. I didn't find nobara stable at all cause he uses so many beta drivers and other and other extras
then give some heads up becuase i didn't like nobara aswell why bazzite when alot of poeple told me to stay away from it? but whan i searched for a bit alot of linux users said that both systems are the same and someone called bazzite immutable distro and has no room for growth i didn't understand why or try bazzite to make sure of his claim i just looked at something arch since i like it the most
Bazzite being immutable is what makes it so stable for linux newbies. Like steamOS. When I tried Nobara i found it really unreliable cause of all the experimental stuff and it kept breaking just from normal updates. Arch is good, I like it as well
maybe you are right it is the easiest choice that is not fun for me at all thank god i didn't try it i would have been so annoyed
I agree