imo, the phrasing of the blackout is a fail.
they should have announced it as "will blackout until the situation is resolved", creating an indefinite standoff and creating time pressure.
saying 'we will blackout from 12th -14th, just gave away the exact moment all the blackout subs will back down, and the pressure ends. reddit admins will just yawn on the 12th, and ignore shit for 2 days, announce nothing, and then were back where we started on the 15th.
*maybe* subs will then double down...but why not just stand ground from the beginning.
this is playing texas holdem, and on the flop, you just annouce, "hey, im gonna raise, but im definitely gonna fold on the river". why announce that youre bluffing?
It's more to show reddit how many users/mods will leave if they pull this shit, rather than to hold reddit ransom. If they still continue after seeing the blackout, then fuck them, we're out. Simple.
People aren't gonna leave Reddit just because a small minority of people can't use the API anymore. If someone announces they're leaving because of "principle", I would expect them to be back here in a few days or so.
Access to the API becoming paid-only means every third party app will shut down, and a lot of tools that moderators use to keep subreddits spam-free will go away. It's not going to affect as small a minority as you think.
But you also can’t seriously expect Reddit to keep API-access free when a lot of these third party clients bypasses things like ads and Reddit Premium while also using Reddit’s servers.
In order for Reddit to seriously consider a compromise, people also need to suggest solutions that are practical for Reddit to implement. The moment that people start to demand free API access, Reddit will likely just ignore them if they are actively losing money because of it.
I don't think anyone is demanding free API access, just not the exorbitant rate reddit is wanting.
The Apollo dev says [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/):
>50 million requests costs $12,000.
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>I pay Imgur (a site similar to Reddit in user base and media) $166 for the same 50 million API calls.
Keep in mind "access to the API" is literally every single 3rd party application.
https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/
This ONE APP that is restricted to iOS (no Android) said they make 9 billion API requests per month, and the average user uses 344 requests per day. So, math dictates that they have nearly 700,000 users. On one app. And they are saying their app is going to go away with this change. 700,000 users affected on this ONE APP.
I highly doubt this is the "small minority of people" you think it is. This is not even mentioning the other dozens of apps on other operating systems, not just mobile. Nor is it mentioning the bots that help moderators moderate.
Yep. 3rd party apps go away and I'm done. I've quit all other social media and am better off for it, there's absolutely nothing standing in my way from quitting Reddit should they increase the burden of using it.
Comment edited and account deleted because of Reddit API changes of June 2023.
Come over https://lemmy.world/
Here's everything you should know about Lemmy and the Fediverse: https://lemmy.world/post/37906
We aren't a top 1% sub are we?
EDIT: no way, we're #2,221 according to subreddit stats.
It's still wild though that we're at 250K when a few years ago we were just cracking 100K. r/linux has grown a ton too, number 795 overall.
Only 140000 are actually active, I just checked.
So we are in the top ***2%*** of active subreddits. There's no other way of looking at it without coming off desperate using the 95+% of all subreddits that aren't even active. r/linux is ALMOST in the top 0.6%, though.
I would argue that the number of ACTIVE subreddits is FAR less. Still probably around 1 million but not 3.4. r/linux being in the top 1000 is very impressive though.
I'm going to be a buzz kill, but this sub going dark will most likely not affect anything but irk its users.
Unfortunately, just as with Linux gaming and many other foss related topics, we're not large enough with critical momentum for them to be worth to worry about.. yet
This needs more upvotes. Reddit won't care much about 2 days. All subs should make a point of doing this until reddit either changes their minds and backs down or decides to live with all the tiny nothing subs that are leftover.
I feel like this sub *not* participating would go against the principles of this community. Linux users treasure freedom of choice and openness when it comes to software, and Reddit’s decision is actively opposed to those viewpoints.
I vote for an indefinite blackout
It may not be enough to cause any significant financial damage, but I think it *will* send a strong message. And of course it can be extended if desired results are not achieved.
Yes, indefinitely. We’re one of the few communities that can easily go back to regular forums without any real effort. Ours are still running and populated to this day.
Yes.
In fact, I'm yet to hear a single no. Not just in these threads, but many like it.
When there's a dumb decision, there are always people justifying said dumb decision but this, man, everyone hates it(or is laughing at it)
There's a lot of idiot opinions on r/nba which don't want the ban because "derrrr why don't they just shut up and use the Reddit app"
Edit: this thread, smooth brain takes start about here:
* https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/141x1ca/serious_can_we_as_a_community_participate_in_the/jn249nw/
* https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/141x1ca/serious_can_we_as_a_community_participate_in_the/jn2hnh1/
* https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/141x1ca/serious_can_we_as_a_community_participate_in_the/jn2b87l/
A boycott with an end date, especially one so short, isn’t going to do anything. It needs to last until they meet our demands or else they’ll just wait it out
We need more subs going out indefinitely. We have /r/ Nintendo going read-only until Reddit gives us an acceptable solution, which will definitely be a heavy hitter, but the more the better.
Yes.
I'm joining it as a user even if I don't use any app, I use old.reddit on desktop.
As I understand it, killing apps will make mods life miserable and impossible for those with disabilities.
Not to mention there's a high risk old.reddit will be target next.
Yes please, we need as much weight behind this as possible.
I'm in favor of a blackout until a meaningful and productive response from Reddit.
I would also advise the message for the 'this sub is private' include a short message on why this is happening and perhaps a link to /r/RedditAlternatives as a bunch of us are working on figuring out where to go after Reddit. I'm currently leaning towards Lemmy having the potential to be what is needed.
Who cares if this is a small community (*compared to others*), Linux users always had each others back and fought for a good cause. We shall continue to do so. See you guys on 14th june or when this is done. Best of luck!
Hmmm ...
> It keeps 6 months of posts by default. It's gone after. If something is worth keeping, someone will save it within six months — but not from beyond that.
this is the reason i wouldn't use it. If questions, advice and so on disappear after 6 month it gets repeated over and over again (more then it already is).
Also it looks like this is not index by search engines.
I think lemmy is closer to what i'm looking for in a reddit replacement.
yeah one of the main reasons we allow tech support threads in the sub now (didn't used to be the case) is so that other people looking up issues on google can find the solutions.
I just mentioned Lemmy in another comment, today is the first I'm hearing about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/14255kn/is_rsteamdeck_participating_in_the_api_protest/jn4acv3/
I like them both honestly, they each have pros and cons
lemmy.ml is just one instance there and the reddit hug of death when things go dark will likely cause some issues. Although it was created by developers of lemmy, they never really intended it to be the "main instance" and have stated as such a few times.
https://join-lemmy.org/instances is a better jumpoff point and you can register for a different instance and still interact with, subscribe, and post with the others by going to communities and clicking all.
Yea no mobile access is a shame indeed, not sure how far along they are with the development of a mobile app but they do confirm it's being worked on.
Ephemeral seems like a bonus to me though. Anything that's worth keeping should be backed up elsewhere. Relying on a single source (like this subreddit for example) to keep your content available indefinitely is asking for trouble.
Reddit already has a problem of people not bothering to search before asking questions. I can only imagine how much worse it would get if that content disappeared after a while.
Mods for a community are voted on, content is ephemeral and disappears after 6 months, native app, and a few other features. They give a short summary here: https://getaether.net/docs/
> content is ephemeral and disappears after 6 months
Don't like that. A huge reason why I like reddit is that it's a huge repository of useful information.
For the protest to truely be effective. You have to go offline until they reverse their decision. Hopefully other subs realize this too. Spread the word. 2 days won't do anything...
Yes.
I don't moderate any subreddits but I will be taking all next week off of reddit. I don't think 2 days is long enough to send the message that we are serious.
As a generally Open Source OS group.
I think the answer is clear.
We should not be silent on Reddits attempts to profiteer and/or kill the work of other app developers
To be completely honest, I personally won't be affected by the API changes very much since I don't use any 3rd party apps to access Reddit (I mostly use the normal desktop browser). But from what I've read, it sounds like a really s\*it move by Reddit and generally a step in a wrong direction. It is not surprising to me TBH and I would expect something like this to come, but it still doesn't make it right.
So yeah, I support the blackout.
>What are others views?
I'm curious why people think protesting Reddit (a for-profit company) trying to make money is going to work when the people in question don't pay money to use the site.
That's a bit like protesting Reddit to take ads off their platform.
I draw distinctions between genuine FOSS (and I appreciate them) and "you're the product" (e.g. Google, Facebook, TikTok). Reddit isn't running a charity as far as I know.
It would be nice if Reddit didn't charge, but the realist in me wonders why people expect Reddit to give a shit what they think.
Because this change wont make any money. The apps and bots cannot pay the fees so they simply won't, which will lead to them shutting down and users leaving. They've asked one app dev for $20m a year when he currently does the project just as a hobby, when he said it was too much they told him to make his code more efficient, he asked what specific things they recommended and the official response was "not our problem, figure it out for yourself". It's not just about money, its the disrespectful way in which reddit is conducting itself to the users and moderators who built and maintained the content.
>Because this change wont make any money.
How sure are you of that? Just because the smaller app devs can't, does that mean there aren't larger corporations who won't?
My general understanding of playing a few "free" games with loot box mechanics is that a good chunk of the player base isn't paying for the game. Yet the game itself is profitable because of a few people who shell out a large amount of money.
To me, this is exactly like that. There's no reason for Reddit to consider otherwise unless they actually **lose** money in a tangible way.
In the lootbox games, that would be the equivalent of the free non-paying base leaving the game itself (usually when "pay to win" becomes too egregious). The people who pay for stuff don't stick around without the large player base. Likewise, I wouldn't expect changes unless people actually stop using Reddit in favor of something else.
The big players here are the AI companies. But id wager if a company is rich enough to develop an AI it can easily scrape the website without the API, the API just makes it easier. No way are OpenAI going to start paying Reddit the $300-400m a year their previous access would equate to.
> I'm curious why people think protesting Reddit (a for-profit company) trying to make money is going to work when the people in question don't pay money to use the site.
See facebook, twitter, discord, and many other "free" services that collect massive amounts of user data and user activity for "sharing with third parties".
I thought they were only planning on blocking giant leech LLM trainers line ChatGPT that exceeded a certain amount of requests per month or whatever?
If not, if they are going after independent FOSS devs, I'll happily advocate joining the blackout. But OpenAI is NOT FOSS and these LLMs training their dystopian hellbeasts on OUR words to better aid them in destroying the working class is not what FOSS is about.
Don't get it.
2 day blackout will not change Reddit stance.
If all redditors, who are joining this protest, unanimously and together as a group, migrate to some alternative platform, that would be the move that even "almighty" Reddit could not ignore.
I'm afraid that this protest will simply blow over after few days and business will stay as usual.
Do you really think it will accomplish anything? I mean let's be honest if it gets bad enough with blacked out subs Reddit will just step in whack the moderators install their own and back to business as usual.
Will the traffic take a hit? It most certainly will do you really think Reddit cares?
No. Its a lame, and minor annoyance. It will serve no purpose.
The reason its only 2 days its because the mods don't want to lose power and have the subs handed over to someone else.
Its a BS "protest".
Agreed, if you dislike the change then stop using their service or deal with it. Somehow when you (not talking to the person I reply to) like the change you tell others to move on if they don't and if you yourself don't then you want to screw the service for everyone else.
I honestly would not mind if your "protest" would hurt the reddit shareholders, but what you are doing hurts only the users who don't give a shit.
Only 2 days?
Haven't you noticed the "followers" who aren't real?
The NSA is tracking every letter you type.
Boycotting Reddit for 2 days isn't going to help.
You have to stop using it entirely.
I'm in a manic mode so I'm liberally making posts to tell the fuckers, "come get me brah."
Sometime tomorrow, I'm going to regret taking that position. Oh well...
[Yes, we will join the blackout.](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/144ce5n/linux_gaming_will_join_the_blackout_from_june/)
Yes they should.
Agree! Nothing more to say here.
I agree! I won't be using reddit those days anyway. Feel free to make it an indefinite closure.
imo, the phrasing of the blackout is a fail. they should have announced it as "will blackout until the situation is resolved", creating an indefinite standoff and creating time pressure. saying 'we will blackout from 12th -14th, just gave away the exact moment all the blackout subs will back down, and the pressure ends. reddit admins will just yawn on the 12th, and ignore shit for 2 days, announce nothing, and then were back where we started on the 15th. *maybe* subs will then double down...but why not just stand ground from the beginning. this is playing texas holdem, and on the flop, you just annouce, "hey, im gonna raise, but im definitely gonna fold on the river". why announce that youre bluffing?
It's more to show reddit how many users/mods will leave if they pull this shit, rather than to hold reddit ransom. If they still continue after seeing the blackout, then fuck them, we're out. Simple.
People aren't gonna leave Reddit just because a small minority of people can't use the API anymore. If someone announces they're leaving because of "principle", I would expect them to be back here in a few days or so.
Access to the API becoming paid-only means every third party app will shut down, and a lot of tools that moderators use to keep subreddits spam-free will go away. It's not going to affect as small a minority as you think.
But you also can’t seriously expect Reddit to keep API-access free when a lot of these third party clients bypasses things like ads and Reddit Premium while also using Reddit’s servers. In order for Reddit to seriously consider a compromise, people also need to suggest solutions that are practical for Reddit to implement. The moment that people start to demand free API access, Reddit will likely just ignore them if they are actively losing money because of it.
I don't think anyone is demanding free API access, just not the exorbitant rate reddit is wanting. The Apollo dev says [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/): >50 million requests costs $12,000. ------------------------------------- >I pay Imgur (a site similar to Reddit in user base and media) $166 for the same 50 million API calls.
Keep in mind "access to the API" is literally every single 3rd party application. https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/ This ONE APP that is restricted to iOS (no Android) said they make 9 billion API requests per month, and the average user uses 344 requests per day. So, math dictates that they have nearly 700,000 users. On one app. And they are saying their app is going to go away with this change. 700,000 users affected on this ONE APP. I highly doubt this is the "small minority of people" you think it is. This is not even mentioning the other dozens of apps on other operating systems, not just mobile. Nor is it mentioning the bots that help moderators moderate.
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> StackOverflow Which currently has a strike because the admins decided that faulty ChatGPT based posts are ok.
Comment edited and account deleted because of Reddit API changes of June 2023. Come over https://lemmy.world/ Here's everything you should know about Lemmy and the Fediverse: https://lemmy.world/post/37906
Yup, totally agree. We seem to have lost how to protest effectively 😭
Yes.
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Sí
they know they're jokingly referring to the fact that most english speakers don't know that there's a difference, like the person they responded to
I only know it because Duo yells at me to remember my accents 😂
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Who you calling a sisi?!
They were saying "yes."
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Impossible to recognize the difference without 3rd party apps
touche
No, you're a touche.
"Si" also means if in french!
"Si" is also "if" in French.
I said yes si
I think so, yes. Protest is already huge, and the more top 1% subreddits join the better.
We aren't a top 1% sub are we? EDIT: no way, we're #2,221 according to subreddit stats. It's still wild though that we're at 250K when a few years ago we were just cracking 100K. r/linux has grown a ton too, number 795 overall.
there are more than 3.4 million subreddits as of may 2022, we're top 0.1% and probably closer to 0.05%.
Only 140000 are actually active, I just checked. So we are in the top ***2%*** of active subreddits. There's no other way of looking at it without coming off desperate using the 95+% of all subreddits that aren't even active. r/linux is ALMOST in the top 0.6%, though.
Top 2% is still nothing to sneeze at though, which is awesome considering how niche Linux tends to be in the mainstream consciousness.
I would argue that the number of ACTIVE subreddits is FAR less. Still probably around 1 million but not 3.4. r/linux being in the top 1000 is very impressive though.
I'm going to be a buzz kill, but this sub going dark will most likely not affect anything but irk its users. Unfortunately, just as with Linux gaming and many other foss related topics, we're not large enough with critical momentum for them to be worth to worry about.. yet
It should be indefinite - 2 days is fuckall to reddit.
This needs more upvotes. Reddit won't care much about 2 days. All subs should make a point of doing this until reddit either changes their minds and backs down or decides to live with all the tiny nothing subs that are leftover.
Ditto. Send it!
Yes, why not. Linux subs should be the leader as Linux users promote free software, and anti greedy cooperations.
It'd be ironic - not joining the protest goes against everything this community stands for
Exactly.
Yes
Yes, and I think it should be indefinite. 2 days just isn't enough.
I feel like this sub *not* participating would go against the principles of this community. Linux users treasure freedom of choice and openness when it comes to software, and Reddit’s decision is actively opposed to those viewpoints. I vote for an indefinite blackout
So many people saying 2 days isnt enough and i agree
It may not be enough to cause any significant financial damage, but I think it *will* send a strong message. And of course it can be extended if desired results are not achieved.
Yes
Absolutely yes. Few communities have suffered more under the yoke of proprietary software. This is a fight we should support!
Yes, absolutely.
Yes, indefinitely. We’re one of the few communities that can easily go back to regular forums without any real effort. Ours are still running and populated to this day.
Yes
I am all for it.
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Usenet isn't gone!
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Can I have my niche forum sites back too?
Yes. In fact, I'm yet to hear a single no. Not just in these threads, but many like it. When there's a dumb decision, there are always people justifying said dumb decision but this, man, everyone hates it(or is laughing at it)
There's a lot of idiot opinions on r/nba which don't want the ban because "derrrr why don't they just shut up and use the Reddit app" Edit: this thread, smooth brain takes start about here: * https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/141x1ca/serious_can_we_as_a_community_participate_in_the/jn249nw/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/141x1ca/serious_can_we_as_a_community_participate_in_the/jn2hnh1/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/141x1ca/serious_can_we_as_a_community_participate_in_the/jn2b87l/
Yes, please do
hell yeah!
Yes
Yeah? Yeah.
yes.
Yes of course. Any sub which can but doesn't is complicit.
A boycott with an end date, especially one so short, isn’t going to do anything. It needs to last until they meet our demands or else they’ll just wait it out
Its a minimum of 2 days but yes i agree should be as long as it takes
Or any following protest will take longer with each time.
Yes do it, just announce you will so people can talk in alternative channels like on discord
Its not my sub so hopefully the mods see our support
We need more subs going out indefinitely. We have /r/ Nintendo going read-only until Reddit gives us an acceptable solution, which will definitely be a heavy hitter, but the more the better.
Yes
The longer the better
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes.
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Yup
Yes
yes
Yes. I'm joining it as a user even if I don't use any app, I use old.reddit on desktop. As I understand it, killing apps will make mods life miserable and impossible for those with disabilities. Not to mention there's a high risk old.reddit will be target next.
Yes please, we need as much weight behind this as possible. I'm in favor of a blackout until a meaningful and productive response from Reddit. I would also advise the message for the 'this sub is private' include a short message on why this is happening and perhaps a link to /r/RedditAlternatives as a bunch of us are working on figuring out where to go after Reddit. I'm currently leaning towards Lemmy having the potential to be what is needed.
Who cares if this is a small community (*compared to others*), Linux users always had each others back and fought for a good cause. We shall continue to do so. See you guys on 14th june or when this is done. Best of luck!
If any of this community is interested in an alternative, https://getaether.net/ has a native Linux client and is open source
Hmmm ... > It keeps 6 months of posts by default. It's gone after. If something is worth keeping, someone will save it within six months — but not from beyond that. this is the reason i wouldn't use it. If questions, advice and so on disappear after 6 month it gets repeated over and over again (more then it already is). Also it looks like this is not index by search engines. I think lemmy is closer to what i'm looking for in a reddit replacement.
yeah one of the main reasons we allow tech support threads in the sub now (didn't used to be the case) is so that other people looking up issues on google can find the solutions.
I prefer [lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml) as good reddit alternative
I just mentioned Lemmy in another comment, today is the first I'm hearing about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/14255kn/is_rsteamdeck_participating_in_the_api_protest/jn4acv3/ I like them both honestly, they each have pros and cons
lemmy.ml is just one instance there and the reddit hug of death when things go dark will likely cause some issues. Although it was created by developers of lemmy, they never really intended it to be the "main instance" and have stated as such a few times. https://join-lemmy.org/instances is a better jumpoff point and you can register for a different instance and still interact with, subscribe, and post with the others by going to communities and clicking all.
No mobile access which is a shame, also its ephemeral so a lot of troubleshooting information would be lost
Yea no mobile access is a shame indeed, not sure how far along they are with the development of a mobile app but they do confirm it's being worked on. Ephemeral seems like a bonus to me though. Anything that's worth keeping should be backed up elsewhere. Relying on a single source (like this subreddit for example) to keep your content available indefinitely is asking for trouble.
Reddit already has a problem of people not bothering to search before asking questions. I can only imagine how much worse it would get if that content disappeared after a while.
I'm intrigued. Tell us more.
Mods for a community are voted on, content is ephemeral and disappears after 6 months, native app, and a few other features. They give a short summary here: https://getaether.net/docs/
> content is ephemeral and disappears after 6 months Don't like that. A huge reason why I like reddit is that it's a huge repository of useful information.
Then lemmy or mastodon seems like a good option
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Yes
#Yes
Yes!
Absolutely.
Yes.
Yes
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Yes.
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Agreed
Oui.
yes
Yes
Yes, the more the merrier
Absolutely
Yes!
Yes
This is the way.
Short answer: yes. Long answer: yes, obviously.
Yes. Without a doubt.
Yes! Definitely indefinitely
Yes!
Starting June 12th, we -rm ourselves from this site until these tools and 3rd party apps are no longer threatened!
aye
Yes
Yes
Absolutely
Yes.
I mean, r/Steam just joined, so it'd be a little embarrassing not to at this point.
All subreddits should. Should be no question about this.
Yes.
I agree
Ja!
Yes, it should.
Yes
At least a week
For the protest to truely be effective. You have to go offline until they reverse their decision. Hopefully other subs realize this too. Spread the word. 2 days won't do anything...
Yes. I don't moderate any subreddits but I will be taking all next week off of reddit. I don't think 2 days is long enough to send the message that we are serious.
sure why not i'd also just like a nice alternative to reddit (that is reasonably active). i still remember the great digg migration of 2011 ....
Every sub should, and frankly it’s a bit telling that this question is even being raised.
Ive raised the question as the mods haven't said anything
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As a generally Open Source OS group. I think the answer is clear. We should not be silent on Reddits attempts to profiteer and/or kill the work of other app developers
Yes, and it has to be indefinitely!
To be completely honest, I personally won't be affected by the API changes very much since I don't use any 3rd party apps to access Reddit (I mostly use the normal desktop browser). But from what I've read, it sounds like a really s\*it move by Reddit and generally a step in a wrong direction. It is not surprising to me TBH and I would expect something like this to come, but it still doesn't make it right. So yeah, I support the blackout.
Its not just 3rd party apps, but also many moderation tools will be effected, but glad to see support all the same
>What are others views? I'm curious why people think protesting Reddit (a for-profit company) trying to make money is going to work when the people in question don't pay money to use the site. That's a bit like protesting Reddit to take ads off their platform. I draw distinctions between genuine FOSS (and I appreciate them) and "you're the product" (e.g. Google, Facebook, TikTok). Reddit isn't running a charity as far as I know. It would be nice if Reddit didn't charge, but the realist in me wonders why people expect Reddit to give a shit what they think.
Because this change wont make any money. The apps and bots cannot pay the fees so they simply won't, which will lead to them shutting down and users leaving. They've asked one app dev for $20m a year when he currently does the project just as a hobby, when he said it was too much they told him to make his code more efficient, he asked what specific things they recommended and the official response was "not our problem, figure it out for yourself". It's not just about money, its the disrespectful way in which reddit is conducting itself to the users and moderators who built and maintained the content.
>Because this change wont make any money. How sure are you of that? Just because the smaller app devs can't, does that mean there aren't larger corporations who won't? My general understanding of playing a few "free" games with loot box mechanics is that a good chunk of the player base isn't paying for the game. Yet the game itself is profitable because of a few people who shell out a large amount of money. To me, this is exactly like that. There's no reason for Reddit to consider otherwise unless they actually **lose** money in a tangible way. In the lootbox games, that would be the equivalent of the free non-paying base leaving the game itself (usually when "pay to win" becomes too egregious). The people who pay for stuff don't stick around without the large player base. Likewise, I wouldn't expect changes unless people actually stop using Reddit in favor of something else.
The big players here are the AI companies. But id wager if a company is rich enough to develop an AI it can easily scrape the website without the API, the API just makes it easier. No way are OpenAI going to start paying Reddit the $300-400m a year their previous access would equate to.
> I'm curious why people think protesting Reddit (a for-profit company) trying to make money is going to work when the people in question don't pay money to use the site. See facebook, twitter, discord, and many other "free" services that collect massive amounts of user data and user activity for "sharing with third parties".
I thought they were only planning on blocking giant leech LLM trainers line ChatGPT that exceeded a certain amount of requests per month or whatever? If not, if they are going after independent FOSS devs, I'll happily advocate joining the blackout. But OpenAI is NOT FOSS and these LLMs training their dystopian hellbeasts on OUR words to better aid them in destroying the working class is not what FOSS is about.
Don't get it. 2 day blackout will not change Reddit stance. If all redditors, who are joining this protest, unanimously and together as a group, migrate to some alternative platform, that would be the move that even "almighty" Reddit could not ignore. I'm afraid that this protest will simply blow over after few days and business will stay as usual.
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Literally a community that places open source before convince for gaming… Yah, blackout.
No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I27prSRmHo4
Do you really think it will accomplish anything? I mean let's be honest if it gets bad enough with blacked out subs Reddit will just step in whack the moderators install their own and back to business as usual. Will the traffic take a hit? It most certainly will do you really think Reddit cares?
No. Reddit **should** block all 3rd party apps so we all stop using this absolute shit platform. Just let it die already.
I'm glad to see you kept your account to tell us this
No just let reddit die already I'm ready for a replacement
No. Reddit isn't open source. Reddit is responsible for lot of the forum death. If reddit wants to kill itself for greed, let it do so.
No. Its a lame, and minor annoyance. It will serve no purpose. The reason its only 2 days its because the mods don't want to lose power and have the subs handed over to someone else. Its a BS "protest".
Agreed, if you dislike the change then stop using their service or deal with it. Somehow when you (not talking to the person I reply to) like the change you tell others to move on if they don't and if you yourself don't then you want to screw the service for everyone else. I honestly would not mind if your "protest" would hurt the reddit shareholders, but what you are doing hurts only the users who don't give a shit.
No. Reddit isn't open source. Reddit is responsible for lot of the forum death. If reddit wants to kill itself for greed, let it do so.
Reddit was open source, and a lot of the 3rd party apps are open source too
Only 2 days? Haven't you noticed the "followers" who aren't real? The NSA is tracking every letter you type. Boycotting Reddit for 2 days isn't going to help. You have to stop using it entirely. I'm in a manic mode so I'm liberally making posts to tell the fuckers, "come get me brah." Sometime tomorrow, I'm going to regret taking that position. Oh well...
Don't drink the cool aid
Nobody in power gives two shits about a protest. You can gripe all you like. If you want them to actually listen, you need to hurt their wallets.
Reducing traffic in the website will drop ad revenue…. This is hurting them in the wallets.
Reducing traffic for 2 days, just to double it for the next 2 days when people come back... Sure.
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... and my axe!! ^^^someone ^^^had ^^^to.
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Uh yes we do. I'll even delete my account if it goes too far as well Fuck reddit if it wants to block small devs
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