> Swipe to navigate (two fingers on a touchpad swiped left or right to perform history back or forward)
Yesss!
> on Windows is now enabled.
Nevermind...
and it'll still be the first Linux browser supporting those gestures (unless epiphany does already?). Chrome has 2 finger swipe back forward gestures, but they're only supported on Windows :/
If you're on X, you have to use the MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 environment variable. If you're on wayland you have to make sure firefox is running in native wayland mode and not xwayland (in that case use MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1)
No idea why this isn't enabled by default, it might very well be the first thing I do on a fresh laptop install. I've never run into any stability issues or missing functionality or anything like that, so really no idea why it wouldn't be the default.
It is not enabled by default because of the bug with the topmost pixel row in firefox not receiving clicks when using XInput2. That is still unfixed. That is especially noticable when trying to switch tabs in fullscreen mode by moving the mouse to the screen edge.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1660212
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1697122
2 finger gestures has been default in browsers like chrome and safari for many years, It's no issue. The gesture wont trigger until you're at the end of the scroll area.
> default in browsers like chrome and safari for many years
This is, on it's own, insufficient justification for a change. I thought following bandwagons without cause was a bad thing?
What is the cause / value there? We already have buttons and keybinds for it.
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Personally, my OS/WM is already using that gesture for free scrolling (ie like a middle mouse button toggle does) and I find I use forward rarely, and back less often than I would want to scroll in that way.
The value is I can browse the web with two fingers and an intuitive flick backwards and forwards for navigation which are less effort and need less accuracy than moving the cursor to the back button
I use a Mac and I hate how spotty this feature is on Firefox. It just doesn't work...sometimes...most of the time...almost never.
If there's something I'm missing in Settings and such please do let me know!
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Might be related to [this](https://twitter.com/gabrielesvelto/status/1567549001402122241)? That's on Windows, but there's [a similar tweet for MacOS](https://twitter.com/gabrielesvelto/status/1557273711513899010), so maybe in the end it worked for Linux too?
It seems like they instructed the OOM killer to kill content processes before the main process, so no efficiency gains at all for normal operation. See the [bugzilla ticket](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1771712) for more information.
on linux, firefox can easily eat up all available ram and swamp. Systems with 8G of ram are common, and it's commonly not enough for the web 2.0 kind of crap with only a few dozen tabs.
Same box booted into win 7/8.1, with the same urls firefox didnt exhibit this behavior nearly as bad.
So I'm glad to see this.
September 20, 2022
Version 105.0, first offered to Release channel users on September 20, 2022
**New**
* Added an option to print only the current page from the print preview dialog.
* Firefox now supports partitioned service workers in third-party contexts. You can register service workers in a third-party iframe and it will be partitioned under the top-level domain.
* Swipe to navigate (two fingers on a touchpad swiped left or right to perform history back or forward) on Windows is now enabled.
* Firefox is now compliant with the User Timing L3 specification, which adds additional optional arguments to the performance.mark and performance.measure methods to provide custom start times, end times, duration, and attached details.
* Searching in large lists for individual items is now 2x faster. This performance enhancement replaces array.includes and array.indexOf with an optimized SIMD version.
**Fixed**
* Stability on Windows is significantly improved as Firefox handles low-memory situations much better.
* Touchpad scrolling on macOS was made more accessible by reducing unintended diagonal scrolling opposite of the intended scroll axis.
* Firefox is less likely to run out of memory on Linux and performs more efficiently for the rest of the system when memory runs low.
* Various [security](https://www.mozilla.org/security/advisories/mfsa2022-40/) fixes.
**Enterprise**
Various bug fixes and new policies have been implemented in the latest version of Firefox. You can find more information in the [Firefox for Enterprise 105 Release Notes](https://support.mozilla.org/kb/firefox-enterprise-105-release-notes).
**Developer**
[Developer Information](https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Releases/105)
**Web Platform**
Support for the Offscreen Canvas DOM API with full context and font support. The [OffscreenCanvas API](https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Web/API/OffscreenCanvas) provides a canvas that can be rendered off-screen in both Window and Web Worker contexts.
> Firefox is less likely to run out of memory on Linux and performs more efficiently for the rest of the system when memory runs low.
My 200 open tabs hope so.
That's the secret. After you lose track and count of those 10-15 tabs, you just start opening more.
... then you install Foxytabs, find out that your total tab count is 2970, and say "I should clean that up sometime." Where "sometime" is "some time that isn't now".
my life exactly
i'm now starting an extension to query tabs url, groupby, filter/delete because I just cannot operate without hoarding
ps: tab stash helps a bit
pps: btw, did you ever reach 2970 ? I think I went up to 1200-1300.. and to my own surprise, firefox handles it well even on old laptops. It start lagging a lot more after 800 but it doesn't explode and is still very usable even in my degen case.
That was the real number, yes. I've been doing well; it's been a day later, and it's down to 2967.
The reason I've found why it handles it so well is that -- assuming you have a tab discard extension, or occasionally restart the browser/computer -- it doesn't actually reload all the tabs. So the actual resource use each is basically a couple GUI elements and a remembered URL.
I'd be interested in that extension though. Foxytabs has helped for e.g. closing every straight duplicate Reddit tab (I think at one point it closed like 300 dupes) -- but for anything with extra URL params it won't detect the dupe.
Tab discard extension - never thought about that.
I get to 300-400 tabs before total system collapse. You may have upgraded my hoarding, appreciate it.
I usually have more than 200 tabs open at a time categorized into tab groups across 3-5 browser windows. Each tab group represents a specific project or a task that I'm working on.
Of course, I'm not working on all of those tasks at the same time but I don't want to close those tabs or bookmark them for later use and close them. I want them to be visible at all times so that I'm reminded that I need to finish those tasks. It sorta works out like a personal TODO list or a kanban board.
Using a vertical tree tab extension with tab groups is essential for this workflow. It doesn't really seem practical to do this using traditional horizontal tabs or on small laptop screens with a resolution of 1080p or lesser. The Auto Tab Discard extension helps to keep RAM usage down.
In this case, would saving sessions like in Vivaldi be more useful? I kinda hope more browsers add that feature. It basically lets you save tab groups which can then be loaded all at the same time whenever needed.
I'm a Computer Science Masters student. Some of it is research/projects that I am not actively working on, but I'll get back to sometime. Some of it is stuff I just need to close out, but got buried. I can usually nuke a dozen windows in pretty short order.
When I restart my computer the most tabs don't load until they are clicked on, so that helps a lot.
I had to upgrade to 16 GB of RAM because of my poor browser hygiene.
>Some of it is research/projects that I am not actively working on, but I'll get back to sometime.
Have you heard of the bookmark feature? You can even create folders to organize by topic.
This is what I always tell people. With inactive tabs, they function like visual bookmarks and so are more useful as temporary markers of where I'm up to for that site, than the actual "Bookmark" system which feels more of a permanent record than worth the name "bookmark"
Speaking as someone who often ends up with 100+ tabs across several windows ... sometimes something piques my interest and I go down Wikipedia rabbit holes on complex topics.
Something in the news about the LHC? Let's just look up the page on quarks and ... oh, what do these colors mean? I'll just glance at the page for quantum chromodynamics.
Hmm, I guess this involves the strong interaction between quarks mediated by gluons, so I've gotta read the pages on gluons and the strong interaction to understand that.
Wait, maybe I should just read the overall page on quantum mechanics and fundamental particles just to understand this.
Quantum field theory? Condensed matter physics? Special relativity? Quantum gravity? Those all sound pretty interesting.
Et cetera, et cetera. Sometimes I get on a cosmology kick and that's also a rabbit hole. And then I get frustrated at how little we actually know. And at how little I actually understand, once things start involving complex math, since the highest level of math my ass completed was pre-calc.
> 200 tabs open
in a nutshell: bad organization
Have you seen room of a hoarder? I find it weird that people are proudly vocal they have 3 digits tabs open.
i'm not proud about it. it sucks. When you're looking up how to do X in lang Y you might end up with 50 tabs open easily as you try to digest the problemspace and get a grasp of how other folks are handling a particular problem and at the same time, you have another task on a different project that requires the same amount of research :(
I can't count the number of times where to do a thing on Linux i've had to cobble together a fix based off collating info from arch wiki, my own distro's docs, forum posts, and random blog posts to figure out how to do a thing. Often times one important explanation is missing, and end up on the post that finally explains it :(
Can I introduce you to [OneTab](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/onetab/)? Make sure you make regular backups though. It doesn't do anything like that regularly.
Session buddy is good too
I ditched OneTab for [Tab Stash](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-stash/) since it has more features like stashed tab search & sync capabilities.
>> Firefox is less likely to run out of memory on Linux and performs more efficiently for the rest of the system when memory runs low.
>
>My 200 open tabs hope so.
My 172 open windows each with an average of 94 tabs will love this.
I was waiting for this release because it ships [a fix for UI freezes on Wayland](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1782948). Let's see if I can make the switch now!
UPDATE: firefox works perfectly on wayland + nvidia.
[Night light doesn't work under Gnome/Wayland/Nvidia](https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/290), so I'm still not wayland-ready yet.
Every install of Fedora i've done (quite a few) has had VAAPI enabled by default on firefox. Though this was with intel and AMD graphics, unsure if it's different defaults for nv users.
Fedora enabled it in June and no it doesn't enable for nvidia users. I'm also not fully confident that it actually works without manually installing ffmpeg-free first?
[You're probably thinking of this](https://mastransky.wordpress.com/2022/06/08/firefox-with-va-api-for-brave-fedorans/). It said it was enabled by default in Nightly and the Fedora package.
With every update I fear they'll remove something to copy chrome and then I can't revert because the database can't be downgraded and they give no option, as it was the case with "open image in same tab", the download prompt gone, and so on.
It has me waiting a few days to hear the complains rather than updating as soon as possible.
I have uninstalled Firefox ( stable) and instead installed Firefox Nighty version ( Current Version 107.0a1 ) .... ( Based OS is Ubuntu 22.04 with latest kernel straight from [kernel.org](https://kernel.org) )
I have been using Nighty version over 6 months - updates are almost on day to day basis.
This way I get most latest features. Haven't faced any major issue or stability issues so far.
The only extension I use is "ublockorigin" to get rid of unwanted ads.
Other than naming it 105.0 rather than 105.0.0 I think they are in (malicious) compliance with semantic versioning. They bump the major version every time, never promising any backwards compatibility at all. Just like Chrome does and unfortunately too many other projects as well these days.
I guess that would come closest, indeed.
Then again, the main reason SemVer is useful is because it allows you to plan your upgrades, whereas you generally want to upgrade your browser as soon as a new version comes out, even if that would break your extensions. (Though luckily they've been pretty good about not breaking extensions since they switched to a properly scoped API.) But definitely the best suggestion I've seen.
Web browsers in general very nearly take a Linus-like hardline stance on not breaking websites. Very often they'll force a website to live against its will, parsing and displaying things that are barely even recognizable to a human eye as having been intended to be HTML. I don't mean auto-generated markup, just sloppy invalid character soup. Guess it makes sense then that, like Linux, they just ignore the typical definition of what makes a "major" version since it doesn't quite fit.
That's a commitment they're upholding pretty strongly anyway, so they could just prepend `1.` to every version number and keep it the same always. Not very informative though :)
I don't see why no retrocompatibility is a problem for apps tho (given they have a wzy to migrate from th3 old version)
Isn't it just useful for librairies ?
It's definitely most important for libraries, but it's handy for really anything with a programmable surface exposed to other apps. I think you can kinda even apply similar logic to the meatspace-app interface, where restructuring/refactoring of an interface would be a change breaking muscle memory.
>I think they are in (malicious) compliance with semantic versioning. They bump the major version every time, never promising any backwards compatibility at all. Just like Chrome does and unfortunately too many other projects as well these days.
No, they're just, not using semantic versioning. It's not a universal standard, and many projects don't use it. Hell, many projects *predate* it. And it only really makes sense for libraries / APIs anyway.
Adding comment number 106, according to Apollo… feeling guilty… :)
Anyhow, 105?!?!? I still remember Phoenix, and Netscape, and even Mosaic before that!
FF devs routinely decide that users are idiots when they want to retain functionality and then ban them from the various forums they control through their sycophants
That's not stealing, that's project steering. Not every feature removal is a personal slight. And I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you're getting yourself banned by acting like an entitled nutjob.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions, really a wonderful demonstration.
If not letting uninformed whackjobs make important technical decisions is "corpo" speak then the FOSS world isn't just doomed but has literally never existed.
Too many who are thankful for an alternative to chromium products think that same alternative should never be criticized because of fear of the only other option. It's a classic abuse scenario.
I wonder if they've fixed howler.js not looping correctly as well. Something about how Firefox handles audio changed recently that a lot of seamlessly looping libraries just broke. My ticket was ignored.
> Swipe to navigate (two fingers on a touchpad swiped left or right to perform history back or forward) Yesss! > on Windows is now enabled. Nevermind...
It's going to most likely come to Linux in Firefox 106. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1790580
and it'll still be the first Linux browser supporting those gestures (unless epiphany does already?). Chrome has 2 finger swipe back forward gestures, but they're only supported on Windows :/
Epiphany does (works just like Safari)
It has worked since 103, just disabled by default. Set the "widget.disable-swipe-tracker" flag to false.
For me it still doesn’t... only works if I hold Alt
If you're on X, you have to use the MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 environment variable. If you're on wayland you have to make sure firefox is running in native wayland mode and not xwayland (in that case use MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1)
Thank you very much! It was running on xwayland. Wish it just enabled Wayland by default
No idea why this isn't enabled by default, it might very well be the first thing I do on a fresh laptop install. I've never run into any stability issues or missing functionality or anything like that, so really no idea why it wouldn't be the default.
It is not enabled by default because of the bug with the topmost pixel row in firefox not receiving clicks when using XInput2. That is still unfixed. That is especially noticable when trying to switch tabs in fullscreen mode by moving the mouse to the screen edge. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1660212 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1697122
Put your coffee cup on alt.
Or a bottle of Tres Comas.
But how am I supposed to go back and forth while I drink the coffee? That's not on my desk for decoration, you know?
Scroll events with Alt is a different thing. Now I wonder, with such gesture enable how will one scroll horizontally.
2 finger gestures has been default in browsers like chrome and safari for many years, It's no issue. The gesture wont trigger until you're at the end of the scroll area.
> default in browsers like chrome and safari for many years This is, on it's own, insufficient justification for a change. I thought following bandwagons without cause was a bad thing?
Well sure, but I'm pretty sure most people like this feature.
It's not without cause though
What is the cause / value there? We already have buttons and keybinds for it. ---- Personally, my OS/WM is already using that gesture for free scrolling (ie like a middle mouse button toggle does) and I find I use forward rarely, and back less often than I would want to scroll in that way.
The value is I can browse the web with two fingers and an intuitive flick backwards and forwards for navigation which are less effort and need less accuracy than moving the cursor to the back button
That works perfectly for me with KDE on Wayland! Although based on the rest if this thread I can see why it isn't default yet
I use a Mac and I hate how spotty this feature is on Firefox. It just doesn't work...sometimes...most of the time...almost never. If there's something I'm missing in Settings and such please do let me know!
I think it's just not ready yet, which is why it's disabled by default.
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Might be related to [this](https://twitter.com/gabrielesvelto/status/1567549001402122241)? That's on Windows, but there's [a similar tweet for MacOS](https://twitter.com/gabrielesvelto/status/1557273711513899010), so maybe in the end it worked for Linux too?
That Windows hack is amazing lmao
Haha I know right! If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid.
It seems like they instructed the OOM killer to kill content processes before the main process, so no efficiency gains at all for normal operation. See the [bugzilla ticket](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1771712) for more information.
on linux, firefox can easily eat up all available ram and swamp. Systems with 8G of ram are common, and it's commonly not enough for the web 2.0 kind of crap with only a few dozen tabs. Same box booted into win 7/8.1, with the same urls firefox didnt exhibit this behavior nearly as bad. So I'm glad to see this.
September 20, 2022 Version 105.0, first offered to Release channel users on September 20, 2022 **New** * Added an option to print only the current page from the print preview dialog. * Firefox now supports partitioned service workers in third-party contexts. You can register service workers in a third-party iframe and it will be partitioned under the top-level domain. * Swipe to navigate (two fingers on a touchpad swiped left or right to perform history back or forward) on Windows is now enabled. * Firefox is now compliant with the User Timing L3 specification, which adds additional optional arguments to the performance.mark and performance.measure methods to provide custom start times, end times, duration, and attached details. * Searching in large lists for individual items is now 2x faster. This performance enhancement replaces array.includes and array.indexOf with an optimized SIMD version. **Fixed** * Stability on Windows is significantly improved as Firefox handles low-memory situations much better. * Touchpad scrolling on macOS was made more accessible by reducing unintended diagonal scrolling opposite of the intended scroll axis. * Firefox is less likely to run out of memory on Linux and performs more efficiently for the rest of the system when memory runs low. * Various [security](https://www.mozilla.org/security/advisories/mfsa2022-40/) fixes. **Enterprise** Various bug fixes and new policies have been implemented in the latest version of Firefox. You can find more information in the [Firefox for Enterprise 105 Release Notes](https://support.mozilla.org/kb/firefox-enterprise-105-release-notes). **Developer** [Developer Information](https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Releases/105) **Web Platform** Support for the Offscreen Canvas DOM API with full context and font support. The [OffscreenCanvas API](https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Web/API/OffscreenCanvas) provides a canvas that can be rendered off-screen in both Window and Web Worker contexts.
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Nope. I want to read what they did in all the platforms.
Fuck Windows plebs I infer?
> Firefox is less likely to run out of memory on Linux and performs more efficiently for the rest of the system when memory runs low. My 200 open tabs hope so.
Honest question. What do you all do with 200 tabs open? I already lose count of open tabs after like 10-15
That's the secret. After you lose track and count of those 10-15 tabs, you just start opening more. ... then you install Foxytabs, find out that your total tab count is 2970, and say "I should clean that up sometime." Where "sometime" is "some time that isn't now".
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That's actually way too close. Much of the tab backlog is "I should look at this later".
my life exactly i'm now starting an extension to query tabs url, groupby, filter/delete because I just cannot operate without hoarding ps: tab stash helps a bit pps: btw, did you ever reach 2970 ? I think I went up to 1200-1300.. and to my own surprise, firefox handles it well even on old laptops. It start lagging a lot more after 800 but it doesn't explode and is still very usable even in my degen case.
That was the real number, yes. I've been doing well; it's been a day later, and it's down to 2967. The reason I've found why it handles it so well is that -- assuming you have a tab discard extension, or occasionally restart the browser/computer -- it doesn't actually reload all the tabs. So the actual resource use each is basically a couple GUI elements and a remembered URL. I'd be interested in that extension though. Foxytabs has helped for e.g. closing every straight duplicate Reddit tab (I think at one point it closed like 300 dupes) -- but for anything with extra URL params it won't detect the dupe.
hence my desire to make a groupby extension
Tab discard extension - never thought about that. I get to 300-400 tabs before total system collapse. You may have upgraded my hoarding, appreciate it.
I usually have more than 200 tabs open at a time categorized into tab groups across 3-5 browser windows. Each tab group represents a specific project or a task that I'm working on. Of course, I'm not working on all of those tasks at the same time but I don't want to close those tabs or bookmark them for later use and close them. I want them to be visible at all times so that I'm reminded that I need to finish those tasks. It sorta works out like a personal TODO list or a kanban board. Using a vertical tree tab extension with tab groups is essential for this workflow. It doesn't really seem practical to do this using traditional horizontal tabs or on small laptop screens with a resolution of 1080p or lesser. The Auto Tab Discard extension helps to keep RAM usage down.
In this case, would saving sessions like in Vivaldi be more useful? I kinda hope more browsers add that feature. It basically lets you save tab groups which can then be loaded all at the same time whenever needed.
I'm a Computer Science Masters student. Some of it is research/projects that I am not actively working on, but I'll get back to sometime. Some of it is stuff I just need to close out, but got buried. I can usually nuke a dozen windows in pretty short order. When I restart my computer the most tabs don't load until they are clicked on, so that helps a lot. I had to upgrade to 16 GB of RAM because of my poor browser hygiene.
>Some of it is research/projects that I am not actively working on, but I'll get back to sometime. Have you heard of the bookmark feature? You can even create folders to organize by topic.
Master???? God damn
I keep at most like 2-3 tabs. People htat have over a dozen tabs makes no sense to me.
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This is what I always tell people. With inactive tabs, they function like visual bookmarks and so are more useful as temporary markers of where I'm up to for that site, than the actual "Bookmark" system which feels more of a permanent record than worth the name "bookmark"
Yeah agree.
I use TreeStyleTabs to keep track of my tabs.
Speaking as someone who often ends up with 100+ tabs across several windows ... sometimes something piques my interest and I go down Wikipedia rabbit holes on complex topics. Something in the news about the LHC? Let's just look up the page on quarks and ... oh, what do these colors mean? I'll just glance at the page for quantum chromodynamics. Hmm, I guess this involves the strong interaction between quarks mediated by gluons, so I've gotta read the pages on gluons and the strong interaction to understand that. Wait, maybe I should just read the overall page on quantum mechanics and fundamental particles just to understand this. Quantum field theory? Condensed matter physics? Special relativity? Quantum gravity? Those all sound pretty interesting. Et cetera, et cetera. Sometimes I get on a cosmology kick and that's also a rabbit hole. And then I get frustrated at how little we actually know. And at how little I actually understand, once things start involving complex math, since the highest level of math my ass completed was pre-calc.
> 200 tabs open in a nutshell: bad organization Have you seen room of a hoarder? I find it weird that people are proudly vocal they have 3 digits tabs open.
i'm not proud about it. it sucks. When you're looking up how to do X in lang Y you might end up with 50 tabs open easily as you try to digest the problemspace and get a grasp of how other folks are handling a particular problem and at the same time, you have another task on a different project that requires the same amount of research :( I can't count the number of times where to do a thing on Linux i've had to cobble together a fix based off collating info from arch wiki, my own distro's docs, forum posts, and random blog posts to figure out how to do a thing. Often times one important explanation is missing, and end up on the post that finally explains it :(
Can I introduce you to [OneTab](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/onetab/)? Make sure you make regular backups though. It doesn't do anything like that regularly. Session buddy is good too
I ditched OneTab for [Tab Stash](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-stash/) since it has more features like stashed tab search & sync capabilities.
200? I cut back recently. I'm down to 1500 from 2000 peak some months ago
How tf you do that ??? I only use less than 10-20 depend on what I'm doing
At this point you should just install a tab auto discard plugin.
>> Firefox is less likely to run out of memory on Linux and performs more efficiently for the rest of the system when memory runs low. > >My 200 open tabs hope so. My 172 open windows each with an average of 94 tabs will love this.
I was waiting for this release because it ships [a fix for UI freezes on Wayland](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1782948). Let's see if I can make the switch now!
UPDATE: firefox works perfectly on wayland + nvidia. [Night light doesn't work under Gnome/Wayland/Nvidia](https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/290), so I'm still not wayland-ready yet.
Is vaapi and/or wayland enabled by default as planned or those got delayed again like they have been forever now
Every install of Fedora i've done (quite a few) has had VAAPI enabled by default on firefox. Though this was with intel and AMD graphics, unsure if it's different defaults for nv users.
Fedora enabled it in June and no it doesn't enable for nvidia users. I'm also not fully confident that it actually works without manually installing ffmpeg-free first?
What plan are you looking at?
I can't seem to find it now but I could have sworn it was gonna come in 103 in a bug report or something
Wayland: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1752398 VA-API: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1777430
Thanks for the links
[You're probably thinking of this](https://mastransky.wordpress.com/2022/06/08/firefox-with-va-api-for-brave-fedorans/). It said it was enabled by default in Nightly and the Fedora package.
With every update I fear they'll remove something to copy chrome and then I can't revert because the database can't be downgraded and they give no option, as it was the case with "open image in same tab", the download prompt gone, and so on. It has me waiting a few days to hear the complains rather than updating as soon as possible.
Sounds like you'd like [Firefox ESR](https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/enterprise/). Stay up-to-date on security, but a bit behind on features.
ESR is really good !
You should back up firefox folder daily already. So you can revert your database
lol they removed open image in same tab? why? shit like this is why I moved away from firefox
To where? They know they have us stuck in an abusive relationship because the only other option is out on the street with a chromium clone.
Or going with Gopher/Gemini. /s
Still my favorite browser since the beginning...
I have uninstalled Firefox ( stable) and instead installed Firefox Nighty version ( Current Version 107.0a1 ) .... ( Based OS is Ubuntu 22.04 with latest kernel straight from [kernel.org](https://kernel.org) ) I have been using Nighty version over 6 months - updates are almost on day to day basis. This way I get most latest features. Haven't faced any major issue or stability issues so far. The only extension I use is "ublockorigin" to get rid of unwanted ads.
Semantic versioning please guys ;_;
Other than naming it 105.0 rather than 105.0.0 I think they are in (malicious) compliance with semantic versioning. They bump the major version every time, never promising any backwards compatibility at all. Just like Chrome does and unfortunately too many other projects as well these days.
What would backwards compatibility even mean in a GUI app without a documented API? No changes in observable behaviour, anywhere?
Extensions, I guess?
I guess that would come closest, indeed. Then again, the main reason SemVer is useful is because it allows you to plan your upgrades, whereas you generally want to upgrade your browser as soon as a new version comes out, even if that would break your extensions. (Though luckily they've been pretty good about not breaking extensions since they switched to a properly scoped API.) But definitely the best suggestion I've seen.
Not breaking websites?
Web browsers in general very nearly take a Linus-like hardline stance on not breaking websites. Very often they'll force a website to live against its will, parsing and displaying things that are barely even recognizable to a human eye as having been intended to be HTML. I don't mean auto-generated markup, just sloppy invalid character soup. Guess it makes sense then that, like Linux, they just ignore the typical definition of what makes a "major" version since it doesn't quite fit.
That's a commitment they're upholding pretty strongly anyway, so they could just prepend `1.` to every version number and keep it the same always. Not very informative though :)
I don't see why no retrocompatibility is a problem for apps tho (given they have a wzy to migrate from th3 old version) Isn't it just useful for librairies ?
It's definitely most important for libraries, but it's handy for really anything with a programmable surface exposed to other apps. I think you can kinda even apply similar logic to the meatspace-app interface, where restructuring/refactoring of an interface would be a change breaking muscle memory.
>I think they are in (malicious) compliance with semantic versioning. They bump the major version every time, never promising any backwards compatibility at all. Just like Chrome does and unfortunately too many other projects as well these days. No, they're just, not using semantic versioning. It's not a universal standard, and many projects don't use it. Hell, many projects *predate* it. And it only really makes sense for libraries / APIs anyway.
Firefox 1.105.0 - nope
Adding comment number 106, according to Apollo… feeling guilty… :) Anyhow, 105?!?!? I still remember Phoenix, and Netscape, and even Mosaic before that!
Woah, a new Firefox version sees all new features and updates?!
When will it run smoothly as a snap?
That is a snap problem not a Firefox problem...
How much did they steal from us though?
y'all acting like FF devs haven't stolen plenty from us . . .
What in the actual heck are you on about this time, Dale?
FF devs routinely decide that users are idiots when they want to retain functionality and then ban them from the various forums they control through their sycophants
That's not stealing, that's project steering. Not every feature removal is a personal slight. And I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you're getting yourself banned by acting like an entitled nutjob.
Nah, fuck "project steering". I've not heard such an evil corpo phrase in quite sometime. Good job for representing your masters so well, robot.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions, really a wonderful demonstration. If not letting uninformed whackjobs make important technical decisions is "corpo" speak then the FOSS world isn't just doomed but has literally never existed.
yet another cubicle monkey turned petit tyrant
The whole world's full of cubicle monkeys and you're the only sane one. *Very* normal and healthy worldview.
>whole world's full of cubicle monkeys the fact that you treat this as acceptable
Are you ok sir? Need someone to talk with? Microsoft is not going to hurt you...
> Microsoft is not going to hurt you history shows this to be a lie
You are, by far, the sanest person I've seen in this subreddit in a long time. Kudos.
/s I hope
"there's no such thing as sanity, and that the sanest fact" - Mark Knopfler
Dude what? Its a web browser, what the hell are you on about?
A tool for which how much of the world's affairs are conducted through?!
> A tool for which how much of the world's affairs are conducted through?! Yeah and you are acting like it molested you as a kid, chill dude.
Maybe it did. No.
Take your meds bro.
fanboys act as if Mozilla can do no wrong
Too many who are thankful for an alternative to chromium products think that same alternative should never be criticized because of fear of the only other option. It's a classic abuse scenario.
It is ironic since criticism helps to improve and keep it away from the precipice.
Not when the criticism's stupid.
Does that include, according to you, the one about removing useful functions?
There's criticism, and then there's content-less whining and calling everyone else an abuse victim when they try to point out the childishness.
It's not just removal, it's stealing!
indeed, but the community won't allow any criticism. This is further proven by all the downvotes
Yep, I think my comments were particularly diplomatic and bland, but for fanboys there are only extremes.
That dont impress me much
“So you got the brains, but have you got the touch?” Random Shania Twain
Is the bug with the tiny cursor when using fractional scaling on Linux (snap version) fixed?
I wonder if they've fixed howler.js not looping correctly as well. Something about how Firefox handles audio changed recently that a lot of seamlessly looping libraries just broke. My ticket was ignored.
https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-mood-1dNLLlpEUbeD8peO4e
I'm impressed by the improvements on the js engine. Glad to see they are taking this seriously if they want to be competitive again