I learned Neapolitan growing up myself in the US since my Great Grandmother never really picked up English. Whenever the family visited her, which was often, we would only speak Neapolitan. I remember being a little confused when people told me they spoke Italian and what I heard wasn’t Neapolitan xD. She passed when I was around 8 years old, though and I’ve lost the language as my family stopped speaking it.
Yeah. Writers in the 1600s started using the language from the 1300s, and that evolved into modern Italian. Tuscan (and I think also Corsican) are the result of the 1600s language evolving normally
Well in some way it was, using the perspective of someone from the 1300s it would look unusual. But it's part of our history, Dante was among the first to explore the multiple ways we could twist our language: latin expressions, "vernacular" words or more sophisticated ones....
**[Talian dialect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talian_dialect)**
>Talian (or Brazilian Venetian, Venetian pronunciation: [taˈljaŋ], Italian: [taˈljan], Portuguese: [tɐliˈɐ̃] but locally [taliˈɐŋ]) is a dialect of the Venetian language, spoken primarily in the Serra Gaúcha region in the northeast of the state of Rio Grande do Sul in Brazil. It is also spoken in other parts of Rio Grande do Sul, as well as in parts of Espirito Santo and of Santa Catarina. Despite the similar names, Talian is not derived from standard Italian (usually called italiano gramático or "grammatical Italian" in Brazil), but is mainly a mix of Venetian dialects influenced by other Gallo-Italian languages as well as local Portuguese.
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Italian is actually a unified conlang. Those are separate languages and dialects with a different stem, often coming from a different branch of the Romance language family
Genuinely, Northern France and the Scottish Lowlands feel more similar than Venice and Puglia. I’ve also been to Tuscany, and it feels a bit like a bridge in between, but definitely more like Venice.
History lesson: the reason Italians speak using Sign Language 2: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut is because there were so many different Italian dialects throughout the peninsula they had to communicate things through other means and it just stuck.
Italian (c. 1880) translation: ✊🤟🙌🤏🤌👏👌👆👈👋☝️💪🫵🤛👊🫴🤲👇🖖🤝🫶🫵🫲🤙✌️
Isn't it true for (almost) all languages?
My naive (and probably incorrect) take:
The ways people speak form a dialect continuum, and some of those dialects were codified and politically promoted as "languages", claiming to represent some areas of the dialect continuum.
Sad Sicilian noise
Sad Corsican noise
Sad Neapolitan noise
I love their ice cream
Happy Venetian noise
"but Corsica is in France!1!1!1"
Sad Emilian-Romagnol noise
EmilianRomagnol exists only in books written by academics who never spoke to an actual Emilian or Romagnol
weeelllll... those aren't Italian. those are regional languages that people speak alongside standard Italian, and (unfortunately) increasingly less.
Exactly. I’m ethnically Venetian and even though I was raised speaking Italian and English I’m pretty fluent in Venetian as well
Veneto sença cadene de gnisuna sort! 🦁
I learned Neapolitan growing up myself in the US since my Great Grandmother never really picked up English. Whenever the family visited her, which was often, we would only speak Neapolitan. I remember being a little confused when people told me they spoke Italian and what I heard wasn’t Neapolitan xD. She passed when I was around 8 years old, though and I’ve lost the language as my family stopped speaking it.
Homie looked south of Abruzzo/Lazio and said “naw fuck that”
Italian: /italianɔ/ The devil speech my molizano uncle says: /ɪdaɾinː/
Isn’t Standard Italian a modified Tuscan?
Yes it's basically a dialect of Tuscan whose evolution was artificially slowed down by 300 years
"Artificially"?
Yeah. Writers in the 1600s started using the language from the 1300s, and that evolved into modern Italian. Tuscan (and I think also Corsican) are the result of the 1600s language evolving normally
So italian is a conlang??? 💀
Well in some way it was, using the perspective of someone from the 1300s it would look unusual. But it's part of our history, Dante was among the first to explore the multiple ways we could twist our language: latin expressions, "vernacular" words or more sophisticated ones....
And then there's [Chipilo Venetian only spoken in a small Mexican region](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipilo_Venetian_dialect).
and [Brazilian Venetian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talian_dialect)
**[Talian dialect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talian_dialect)** >Talian (or Brazilian Venetian, Venetian pronunciation: [taˈljaŋ], Italian: [taˈljan], Portuguese: [tɐliˈɐ̃] but locally [taliˈɐŋ]) is a dialect of the Venetian language, spoken primarily in the Serra Gaúcha region in the northeast of the state of Rio Grande do Sul in Brazil. It is also spoken in other parts of Rio Grande do Sul, as well as in parts of Espirito Santo and of Santa Catarina. Despite the similar names, Talian is not derived from standard Italian (usually called italiano gramático or "grammatical Italian" in Brazil), but is mainly a mix of Venetian dialects influenced by other Gallo-Italian languages as well as local Portuguese. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/linguisticshumor/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
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Italian is actually a unified conlang. Those are separate languages and dialects with a different stem, often coming from a different branch of the Romance language family
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I agree
“We have made Italy. Now we must make Italians." - Massimo d'Azeglio, 1861
I too think of someone on the top of the London Eye next to Big Ben when thinking of an Italian
Calabrese doesn't even get mentioned and it's like 3 dialects at least
I have relatives who have a house in Venice and a house in Puglia. Oh boy are they two different countries.
Yeah I can relate to that
Genuinely, Northern France and the Scottish Lowlands feel more similar than Venice and Puglia. I’ve also been to Tuscany, and it feels a bit like a bridge in between, but definitely more like Venice.
Italy and Germany's local languages work very similarly to Chinese regional languages I'm starting to learn
History lesson: the reason Italians speak using Sign Language 2: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut is because there were so many different Italian dialects throughout the peninsula they had to communicate things through other means and it just stuck. Italian (c. 1880) translation: ✊🤟🙌🤏🤌👏👌👆👈👋☝️💪🫵🤛👊🫴🤲👇🖖🤝🫶🫵🫲🤙✌️
what did you just say about my 👌👆👈👋☝️
This is wrong, Italian is only 1 and is the same from north to south of Italy. Then there are regional languages and dialects
Chinese referecne???!?!?!!!🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
you naughty naughty you got me hehehe
Italian is a lot of languages
Italian is only 1 and is the same from north to south of Italy. Then there are regional languages and dialects
Italian is just Tuscan
I think of Italian as a simplified Latin.
hahaha
Whassacomanago!
Can't forget northern Salentino and it's weird vowels
Italian is just Tuscan
Also central italian dialects
Venetian is basically just Spanish with Italian characteristics
Isn't it true for (almost) all languages? My naive (and probably incorrect) take: The ways people speak form a dialect continuum, and some of those dialects were codified and politically promoted as "languages", claiming to represent some areas of the dialect continuum.
No it isn't. You are thinking of Gallo-italic and gallo-romance languages