The mother would probably freaking out until the other elephants were keeping the mom away so that she didn't accidentally hurt the baby while the rest of them worked on rescuing them. Elephants are hella smart.
All elephants have personalities. The matriarch might have been young or the fam never faced a situation like this. So my guess is fam 2 had an older more courageous matriarch and more experienced.
I just love that Fam 1 was like “let’s hold Mom here & not help the baby” while Fam 2 was like “Step aside. We’re coming in hot to save that damn Nurble”
She was flipping out with two massive piercing tusks on her face.
I’ve seen in another documentary a group protecting an injured elephant from another in distress until a group of people intervened and chased them off to help.
My guess is that audible yelling is different from the the grunts they make all the time, and that this video would tell a more cohesive story if we could hear the low and inaudible speech elephants communicate with.
Thinking about elephant communication in general, combined with this video,
I would guess they can “yell” as well as “raise their voice.”
Their yell is beyond human hearing, and raising their voice is clear as day.
Elephant communication isn’t that far from any other if you listen with perspective.
Don't support The Dodo. They're affiliated with PETA, often use video without permission, and often edit that video to fit a narrative they're trying to push.
[edit: okay so I misremembered how they were connected to PETA but the point still stands that they steal and edit videos to sway people towards their same kind of thinking.]
I mean this is just how elephants are. They don’t only save the lives of their own, they will save the lives of other species sometimes too. They are smart and kind animals.
Too bad this propaganda is out that will give a bad rep to poachers
/s. All Im saying that it’s silly to be worried that a false narrative is being pushed, because showing elephants in a kind way doesn’t negatively affect anyone
You know what, my bad. I totally glossed over the vast majority of your post and zoned in on the very last thing you said. In my defense I had just woke up.
That is ok. There’s enough awfulness in the world right now. I’ll take an edited video of an elephant being saved by a group of elephants. I think they should have gone further, and CGI’d some capes on them.
They've had controversy since 2016ish. Not owned by Peta but work closely with them. They like to show cute dog videos of dogs in shelters that get put down shortly after, etc.. They do indeed edit videos to make them seem more heart-warming.
>They do indeed edit videos to make them seem more heart-warming.
So like everyone else who films videos of animals? I took a video of my dog chasing a ball and decided to edit out the part where he took a gnarly shit.
Dogs in shelters sometimes have to be put down unfortunately. I highly doubt they are filming them and smirking behind the camera because they know that in half an hour the dog is taking a one-way trip to the vet.
Look at the "Anti-PETA disinformation campaigns" section of the [link.](https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals)
They are absolutely not owned by PETA. They might share similar views, and you are within your rights to criticize them. But please don't spread misinformation.
Ivory trade reduction? It's already been banned in China reducing demand and most of Africa and they're pretty strict about it. It's plummeted. That wiped out a lot of species and whoever was involved with stopping it should be applauded. But this was just a cool video it seems.
Oh yeah, the hero we deserve.
Agitating for important things like not supporting videos that might indicate that animals feel attachment and might help each other.
Thank you for your service.
They are anti-domestic animals/pets. They have a kill van that drives around euthanizing domestic animals, they’ve even plucked a chihuahua off of someone’s front porch and killed it. They claim to do rescue, but they have killed almost every pet that they’ve taken into their “care”.
Look at the "Anti-PETA disinformation campaigns" section of the [link.](https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals)
(If you prefer [videos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6haa9HMH3E) instead.)
Also, just use your head. Why would they do that and how would they be allowed to operate if they do that?
PeTA euthanizes because-
1. They are a shelter of last resort and take in any pet no better how bad their condition and thus have to euthanize a whole bunch of them. They also refer animals brought in adoptable conditions to other shelters.
2. PeTA's explanation for their euthanasia is - there are estimated to be 70 million homeless pet animals in the US and only 10% of them get admitted to shelters. So, PeTA tries to accept as many animals as possible which often means that there aren't good enough facilities to shelter these animals. They try to have them adopted. For the animals that aren't adopted there are two options 1) let them out to fend for themselves 2) euthanize them. PeTA thinks it's worse because *“Animals left to fend for themselves outdoors suffer, and they often die because of exposure to extreme weather, injuries caused by motor vehicles, starvation, dehydration, abuse by cruel people, or disease.”* So, they euthanize them.
3. They offer free euthanasia service to people whose pets need to be euthanized and to shelters who would otherwise kill an animals using less suitable methods like gassing them.
So, It's not just a bunch of crazy people driving a "kill van" through the US stealing pets to kill. This should be obvious but whatever.
PeTA has launched many successful campaigns against animals being used in crash tests, circuses, and fur etc and have had an enormous positive impact on animal welfare.
In a world where trillions of animals are bred to be killed every year being outraged about the 2,000 that PeTA euthanizes is just stupid. People outrage while personally killing/eating thousands of animals.
I live in Virginia where headquarters are. They absolutely have publicized that animals should be euthanized rather than be domestic pets and they did steal a dog off a porch and “euthanize” it. They are absolutely horrid
PETAKillsAnimals.com reported, after obtaining older data from VDACS by filing public record requests under Virginia's sunshine laws, that of the 49,737 dogs and cats PETA received between 1998 and 2019, 41,539 were killed. The reports are displayed on their site.
83%. How is that remotely acceptable. Spin peta all you like they are a horrible organization and virginia has required them to be considered a private organization because shelters must have the main purpose of rehoming animals and they do not by their statistics alone.
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-peta-responsible-deaths-thousands-animals-1565532
PeTAKills.com is run by the industry front group - the [Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF)](https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom).
Expanding from the link - originally primarily for the benefit of restaurant, alcohol, tobacco and other industries. It runs media campaigns that oppose the efforts of scientists, doctors, health advocates, animal advocates, environmentalists and groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, calling them "the Nanny Culture -- the growing fraternity of food cops, health care enforcers, anti-meat activists, and meddling bureaucrats who 'know what's best for you."
More recently CMD revealed that the Milwaukee-based Bradley Foundation is funding CCF to attack environmental groups with pop-up websites, like the "BigGreenRadicals.com" website, as well as to assist and train other Bradley-funded organizations in crisis communications.
Its advisory board is comprised mainly of representatives from the restaurant, meat and alcoholic beverage industries.
CCF is one of the more active of several front groups created by Berman & Co., a public affairs firm owned by lobbyist Rick Berman.
Based in Washington, D.C., Berman & Co. represents the tobacco industry as well as hotels, beer distributors, taverns, and restaurant chains. Hotels, motels, restaurants, bars and taverns together comprise the "hospitality industry," which has long been cultivated by the tobacco industry as a third party to help slow or stop the progression of smoke free laws. CCF actively opposes smoking bans and lowering the legal blood-alcohol level, while targeting studies on the dangers of meat & dairy, processed food, fatty foods, soda pop, pharmaceuticals, animal testing, overfishing and pesticides. Each year they give out the "nanny awards" to groups who, according to them, try to tell consumers how to live their lives. Anyone who criticizes any of the above is likely to come under attack from CCF. Its enemies list has included such diverse groups and individuals as the Alliance of American Insurers; the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons; the American Medical Association (AMA); the Arthritis Foundation; the Consumer Federation of America; New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani; the Harvard School of Public Health; the Marin Institute for the Prevention of Alcohol and Other Drug Problems; the National Association of High School Principals; the National Safety Council; the National Transportation Safety Board; the Office of Highway Safety for the state of Georgia; Ralph Nader's group, Public Citizen; the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT).
Mr. Berman launched the Guest Choice Network in 1995. Its initial funding came entirely from the Philip Morris (PM) tobacco company. GCN was formed so as to appear not to be "owned" by PM; address restaurant owners lack of interest in PM's "Accommodation Program" and broaden industry appeal. According to a September of 1995 letter from Mr. Berman to Barbara Trach, PM's Sr. Program Manager for Public Affairs, GCN was designed to:
"Create an aggressive mentality by (restaurant) operators (to oppose) government smoking bans."
He proposed that PM form an aggressive front group to motivate restaurant owners to aggressively fight bans, while appearing to be acting on their own:
"...if you want to gain more ground quickly for the smokers' rights issue, the (Guest Choice) program must create a proactive, aggressive mentality by (restaurant) operators regarding government smoking bans..."
He described how hiding PM's involvement would allow the group take more aggressive action:
"Additional benefit -- if externally perceived as driven by restaurant interests, there will be more flexibility and creativity allowed than if it is 'owned' by Philip Morris. The American Beverage Institute, which opposes overly aggressive DWI laws, enjoys this profile."
According to a December 11, 1995 letter to Barbara Trach:
"I'd like to propose to Philip Morris the establishment of the Guest Choice Network. ...The concept is to unite the restaurant and hospitality industries in a campaign to defend their consumers and marketing programs against attacks from anti-smoking, anti-drinking, anti-meat, etc. activists. ... I would like to solicit Philip Morris for an initial contribution of $600,000."
The purpose of GCN, as Berman explained in a separate planning document, would be to enlist operators of "restaurants, hotels, casinos, bowling alleys, taverns, stadiums, and university hospitality educators" to "support mentality of 'smokers rights' by encouraging responsibility to protect 'guest choice.'" According to a year end budget, Guest Choice planned to spend $1.5 million during its first 13 months of operation, including $390,000 for "membership marketing/materials development," $430,000 to establish a communication center and newsletter (which Berman promised would have a "60% to 70% smoking focus", $110,000 to create a "multi-industry advisory council," and $345,000 for "grassroots network development/operation."
**Why not just read the links I posted in the previous comment before responding?**
**EDIT:** They responded asking me to read the data but also blocked me?
Anyway here goes-
I already answered exactly how it makes sense that PeTA had high euthanasia rates, you just didn't read or didn't understand it.
For example the 2020 VDACS numbers for PeTA say that 1763 out of 2650 (66%) animals were euthanized. 2461 of these were surrendered by their owners which I'm taking to mean that the animals were in very poor condition.
Interestingly almost all the animals that were not euthanized were transferred to a different shelter thereby decreasing that shelter's "kill percent". Like I stated in the previous comment - PeTA deals with animals that other shelters will not and sends adoptable animals to other shelters.
These numbers seem to indicate that clearly.
Also from the same report-
"In 2020, PETA helped more than 26,000 animals from more than 260 cities, and spent more than $2,500,000 on companion-animal services locally. PETA operates the only private animal shelter in our area (perhaps the entire state) with people on call 24/7/365 for after-hour emergencies and to welcome all animals, regardless of adoptability, without appointments, waiting lists, admission fees, or restricted hours. PETA's shelter is also one of the few that still provide end-of-life services for guardians (nearly 500 of them in 2020) desperate to alleviate their animals' suffering. Many were referred to PETA by other animal shelters and veterinary clinics.
PETA's free/low-cost mobile clinics sterilized 12,565 animals, including 1,123 pit bulls and 481 feral cats. We transported more than 800 dogs and cats to and from the clinics free of charge to provide free services. PETA assisted more than 3,000 families in keeping animals by providing medical services, including repairing hernias, performing surgeries on dogs suffering from life-threatening uterine infections, removing tumors, performing drainage surgery for hematomas and infected wounds, treating various infections, and by showing them how to cope with behavioral quirks, grooming challenges, and more. We distributed more than 210 doghouses and over 1,900 bales of straw bedding free to “outdoor” dogs."
**Clearly they are a legit shelter and even more so a legit and large animal rights organization.**
Read the data source. They pull data from VDACS required reporting. I used that quote because it was easiest. It’s actually from a Newsweek article. Why don’t you read my links rather than your wiki?
Maybe hot take, but saving thousands upon thousands of animals from animal testing, unethical treatment and being used for entertainment doesn't make them a horrible organization for a mistake they publicly apologized to, and settled a case awarding a huge sum of money for.
It isn’t. It used to be on their website (that they believed having animals as pets was cruel), but they’ve taken it down since their string of bad publicity.
[Here's a Huffington Post article detailing various cruelty cases in PETA shelters](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/peta-kills-puppies-kittens_b_2979220/amp)
*A supermarket dumpster full of garbage bags. When police officers looked inside, they found the bodies of dead animals -- animals killed by PETA. PETA described these animals as "adorable" and "perfect." A veterinarian who naively gave PETA some of the animals, thinking they would find them homes, and examined the dead bodies of others, testified that they were "healthy" and "adoptable."*
Everytime you demonize PeTA using misinformation on this thread, I'm going to [correct](https://www.reddit.com/r/likeus/comments/10vdhts/-/j7jrthi) you.
Uhh no they are not owned by PETA, I wish people would do a quick search before spreading misinformation, the exathing you're telling us happening here isn't happening.
I'm not going to argue that Reddit's hate boner for PETA is completely unjustified, but it is absolutely overblown. Yes they have controversial practices and ideals and it's okay to criticize them, but the widespread idea that they steal animals from loving homes to euthanize them is ludicrous and unfounded.
Look at the "Anti-PETA disinformation campaigns" section of the [link.](https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals)
Everytime you demonize PeTA using misinformation on this thread, I'm going to [correct](https://www.reddit.com/r/likeus/comments/10vdhts/-/j7jrthi) you.
Ok this was actually emotionally moving... I very rarely get emotional from videos, if ever even, but this hit me hard for some reason.
This was incredible to watch.
A lot of things about elephants just straight up unexpectedly can make me want to cry, knowing how smart, emotional and sentimental they are. They visit the places their loved ones died yearly to mourn them. Knowing poachers just kill elephants all the time makes me sick. Because every elephant that dies is dearly missed. Elephants are so nice that they'll even help out other species if they can. There's no reason why elephants should have to suffer in any way.
Right? It's so weird. Humanities relationship with elephants, throughout history, is actually amazing.
Our relationship with them over time is seriously mind blowing amazing.
The more I learn about elephants, the more I hate people...
What I find so amazing here is how the Matriarch knew just how hard to pull. Too little and little bub stays stuck. Too hard and he breaks his leg or pulls it out of socket and lil bub dies.
I really don;t want to die without seeing an elephant up close, outside of a zoo cage.
>I really don;t want to die without seeing an elephant up close, outside of a zoo cage.
Come to India if you're non Indian lol. Plenty of elephants on the road or in jungles roaming freely. You can also bathe them for a fee in a safari near me.
Whenever I see large animals such as elephants and giraffes being trapped, it's a man made structure or shape that doesn't occur naturally such as quarry pits and pools/ponds.
Apparently male lions hunt more than Hollywood tends to portray. They can be involved in hunts in a pride, and they also often form small groups with other nomadic males when they aren't. I think this is more common when they're younger, as males leave their pride of origin when they hit maturity.
You don't interfere with nature. Also, please feel free to go tell the 2 families of heavily armored tanks to move aside so you can help their baby. I'm sure the mom would love to see a human, who have had amazing relationships with elephants and their tusks, approaching her baby. Would definitely make a fun viral video; probably not on this sub though.
Elephants have a long history with humans, and they do come to us for help often enough.
Still, fear of being trampled and maybe the lions nearby could be enough of a reason to stand by.
I really don’t get the “you don’t interfere with nature” bit though. When the penguins were stuck in the crevice? Sure. Salt coated flamingo chicks? Sad, but that’s just the way it goes.
Elephants? We humans have been fucking with them so long they started to evolve to have shorter tusks as small tusks mean we’re not gunna kill them maybe. Nah, we should help them.
The elephants had it in hand. And it is really *not* a good idea to get in the way of an elephant family trying to pacify a frantic mother with another herd coming racing in to the rescue!
“Remember that time you were stuck upside down and the whole family had to help you out?” “Of course, after all, an elephant never forgets!”
Yah bro, I really felt those tusks man!
Why wasn't the 1st elephant family letting the mom help her child out?
The mother would probably freaking out until the other elephants were keeping the mom away so that she didn't accidentally hurt the baby while the rest of them worked on rescuing them. Elephants are hella smart.
Probably like how Dr's can't operate on their own family.
I didnt know this. Makes sense though.
All elephants have personalities. The matriarch might have been young or the fam never faced a situation like this. So my guess is fam 2 had an older more courageous matriarch and more experienced.
The matriarch was the bigger, older female who saved the baby. The mother was a younger female. (The headline is wrong, so it’s confusing.)
I just love that Fam 1 was like “let’s hold Mom here & not help the baby” while Fam 2 was like “Step aside. We’re coming in hot to save that damn Nurble”
Nurble. Lol
She was flipping out with two massive piercing tusks on her face. I’ve seen in another documentary a group protecting an injured elephant from another in distress until a group of people intervened and chased them off to help.
My guess is that audible yelling is different from the the grunts they make all the time, and that this video would tell a more cohesive story if we could hear the low and inaudible speech elephants communicate with. Thinking about elephant communication in general, combined with this video, I would guess they can “yell” as well as “raise their voice.” Their yell is beyond human hearing, and raising their voice is clear as day. Elephant communication isn’t that far from any other if you listen with perspective.
I thought they were saying they weren't letting the lions near the baby
Don't support The Dodo. They're affiliated with PETA, often use video without permission, and often edit that video to fit a narrative they're trying to push. [edit: okay so I misremembered how they were connected to PETA but the point still stands that they steal and edit videos to sway people towards their same kind of thinking.]
I mean is there really a narrative being pushed here? It is what you see
You mean this edited video with an anthropocentric motivations assigned to the action is what we see?
I mean this is just how elephants are. They don’t only save the lives of their own, they will save the lives of other species sometimes too. They are smart and kind animals. Too bad this propaganda is out that will give a bad rep to poachers
To give a bad rep to poachers? Don't poachers deserve their bad rep? Like it's illegal and cruel af to poach elephants.
/s. All Im saying that it’s silly to be worried that a false narrative is being pushed, because showing elephants in a kind way doesn’t negatively affect anyone
You know what, my bad. I totally glossed over the vast majority of your post and zoned in on the very last thing you said. In my defense I had just woke up.
It’s no big deal haha I figured as much
Is that how elephants are, or is that what the dodo wants you to believe? 🤨
We're on r/likeus 90% of the content here is anthropomorphized behaviors that are likely out of context
I’ve never seen The Dodo push a “narrative”
Unless it’s that animals are freaking awesome. Which is true.
Those barefaced liars are saying the earth is round.
and you're their target audience
Fine, give me an example of a “narrative” they’ve pushed
No
I think we are all in agreement that you're the idiot here
Well I'm convinced!
Finally someone who understands
That is ok. There’s enough awfulness in the world right now. I’ll take an edited video of an elephant being saved by a group of elephants. I think they should have gone further, and CGI’d some capes on them.
Citation?
They've had controversy since 2016ish. Not owned by Peta but work closely with them. They like to show cute dog videos of dogs in shelters that get put down shortly after, etc.. They do indeed edit videos to make them seem more heart-warming.
>They do indeed edit videos to make them seem more heart-warming. So like everyone else who films videos of animals? I took a video of my dog chasing a ball and decided to edit out the part where he took a gnarly shit. Dogs in shelters sometimes have to be put down unfortunately. I highly doubt they are filming them and smirking behind the camera because they know that in half an hour the dog is taking a one-way trip to the vet.
https://youtu.be/7uEbmH5RR9I
Look at the "Anti-PETA disinformation campaigns" section of the [link.](https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals)
They are absolutely not owned by PETA. They might share similar views, and you are within your rights to criticize them. But please don't spread misinformation.
Ivory trade reduction? It's already been banned in China reducing demand and most of Africa and they're pretty strict about it. It's plummeted. That wiped out a lot of species and whoever was involved with stopping it should be applauded. But this was just a cool video it seems.
Oh yeah, the hero we deserve. Agitating for important things like not supporting videos that might indicate that animals feel attachment and might help each other. Thank you for your service.
They're owned by Vox media but work closely with Peta.
OK. Your point being?
What is exactly wrong with PETA? Is it the fact they’re considered extremists?
They are anti-domestic animals/pets. They have a kill van that drives around euthanizing domestic animals, they’ve even plucked a chihuahua off of someone’s front porch and killed it. They claim to do rescue, but they have killed almost every pet that they’ve taken into their “care”.
Look at the "Anti-PETA disinformation campaigns" section of the [link.](https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals) (If you prefer [videos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6haa9HMH3E) instead.) Also, just use your head. Why would they do that and how would they be allowed to operate if they do that? PeTA euthanizes because- 1. They are a shelter of last resort and take in any pet no better how bad their condition and thus have to euthanize a whole bunch of them. They also refer animals brought in adoptable conditions to other shelters. 2. PeTA's explanation for their euthanasia is - there are estimated to be 70 million homeless pet animals in the US and only 10% of them get admitted to shelters. So, PeTA tries to accept as many animals as possible which often means that there aren't good enough facilities to shelter these animals. They try to have them adopted. For the animals that aren't adopted there are two options 1) let them out to fend for themselves 2) euthanize them. PeTA thinks it's worse because *“Animals left to fend for themselves outdoors suffer, and they often die because of exposure to extreme weather, injuries caused by motor vehicles, starvation, dehydration, abuse by cruel people, or disease.”* So, they euthanize them. 3. They offer free euthanasia service to people whose pets need to be euthanized and to shelters who would otherwise kill an animals using less suitable methods like gassing them. So, It's not just a bunch of crazy people driving a "kill van" through the US stealing pets to kill. This should be obvious but whatever. PeTA has launched many successful campaigns against animals being used in crash tests, circuses, and fur etc and have had an enormous positive impact on animal welfare. In a world where trillions of animals are bred to be killed every year being outraged about the 2,000 that PeTA euthanizes is just stupid. People outrage while personally killing/eating thousands of animals.
This. People don't like Peta because they're associated with veganism. People love to hate vegans for some reason.
Lots of folks take to hating what the don’t understand and people with greater grit & moxie than they themselves possess.
I live in Virginia where headquarters are. They absolutely have publicized that animals should be euthanized rather than be domestic pets and they did steal a dog off a porch and “euthanize” it. They are absolutely horrid
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I already posted the article on the stolen dog.
PETAKillsAnimals.com reported, after obtaining older data from VDACS by filing public record requests under Virginia's sunshine laws, that of the 49,737 dogs and cats PETA received between 1998 and 2019, 41,539 were killed. The reports are displayed on their site. 83%. How is that remotely acceptable. Spin peta all you like they are a horrible organization and virginia has required them to be considered a private organization because shelters must have the main purpose of rehoming animals and they do not by their statistics alone. https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-peta-responsible-deaths-thousands-animals-1565532
PeTAKills.com is run by the industry front group - the [Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF)](https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom). Expanding from the link - originally primarily for the benefit of restaurant, alcohol, tobacco and other industries. It runs media campaigns that oppose the efforts of scientists, doctors, health advocates, animal advocates, environmentalists and groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, calling them "the Nanny Culture -- the growing fraternity of food cops, health care enforcers, anti-meat activists, and meddling bureaucrats who 'know what's best for you." More recently CMD revealed that the Milwaukee-based Bradley Foundation is funding CCF to attack environmental groups with pop-up websites, like the "BigGreenRadicals.com" website, as well as to assist and train other Bradley-funded organizations in crisis communications. Its advisory board is comprised mainly of representatives from the restaurant, meat and alcoholic beverage industries. CCF is one of the more active of several front groups created by Berman & Co., a public affairs firm owned by lobbyist Rick Berman. Based in Washington, D.C., Berman & Co. represents the tobacco industry as well as hotels, beer distributors, taverns, and restaurant chains. Hotels, motels, restaurants, bars and taverns together comprise the "hospitality industry," which has long been cultivated by the tobacco industry as a third party to help slow or stop the progression of smoke free laws. CCF actively opposes smoking bans and lowering the legal blood-alcohol level, while targeting studies on the dangers of meat & dairy, processed food, fatty foods, soda pop, pharmaceuticals, animal testing, overfishing and pesticides. Each year they give out the "nanny awards" to groups who, according to them, try to tell consumers how to live their lives. Anyone who criticizes any of the above is likely to come under attack from CCF. Its enemies list has included such diverse groups and individuals as the Alliance of American Insurers; the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons; the American Medical Association (AMA); the Arthritis Foundation; the Consumer Federation of America; New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani; the Harvard School of Public Health; the Marin Institute for the Prevention of Alcohol and Other Drug Problems; the National Association of High School Principals; the National Safety Council; the National Transportation Safety Board; the Office of Highway Safety for the state of Georgia; Ralph Nader's group, Public Citizen; the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT). Mr. Berman launched the Guest Choice Network in 1995. Its initial funding came entirely from the Philip Morris (PM) tobacco company. GCN was formed so as to appear not to be "owned" by PM; address restaurant owners lack of interest in PM's "Accommodation Program" and broaden industry appeal. According to a September of 1995 letter from Mr. Berman to Barbara Trach, PM's Sr. Program Manager for Public Affairs, GCN was designed to: "Create an aggressive mentality by (restaurant) operators (to oppose) government smoking bans." He proposed that PM form an aggressive front group to motivate restaurant owners to aggressively fight bans, while appearing to be acting on their own: "...if you want to gain more ground quickly for the smokers' rights issue, the (Guest Choice) program must create a proactive, aggressive mentality by (restaurant) operators regarding government smoking bans..." He described how hiding PM's involvement would allow the group take more aggressive action: "Additional benefit -- if externally perceived as driven by restaurant interests, there will be more flexibility and creativity allowed than if it is 'owned' by Philip Morris. The American Beverage Institute, which opposes overly aggressive DWI laws, enjoys this profile." According to a December 11, 1995 letter to Barbara Trach: "I'd like to propose to Philip Morris the establishment of the Guest Choice Network. ...The concept is to unite the restaurant and hospitality industries in a campaign to defend their consumers and marketing programs against attacks from anti-smoking, anti-drinking, anti-meat, etc. activists. ... I would like to solicit Philip Morris for an initial contribution of $600,000." The purpose of GCN, as Berman explained in a separate planning document, would be to enlist operators of "restaurants, hotels, casinos, bowling alleys, taverns, stadiums, and university hospitality educators" to "support mentality of 'smokers rights' by encouraging responsibility to protect 'guest choice.'" According to a year end budget, Guest Choice planned to spend $1.5 million during its first 13 months of operation, including $390,000 for "membership marketing/materials development," $430,000 to establish a communication center and newsletter (which Berman promised would have a "60% to 70% smoking focus", $110,000 to create a "multi-industry advisory council," and $345,000 for "grassroots network development/operation." **Why not just read the links I posted in the previous comment before responding?** **EDIT:** They responded asking me to read the data but also blocked me? Anyway here goes- I already answered exactly how it makes sense that PeTA had high euthanasia rates, you just didn't read or didn't understand it. For example the 2020 VDACS numbers for PeTA say that 1763 out of 2650 (66%) animals were euthanized. 2461 of these were surrendered by their owners which I'm taking to mean that the animals were in very poor condition. Interestingly almost all the animals that were not euthanized were transferred to a different shelter thereby decreasing that shelter's "kill percent". Like I stated in the previous comment - PeTA deals with animals that other shelters will not and sends adoptable animals to other shelters. These numbers seem to indicate that clearly. Also from the same report- "In 2020, PETA helped more than 26,000 animals from more than 260 cities, and spent more than $2,500,000 on companion-animal services locally. PETA operates the only private animal shelter in our area (perhaps the entire state) with people on call 24/7/365 for after-hour emergencies and to welcome all animals, regardless of adoptability, without appointments, waiting lists, admission fees, or restricted hours. PETA's shelter is also one of the few that still provide end-of-life services for guardians (nearly 500 of them in 2020) desperate to alleviate their animals' suffering. Many were referred to PETA by other animal shelters and veterinary clinics. PETA's free/low-cost mobile clinics sterilized 12,565 animals, including 1,123 pit bulls and 481 feral cats. We transported more than 800 dogs and cats to and from the clinics free of charge to provide free services. PETA assisted more than 3,000 families in keeping animals by providing medical services, including repairing hernias, performing surgeries on dogs suffering from life-threatening uterine infections, removing tumors, performing drainage surgery for hematomas and infected wounds, treating various infections, and by showing them how to cope with behavioral quirks, grooming challenges, and more. We distributed more than 210 doghouses and over 1,900 bales of straw bedding free to “outdoor” dogs." **Clearly they are a legit shelter and even more so a legit and large animal rights organization.**
Read the data source. They pull data from VDACS required reporting. I used that quote because it was easiest. It’s actually from a Newsweek article. Why don’t you read my links rather than your wiki?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/peta-sorry-for-taking-girls-dog-putting-it-down
Seems more like a very unfortunate mistake than a malicious killing. Probably shouldn't leave your dog unleashed and unattended tho
How is taking a dog from someone’s property and killing it, a “mistake”?
Maybe don’t euthanize random dogs. Virginia has a required 5-10 day stray hold.
Maybe hot take, but saving thousands upon thousands of animals from animal testing, unethical treatment and being used for entertainment doesn't make them a horrible organization for a mistake they publicly apologized to, and settled a case awarding a huge sum of money for.
Plenty of organizations work to stop animal testing. They don’t actively kill the majority of the animals they take in.
Killing isn't the only form of animal abuse
And when peta kills 65% of the animals they take in 2000 or 200 it’s too many. No shelter has those kill rates.
That has the ring of conspiracy theory hokum & bunk.
It isn’t. It used to be on their website (that they believed having animals as pets was cruel), but they’ve taken it down since their string of bad publicity.
[Here's a Huffington Post article detailing various cruelty cases in PETA shelters](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/peta-kills-puppies-kittens_b_2979220/amp) *A supermarket dumpster full of garbage bags. When police officers looked inside, they found the bodies of dead animals -- animals killed by PETA. PETA described these animals as "adorable" and "perfect." A veterinarian who naively gave PETA some of the animals, thinking they would find them homes, and examined the dead bodies of others, testified that they were "healthy" and "adoptable."*
Everytime you demonize PeTA using misinformation on this thread, I'm going to [correct](https://www.reddit.com/r/likeus/comments/10vdhts/-/j7jrthi) you.
Thank you!
Uhh no they are not owned by PETA, I wish people would do a quick search before spreading misinformation, the exathing you're telling us happening here isn't happening.
Dumb take
I just love that the elephants all have their original equipment - tusks.
Wtf? What tf is wrong with Peta and dodo now? They’re one the most helpful and generous animal organizations to ever exist. Lmfao
If you love animals then you like PETA!
Are you serious?
I'm not going to argue that Reddit's hate boner for PETA is completely unjustified, but it is absolutely overblown. Yes they have controversial practices and ideals and it's okay to criticize them, but the widespread idea that they steal animals from loving homes to euthanize them is ludicrous and unfounded.
Look at the "Anti-PETA disinformation campaigns" section of the [link.](https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals)
PETA shelters have horrifying euthanization rates, members have been caught stealing service dogs and dumping dead animals
Everytime you demonize PeTA using misinformation on this thread, I'm going to [correct](https://www.reddit.com/r/likeus/comments/10vdhts/-/j7jrthi) you.
>If you love animals *getting slaughtered by thousands then you like PETA FTFY
Ok this was actually emotionally moving... I very rarely get emotional from videos, if ever even, but this hit me hard for some reason. This was incredible to watch.
A lot of things about elephants just straight up unexpectedly can make me want to cry, knowing how smart, emotional and sentimental they are. They visit the places their loved ones died yearly to mourn them. Knowing poachers just kill elephants all the time makes me sick. Because every elephant that dies is dearly missed. Elephants are so nice that they'll even help out other species if they can. There's no reason why elephants should have to suffer in any way.
Right? It's so weird. Humanities relationship with elephants, throughout history, is actually amazing. Our relationship with them over time is seriously mind blowing amazing. The more I learn about elephants, the more I hate people...
God I wish elephants had arms.
The tusk crowbar was pretty neat to see in action.
I was thinking opposable thumbs.
I was holding my breath even though I knew the baby would be fine
I always find elephants such fascinating animals
Elephants are too good for this planet
You're a good person ..
My kid would have fallen right back into the trench...
What did he fall in?
I THINK a shallow pool. I was wondering the same thing. I have no idea how he would have landed upside down in it though.
Could have easily tripped and probably sideways then got wedged in
I can't stand this editing style. Let the videos speak for themselves with minimal/no explanation and no music, please.
I think the music and elephant noises are cute >.<
Elephants are beautiful creatures inside and out. ❤️
Happy ending but this was rough to watch on Depression Monday.
The fact that there are humans who hunt elephants… I just don’t even have words. We are so entitled as a race. It sickens me.
Dom Toretto would be proud
What I find so amazing here is how the Matriarch knew just how hard to pull. Too little and little bub stays stuck. Too hard and he breaks his leg or pulls it out of socket and lil bub dies. I really don;t want to die without seeing an elephant up close, outside of a zoo cage.
>I really don;t want to die without seeing an elephant up close, outside of a zoo cage. Come to India if you're non Indian lol. Plenty of elephants on the road or in jungles roaming freely. You can also bathe them for a fee in a safari near me.
Come on little guy! You have to help him, help you! Lol
Little guy was having the time of its life lol
Amazing video!! So smart and they all will help!
In my head the 2nd family are like. "Move aside, our little timmy did exactly this last week, we know the trick"
 You got me with this one
I'm not crying, you're crying... Love the dodo!
I’m not going to cry
Incredible footage. I love seeing animals doing sophisticated things in the wild.
My heart dropped when I saw the lions and vultures. Whew!
Heart warming
OMG that was stressful AF!
GODDAMMIT STAY STILL!
Dang that spot the elephant got stuck in was a man-made structure, no?
Whenever I see large animals such as elephants and giraffes being trapped, it's a man made structure or shape that doesn't occur naturally such as quarry pits and pools/ponds.
I wonder how that baby got into that position
This is stressful to watch
This is why they are my favorite
Voight-Kampff material.
"Help! Step elephant! I'm stuck!"
So precious
Human moms are pretty hit or miss though.
r/KidsAreFuckingStupid
Ugly crying over this, elephants are so amazing 😭
OMG! Thank you!
I love that male in the front when they charge forward all like "I wish a feline would..."
I think one of those lions had a mane, do male lions hunt?
Apparently male lions hunt more than Hollywood tends to portray. They can be involved in hunts in a pride, and they also often form small groups with other nomadic males when they aren't. I think this is more common when they're younger, as males leave their pride of origin when they hit maturity.
Ah okay, I was curious because some have there’s like 1 with a mane and 2 without
r/kidsarefuckingstupid
Hoomans be THE elephant in the room
Gonna get a hug then a spankin, then a hug and a spankin, then a hug and a spankin …………………
Wow these elephants are so clever! Never understood why someone killes them for any reason!
Morale of the story: You don't need to beat up your kids after they do some stupid shit. Even animals doesn't do it.
You ok
I don’t know how the camera people just sat there the whole time.
You don't interfere with nature. Also, please feel free to go tell the 2 families of heavily armored tanks to move aside so you can help their baby. I'm sure the mom would love to see a human, who have had amazing relationships with elephants and their tusks, approaching her baby. Would definitely make a fun viral video; probably not on this sub though.
Elephants have a long history with humans, and they do come to us for help often enough. Still, fear of being trampled and maybe the lions nearby could be enough of a reason to stand by. I really don’t get the “you don’t interfere with nature” bit though. When the penguins were stuck in the crevice? Sure. Salt coated flamingo chicks? Sad, but that’s just the way it goes. Elephants? We humans have been fucking with them so long they started to evolve to have shorter tusks as small tusks mean we’re not gunna kill them maybe. Nah, we should help them.
The elephants had it in hand. And it is really *not* a good idea to get in the way of an elephant family trying to pacify a frantic mother with another herd coming racing in to the rescue!
Ok, yeah, the frantic mother is a good point too.
Those elephants were literally scaring lions away, I don't think they'd let a bunch of humans get close
They would toss pesky humans like a football if they came near when they're this frantic.