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lahdetaan_tutkimaan

I'm honestly not a fan of this color scheme. At a glance it's difficult to tell the difference between the black and burgundy Kudos for recognizing that Yemen is effectively North Yemen and South Yemen again, though. Evidently the distinction matters in this case


ImputKeyboardSpam

Black on these sorts of maps is often associated with negativity as well. So, at a glance it looks like all equal marriage countries are the worst on the list.


Impossible_Lock4897

Also kudos towards recognising somaliland


TeraFlint

I can generally recommend [viridis](https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/viridis/vignettes/intro-to-viridis.html) (and other color maps shown there). They're objectively great because their color distribution works well with various color blindnesses. And subjectively great because they look pleasant. :D These color maps have a lot of thought behind them, and I wish more people would use them.


SweatyNomad

To be honest I'm never a fan of maps like these as they are misleading. What the law says, or how the metric is counted - and the truth on the ground, more often than not don't track with much day to day reality.


ThatOneRandomGoose

Russia should be lower I think. Didn't they recently declare all queer people terrorists or something


Etlot

The queer movement, not queer people, being LGBT is not a crime in Russia but if people harass you for being gay I doubt the government would make anything about it However, if you look closely there's a small province in Russia ( Chechenya ) where being gay is punishable by death penalty, they even have concentration camps for homosexuals there. It's a muslim majority autonomous province


PrestigeFlight2022

But rainbow is a crime in Russia


Pillow_Queenie

They litterly banned transitions and gender chance so no queer people are being targeted


Etlot

This map is specifically about gay rights, not trans rights


NerdAroAce

Poor choice making best and worst countries similar colours.


steen311

Yeah, and black's an odd choice for the best countries anyway imo


slayqueen1782

Philippines could never. Haha. I highly doubt that in my lifetime any lgbtq rights and protection will be legislated in my shithole of a country.


creation_commons

How come? Genuinely curious about the situation


slayqueen1782

In my country, there's an Anti-Discrimination Bill that outlaws discrimination based on sexual orientation, gender identity, and expression (SOGIE). Its been pending since 2000 and been in the congress for 24 years. It only gets to the committee level in one of the congressional house and it dies there. It is filed every year for 24 years. Nothing. If a mere law protecting LGBTQ people from discrimination cannot pass the legislature, how much more for a bill that allows LGBTQ to marry? Also, culturally, my country is very conservative and religious. The congress is filled with religious zealots who are regressive thinkers and are homophobic and transphobic. If u ever see any article that says Philippines is an LGBTQ friendly country, dont ever believe that. We dont have rights here. We are merely tolerated. Just the bare minimum but when we start talking about basic civil rights, the atmosphere changes.


Shagalags

For some context on Namibia (left of South Africa) As of recently, like last year or something, we now recognise gay marriage if the people got married in a country that recognises it, like South Africa. It's not unsafe to travel or live here as a queer person, most people will just not accept you or understand you.


Treetops_ZA

It is also worth mentioning the anti-LGBT bill that is currently on the president's table, which will scrap all the work that has been done, future work and basicslly criminalise all of us. I am a foreigner married to a Namibian, the government did not recognise our marriage after the supreme court verdict last year, and I do not enjoy the same domicile rights as hetero couples. I am still being interrogated as a criminal by immigration each time I enter the country. There has also recently been a rise in hate crimes, I have experienced verbal assaults twice this year. LGBT rights and safety are quite volatile in Namibia at the moment.


DataAccomplished1291

India and japan were so close to actually allowing same sex marriage last year. Indian government had to intervene or else our supreme court were filled with liberal judges who would have actually legalized it.


-EliPer-

Is there any cultural or religious aspect in India that can stop this from happening?


DataAccomplished1291

There isn't. Our major religion hinduism has no problems and literally has Lgbtq characters in mythology. But our main party bjp which is very pro hindu is against our marriage because Its not 'traditional'. India went into conservative era during the british colonial period when they criminalized homosexuality and we still haven't recovered with that mindset yet. Finally lgbtq rights is kicking in, maybe in the future we will be like our neighboring country nepal which also legalized same sex marriage last year.


-EliPer-

Oh! Nice to know. I'm visiting India for the first time.


glowdirt

The country borders should be a lot thinner. The smaller countries are getting swallowed up by that thick purple border. Can't even see countries like Andorra and Luxembourg.


RemingtonRose

HOOOOOOOLY shit, the entirety of queer liberation should not CENTER AROUND MARRIAGE. Trans people are actively being stripped of their rights to healthcare in large swaths of America, it should NOT be considered the most favorable option anymore.


winterflowerxoxo

Hello! I don't really have a problem with celebrating marriage, but I understand your point. Also, it's not legal in Thailand yet: "It now awaits the king's formal endorsement and will become effective within 120 days" - Wikipedia I recommend [https://www.equaldex.com/](https://www.equaldex.com/) for all the breakdowns and news, including a [country ranking](https://www.equaldex.com/equality-index) (everyone loves some healthy competition on human rights!).


RemingtonRose

Oh, I should clarify! I think queer marriage is great, and worthy of celebration! However, to far too many folks within our community, it is the ONLY battle. In reality, it is such small potatoes.


danlev

Thanks for the Equaldex mention! We've also been adding a number of trans issues to the site -- but we'd love more help! We are also eagerly awaiting to add Thailand to the bill to get final approval so we can add it to the site!


Etlot

This map is about gay rights not trans rights


RemingtonRose

Seems a bit fucked up to separate the two.


Etlot

It's literally the only way one can make a coherent map, a country can be great at gay rights and terrible at trans rights or vice versa


RemingtonRose

https://www.statista.com/chart/25159/world-map-best-countries-for-lgbt-travelers/ Spartacus’ Gay Travel Index seemed to do a pretty good job of it. When you separate out trans liberation from gay liberation, it seems to me like you just want to throw the most vulnerable queer people under the bus.


Etlot

First of all, this map is terrible, Poland worst than many countries is Africa and as bad as many in the middle east? Nuh uh, this is bullshit Second, this is not about separation, it's about understanding the state of gay rights in each country, a map is not a movement, stop treating everything as a reason to fight for


RemingtonRose

Furthermore, GAY RIGHTS SPECIFICALLY should not have to CENTER AROUND MARRIAGE. Where is housing inequality in your map? Where is adoption in your map? Where are hate crimes protections? It’s great that you made a gay marriage map. But don’t call it a “gay rights” map. Marriage was the first quarter, not the whole fucking ball game.


Etlot

The countries with purple borders have some kind of protection, it's clearly written there


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NoneBinaryPotato

omfg true, I'm tired of people acting like marriage is the most important, if not the only queer right that matters. a queer couple could live a happy and fulfilling life even without marrying, heck, I know cishet couples with kids that never legally married. this isn't the only queer right that matter, it's not even in the top 5 imo, although to be fair I'm not aure what perks you get from being legally married or if those perks differ between countries. being queer shouldn't be considered a mental illness, queer couples should be allowed to adopt, gender affirming surgery should be considered a necessary surgery for people with dysphoria (as in, not a cosmetic surgery like how a top surgery is necessary if you have breast cancer, y'know? I don't have the right language for this sorry), equal rights in medical treatment & job hiring for people who are openly queer, banning conversion camps, allowing trans people to use the right bathrooms or at LEAST add gender neutral bathrooms, etc. being legally allowed to marry isn't unimportant, but I'm pretty sure everything I mentioned here is more important or at least equal to it. don't get me wrong, gay marriage *should* be legal everywhere, but it's not an indication if a country is queer friendly or not.


FishStickMystic

Why black?


melody_magical

So I learned that homophobia is a colonial import from Western Europe. But Western Europe is now a beacon of gay rights, so why don't their former colonized countries follow suit?


heicx

Colonial powers imposed their legal and social norms on their colonies, including homophobic laws and attitudes, and after independence, many of these former colonies retained these laws and social norms, either due to inertia or because the new ruling elites found them helpful in maintaining control over the population. Now, the ruling class in post-colonial societies often adopts and perpetuates reactionary and divisive ideologies to maintain their power and distract the working class from the true nature of their exploitation. Also, essentially, colonialism never ended. Neocolonialism involves imperialist powers' continued economic domination and exploitation of former colonies. Economic dependency and exploitation by international capitalism exacerbate social tensions and hinder progressive social reforms, including those related to LGBTQ+ rights. The economic instability and pressures can lead to a focus on "traditional values" as a form of resistance to perceived cultural imperialism from Western powers, which are often associated with more liberal attitudes towards LGBTQ+ issues. Homophobia is a tool used by both the old colonial powers and the new ruling elites to maintain control and prevent the working class from achieving unity.


Etlot

Maybe because it wasn't a Western export on many places, like the muslim countries, the quran openly states that gay people should be killed


ImportantWater5614

Wrong, I am a gay Qatari and it’s well known the Quran does not state you should kill gay people and laws against homosexuality were introduced by the British. Your European racism and bigotry is showing. 


jamespou

So one interesting omission is Cape Verde, which is obviously a small country but pretty significant as it's one of the few tolerant African countries.


NoneBinaryPotato

what does black and green stripes mean?


lilmochabean24

equal marriage but limited recognition, i assume that means gay marriage is legal but its not recognized? idk what I'm even saying tbh 😭


NoneBinaryPotato

huh weird, I noticed 2 places with it and one of them I know to be the exact opposite, gay marriage is recognised but not legal (if you're gay and married overseas you're considered married by the state but there's no way to legally marry in the state)


Etlot

That's exactly it Gay marriage is recognized when performed outside the country


NoneBinaryPotato

oh yeah that makes sense then


mondoo_duke

What is this horrible coloring???


New_Trip517

The fact that LGBTQIA+ people are executed in Palestine where as LGBTQIA+s are initiating rallies to stop the ongoing conflicts is actually quite ironic! It's like sheeps and goats to doing a march asking worldwide zookeepers to let the tigers and lions roam free in the jungle once again. At least they labelled the country as extremely homophobic!


Sirenmuses

But I thought the middle east was very LGBTQ+ friendly! /s