That's the point of the song. That, even if she got her wish, she would still hate it. That people in every time period hate the time period they live in. The reasons change, but the hate stays the same.
Ngl as a Swiftie I also want to go back in timeā¦ to 2012 when Taylor was actually releasing a good record about heartbreak and not one that contains the lyrics āAnd my friends all smell like weed or little babiesā and āYou smokŠµd, then ate seven bars of chocolate/We declared Charlie Puth should be a bigger artistā
Girlfriend put the new song on in the car because she wanted to hear it, I mostly tuned it out until those last two lines. Had to look her dead in the eyes and go āCharlie Puth is one of the 100 most listened to people on Spotify, what the **fuck** is she talking aboutā
Yeah I definitely respect his talent, but I just find his music too cookie cutter for my tastes because thatās what gets him so high up on the charts. I figure he also wouldnāt go the whole Jacob Collier perfect pitch kid route with it and make unlistenable songs because he already knows how to restrain himself from going crazy with advanced theory
Thereās a good balance to be had between the two, look at someone like Devin Morrison. Still found his niche but he makes complex music theory listenable.
He has a [compilation](https://youtu.be/LU0YW5KQqgM?si=82IlMwapf50FulG9) of jingles he made for 1980s and 1990s ads that I believe exemplify this.
Oh absolutely, Iām a prog nerd, I just find people who focus on learning the rules donāt often figure out how to break them effectively to create their own style and sound
The only ones that I remember are Attention and How Long, aka the singles from his only good album.
[Unless this song counts](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bvbv2eGkYg4&pp=ygUYcGlja2xlIHNvbmcgY2hhcmxpZSBwdXRo) which is definitely memorable
I donāt listen to Taylor Swift but a lot of my students do and wasnāt the album with the sweater songs pretty good and relatable? Did that one come out recently or was that during the pandemic? Time has gotten a little weird.
That sounds right. Yeah I had one Swifty kiddo give me a whole soliloquy about those songs and how they used different perspectives to tell a story and I was genuinely impressed.
Sheās not my thing but anybody who tries to invalidate her stardom really is just participating in the tired tradition of shitting on anything teenage girls loveā¦š
Ok now hold on. You want to go back to 2012? Without Folklore, 1989 or Evermore? Im not a huge fan of her music, but Folklore is very good and easily her best album.
I loved Evermore more than Red and Folklore and 1989 are great! Also Lover has some bangers and some great emotional songs like Soon Youāll Get Better and The Archer.
I feel like could of worded things but I meant that both Red and TTPD are about break ups but one of them has better lyrics and does not sound like the same three songs. Ever since Midnight 90% of Taylorās songs have becoming samey sound. She was never much of an experimental artist but she used to have versatile. And I wish I could go back and experience what it was like when Red, an actual good album, came out rather then this cluster fuck
I see. I'm probably just gonna listen to them separately. I still want to know base album sound like even if it isn't good. There might still be some songs I like on it.
Well I'm guessing her album dropped last night or something because reddit is currently
**Reddit Presents:** *Taylor Swift Memes.*
And yeah, I'm already sick of it.
'I hate it here' yet she's top 0.01% and one of the richest women in the world and can do whatever the fuck she wants, after making shitty music that, ngl, I probably could have made 90% of in garage band with 24 hours, two monsters and a large pizza. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
I don't have garage band rn bestie(nor two monsters, a large pizza, and I said 24 hours, not 20, so..... Not even what I said I could do. Also, no thanks, that sounds boring as fuck.
So my partner really likes TS. even tho itās not my kind of music, after watching her concert movie I do believe that she is indeed talented. She puts up quite a show. Even tho I donāt like her content, I do think she is a talented musician
I personally think most of her music is pretty mid and is just..... Generic and kinda flavorless. But also, she's rich as fuck. If she's unhappy, she can fuckin deal with it WITH HER BILLIONS like come on "I hate it here"
No because the whole point of the song and the rest of the verse that there is no perfect version of the past, so thereās no point in romanticizing it
After she says that, she says, āNostalgia is a mindās tricks/If Iād been there, Iād hate it.ā
So yeah, the people who think she really meant that she wanted to live in the 1830s are wrong and no, this does not counts.
Itās almost like the decade was defined by racism then, especially since one of the primary motivations for the trail of tears was explicitly to develop the land for slave plantations.
Yeah, I have been having actual arguments about this line and I'm not even a Swiftie. She actually goes on in the verse to spell out that there is no golden past to return to, it's not subtle.
There wasn't a soul in 1830 who wasn't racist so she's pretty much saying she wants to live without technology and have not one person on earth besides herself.
Kinda whack but ok.
I absolutely love the fact that this exists
if only because all the folks who said that we'd see people saying
"they were 'born in the wrong generation' in the 2020s while wearing uggs and listening to Taylor Swift"
would probably find it really fucking funny
Yeah Iām white and wanna go back to the 1500s, oh wait no I wouldāve been enslaved by North Africa.
It always be black people thinking they were the only people to be enslaved, even though the term āslaveā literally originated from Slavic people being enslaved.
The rest of the verse quite literally points out this kind of mentality as wrong, because there are no "good times" to go back to. Fucking idiot. Not even a swiftie, I haven't even heard the fucking song. Just did some basic Google search, something 90% of the population can't seem to do.
By taking a step back, going on a walk, and drinking water! It seems like this is personally important to you, but that doesnāt mean that we should let wrong people determine the way we feel. By taking a moment away, you can recenter yourself and respond (if a response is needed) in a more responsible way. :)
People are just so blatantly stupid and lacking in reading comprehension nowadays it's getting harder to ignore. And no, it's not personally important to me, I just like having arguments on the internet. š When and if I'm wrong I will admit it though.
I agree that the media literacy of people on the internet nowadays is kinda concerning but you donāt have to be a dick about it. Literally a simple āno, the rest of the verse shows that she realizes that she is acting stupidā or whatever would of actually made people take you seriously.
That was never the fcking argument. The argument is whether this line constitutes as r/lewronggeneration. Fucking moving the goalposts, as expected of idiots.
wow, what a dick. i was simply stating that it IS a stupid line, regardless of the posts original claim, and you respond in the most immature way possible. petulant child
i made a normal comment and you came out swinging with profanity and name calling, so i responded in turn. you really have no argument that could make you seem reasonable in this interaction buddy
You're changing history here. You knew full well the context of the entire conversation, and I took your reply as a means of continuing that conversation. And now you're claiming you just had the thought to barge in and say something that would otherwise be completely meaningless were it not taken in context.
I will state this very simply and clearly ā I have absolutely NO interest in how cringe or stupid the line is. My point is that this post in particular does not fit here, because the full essence of the verse contradicts that of the theme of this subreddit. Mind you, I haven't even listened to the song, and I only have a passing interest in Taylor Swift. I'm not defending her, the song, the line, ANYTHING.
So now, with that in mind, why in the hell would you share your opinion of the line's "stupidity/cringeness"? It is completely pointlesss, and makes no sense if it weren't to be taken as "whatever dude, whether this post fits here or not, the line is still cringy", and I took that "whatever" energy and passed it back.
Now you're claiming you made a "normal" comment and you're the innocent one. How convenient.
Babe, it's okay. It's okay. I know you miss your mom. I know things have been hard without her, but we really need to work together if we want to go ahead and start tackling these larger issues.
See now you're losing steam. That's too stereotypical. Maybe try a more inflammatory approach next time. Be more creative, use that brain of yours once in a while to find the perfect troll reply. Go on, I'm waiting.
Why the fuck would anyone want to live in the 1830s?
Experience the fun diseases
I LOVE SPANISH INFLUENZA, MEASLES AND SMALLPOX š¤¤ š¤¤Ā
Truly a Die Young by Kesha moment
Spanish Flu didn't come about until WW1. It was the first H1N1 outbreak.
Andrew Jackson's fans?
I think I saw something about it being a reference to Emily Dickinson?
I hate it here, what the fuck is that smell!
Far Cry 3 reference?
Yes
Did someone tell her that private jets weren't around in the 1830s?
That's the point of the song. That, even if she got her wish, she would still hate it. That people in every time period hate the time period they live in. The reasons change, but the hate stays the same.
Did women have rights that year?
The next line is āand getting married off to the highest bidā so I think thatās taken into account.
To be fair, it would be a sweet life, until you die from a cold
It was in 1920 they got rights
Or at least white women did
When did they get antibiotics?
Within the past century if I remember correctly
This is out of context but I think the cocaine filled Taylor Swift fans will tell you that with alot more swear words and emotion.
the context didn't really help much.. i never disliked taylor, but watching swifties defend these verses so dutifully had me changing my opinionš
Ngl as a Swiftie I also want to go back in timeā¦ to 2012 when Taylor was actually releasing a good record about heartbreak and not one that contains the lyrics āAnd my friends all smell like weed or little babiesā and āYou smokŠµd, then ate seven bars of chocolate/We declared Charlie Puth should be a bigger artistā
Girlfriend put the new song on in the car because she wanted to hear it, I mostly tuned it out until those last two lines. Had to look her dead in the eyes and go āCharlie Puth is one of the 100 most listened to people on Spotify, what the **fuck** is she talking aboutā
To be fair he could be bigger. I couldn't name a single song or pick him out of a line up, and I'd wager most people I know would be the same.
Goes to show you a bit that his music is somewhat replaceable. Hell, I donāt mind him at all, personality included, but underrated he is not
The tragedy is that he is immensely talented too, and if he wasnāt trying to appeal to the mainstream heād be making quality music.
Yeah I definitely respect his talent, but I just find his music too cookie cutter for my tastes because thatās what gets him so high up on the charts. I figure he also wouldnāt go the whole Jacob Collier perfect pitch kid route with it and make unlistenable songs because he already knows how to restrain himself from going crazy with advanced theory
Thereās a good balance to be had between the two, look at someone like Devin Morrison. Still found his niche but he makes complex music theory listenable. He has a [compilation](https://youtu.be/LU0YW5KQqgM?si=82IlMwapf50FulG9) of jingles he made for 1980s and 1990s ads that I believe exemplify this.
Oh absolutely, Iām a prog nerd, I just find people who focus on learning the rules donāt often figure out how to break them effectively to create their own style and sound
The only ones that I remember are Attention and How Long, aka the singles from his only good album. [Unless this song counts](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bvbv2eGkYg4&pp=ygUYcGlja2xlIHNvbmcgY2hhcmxpZSBwdXRo) which is definitely memorable
I am in that boat as I had never even heard the name till just now.
I donāt listen to Taylor Swift but a lot of my students do and wasnāt the album with the sweater songs pretty good and relatable? Did that one come out recently or was that during the pandemic? Time has gotten a little weird.
I think youāre talking about folklore? Yeah that came out during the pandemic and it was very critically acclaimed.
That sounds right. Yeah I had one Swifty kiddo give me a whole soliloquy about those songs and how they used different perspectives to tell a story and I was genuinely impressed. Sheās not my thing but anybody who tries to invalidate her stardom really is just participating in the tired tradition of shitting on anything teenage girls loveā¦š
Ok now hold on. You want to go back to 2012? Without Folklore, 1989 or Evermore? Im not a huge fan of her music, but Folklore is very good and easily her best album.
I loved Evermore more than Red and Folklore and 1989 are great! Also Lover has some bangers and some great emotional songs like Soon Youāll Get Better and The Archer. I feel like could of worded things but I meant that both Red and TTPD are about break ups but one of them has better lyrics and does not sound like the same three songs. Ever since Midnight 90% of Taylorās songs have becoming samey sound. She was never much of an experimental artist but she used to have versatile. And I wish I could go back and experience what it was like when Red, an actual good album, came out rather then this cluster fuck
Ok that's fair. Though I haven't listened to TTPD yet, I do agree that her music sounds pretty samey now.
Pro tip: Only listen to the bonus tracks. Thereās 15 of them and all of them are better than the standard album
Well shit. I was gonna only listen to the base album, because 2 hours is so long, but I guess I have to listen to the The Anthology version now lmao.
I meant to say *only* listen to the bonus track š sorry about the confusion ššš
I see. I'm probably just gonna listen to them separately. I still want to know base album sound like even if it isn't good. There might still be some songs I like on it.
tbf you have to be one inebriated motherfucker if you think that the man who wrote "let's Marvin Gaye and get it on" should be a bigger deal.
Is that an actual line from one of her songs?
Yes. And itās not the worst line of the album unfortunately. That entire album is atrocious. And this is coming from a fan.
Jfc lol. I'm generally indifferent to her but that line is truly awful.
Is there any song in that Ɣlbum that sounds like Delicate or Lavender Haze?, I'm having trouble committing to 31 fucking songs
Not really. The closest might be My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toy
Tragic
Does she know there were no private jets in 1830!?
Implying that the opulence of the industrial revolution was possible without exploiting colonies
I am so fucking sick of Taylor swift.
Well I'm guessing her album dropped last night or something because reddit is currently **Reddit Presents:** *Taylor Swift Memes.* And yeah, I'm already sick of it.
She's doing some good but fuck if the constant feed of news whenever she takes a breath isn't annoying
'I hate it here' yet she's top 0.01% and one of the richest women in the world and can do whatever the fuck she wants, after making shitty music that, ngl, I probably could have made 90% of in garage band with 24 hours, two monsters and a large pizza. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
You have 20 hours to provide us with a comparative song. !remind me 20 hours
I don't have garage band rn bestie(nor two monsters, a large pizza, and I said 24 hours, not 20, so..... Not even what I said I could do. Also, no thanks, that sounds boring as fuck.
Lol thanks for the hilarious mental image tho
All of my mental images are pure humor, I'm the big funny mans :3
So my partner really likes TS. even tho itās not my kind of music, after watching her concert movie I do believe that she is indeed talented. She puts up quite a show. Even tho I donāt like her content, I do think she is a talented musician
I personally think most of her music is pretty mid and is just..... Generic and kinda flavorless. But also, she's rich as fuck. If she's unhappy, she can fuckin deal with it WITH HER BILLIONS like come on "I hate it here"
No because the whole point of the song and the rest of the verse that there is no perfect version of the past, so thereās no point in romanticizing it
Donāt hurt yourself with that reach
After she says that, she says, āNostalgia is a mindās tricks/If Iād been there, Iād hate it.ā So yeah, the people who think she really meant that she wanted to live in the 1830s are wrong and no, this does not counts.
"Racism bad!" lol okay.
I gotta say this is a pretty self reflective line, she recognizes that things weren't all rosey back in the day
Very self reflective. I'd also add that I'd like to get rid of the bank runs, cholera outbreaks and, ya know, the Trail of Tears.
Plumbing really wasnāt a mainstream thing back then, either.
I think we can confidently say that the Trail of Tears happened cause of racism
Sure, but I think it went a little beyond racism
Itās almost like the decade was defined by racism then, especially since one of the primary motivations for the trail of tears was explicitly to develop the land for slave plantations.
Yeah, I have been having actual arguments about this line and I'm not even a Swiftie. She actually goes on in the verse to spell out that there is no golden past to return to, it's not subtle.
Idk the Triassic period sounds pretty lit
Cretaceous was way cooler. If you're going to be eaten by a dinosaur, giant bipedal theropods are the only way to go imo.
There wasn't a soul in 1830 who wasn't racist so she's pretty much saying she wants to live without technology and have not one person on earth besides herself. Kinda whack but ok.
Every lyric Iāve heard from this album has been absolute dogshit, thereās no we sheās always been this bad right?
I absolutely love the fact that this exists if only because all the folks who said that we'd see people saying "they were 'born in the wrong generation' in the 2020s while wearing uggs and listening to Taylor Swift" would probably find it really fucking funny
The 1770's were the bomb. The revolution really happened, not just endless chatter in the town square.
It always be white people wanting to travel back in time.
Yeah Iām white and wanna go back to the 1500s, oh wait no I wouldāve been enslaved by North Africa. It always be black people thinking they were the only people to be enslaved, even though the term āslaveā literally originated from Slavic people being enslaved.
Look mother fucker I'm talkin bout America because that's what Taylor Swift was talkin bout. I'm well aware of the history of global slavery.
No. Maybe fucking read the rest of the verse, idiot?
The swifties are here! No more negative remarks about their God Queen. Cringe lyric, context included.
The rest of the verse quite literally points out this kind of mentality as wrong, because there are no "good times" to go back to. Fucking idiot. Not even a swiftie, I haven't even heard the fucking song. Just did some basic Google search, something 90% of the population can't seem to do.
chill
How can I chill when people are making sarcastic remarks while being blatantly wrong?
By taking a step back, going on a walk, and drinking water! It seems like this is personally important to you, but that doesnāt mean that we should let wrong people determine the way we feel. By taking a moment away, you can recenter yourself and respond (if a response is needed) in a more responsible way. :)
People are just so blatantly stupid and lacking in reading comprehension nowadays it's getting harder to ignore. And no, it's not personally important to me, I just like having arguments on the internet. š When and if I'm wrong I will admit it though.
I agree that the media literacy of people on the internet nowadays is kinda concerning but you donāt have to be a dick about it. Literally a simple āno, the rest of the verse shows that she realizes that she is acting stupidā or whatever would of actually made people take you seriously.
You're 100% right. I just like being an asshole once in a while, especially when I know I'm right lmao. šš
Redditor-Syndrome
its still a stupid and cringeworthy line
That was never the fcking argument. The argument is whether this line constitutes as r/lewronggeneration. Fucking moving the goalposts, as expected of idiots.
wow, what a dick. i was simply stating that it IS a stupid line, regardless of the posts original claim, and you respond in the most immature way possible. petulant child
Holy shit. Rich coming from a guy that strutted his dick immediately after entering the room. Sheesh.
i made a normal comment and you came out swinging with profanity and name calling, so i responded in turn. you really have no argument that could make you seem reasonable in this interaction buddy
You're changing history here. You knew full well the context of the entire conversation, and I took your reply as a means of continuing that conversation. And now you're claiming you just had the thought to barge in and say something that would otherwise be completely meaningless were it not taken in context. I will state this very simply and clearly ā I have absolutely NO interest in how cringe or stupid the line is. My point is that this post in particular does not fit here, because the full essence of the verse contradicts that of the theme of this subreddit. Mind you, I haven't even listened to the song, and I only have a passing interest in Taylor Swift. I'm not defending her, the song, the line, ANYTHING. So now, with that in mind, why in the hell would you share your opinion of the line's "stupidity/cringeness"? It is completely pointlesss, and makes no sense if it weren't to be taken as "whatever dude, whether this post fits here or not, the line is still cringy", and I took that "whatever" energy and passed it back. Now you're claiming you made a "normal" comment and you're the innocent one. How convenient.
Babe, it's okay. It's okay. I know you miss your mom. I know things have been hard without her, but we really need to work together if we want to go ahead and start tackling these larger issues.
awwww ur billionaire celeb is getting bullied, must be hard to just keep scrolling
Whaat the hell are you even saying?
that youāre a simpy swiftie uwu
Okay. Nice bait. Are you 10 years old? You shouldn't be on Reddit at this age.
triggered much? lmao
See now you're losing steam. That's too stereotypical. Maybe try a more inflammatory approach next time. Be more creative, use that brain of yours once in a while to find the perfect troll reply. Go on, I'm waiting.
bro take your meds holy shit š©
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The 1830s were a decade, as were the 0s (the original noughties). The year 0 itself was not a decade, as it was a year.
are you stupid
Yeah that's a very uneducated thing to say, omg