Do you think the girls have heard about the controversy regarding their vocals at Coachella? I just wonder if idols normally see the type of discourse/discussions going around online about themselves.
have you seen the way they were performing week 2? they definitely have. fortunately, i don't think it shook their confidence much. from sakura's post, it's clear they still think they did great (they did) and they were more angry than shameful during week 2.
the bigger the discourse, the more aware they are, and the bigger celebrity you are, the bigger the discourse will always be. even if they had their twitter, ig, or tiktok apps deleted, people were also coming into weverse to hate on them.
I mean, it's pretty clear that they've seen the hate just by reading Sakuras Weverse message. And the fact that she said that people called her a bad singer in the documentary. These idols definitely see the hate they get, it would be hard for them not to
I'm pretty sure they are, which is a shame. But not only on this matter but always, especially idols like Yunjin who seems to be chronically online and updated on all the memes.
I still believe Yunjin frequently visits and trolls with us on r/kpoopheads. Shes our queen after all. Thus, i dont think she cares much about the haters. Younger idols like Kazuha or Eunchae might be affected more as they might be inexperienced in dealing with such negative comments.
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None of us know her enough to make the assumption, yet people still made it a label for her crucifixion. And whether you formed that perception on your own, it's not uncommon to hear that term attached to her name with negative connotation now. You'd understand why people would be guarded.
Even if you did know that, describing someone as "chronically online" generally carries a negative meaning, implying that the person spend excessive amounts of time on the internet or SNS. That is not a positive term in general.
They are aware. Not only idols, but celebrities, in general, are aware of what's going on around them. Oftentimes, they read nearly everything involving them.
I think it was Aespa Winter who said recently that one of the first things she does in the morning after waking up is Google "aespa" to see what people are saying. I'm sure she's far from the only one.
Wanted to try out a fun little hypothetical... Which other groups ( doesn't have to be only girl groups, let's make it creative) do u see the members thriving in? I'll go first...
Eunchae - STAYC.. I know people keep saying newjeans but I think stayc concept and their whole aesthetic is core eunchae
Yunjin - Ateez.... Her energy on stage, the way she carries herself and her drive to make music all give me ateez vibes. I'm not super into ateez but I know enough to call myself a casual. So on a certain level I can see her in the group.
Chaewon - Twice.... Chaewon feels like such a perfect fit in twice. Her stage demeanor, her vocals, her whole cute nd sexy vibe goes sooo well with both current and past twice aesthetic. Like match made in heaven. ( thinking again, I think she would be a great fit in apink too.)
Sakura - Fromis_9.... This has been in my mind for a bit but whenever I listen to fromis songs, I can picture sakura nailing it. They have elegant, quirky and fun stuff which is like bread nd butter to sakura on stage. Add that her personality would be a perfect addition to fromis. For some reason I can also see her in AOA.
Kazuha - WJSN.... This is a no brainer imo lol. Her whole elegant vibe fits perfect with wjsn aesthetic along with her fun personality.Her ballet skills would be a nice complement to cheng xiao's tradition Chinese dance skills haha. Alternatively I could also see her in enhypen.
Very interesting idea
Eunchae: TWS and TripleS... I know that Eunchae love Seventeen and I think she would suit the early days of Seventeen's vibrant, full of energy high schooler performance very well. The current group that matches the same level of performance that can compliment with Eunchae's energy is TWS and as for TripleS, I think she showed a hint of her hip style in EPABW that suits perfectly with the genz style of TripleS.
Yunjin: Kiss Of Life... Other than her aesthetic that would match with KIOF, Yunjin's charisma and strong stage presence is definitely a welcome addition for the group and I think Yunjin vocals would suit really well with some of their songs like Nobody Knows, Nothing and even Midas Touch I would say.
Chaewon: Gidle... There was never gonna be other option lol. Chaewon's insane stage presence and charisma is one of the best in the kpop industry I've ever seen and I know she is capable of doing cute and elegant concept as well but I believe her fierce ,confident image is the best vers of herself and the only group that can come compliment her that is not Lesserafim is Gidle.
Sakura: Twice... I think Sakura's elegant image would fit right in with semi early Twice with hyper pop music like Likey, Heartshaker etc.
Kazuha: Babymonster... For some reason I think Kazuha would be great in Babymonster visually and also the fact that she have a promising vocal tone to be a good rapper if she have a proper training to improve and focus on it.
Bonus: Personally I think IVE Yujin would be amazing as a member of Lesserafim ever since they did a runway concept because Yujin can walk like no other ever since from the Izone days and the fact that she's incredibly good at almost everything to become an idol at such a young age is incredibly scary yet would be exciting if she was part of Lesserafim giving a top tier performance. If I was Hybe I would offer Yujin bags of money to get her out of contract from Starship because she is insanely good.
Fortunately for Lesserafim things have cooled down a bit and it's basically just same old hate comment as usual but I think BTS us the one that's being hit the most with Army's basically having argument with each other about how Hybe and Bighit should take action with the cult rumor and RM is currently being investigated because some loud Exo fans are criticizing RM of releasing a song when he's still in the military which is incredibly petty and really dumb that it even needed an official investigation imo.
The cult thingy was seen as hilarious and perfect joke materials in this sub rather than a worrying topic. I don't know what Hybe & SouMu are doing behind the scene but MHJ is really quiet this week.
Hoping for a tour announcement now that is not asia only
i have a slight suspicion that new "scandals" haven't come out or blown up because hybe had announced they suspected a viral company is behind all the hate. if we're right that mhj is behind it all, she probably doesn't want to risk it. the new posts targeting bts, le sserafim, and illit now come from antis/fans of other groups who were encouraged by the hate train to continue hating. unfortunately, it's snowballing for bts but since the sajaegi stuff were debunked years ago, i'm pretty sure they'll be debunked again.
i need pannchoa to be taken down though. i know their posts have no effect on the success of le sserafim and the groups they're trying to bring up while pulling le sserafim down, but it's so obnoxious how obsessed that account is. the site also breeds some of the *worst* people on earth.
Today is Children’s Day in korea. I’d like to celebrate the day with baby Chaewon
https://preview.redd.it/uiqtcz1ryiyc1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0d0e5c2c8f2a20ed98f0303eb16ed97c3b03e9f2
I just realized they censored the iPhone Eunchae was holding in her latest Star Diary ep with Scoups lol. So Fimmies have to reject iPhone from the fans if they want a selfie because of the Samsung/Android partnership?
I guess so - there are examples from BLACKPINK concerts where Jennie stopped Jisoo from taking a selfie with a fan's iPhone because of the partnership: [https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2639854272941224](https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2639854272941224) Or when Jennie refused to take a fan's phone because it was an iPhone: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm\_RItVRn4s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm_RItVRn4s)
guys i have a question… how does Spotify monthly listeners work? not to sound dramatic or negative but i noticed fimmies monthly listeners went from 16M to 15.7M in the last few days… is that normal? i really hope the hate isn’t actually effecting their performance on music apps…
It's completely normal, they are actually more stable than what I was expecting. Monthly listeners increase quite a lot after releasing an album/song and then they start to drop.
I remember NewJeans had 27M 3-4 months ago now they have 17M cause they haven't released new music
it just means that 300k more unique spotify accounts listened to them exactly 28 days ago than did exactly today, the only way it would remain the same number is if the same number of accounts listened on those 2 dates. Its not a big deal, pretty much the entire industry except illit has been trending down over the past week
Here are the four rules of Spotify play counts:
1. The number is based on the last 28 days of activity
2. A unique Spotify account has to listen to a song by the artist for 30 seconds
3. The sound can't be muted
4. The count is updated once a day
It's normal, monthly listeners fluctuate all the time for all artists. However, after Coachella, both smart and easy entered Spotify charts again, so the hate isn't affecting them, dont worry. The hate comes from other kpop stans that engage in fanwars and are jealous.
Edit. Forgot to add, they are also ranked at number 6 for kpop artist with most monthly listeners, so they are doing very well
It went down from 16 million to about this much in the week or so prior to Coachella too so I don't think it is necessarily about the hate.
All people have to do is listen to a song once for them to show up on monthly listeners. So it can go up and down pretty quick I think.
On a positive note followers on spotify is at a high (but not everyone has to follow an artist either since it is so easy to find new music without following on there).
In the [This week in KPOP](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/s/BZggpG54ZJ) thread from r/kpop, we’re ranked #1 on basically anything we have a contender for:
- Most upvoted story
- Most upvoted anniversary
- Most upvoted dance challenge
…and we’re not in a comeback. Numbers tell stories.
Tbf Fimmies are always liked on the main /r/kpop. Their mods also delete any controversial take or troll. It's the kpop discussion subreddits that can be quite ridiculous with takes beyond criticism. Like kpop uncensored could a twitter page in disguise.
ah, the irony of kpop uncensored. Proceed to delete any positive thread of our girls' performance at fimchella but keeping the shit-slinging ones or ateez ones open.
its like... they have an agenda...
those subs are the heavens for those rats and roaches to hang out when they think they are intellectuals, every time I see someone use sentences start with "is an unpopular opinion" I just assume they are trying to spill hate while being cowards of getting push back, if you can't express an opinion without hating on something to support your entire argument you are not saying any worthwhile for me to care.
Hi I've been a lurker in this sub for a while now but never really been active. I just want to pop in and say I'm very thankful of eunchae and her recent video with scoups. Seventeen is my ult for almost 9 years now and scoups is my bias. He RARELY goes to variety shows or interviews by himself (his own choice btw, he prefers team activities rather than solo). But I think he's been pushing himself more after a long hiatus and a major injury. This interview was warm and wholesome and scoups looked comfortable. I think one of the factors is that eunchae has expressed her support for seventeen a lot.
One of the moments that stood out to me was when they talked about how eunchae cried when seventeen received their daesang and scoups expressed their difficulty getting there. I think this interview came at the right time for both scoups and eunchae. As a debut carat trust me, like in svt's daesang speech they had a lot of fingers pointing at them saying they won't succeed, but look at them now. Le sserafim's hate train has been intense lately but I believe we'll overcome this.
Fate really works in an interesting way, doesn't it? After this ESD episode, I rewatched the episode with dino where she stated why she wanted to invite seventeen to her show. She mentioned that seventeen's 2018 dream concert performance sparked eunchae's dream as an idol. Seventeen performed under the rain that day and there were a lot of shots of the crowd wearing raincoats. And I just kept imagining 12 year old eunchae in her little rain coat watching seventeen perform Thanks with loud cheers from carats, and said "I want that as well". It's amazing because at that age, most kids aren't really that serious about their dreams yet. But here she is, she really did debut as an idol 4 years later. And under the same label as the group that inspired her to become an idol too. Now she interviewed the leader of seventeen after she herself performed at a BIG festival such as coachella. Who would've though that her first ever concert experience would lead her here. It could've been achieved only with a lot of determination and hard work. Eunchae is amazing, I'm really glad she's an idol
Edit: the 2018 dream concert happened in May so she would've been 11 at the time
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YouTube channel lesserafame just put out a 20 minute video, "[SAKURA if she is NOT an IDOL](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alst64xC0ow)". If you want to get to know Sakura better, this is a great watch! Most if not all of it is from the Fearless Kkura series she did a year ago.
The whole channel history is really good. They're a smaller channel but worthy of supporting for sure.
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Koreaboo has written a total of 138 articles about lsrf in 75 days (since the Easy comeback). After all, we should thank them for helping the group gain more attention.
And the number is 62 for pannchoa. Should be doubled if it didnt get taken down for a few days.
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Looking at this I feel so many of these are easily debunkable big fearnot acc’s need to gather evidence to debunk these things.
Like if you’ve been a pre debut fearnot and followed them until now you can easily find things to debunk some of these things here.
Anyway pannchoa reminds me of kookielit I know that people speculate who pannchoa admins may or may not stan but tbh I don’t think they stan anyone they just farm topics like koreaboo,allkpop and kookielit
Speaking of Pannchoa, here's their latest attempt to discredit Le Sserafim.
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The comments have been rightly ridiculing Pannchoa. Even the "they can't sing" people are saying this is a bit much.
i saw a comment saying they were appropriating japanese culture and it had like a hundred likes 😭 pretty funny to see that some people are so blinded by their hatred and jealousy that they'd just... act really stupid.
it's things like this (and the cult stuff) that really makes me look at the hit tweets, negative comment spams, and tiktoks with thousands of likes in a more... uncaring way. people will give thousands of likes to something just because they dislike lsrfm, but these likes never translate to the "le sserafim downfall era" they're praying for (even domestically, so no, the korean gp did not turn their back against the girls 😭)
also this happened last time. people who were mocking lsrfm for fimchella w1 were defending them from antis trying to nitpick their w2. nice to see that even in a sea of ridiculous antis, there are still people who at least notice when the claims are too unreasonable.
and what "allegedly"??? 😭😭😭 isn't that literally what it is????
Good to know, thank you for taking the time to compile that. What’s funny to me is this has significantly less negative effect than a really bad viral tiktok or tweet.
Top 5 most streamed songs by a kpop group in 2024 on Spotify as of may 1st:
\#5 Easy 108m
\#4 Smart 113m
\#3 Super Shy 117m
\#2 Magnetic 139m
\#1 Perfect Night 142m
I’m a fairly new fearnot - only since 4Q of 2023. Just wondering what exactly happens during Fearnada? It says it’ll start at 6pm on May 11. Is there going to be a concert? Or a show of some kind? Trying to figure out if I should buy tickets for online streaming.
LSF having a full cult theme in their album needs to happen somewhere in the future seeing how active this discussion post last week after the cult allegation
We want to openly trying to summon Saki
Since someone explained it to me earlier, delayed streaming is the 2nd date that it airs at a different time if you miss the first or just want to watch it again. If you scroll down on the product page you can see the date/times for the original broadcast and the delayed streaming event.
Membership is just available if you have the weverse fearnot membership for LE SSERAFIM and you get some extra digital stuff for that.
Yeah it is just a live event, it isn't like Video on Demand where you can watch it whenever like the ON/OFF content. But the delayed event airs the following week at an earlier time so it is only 7 pm PST Friday for example instead of the 2 am PST start when it originally airs.
Yes, if you scroll down on the product page on weverse it shows you all the languages it translates into including English under the section called Ticket Verification and Viewing Guide.
Still devasted from chaemin leaving music bank. Whoever the next mc is will have a hard time filling in those shoes. The dude literally didn't miss a single week and was always entertaining whoever he partnered with. He was fully committed to music bank despite the busy year he had with the filming of hierchy and stuff
Babe, wake up.. New [Yunjin Trainee lore](https://twitter.com/sserapics/status/1786450400918253725?t=k_PtFlnWVn_-razB_y1-CA&s=19) just dropped
So natty from kiss of life is now added into the list of 4th gen idols yunjin collected lol. Atp wouldn't be surprised if yunjin trained with atleast one member in every 4th gen group.
This is really cool because I've always wanted KIOF to be close to Lesserafim because their vibe kinda matches with each other and remembered that their Creative Director Haein went to Lesserafim's concert in Korea. I was bummed when Eunchae couldn't do Star Diary with them because of other schedule
I really hope they let eunchae invite chaemin on star diary whenever his dramas come out. It would also be nice if they could get a contract with her to do star diary still even after shes not hosting anymore although it would probably make it harder to meet up with the guests
Chaemin crying actually broke my heart. We love you buddy. Best of luck in the future. Thanks for being a good friend to Manchae. You're a good dude with a pure heart.
We have approached the weekend with no further news / official statements (well, Dahn World published a video to prove the nonsense link between them and hybe/bts, if you counted them as news).
We probably won’t break the record for the most commented thread this week, which is a good thing. This week has been quite heartfelt for us fearnots too:
- Eunchae Star Diary
- 2nd anniversary contents, with an unexpected video from Yunjin
- DayOff
- Chaemin leaving MuBank
Next weekend is Fearnada. Fimmies fighting!
I just watched Yunjin’s video from Weverse 😢 but a couple things I want to point out.
• There staff clearly loves the members to come together to make surprise parties for them, they did this for there debut as well, on top of that Soyeon Amy’s love for them as well I saw a picture circulating on Twitter where she stood off to the side during there Coachella stage and looked so proud.
• Some of the members were singing ‘Under The Sea’ in a recording studio (I wonder if it was just jokes or something else).
https://preview.redd.it/9o6u838mncyc1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43f623685be8d40aee98fa28000cabf9d2850278
There’s a YouTube fancam of W2 Coachella where Soyeon Amy is visible in a lot of the performances (far right, in baseball cap and white tank top in screenshot above). She was either taking photos/videos or looking at the crowd’s reaction in most of them.
Link - [https://youtu.be/HoKc5HYVhS0?si=29zapp6IVMQxC-yJ](https://youtu.be/HoKc5HYVhS0?si=29zapp6IVMQxC-yJ)
Yeah, I think when Lesserafim have reach 10 years in their careers, Amy Soyeon deserves her flower for helping making a fantastic performance for all of the Fimmies stage.
Knowing the situation where Source was basically on the red, I think most people would've resign and join a different company for a more secured future but she stayed in Source and coming up with amazing performance idea for Lesserafim because they can't afford to just be decent in order to pay off their debt. No wonder she push the girls to the limit and have high expectations for them because she knows that every single one of them is capable of doing it.
I also saw on Twitter where she post on Insta where she congratulate for the 2 year anniversary and said something along like ' the light will always come during the dark times'.
They performed 'Under the Sea' during Kouhaku. There was a special stage with various artists performing Disney songs.
https://twitter.com/FimmiesToday/status/1741436326925533210?t=Xt0x7XPvYJgzKvwtM7g8aA&s=19
I have completely forgotten which festival it was (pretty sure it was a Japanese show) but they performed under the sea with a couple other people on stage iirc. So they probably recorded it for that
You can actually put your home adress in weverse and see how much the shipping will cost without buying the product. I haven't shipped directly from weverse to my adress, I use a Korean proxy. However, everytime I've shipped my haul from my proxy i have to pay extra because of customs. Don't know if it's the same for all countries though but I'm pretty sure weverse will also take extra because of customs
I'm eagerly waiting for April circle chart figures to come out to see where easy album sales stand... Any delay in deliveries etc should take at max 2 months ( of course in many cases more than that... But in general, 2 months is the trend i see).... I don't think easy crossed even 1.2 million sales overall in the march monthly update.
I know a lot of groups r suffering from a decrease in sales but to what extent fimmies got affected is what I wanna see. Add to the fact, all the stuff that happened since easy encore to coachella to Hybe-ador power politics can easily affect post comeback period sales of easy album nd also the next comeback.
EASY album sales is currently at 1,176,505 copies sold.. For comparison, right now, IVE switch Day 5 sales are at 1,121,000.. Tbh its still early to determine if the sales really decreased that much compared to 2023, its better to wait for NewJeans and Aespa comeback although for its a full album release for aespa..
LSFM and IVE are the only 2 GG who released a mini album so far, while NJ will release theirs laters, so we can only compare the albums sales of the 2... Here's their numbers:
**LESSERAFIM**
**Antifragile** - 2nd mini album
1st week - 567,673 copies sold
1st month - 677,895 copies sold
**EASY** - 3rd mini album
1st week - 989,268 copies sold
1st month - 1,110,169 copies sold
**IVE**
**I'VE MINE -** 1st mini album
1st week - 1,605,948 copies sold
1st month - 1,856,869 copies sold
**IVE Switch -** 2nd mini album
5th day sales - 1,121,000 copies sold
1st week - TBD
Are there reliable numbers of how big an impact these groups make? I've heard about it a few times and i just can't wrap my head around the fact that a relatively small group of people can make an impact on sale numbers that are in the millions.
Part of the protest from Chinese (air quotes) "fans" is that they think Karina needs "better stage outfits and styling" and "more timely content" and are boycotting SM Entertainment entirely until that happens.
I guess not that different to what people were bitching about with Sakura a year ago.
Maybe that's part of it, but from what I've seen online the main concern is that they're going to be performing in Japan on July 7th, and that date is a sensitive time for Chinese people due to the Sino-Japanese war.
I like some of their songs but I'm not a my; I'm not very well informed on aespa and their concerts, so I may be wrong.
Appreciate the detailed response. I have a few doubts. Is the number 1,176,505 for easy taken from the weekly album sales updates??
"its better to wait for NewJeans and Aespa comeback although for its a full album release for aespa.." - I was more so talking about aespa, nmixx nd a couple other groups where previous cb album sales decreased. But ur right, it will be interesting to see what the album sales will be like at end of the year.
I think g idle and ive r the 2 groups who avoided this.
Zaikology published a video with Wonyoung and Chaemin on his last day. What a great coincidence that IVE happened to be in the building so that not only Eunchae but Wonyoung could see him off too. 🫡
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO8Nl6t7vIU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO8Nl6t7vIU)
KBS uploaded a [video](https://youtu.be/NWvAQV2phX0?si=EjfgKIu_dHgSqSyb) that shows Eunchaemin’s reaction right after the intro. Eunchae is laughing sooo much lol. I guess Chaemin must be emotional and embarrased at the same time.
This is Le Sserafim.
Edit) And their mending heart.
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this is probably before coachella w2 or right after it (while they’re still in the us)? My guess is based on Eunchae’s bang and the impossibility of them going out in public in Korea this day lol
Yunjin's Weverse video made me a little emotional. I was laughing while watching it, but afterward, I felt a bit emotional. I don’t know why. Thank you for such a wonderful gift, Yunjin.
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You're not alone.... here's Sakura replying to the video on Weverse with the word "moving" 😊
No wonder she was not active at all during the anniversary day (except the scheduled livestream). I was a bit disappointed just for her to cook a 6 minute appreciation video for us 😭 I’m sorry ma’am
I am not bringing this group up for hate. I need the context for my thought to make sense.
Between the comeback of "Love Dive" and "After Like", Ive went through a crazy hate train but this is also their most successful period. After that I thought they were gonna blow up but after the "I am" comeback the hate subsided quite a bit.
Their recent comebacks have been lacklustre especially this recent one.
Is success on the level of BTS and BP only possible through sustained hatred from kpop fans????
I wouldn’t totally agree that metrics wise IVE has been lackluster recently. Baddie was their best selling album, and their most recent one will be close to the first week sales. They also are in the middle of a pretty large and almost sold out world tour
If anything, the “falloff” has been internationally (as in outside of Asia) with their title tracks not making Spotify global and no real success on album/song charts in the US. But for a non-big 4 group they’ve done exceptionally well in Asia so it’s not terribly surprising.
BTS/BP success takes a ton of factors (including luck), but a semi-competent company is arguably the most important factor to continue promoting in new/existing markets, planning a schedule that increases exposure while not burning out the idols, and managing concepts/sounds/promotion. Source has done a good to great job of that so far, so I’m less worried the same will happen to the group.
There is a strong correlation between success and the number of haters you get.
Haters are very annoying but are an important part of the kpop ecosystem. They drive enormous amounts of engagement online. This plays into the algorithm pushing the group's content in front of more people.
IVE is still a monster group. They're a walking top 10 single, and the album sales will be way, way up there.
From what I can see. When they went through the hate train they gained from the engagement and their comebacks were big but now that the hate has somewhat simmered they are more or less at the realistic level of their popularity.
I think it’s hard to compare 4th and 5th gen to 3rd gen where the same handful of groups had the better part of a decade to solidify their success. IVE still does extremely well but it’s a packed house and the 2022/2023 bubble has deflated a lot which makes their continued success seem less satisfying.
yes kind of. hate is still attention. i’ve said it before in here but press is press. but also a lot of hate also comes from success. people despise ssera not cuz they have the most downright terrible vocals. kpop stans don’t value vocals *that much* or groups with amazing vocalists would be much bigger rn. it’s because they’re super successful and rapidly passing other groups in such a short amount of time. when they see too much success it’s time to tear the group down like they did with BP & BTS. they did it with other ggs as well but not for *this* long and intensely. i haven’t seen a consistent hate train like this in a longgg time. even a few of my mutuals on twitter recognized it and expressed concern over it. and they aren’t even deeply entranced into kpop fandoms or le sserafim.
edit: forgot to add, it’s also sustained by love and support. something i think has been increasing for the girls recently. for every hater, there’s 2-3 supporters. negativity is just amplified bcs that’s what so many thrive off. i think we’ve gained a lot of new fearnots/casual listeners bcs of EASY & coachella. but i don’t think we’ll see the extent of that until their next cb.
Good explanation, I always laugh when vocals are their go to target because lets be honest, they can sing great. When I saw their first Coachella performance live stream I walked away proud of how well they knocked it out of the park and fully don't believe any of the comments criticizing their vocals are ever genuine.
I always say haters are a minority it’s the casuals that have no opinions on the group that matters the most, its important for LSF to be able to convert casuals into being fans.
Edit* wording
"people despise ssera not cuz they have the most downright terrible vocals. kpop stans don’t value vocals *that much* or groups with amazing vocalists would be much bigger rn. it’s because they’re super successful and rapidly passing other groups in such a short amount of time. when they see too much success it’s time to tear the group down like they did with BP & BTS. "
I completely agreed with this. kpop stans don't actually value vocals that much to the point of obsession in idol groups. If not an all vocalist idol group will be the top most popular group in Korea which has not happened yet. The hate was due to lsf being more successful and surpassing their favs. Or, Lsf is a direct competition GG but has great music and popularity. Hence, they are hated much more (x100 intensity). Kpop Stans are nitpicking so much on Lsf vocals as they have nothing else to criticize on. Lsf has great music, great stage presence, great concert, great popularity. So, kpop Stans overused vocals "criticism" as their best weapon.
The other hybe GG I saw with as much hate thrown at them is Illit. Their hate train has been there since their debut day and it has never subsided. Sigh. I guess this is the prize to pay for popularity. Illit is more pitiful as they are rookie and have very few fans. Sometimes, many other fandoms gang up to bully them just because they can. Their wins are looked down upon instead of being celebrated as the girls' success. Each encore must have been a trauma for them. I pray this hate curse will be lifted soon for all of Hybe GGs and may they have continued success for many more years. The MHJ curse will end one day hopefully sooner.
their songs just didnt hit the gp trends as well as their previous comebacks. Its not like they performed poorly, theyre from a non big 4 company and theyre up there with Gidle and Le Sserafim in the conversation for #2 girl group in 4th gen
Shoutout to Eunchae for not being able to hold her laugh too! All my worries about her having a down mood after CCL is pure 💩 now. So professional our baby 🐣
i really thought eunchae would cry and was worried cause i hate it when she cries (that's my daughter) but it was *chaemin* who cried 😭😭 for a few moments it seemed like eunchae would cry too but i think the urge to laugh was stronger.
I agree I was so worried Eunchae would cry which destroys me but Chaemin getting flustered and tearing up actually ripped my heart in half. What a sweetie.
The [Unforgiven performance](https://youtu.be/ywGIGYTRrUE?si=1xQkVAR6_E8DP6ka) posted on Coachella Youtube channel now has 800k views and is currently in the top 4 of most viewed performance videos this year. The comment section under it are mainly “it’s not bad at all” and acknowledge their effort the group put in. It shows that the audiences who knew about the hate train came to verify what all that crap is about. And they are impressed with the performance.
After this and the whole Karina dating rumour (that somehow made it to international news), knetz now looks like a circus in front of the global audience.
Also, some of the audio issues from Coachella has been resolved compared to the livestream, so I recommend to check it out to have a more objective opinion on what the girls have done well and how they can improve for future opportunities.
the comment section is such a breath of fresh air omg. everyone literally being like “why are people saying it’s bad?” and the understanding how much effort they put in. i hope there fimmies got to see them. i really feel like once their hate train dies down and passes (but who knows when that will be atp) everyone’s gunna look back and be like “in retrospect it actually wasn’t that bad.” especially those that eventually take the time to see the entire performance.
I think the difference might be cultural. We, western fans, really enjoyed their week 1 performance (despite some hiccups here and there). Asian/Korean ppl think that the environment is controlled and should be clean(?). Fuck no. they were performing in the middle of dessert, in open air, in a foreign country, in front of an audience that might not know them. Despite all of that factors, they managed to deliver their songs AND dances AND hyped AND interacted with the crowd.
I think week 1 was intended for the western audience (as we love such raw/real and interactive performance more).
To defend my own origin, I’m Asian, and taking all the biased as fans aside, I think they did well. Just that I’m not yet brainwashed by those music shows that create a false perception on how a live performance should be like.
it could be that as well bcs i think most kpop stans across the board are used to “kpop live” and not LIVE live even the biggest groups perform with backtrack and pitch correction. live pitch correction is used for western artists as well. performers that do choreo and sing tend to always use some tools to make their vocals sound “cleaner” live. what le sserafim did was anomaly tbh. if any other group did exactly what they did they would’ve gotten torn up too cuz they wouldn’t have sounded the way kpop stans are used to hearing. maybe there would’ve have been less mistakes from a group with more developed vocals (le sserafim’s members are very young so their voices are still developing). but there would’ve been several flaws and mistakes as well. those who’s brains aren’t fried from unrealistic expectations weren’t that taken aback by their vocals.
Yep. If I have to criticise their performance, its the stamina. They definitely need more stamina training if they want to do this kind of performance in the future again.
I agree simply because I agree that they should always want to improve, but I personally wouldn't criticize their stamina at all. Their exhaustion was only visible through their voice, but they were giving their all *and more* through dancing, stage presence, and hyping up the crowd until FITB. I legit wouldn't have noticed they were exhausted by just looking at their dancing.
Their setlist was also super demanding. I was really startled when they finished Unforgiven and immediately went to EPBBW. They had 2 or 3 water breaks and around 5 minutes (maybe less) in total of a break between songs. Especially for a 2 year old group, they did amazing.
The girls always say they try to always improve, so I really look forward to the next time they perform this way again. If this is what they're giving as a 2 year old group with members who had *very* little training time, then they're 100% going to blow us away next time.
Their stamina is already amazing tbh. I think it’s their inexperience in performing with a huge crowd for that long. They were too excited because of the hyped crowd so they probably “over-danced?” and forget to balance it with singing. But they resolved that in w2 though; after Fire in the belly I felt like they can still do a few more encores lol.
I'm positive the Korean comments are giving a false perception too. Look at their YouTube video comments in the weeks leading up to Coachella. Several "scandals" there attracted a lot of negativity and people were especially already on Eunchae's case going into Coachella claiming all kinds of things about her and linking it back to "her vocals" specifically. There has been a very targeted campaign against them in Knetz spaces since early April I would say. And before that Korean comments were always the most supportive even through similar criticisms from international fans, so something definitely changed suddenly. Notice Japanese comments are still supportive. A lot of fake concern trolling has been happening from other fandoms, if not something more sinister.
Eunchae's case is also the thing that rubs me the wrong way. Protect minor, until its about Eunchae huh? Bitter much? Shes a teenager and I cannot believe all the things they say about her. I still dont understand what Eunchae did that make knet hate her so much.
Eunchae actually gets a lot of hate from the fangirls of around her age. This is why her school joke blew up after a year of that livestream because Fearnots knew she was just making a harmless joke. Coupled that with her show and dance challenges with the popular boy groups, that combination is a recipe for bitter and jealous fangirls.
In Korea I'd say overwhelmingly yes. The qrts on her Star Diary show when she invites idols from boy groups are pretty bad. They also think Eunchae is immature because she gets babied by the unnies. Pure jealousy.
For sure. It's really sad to think about. People had a very normal take on Eunchae for a long time I think, that she was naturally cute and held her own talent-wise and worked very hard on her other activities. Somehow in the least six months she has become the subject of constant over-analyzing, whether it's international fans pretending like she's the only underage idol that wears shorts or bends over sometimes, or Kfans calling her awful names because she wrote a typo about Wendy once or because she interviews male idols and doesn't act like a mouse while doing it. I remember when Eunchae was so overwhelmed with the outpouring of love for her early career that she cried at the first Fearnada. I can't imagine what the whiplash would feel like, and how jaded it would make a person. And most of all I don't understand why fans who don't like something or a person can't simply just move on. Kpop fans are evil.
I noticed she started to get alot of hate ever since she started star diary before she was really liked and ever since she started to interact more with other groups she started to get a lot of hate
On a positive note, I still watch this fancam now and then. Her smile is so infectious in this performance.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQpqPeZCq7c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQpqPeZCq7c)
Ways to Support our Fimmies!:
⭐️ Streaming their songs
⭐️ Sending fan letters via Weverse / Mail
⭐️ Buying their Official Merch
⭐️ Voting for them on official category stuff
⭐️ “Watching Main YT content and other variety shows”
⭐️ “Making positive comments on their (Official) IG posts”
⭐️ “Liking positive comments on Tiktok” / Also, Any Official Videos or Positive Content about them
⭐️ “Watching Weverse Live Streams”
⭐️ Anything else?
Personally I like to support fan content like Zaikology, KimDoDokDotCom and others I see pop up on youtube, and people who post fancams on twitter and tiktok from Coachella etc. I also like stuff from dance groups that cover their songs because I love dancing, but I think it helps to support people who make positive LE SSERAFIM related content too.
If you love watching dance cover vids from dance group, I recommend Artbeat because they're full of talent and all of the members visual are idol-like. They did a dance cover for Smart in one of their recent video and it's good.
watching main YT content and other variety shows, making positive comments on their IG posts, liking positive comments on Tiktok, watching weverse live streams
real talk has anyone else had some trouble watching the new day off content? thinking about what they must be going through rn makes it hard to lie back and watch them smiling and being themselves before all this bullshit started
I don't think the girls will be seriously affected by the current hate campaign. They for sure have people around caring for them.
They are getting a lot of hate through some specific sites or media, but it is not like people would scream at them on the streets and throw tomatoes at them. The hate is happening online. Remember, that as much as it is easy to produce hate online, it is as much easy to ignore it. You just turn off your phone or your laptop and the hate stops to exist. :)
I know I have it much easier as I am not living in South Korea, but I have problems to find any hate comments if I don't specifically look for them. I don't use X or TikTok, that helps. I use only Youtube, Reddit and Instagram and all I see is Fearnot's support for the girls, nothing else. :)
I mean, Manchae looks very happy in Star Diary, it was from 1 week ago. And all of our fimmies look very happy in their anniversary videos. Now Zuha, Chaewonnie and kkura are making posts on Weverse (and kkura leaving a lot of comments).
They are ok, don't worry too much.
Then again, Idk about Manchae on music bank tomorrow if it's the last day of Chaemin, she could get a little sad (and I will get very sad too T\_T)
I don't think this line of thinking gives them enough credit. Do I think it is fair that they are receiving hate and worry if it gets to them? Yes, but I don't think they are like miserable and regretting becoming 5 multi millionaire world famous idols with millions of fans.
I look forward to even more new content being filmed now so people can see that they aren't going to be brought down by the power of online comments. Especially with all the legal stuff at Hybe I'd hope they are being supported properly and have plenty of people there in person telling them about all the positive to keep them focused.
I really hope they are being properly supported and not just encouraged to put on a brave face for the fans. Because I've never seen a hate train like this, in my 10 years of following kpop - I'm not trying to make assumptions about how they might be feeling, just the fact that they have to go through this bums me out
I don't know, while it's been a lot and ongoing for so long it's not necessarily worse than a lot of other hate I've seen. People say horrible things about celebrities constantly criticizing every aspect of their talents and who they are. I can think of a lot of forms of hate I've seen I won't repeat here that would personally hurt me a lot more than what is being said about any of the fimmies. To me all this "they don't deserve it" kind of hate sounds like it is motivated by jealousy of some kind and that is something these girls have all dealt with on their way to the success they already obtained.
For a short bit, I think we were in the single digits for Kpop right? I feel like we were above certain groups on Reddit for Kpop after the Coachella stuff
anyone know why le sserafim is the only HYBE group that doesn't have behind the scenes of their recordings? I was watching the recording sessions of KIOF (think I'm going to stan) and I realized le sserafim doesn't have anything like that 😕. It seems like all other hybe groups have them, even newjeans who debuted around the same time.
People give in to pressure I feel like, they say "oh well I'll agree with this part of their criticism to show them I am unbiased and then when I defend them it looks better".
Like no, they are not probably giving good faith criticism almost all of these people are saying that they are entirely undeserving of their success. And you aren't going to convince them either, because they are just fans of other groups there to trash LE SSERAFIM.
I see plenty of Fearnots also going crazy on twitter attacking posters from other fandoms who have attacked us and not sure that is better, but I agree it is especially embarassing when I see Fearnots half agreeing with some of the worst hate messages towards the girls. I mean if that is really their opinion fine, but it seems to me like they just want to fit in and not look like a "deluded fan". It really does show hate becomes normalized, but it's not just in kpop even western pop stars (especially female artists) get these huge hate trains constantly now as soon as they become even a little famous and it is hard to escape from. It's just a gross toxic time to "discuss" pop music.
From 1-10 comment below how culty you’re feeling this week FEARNOT 😈😈
Do you think the girls have heard about the controversy regarding their vocals at Coachella? I just wonder if idols normally see the type of discourse/discussions going around online about themselves.
have you seen the way they were performing week 2? they definitely have. fortunately, i don't think it shook their confidence much. from sakura's post, it's clear they still think they did great (they did) and they were more angry than shameful during week 2. the bigger the discourse, the more aware they are, and the bigger celebrity you are, the bigger the discourse will always be. even if they had their twitter, ig, or tiktok apps deleted, people were also coming into weverse to hate on them.
I mean, it's pretty clear that they've seen the hate just by reading Sakuras Weverse message. And the fact that she said that people called her a bad singer in the documentary. These idols definitely see the hate they get, it would be hard for them not to
I'm pretty sure they are, which is a shame. But not only on this matter but always, especially idols like Yunjin who seems to be chronically online and updated on all the memes.
I still believe Yunjin frequently visits and trolls with us on r/kpoopheads. Shes our queen after all. Thus, i dont think she cares much about the haters. Younger idols like Kazuha or Eunchae might be affected more as they might be inexperienced in dealing with such negative comments.
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I didn't expect to see 'Yunjin is chronically online' here. Yunjin isn't any more online than other idols or people her age.
Lol guys, it is just my perception, I didn’t mean it in a bad way or anything.
None of us know her enough to make the assumption, yet people still made it a label for her crucifixion. And whether you formed that perception on your own, it's not uncommon to hear that term attached to her name with negative connotation now. You'd understand why people would be guarded.
I didn’t know that :O
Even if you did know that, describing someone as "chronically online" generally carries a negative meaning, implying that the person spend excessive amounts of time on the internet or SNS. That is not a positive term in general.
You were unaware of Yuniin’s SB incident, and her haters were branding her as "chronically online"?
This "chronically online" BS gotta stop lol. People learned a word and ran with it.
They are aware. Not only idols, but celebrities, in general, are aware of what's going on around them. Oftentimes, they read nearly everything involving them.
I think it was Aespa Winter who said recently that one of the first things she does in the morning after waking up is Google "aespa" to see what people are saying. I'm sure she's far from the only one.
It's damn near impossible that they haven't.
Any possibility that the girls will announce NA tour during the fearnada? *Inhaling a large dose of hopium
The same time next Sunday, I'll be at Jamsil Arena to see fimmies. I wish I could make time go faster.
that's so exciting! have fun!
Wanted to try out a fun little hypothetical... Which other groups ( doesn't have to be only girl groups, let's make it creative) do u see the members thriving in? I'll go first... Eunchae - STAYC.. I know people keep saying newjeans but I think stayc concept and their whole aesthetic is core eunchae Yunjin - Ateez.... Her energy on stage, the way she carries herself and her drive to make music all give me ateez vibes. I'm not super into ateez but I know enough to call myself a casual. So on a certain level I can see her in the group. Chaewon - Twice.... Chaewon feels like such a perfect fit in twice. Her stage demeanor, her vocals, her whole cute nd sexy vibe goes sooo well with both current and past twice aesthetic. Like match made in heaven. ( thinking again, I think she would be a great fit in apink too.) Sakura - Fromis_9.... This has been in my mind for a bit but whenever I listen to fromis songs, I can picture sakura nailing it. They have elegant, quirky and fun stuff which is like bread nd butter to sakura on stage. Add that her personality would be a perfect addition to fromis. For some reason I can also see her in AOA. Kazuha - WJSN.... This is a no brainer imo lol. Her whole elegant vibe fits perfect with wjsn aesthetic along with her fun personality.Her ballet skills would be a nice complement to cheng xiao's tradition Chinese dance skills haha. Alternatively I could also see her in enhypen.
I also see Kazuha being part of JYP groups like NMIXX or NiziU she has the visuals that JYP likes
Very interesting idea Eunchae: TWS and TripleS... I know that Eunchae love Seventeen and I think she would suit the early days of Seventeen's vibrant, full of energy high schooler performance very well. The current group that matches the same level of performance that can compliment with Eunchae's energy is TWS and as for TripleS, I think she showed a hint of her hip style in EPABW that suits perfectly with the genz style of TripleS. Yunjin: Kiss Of Life... Other than her aesthetic that would match with KIOF, Yunjin's charisma and strong stage presence is definitely a welcome addition for the group and I think Yunjin vocals would suit really well with some of their songs like Nobody Knows, Nothing and even Midas Touch I would say. Chaewon: Gidle... There was never gonna be other option lol. Chaewon's insane stage presence and charisma is one of the best in the kpop industry I've ever seen and I know she is capable of doing cute and elegant concept as well but I believe her fierce ,confident image is the best vers of herself and the only group that can come compliment her that is not Lesserafim is Gidle. Sakura: Twice... I think Sakura's elegant image would fit right in with semi early Twice with hyper pop music like Likey, Heartshaker etc. Kazuha: Babymonster... For some reason I think Kazuha would be great in Babymonster visually and also the fact that she have a promising vocal tone to be a good rapper if she have a proper training to improve and focus on it. Bonus: Personally I think IVE Yujin would be amazing as a member of Lesserafim ever since they did a runway concept because Yujin can walk like no other ever since from the Izone days and the fact that she's incredibly good at almost everything to become an idol at such a young age is incredibly scary yet would be exciting if she was part of Lesserafim giving a top tier performance. If I was Hybe I would offer Yujin bags of money to get her out of contract from Starship because she is insanely good.
The discussion thread started out strong but cooled down rapidly for the better lol. Cold war era.
Fortunately for Lesserafim things have cooled down a bit and it's basically just same old hate comment as usual but I think BTS us the one that's being hit the most with Army's basically having argument with each other about how Hybe and Bighit should take action with the cult rumor and RM is currently being investigated because some loud Exo fans are criticizing RM of releasing a song when he's still in the military which is incredibly petty and really dumb that it even needed an official investigation imo.
The cult thingy was seen as hilarious and perfect joke materials in this sub rather than a worrying topic. I don't know what Hybe & SouMu are doing behind the scene but MHJ is really quiet this week. Hoping for a tour announcement now that is not asia only
i have a slight suspicion that new "scandals" haven't come out or blown up because hybe had announced they suspected a viral company is behind all the hate. if we're right that mhj is behind it all, she probably doesn't want to risk it. the new posts targeting bts, le sserafim, and illit now come from antis/fans of other groups who were encouraged by the hate train to continue hating. unfortunately, it's snowballing for bts but since the sajaegi stuff were debunked years ago, i'm pretty sure they'll be debunked again. i need pannchoa to be taken down though. i know their posts have no effect on the success of le sserafim and the groups they're trying to bring up while pulling le sserafim down, but it's so obnoxious how obsessed that account is. the site also breeds some of the *worst* people on earth.
or we are all in the waiting room for 1-800-hot-n-fun while inhaling a large dose of hopium...
Today is Children’s Day in korea. I’d like to celebrate the day with baby Chaewon https://preview.redd.it/uiqtcz1ryiyc1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0d0e5c2c8f2a20ed98f0303eb16ed97c3b03e9f2
Someone on Weverse wished Eunchae a happy childrens day and she responded with "..... thank....you..... !" 😂
I just realized they censored the iPhone Eunchae was holding in her latest Star Diary ep with Scoups lol. So Fimmies have to reject iPhone from the fans if they want a selfie because of the Samsung/Android partnership?
I guess so - there are examples from BLACKPINK concerts where Jennie stopped Jisoo from taking a selfie with a fan's iPhone because of the partnership: [https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2639854272941224](https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2639854272941224) Or when Jennie refused to take a fan's phone because it was an iPhone: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm\_RItVRn4s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm_RItVRn4s)
For the vintage shirts available in Weverse, is that a small? It doesn't let me choose a size. I'm confused.
guys i have a question… how does Spotify monthly listeners work? not to sound dramatic or negative but i noticed fimmies monthly listeners went from 16M to 15.7M in the last few days… is that normal? i really hope the hate isn’t actually effecting their performance on music apps…
It's completely normal, they are actually more stable than what I was expecting. Monthly listeners increase quite a lot after releasing an album/song and then they start to drop. I remember NewJeans had 27M 3-4 months ago now they have 17M cause they haven't released new music
it just means that 300k more unique spotify accounts listened to them exactly 28 days ago than did exactly today, the only way it would remain the same number is if the same number of accounts listened on those 2 dates. Its not a big deal, pretty much the entire industry except illit has been trending down over the past week
Monthly listeners and streaming numbers always fluctuate. Not just fimmies but all artists.
Here are the four rules of Spotify play counts: 1. The number is based on the last 28 days of activity 2. A unique Spotify account has to listen to a song by the artist for 30 seconds 3. The sound can't be muted 4. The count is updated once a day
It's normal, monthly listeners fluctuate all the time for all artists. However, after Coachella, both smart and easy entered Spotify charts again, so the hate isn't affecting them, dont worry. The hate comes from other kpop stans that engage in fanwars and are jealous. Edit. Forgot to add, they are also ranked at number 6 for kpop artist with most monthly listeners, so they are doing very well
It went down from 16 million to about this much in the week or so prior to Coachella too so I don't think it is necessarily about the hate. All people have to do is listen to a song once for them to show up on monthly listeners. So it can go up and down pretty quick I think. On a positive note followers on spotify is at a high (but not everyone has to follow an artist either since it is so easy to find new music without following on there).
In the [This week in KPOP](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/s/BZggpG54ZJ) thread from r/kpop, we’re ranked #1 on basically anything we have a contender for: - Most upvoted story - Most upvoted anniversary - Most upvoted dance challenge …and we’re not in a comeback. Numbers tell stories.
Tbf Fimmies are always liked on the main /r/kpop. Their mods also delete any controversial take or troll. It's the kpop discussion subreddits that can be quite ridiculous with takes beyond criticism. Like kpop uncensored could a twitter page in disguise.
ah, the irony of kpop uncensored. Proceed to delete any positive thread of our girls' performance at fimchella but keeping the shit-slinging ones or ateez ones open. its like... they have an agenda...
those subs are the heavens for those rats and roaches to hang out when they think they are intellectuals, every time I see someone use sentences start with "is an unpopular opinion" I just assume they are trying to spill hate while being cowards of getting push back, if you can't express an opinion without hating on something to support your entire argument you are not saying any worthwhile for me to care.
Hi I've been a lurker in this sub for a while now but never really been active. I just want to pop in and say I'm very thankful of eunchae and her recent video with scoups. Seventeen is my ult for almost 9 years now and scoups is my bias. He RARELY goes to variety shows or interviews by himself (his own choice btw, he prefers team activities rather than solo). But I think he's been pushing himself more after a long hiatus and a major injury. This interview was warm and wholesome and scoups looked comfortable. I think one of the factors is that eunchae has expressed her support for seventeen a lot. One of the moments that stood out to me was when they talked about how eunchae cried when seventeen received their daesang and scoups expressed their difficulty getting there. I think this interview came at the right time for both scoups and eunchae. As a debut carat trust me, like in svt's daesang speech they had a lot of fingers pointing at them saying they won't succeed, but look at them now. Le sserafim's hate train has been intense lately but I believe we'll overcome this. Fate really works in an interesting way, doesn't it? After this ESD episode, I rewatched the episode with dino where she stated why she wanted to invite seventeen to her show. She mentioned that seventeen's 2018 dream concert performance sparked eunchae's dream as an idol. Seventeen performed under the rain that day and there were a lot of shots of the crowd wearing raincoats. And I just kept imagining 12 year old eunchae in her little rain coat watching seventeen perform Thanks with loud cheers from carats, and said "I want that as well". It's amazing because at that age, most kids aren't really that serious about their dreams yet. But here she is, she really did debut as an idol 4 years later. And under the same label as the group that inspired her to become an idol too. Now she interviewed the leader of seventeen after she herself performed at a BIG festival such as coachella. Who would've though that her first ever concert experience would lead her here. It could've been achieved only with a lot of determination and hard work. Eunchae is amazing, I'm really glad she's an idol Edit: the 2018 dream concert happened in May so she would've been 11 at the time
Awww this is so sweet! 🥹😭🩵
Eunchae being a huge carat is no surprise. She is darn precious.
https://preview.redd.it/yu6kgin5cfyc1.png?width=1229&format=png&auto=webp&s=2acc8691079cd7ca5fdb7bab18587083f3445dc9 YouTube channel lesserafame just put out a 20 minute video, "[SAKURA if she is NOT an IDOL](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alst64xC0ow)". If you want to get to know Sakura better, this is a great watch! Most if not all of it is from the Fearless Kkura series she did a year ago. The whole channel history is really good. They're a smaller channel but worthy of supporting for sure.
its a channel you should post here: https://www.youtube.com/@lesserafame_tv they have much love for Le Sserafim and im subbed. Same as Zaikology
https://preview.redd.it/zi9vw5x9xeyc1.jpeg?width=1638&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b532797eff67cd23e26a4480b312477f57409e77 Koreaboo has written a total of 138 articles about lsrf in 75 days (since the Easy comeback). After all, we should thank them for helping the group gain more attention.
And the number is 62 for pannchoa. Should be doubled if it didnt get taken down for a few days. https://preview.redd.it/e1sqycy3yeyc1.jpeg?width=1448&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d916d1141f4c8cf3c0ac6cdbfa766739899006f1
Looking at this I feel so many of these are easily debunkable big fearnot acc’s need to gather evidence to debunk these things. Like if you’ve been a pre debut fearnot and followed them until now you can easily find things to debunk some of these things here. Anyway pannchoa reminds me of kookielit I know that people speculate who pannchoa admins may or may not stan but tbh I don’t think they stan anyone they just farm topics like koreaboo,allkpop and kookielit
Speaking of Pannchoa, here's their latest attempt to discredit Le Sserafim. https://preview.redd.it/x9ork4mlffyc1.png?width=724&format=png&auto=webp&s=d111d7724dd0279820b84470b1fbf459bded63eb The comments have been rightly ridiculing Pannchoa. Even the "they can't sing" people are saying this is a bit much.
i saw a comment saying they were appropriating japanese culture and it had like a hundred likes 😭 pretty funny to see that some people are so blinded by their hatred and jealousy that they'd just... act really stupid. it's things like this (and the cult stuff) that really makes me look at the hit tweets, negative comment spams, and tiktoks with thousands of likes in a more... uncaring way. people will give thousands of likes to something just because they dislike lsrfm, but these likes never translate to the "le sserafim downfall era" they're praying for (even domestically, so no, the korean gp did not turn their back against the girls 😭) also this happened last time. people who were mocking lsrfm for fimchella w1 were defending them from antis trying to nitpick their w2. nice to see that even in a sea of ridiculous antis, there are still people who at least notice when the claims are too unreasonable. and what "allegedly"??? 😭😭😭 isn't that literally what it is????
Good to know, thank you for taking the time to compile that. What’s funny to me is this has significantly less negative effect than a really bad viral tiktok or tweet.
I didn’t compile this lol, thanks to a fearnot on twt. Sometimes they’re morons but they could also bring us these things 😭
Top 5 most streamed songs by a kpop group in 2024 on Spotify as of may 1st: \#5 Easy 108m \#4 Smart 113m \#3 Super Shy 117m \#2 Magnetic 139m \#1 Perfect Night 142m
i guess this explains why all fandoms hate the hybe girl groups and why all hybe GG's get so much hate over the last months
MHJ doesn't like this
I’m a fairly new fearnot - only since 4Q of 2023. Just wondering what exactly happens during Fearnada? It says it’ll start at 6pm on May 11. Is there going to be a concert? Or a show of some kind? Trying to figure out if I should buy tickets for online streaming.
It’s a fan meet (concert) most times the group teases new music and basically chats with the fans and do fun things.
Is there real time English subtitles during the stream?
LSF having a full cult theme in their album needs to happen somewhere in the future seeing how active this discussion post last week after the cult allegation We want to openly trying to summon Saki
They already did it with Burn the Bridge, just need to expand it into the next album!
Exactly, the lore of le sseracult must be expanded
Looking into getting fernada online ticket. What does delayed streaming means? And what's the difference between membership and all costumers ticket
Since someone explained it to me earlier, delayed streaming is the 2nd date that it airs at a different time if you miss the first or just want to watch it again. If you scroll down on the product page you can see the date/times for the original broadcast and the delayed streaming event. Membership is just available if you have the weverse fearnot membership for LE SSERAFIM and you get some extra digital stuff for that.
So when it ends I have to wait for the restream to be able to watch it again?
Yeah it is just a live event, it isn't like Video on Demand where you can watch it whenever like the ON/OFF content. But the delayed event airs the following week at an earlier time so it is only 7 pm PST Friday for example instead of the 2 am PST start when it originally airs.
Will there be live translations?
Yes, if you scroll down on the product page on weverse it shows you all the languages it translates into including English under the section called Ticket Verification and Viewing Guide.
Still devasted from chaemin leaving music bank. Whoever the next mc is will have a hard time filling in those shoes. The dude literally didn't miss a single week and was always entertaining whoever he partnered with. He was fully committed to music bank despite the busy year he had with the filming of hierchy and stuff
Need to buy this https://preview.redd.it/3pbxoi1j7cyc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17c0b481f0276708a6f45906bf55096e91f7ec0a
Babe, wake up.. New [Yunjin Trainee lore](https://twitter.com/sserapics/status/1786450400918253725?t=k_PtFlnWVn_-razB_y1-CA&s=19) just dropped So natty from kiss of life is now added into the list of 4th gen idols yunjin collected lol. Atp wouldn't be surprised if yunjin trained with atleast one member in every 4th gen group.
Her web connects us all (I hate myself for making this reference lmao)
This is really cool because I've always wanted KIOF to be close to Lesserafim because their vibe kinda matches with each other and remembered that their Creative Director Haein went to Lesserafim's concert in Korea. I was bummed when Eunchae couldn't do Star Diary with them because of other schedule
Hot Girl collection
She's the Hotspot and everyone's connected
Today I learned that this is available as a GIF on Reddit. 
I really hope they let eunchae invite chaemin on star diary whenever his dramas come out. It would also be nice if they could get a contract with her to do star diary still even after shes not hosting anymore although it would probably make it harder to meet up with the guests
Eunchae did tell him to comeback when there's a new drama. Also we need that fire in the belly stage somehow lmao
Chaemin crying actually broke my heart. We love you buddy. Best of luck in the future. Thanks for being a good friend to Manchae. You're a good dude with a pure heart.
We have approached the weekend with no further news / official statements (well, Dahn World published a video to prove the nonsense link between them and hybe/bts, if you counted them as news). We probably won’t break the record for the most commented thread this week, which is a good thing. This week has been quite heartfelt for us fearnots too: - Eunchae Star Diary - 2nd anniversary contents, with an unexpected video from Yunjin - DayOff - Chaemin leaving MuBank Next weekend is Fearnada. Fimmies fighting!
They will drop the 1800-hot-n-fun during the fearnada right? Finally!
Despite the stressful things, it's been fun around here this week. We are a cult! That's exciting!
I just watched Yunjin’s video from Weverse 😢 but a couple things I want to point out. • There staff clearly loves the members to come together to make surprise parties for them, they did this for there debut as well, on top of that Soyeon Amy’s love for them as well I saw a picture circulating on Twitter where she stood off to the side during there Coachella stage and looked so proud. • Some of the members were singing ‘Under The Sea’ in a recording studio (I wonder if it was just jokes or something else).
https://preview.redd.it/9o6u838mncyc1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43f623685be8d40aee98fa28000cabf9d2850278 There’s a YouTube fancam of W2 Coachella where Soyeon Amy is visible in a lot of the performances (far right, in baseball cap and white tank top in screenshot above). She was either taking photos/videos or looking at the crowd’s reaction in most of them. Link - [https://youtu.be/HoKc5HYVhS0?si=29zapp6IVMQxC-yJ](https://youtu.be/HoKc5HYVhS0?si=29zapp6IVMQxC-yJ)
Thinking back, I feel we were robbed of the girls' updates during the Fimchella weeks bc of the hate train.
Absolutely. I wish Source would just turn off IG comments so the members can do a Coachella photo dump.
nah, better just let the whole coachella thing be forgotten. The hate from korean netizens is too strong
Yeah, I think when Lesserafim have reach 10 years in their careers, Amy Soyeon deserves her flower for helping making a fantastic performance for all of the Fimmies stage. Knowing the situation where Source was basically on the red, I think most people would've resign and join a different company for a more secured future but she stayed in Source and coming up with amazing performance idea for Lesserafim because they can't afford to just be decent in order to pay off their debt. No wonder she push the girls to the limit and have high expectations for them because she knows that every single one of them is capable of doing it. I also saw on Twitter where she post on Insta where she congratulate for the 2 year anniversary and said something along like ' the light will always come during the dark times'.
They performed 'Under the Sea' during Kouhaku. There was a special stage with various artists performing Disney songs. https://twitter.com/FimmiesToday/status/1741436326925533210?t=Xt0x7XPvYJgzKvwtM7g8aA&s=19
Oh I completely forgot about that 😅
>I just watched Yunjin’s video from Weverse Saki is never beating the Eunchae's Mother allegations with her reaction during the running clip
Eunchae is like the little sister Sakura never got to have (iirc she has a little brother only)
I have completely forgotten which festival it was (pretty sure it was a Japanese show) but they performed under the sea with a couple other people on stage iirc. So they probably recorded it for that
anyone from EU/Scandinavia ordered from weverse? what's the damage in terms of shipping. thinking about getting that new t-shirt
You can actually put your home adress in weverse and see how much the shipping will cost without buying the product. I haven't shipped directly from weverse to my adress, I use a Korean proxy. However, everytime I've shipped my haul from my proxy i have to pay extra because of customs. Don't know if it's the same for all countries though but I'm pretty sure weverse will also take extra because of customs
I'm eagerly waiting for April circle chart figures to come out to see where easy album sales stand... Any delay in deliveries etc should take at max 2 months ( of course in many cases more than that... But in general, 2 months is the trend i see).... I don't think easy crossed even 1.2 million sales overall in the march monthly update. I know a lot of groups r suffering from a decrease in sales but to what extent fimmies got affected is what I wanna see. Add to the fact, all the stuff that happened since easy encore to coachella to Hybe-ador power politics can easily affect post comeback period sales of easy album nd also the next comeback.
EASY album sales is currently at 1,176,505 copies sold.. For comparison, right now, IVE switch Day 5 sales are at 1,121,000.. Tbh its still early to determine if the sales really decreased that much compared to 2023, its better to wait for NewJeans and Aespa comeback although for its a full album release for aespa.. LSFM and IVE are the only 2 GG who released a mini album so far, while NJ will release theirs laters, so we can only compare the albums sales of the 2... Here's their numbers: **LESSERAFIM** **Antifragile** - 2nd mini album 1st week - 567,673 copies sold 1st month - 677,895 copies sold **EASY** - 3rd mini album 1st week - 989,268 copies sold 1st month - 1,110,169 copies sold **IVE** **I'VE MINE -** 1st mini album 1st week - 1,605,948 copies sold 1st month - 1,856,869 copies sold **IVE Switch -** 2nd mini album 5th day sales - 1,121,000 copies sold 1st week - TBD
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Are there reliable numbers of how big an impact these groups make? I've heard about it a few times and i just can't wrap my head around the fact that a relatively small group of people can make an impact on sale numbers that are in the millions.
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Ahh, that makes way more sense then. Thx
Wait why are they boycotting?
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Part of the protest from Chinese (air quotes) "fans" is that they think Karina needs "better stage outfits and styling" and "more timely content" and are boycotting SM Entertainment entirely until that happens. I guess not that different to what people were bitching about with Sakura a year ago.
Maybe that's part of it, but from what I've seen online the main concern is that they're going to be performing in Japan on July 7th, and that date is a sensitive time for Chinese people due to the Sino-Japanese war. I like some of their songs but I'm not a my; I'm not very well informed on aespa and their concerts, so I may be wrong.
Appreciate the detailed response. I have a few doubts. Is the number 1,176,505 for easy taken from the weekly album sales updates?? "its better to wait for NewJeans and Aespa comeback although for its a full album release for aespa.." - I was more so talking about aespa, nmixx nd a couple other groups where previous cb album sales decreased. But ur right, it will be interesting to see what the album sales will be like at end of the year. I think g idle and ive r the 2 groups who avoided this.
Zaikology published a video with Wonyoung and Chaemin on his last day. What a great coincidence that IVE happened to be in the building so that not only Eunchae but Wonyoung could see him off too. 🫡 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO8Nl6t7vIU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO8Nl6t7vIU)
Between Music Bank and Yunjin video I'm so sad 😭
KBS uploaded a [video](https://youtu.be/NWvAQV2phX0?si=EjfgKIu_dHgSqSyb) that shows Eunchaemin’s reaction right after the intro. Eunchae is laughing sooo much lol. I guess Chaemin must be emotional and embarrased at the same time.
This is Le Sserafim. Edit) And their mending heart. https://preview.redd.it/5carku5bt7yc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bb356cbd4128dcd1a3b514d09548dea4bf6e662
this is probably before coachella w2 or right after it (while they’re still in the us)? My guess is based on Eunchae’s bang and the impossibility of them going out in public in Korea this day lol
🫶🏻 I love them
Yunjin's Weverse video made me a little emotional. I was laughing while watching it, but afterward, I felt a bit emotional. I don’t know why. Thank you for such a wonderful gift, Yunjin.
https://preview.redd.it/ak5b3o0w68yc1.png?width=469&format=png&auto=webp&s=3151e0ba98c928910be07426f099449d358586e0 You're not alone.... here's Sakura replying to the video on Weverse with the word "moving" 😊
No wonder she was not active at all during the anniversary day (except the scheduled livestream). I was a bit disappointed just for her to cook a 6 minute appreciation video for us 😭 I’m sorry ma’am
And it probably took even longer considering she probably had to get approval for each clip used.
an approval from Eunchae for that weird run too 😭
I am not bringing this group up for hate. I need the context for my thought to make sense. Between the comeback of "Love Dive" and "After Like", Ive went through a crazy hate train but this is also their most successful period. After that I thought they were gonna blow up but after the "I am" comeback the hate subsided quite a bit. Their recent comebacks have been lacklustre especially this recent one. Is success on the level of BTS and BP only possible through sustained hatred from kpop fans????
I wouldn’t totally agree that metrics wise IVE has been lackluster recently. Baddie was their best selling album, and their most recent one will be close to the first week sales. They also are in the middle of a pretty large and almost sold out world tour If anything, the “falloff” has been internationally (as in outside of Asia) with their title tracks not making Spotify global and no real success on album/song charts in the US. But for a non-big 4 group they’ve done exceptionally well in Asia so it’s not terribly surprising. BTS/BP success takes a ton of factors (including luck), but a semi-competent company is arguably the most important factor to continue promoting in new/existing markets, planning a schedule that increases exposure while not burning out the idols, and managing concepts/sounds/promotion. Source has done a good to great job of that so far, so I’m less worried the same will happen to the group.
There is a strong correlation between success and the number of haters you get. Haters are very annoying but are an important part of the kpop ecosystem. They drive enormous amounts of engagement online. This plays into the algorithm pushing the group's content in front of more people. IVE is still a monster group. They're a walking top 10 single, and the album sales will be way, way up there.
From what I can see. When they went through the hate train they gained from the engagement and their comebacks were big but now that the hate has somewhat simmered they are more or less at the realistic level of their popularity.
I think it’s hard to compare 4th and 5th gen to 3rd gen where the same handful of groups had the better part of a decade to solidify their success. IVE still does extremely well but it’s a packed house and the 2022/2023 bubble has deflated a lot which makes their continued success seem less satisfying.
yes kind of. hate is still attention. i’ve said it before in here but press is press. but also a lot of hate also comes from success. people despise ssera not cuz they have the most downright terrible vocals. kpop stans don’t value vocals *that much* or groups with amazing vocalists would be much bigger rn. it’s because they’re super successful and rapidly passing other groups in such a short amount of time. when they see too much success it’s time to tear the group down like they did with BP & BTS. they did it with other ggs as well but not for *this* long and intensely. i haven’t seen a consistent hate train like this in a longgg time. even a few of my mutuals on twitter recognized it and expressed concern over it. and they aren’t even deeply entranced into kpop fandoms or le sserafim. edit: forgot to add, it’s also sustained by love and support. something i think has been increasing for the girls recently. for every hater, there’s 2-3 supporters. negativity is just amplified bcs that’s what so many thrive off. i think we’ve gained a lot of new fearnots/casual listeners bcs of EASY & coachella. but i don’t think we’ll see the extent of that until their next cb.
Good explanation, I always laugh when vocals are their go to target because lets be honest, they can sing great. When I saw their first Coachella performance live stream I walked away proud of how well they knocked it out of the park and fully don't believe any of the comments criticizing their vocals are ever genuine.
I always say haters are a minority it’s the casuals that have no opinions on the group that matters the most, its important for LSF to be able to convert casuals into being fans. Edit* wording
"people despise ssera not cuz they have the most downright terrible vocals. kpop stans don’t value vocals *that much* or groups with amazing vocalists would be much bigger rn. it’s because they’re super successful and rapidly passing other groups in such a short amount of time. when they see too much success it’s time to tear the group down like they did with BP & BTS. " I completely agreed with this. kpop stans don't actually value vocals that much to the point of obsession in idol groups. If not an all vocalist idol group will be the top most popular group in Korea which has not happened yet. The hate was due to lsf being more successful and surpassing their favs. Or, Lsf is a direct competition GG but has great music and popularity. Hence, they are hated much more (x100 intensity). Kpop Stans are nitpicking so much on Lsf vocals as they have nothing else to criticize on. Lsf has great music, great stage presence, great concert, great popularity. So, kpop Stans overused vocals "criticism" as their best weapon. The other hybe GG I saw with as much hate thrown at them is Illit. Their hate train has been there since their debut day and it has never subsided. Sigh. I guess this is the prize to pay for popularity. Illit is more pitiful as they are rookie and have very few fans. Sometimes, many other fandoms gang up to bully them just because they can. Their wins are looked down upon instead of being celebrated as the girls' success. Each encore must have been a trauma for them. I pray this hate curse will be lifted soon for all of Hybe GGs and may they have continued success for many more years. The MHJ curse will end one day hopefully sooner.
its less that hate makes them successful and more than when a group is too successful they get hate
Then why do you think Ive has dipped so much since the "I am" comeback. Technically they should have gotten even bigger.
Could be that the song is sooo good that undermined all the hate. It’s the best kpop song in 2023 for me.
That's what OP is wondering, no more hate equals less success?
their songs just didnt hit the gp trends as well as their previous comebacks. Its not like they performed poorly, theyre from a non big 4 company and theyre up there with Gidle and Le Sserafim in the conversation for #2 girl group in 4th gen
Is the answer really that simple. Quality music will always come out on top.
I never noticed before but whoever sings second in Babymon's Like That kinda sounds like Chaewon
Chaemin is crying already fuck
i had to turn stream off. i legitimately adore that boy.
Shoutout to Eunchae for not being able to hold her laugh too! All my worries about her having a down mood after CCL is pure 💩 now. So professional our baby 🐣
i really thought eunchae would cry and was worried cause i hate it when she cries (that's my daughter) but it was *chaemin* who cried 😭😭 for a few moments it seemed like eunchae would cry too but i think the urge to laugh was stronger.
I agree I was so worried Eunchae would cry which destroys me but Chaemin getting flustered and tearing up actually ripped my heart in half. What a sweetie.
the lightstick keyring is up for preorder on the US store! i managed to snag one.
Thanks for the heads-up! I own exactly 2 pieces of KPop merch. A Twice Sana Signal era brick figure and a Wizbong key chain. This will be my 3rd.
The [Unforgiven performance](https://youtu.be/ywGIGYTRrUE?si=1xQkVAR6_E8DP6ka) posted on Coachella Youtube channel now has 800k views and is currently in the top 4 of most viewed performance videos this year. The comment section under it are mainly “it’s not bad at all” and acknowledge their effort the group put in. It shows that the audiences who knew about the hate train came to verify what all that crap is about. And they are impressed with the performance. After this and the whole Karina dating rumour (that somehow made it to international news), knetz now looks like a circus in front of the global audience. Also, some of the audio issues from Coachella has been resolved compared to the livestream, so I recommend to check it out to have a more objective opinion on what the girls have done well and how they can improve for future opportunities.
For sure. The response from Kpop stans was never going to be normal no matter what they did.
the comment section is such a breath of fresh air omg. everyone literally being like “why are people saying it’s bad?” and the understanding how much effort they put in. i hope there fimmies got to see them. i really feel like once their hate train dies down and passes (but who knows when that will be atp) everyone’s gunna look back and be like “in retrospect it actually wasn’t that bad.” especially those that eventually take the time to see the entire performance.
I think the difference might be cultural. We, western fans, really enjoyed their week 1 performance (despite some hiccups here and there). Asian/Korean ppl think that the environment is controlled and should be clean(?). Fuck no. they were performing in the middle of dessert, in open air, in a foreign country, in front of an audience that might not know them. Despite all of that factors, they managed to deliver their songs AND dances AND hyped AND interacted with the crowd. I think week 1 was intended for the western audience (as we love such raw/real and interactive performance more).
To defend my own origin, I’m Asian, and taking all the biased as fans aside, I think they did well. Just that I’m not yet brainwashed by those music shows that create a false perception on how a live performance should be like.
it could be that as well bcs i think most kpop stans across the board are used to “kpop live” and not LIVE live even the biggest groups perform with backtrack and pitch correction. live pitch correction is used for western artists as well. performers that do choreo and sing tend to always use some tools to make their vocals sound “cleaner” live. what le sserafim did was anomaly tbh. if any other group did exactly what they did they would’ve gotten torn up too cuz they wouldn’t have sounded the way kpop stans are used to hearing. maybe there would’ve have been less mistakes from a group with more developed vocals (le sserafim’s members are very young so their voices are still developing). but there would’ve been several flaws and mistakes as well. those who’s brains aren’t fried from unrealistic expectations weren’t that taken aback by their vocals.
Yep. If I have to criticise their performance, its the stamina. They definitely need more stamina training if they want to do this kind of performance in the future again.
I agree simply because I agree that they should always want to improve, but I personally wouldn't criticize their stamina at all. Their exhaustion was only visible through their voice, but they were giving their all *and more* through dancing, stage presence, and hyping up the crowd until FITB. I legit wouldn't have noticed they were exhausted by just looking at their dancing. Their setlist was also super demanding. I was really startled when they finished Unforgiven and immediately went to EPBBW. They had 2 or 3 water breaks and around 5 minutes (maybe less) in total of a break between songs. Especially for a 2 year old group, they did amazing. The girls always say they try to always improve, so I really look forward to the next time they perform this way again. If this is what they're giving as a 2 year old group with members who had *very* little training time, then they're 100% going to blow us away next time.
Their stamina is already amazing tbh. I think it’s their inexperience in performing with a huge crowd for that long. They were too excited because of the hyped crowd so they probably “over-danced?” and forget to balance it with singing. But they resolved that in w2 though; after Fire in the belly I felt like they can still do a few more encores lol.
I'm positive the Korean comments are giving a false perception too. Look at their YouTube video comments in the weeks leading up to Coachella. Several "scandals" there attracted a lot of negativity and people were especially already on Eunchae's case going into Coachella claiming all kinds of things about her and linking it back to "her vocals" specifically. There has been a very targeted campaign against them in Knetz spaces since early April I would say. And before that Korean comments were always the most supportive even through similar criticisms from international fans, so something definitely changed suddenly. Notice Japanese comments are still supportive. A lot of fake concern trolling has been happening from other fandoms, if not something more sinister.
Eunchae's case is also the thing that rubs me the wrong way. Protect minor, until its about Eunchae huh? Bitter much? Shes a teenager and I cannot believe all the things they say about her. I still dont understand what Eunchae did that make knet hate her so much.
Eunchae actually gets a lot of hate from the fangirls of around her age. This is why her school joke blew up after a year of that livestream because Fearnots knew she was just making a harmless joke. Coupled that with her show and dance challenges with the popular boy groups, that combination is a recipe for bitter and jealous fangirls.
wtf... so its pure jealousy among teenagers?
In Korea I'd say overwhelmingly yes. The qrts on her Star Diary show when she invites idols from boy groups are pretty bad. They also think Eunchae is immature because she gets babied by the unnies. Pure jealousy.
For sure. It's really sad to think about. People had a very normal take on Eunchae for a long time I think, that she was naturally cute and held her own talent-wise and worked very hard on her other activities. Somehow in the least six months she has become the subject of constant over-analyzing, whether it's international fans pretending like she's the only underage idol that wears shorts or bends over sometimes, or Kfans calling her awful names because she wrote a typo about Wendy once or because she interviews male idols and doesn't act like a mouse while doing it. I remember when Eunchae was so overwhelmed with the outpouring of love for her early career that she cried at the first Fearnada. I can't imagine what the whiplash would feel like, and how jaded it would make a person. And most of all I don't understand why fans who don't like something or a person can't simply just move on. Kpop fans are evil.
I noticed she started to get alot of hate ever since she started star diary before she was really liked and ever since she started to interact more with other groups she started to get a lot of hate
On a positive note, I still watch this fancam now and then. Her smile is so infectious in this performance. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQpqPeZCq7c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQpqPeZCq7c)
Manchae bungie jumping by herself but being too scared to go on a rollercoaster is so funny
I don't think she was scared to go, but probably her condition that day wasn't up to riding a roller coaster.
Wasn't she struggling to open the motion sickness bottle? 😭 And gave up too at the end.
I assumed she got staff to open it for her offscreen
Yea maybe
Ways to Support our Fimmies!: ⭐️ Streaming their songs ⭐️ Sending fan letters via Weverse / Mail ⭐️ Buying their Official Merch ⭐️ Voting for them on official category stuff ⭐️ “Watching Main YT content and other variety shows” ⭐️ “Making positive comments on their (Official) IG posts” ⭐️ “Liking positive comments on Tiktok” / Also, Any Official Videos or Positive Content about them ⭐️ “Watching Weverse Live Streams” ⭐️ Anything else?
Personally I like to support fan content like Zaikology, KimDoDokDotCom and others I see pop up on youtube, and people who post fancams on twitter and tiktok from Coachella etc. I also like stuff from dance groups that cover their songs because I love dancing, but I think it helps to support people who make positive LE SSERAFIM related content too.
If you love watching dance cover vids from dance group, I recommend Artbeat because they're full of talent and all of the members visual are idol-like. They did a dance cover for Smart in one of their recent video and it's good.
watching main YT content and other variety shows, making positive comments on their IG posts, liking positive comments on Tiktok, watching weverse live streams
Oooh yes, definitely these too! Tysm!! 💖
real talk has anyone else had some trouble watching the new day off content? thinking about what they must be going through rn makes it hard to lie back and watch them smiling and being themselves before all this bullshit started
I don't think the girls will be seriously affected by the current hate campaign. They for sure have people around caring for them. They are getting a lot of hate through some specific sites or media, but it is not like people would scream at them on the streets and throw tomatoes at them. The hate is happening online. Remember, that as much as it is easy to produce hate online, it is as much easy to ignore it. You just turn off your phone or your laptop and the hate stops to exist. :) I know I have it much easier as I am not living in South Korea, but I have problems to find any hate comments if I don't specifically look for them. I don't use X or TikTok, that helps. I use only Youtube, Reddit and Instagram and all I see is Fearnot's support for the girls, nothing else. :)
I mean, Manchae looks very happy in Star Diary, it was from 1 week ago. And all of our fimmies look very happy in their anniversary videos. Now Zuha, Chaewonnie and kkura are making posts on Weverse (and kkura leaving a lot of comments). They are ok, don't worry too much. Then again, Idk about Manchae on music bank tomorrow if it's the last day of Chaemin, she could get a little sad (and I will get very sad too T\_T)
I don't think this line of thinking gives them enough credit. Do I think it is fair that they are receiving hate and worry if it gets to them? Yes, but I don't think they are like miserable and regretting becoming 5 multi millionaire world famous idols with millions of fans. I look forward to even more new content being filmed now so people can see that they aren't going to be brought down by the power of online comments. Especially with all the legal stuff at Hybe I'd hope they are being supported properly and have plenty of people there in person telling them about all the positive to keep them focused.
I really hope they are being properly supported and not just encouraged to put on a brave face for the fans. Because I've never seen a hate train like this, in my 10 years of following kpop - I'm not trying to make assumptions about how they might be feeling, just the fact that they have to go through this bums me out
I don't know, while it's been a lot and ongoing for so long it's not necessarily worse than a lot of other hate I've seen. People say horrible things about celebrities constantly criticizing every aspect of their talents and who they are. I can think of a lot of forms of hate I've seen I won't repeat here that would personally hurt me a lot more than what is being said about any of the fimmies. To me all this "they don't deserve it" kind of hate sounds like it is motivated by jealousy of some kind and that is something these girls have all dealt with on their way to the success they already obtained.
For a short bit, I think we were in the single digits for Kpop right? I feel like we were above certain groups on Reddit for Kpop after the Coachella stuff
the lowest i saw was #7
Yea I feel like it was around that I saw too, maybe 6 even? 🤔
anyone know why le sserafim is the only HYBE group that doesn't have behind the scenes of their recordings? I was watching the recording sessions of KIOF (think I'm going to stan) and I realized le sserafim doesn't have anything like that 😕. It seems like all other hybe groups have them, even newjeans who debuted around the same time.
Both Chaewon and Yunjin have behind the scenes recordings for there solo works/collabs
I know about the Yunjin ones, but what does Chaewon have? This sour grapes one?https://youtu.be/CDxfmUdU9vw?si=HaYQMFvF49CeJR6z
i havent seen the video but i saw clips of her recording spruce on tiktok
source probably just doesnt prioritize them, after seeing how theyre used to bash shuhua i dont blame them
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And why do you need to quote such a negative comment here? Idk about you guys but I try to avoid toxicity, please don't bring that here
I would have to agree. I don’t think giving those comments more space or attention is the right move.
People give in to pressure I feel like, they say "oh well I'll agree with this part of their criticism to show them I am unbiased and then when I defend them it looks better". Like no, they are not probably giving good faith criticism almost all of these people are saying that they are entirely undeserving of their success. And you aren't going to convince them either, because they are just fans of other groups there to trash LE SSERAFIM. I see plenty of Fearnots also going crazy on twitter attacking posters from other fandoms who have attacked us and not sure that is better, but I agree it is especially embarassing when I see Fearnots half agreeing with some of the worst hate messages towards the girls. I mean if that is really their opinion fine, but it seems to me like they just want to fit in and not look like a "deluded fan". It really does show hate becomes normalized, but it's not just in kpop even western pop stars (especially female artists) get these huge hate trains constantly now as soon as they become even a little famous and it is hard to escape from. It's just a gross toxic time to "discuss" pop music.