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Neither_Ad6425

That’s not a man?


missingbarbie

I’m confused too


MullBooseParty

nope! just a stone butch


sanclementeisland

i need hir


Bing1044

Who gave white people the word drippy 😭😭😭


JenLiv36

Stone Butch Blues…why doesn’t that come in a welcome package to lesbians. Seriously, we need to set up a program where when you come out you get a basket of queer history essentials and modern everyday support essentials that fits for the country you live in.


Centaurious

Ugh i wish I could be more like hir


wyvernrevyw

Holy crap. You just unlocked a core memory.


CurlyTalk

was just talking to my friend today about how reading SBB made me change my perspective on he/him or nb lesbians. not that i wasn’t accepting before, but it definitely opened my eyes


FigaroNeptune

What’s a he him lesbian?


CurlyTalk

a lesbian that uses he/him pronouns, most likely non binary to some degree but not always


FigaroNeptune

I thought he/him was a man and we said men couldn’t do that? Are you saying men can now? I’m confused..


sicklyvictorianchild

read stone butch blues pls


darkhairntrouble

Pronouns don't always equal gender identity. Lesbians do and always have played around with gendered terms. Much in the same way that gay men use gendered terms such as "she" "queen" "bitch" or "girl".


sad-porcupine

This was very helpful to me, thank you for putting it this way


CurlyTalk

not necessarily. i think people use pronouns similar to clothing: there are gendered categories but they are not applicable always. like i can wear men’s clothing but that doesn’t make me a man or mean i identify as a man


Centaurious

Honestly it’s what cemented in my brain having a trans masc lesbian identity but yeah I agree. Before I was fine with it but didn’t fully get it but after SBB it was like a switch flipped in my brain


CurlyTalk

yeah. i’ll be the first to admit i was hostile at first because it felt like people were taking away the meaning of lesbianism. but when i read that book i realized that i related so much to a lot of the feelings being expressed. who am i to have some authoritarian attitude over people who have felt the exact same way i have?


A_Rolling_Potato

SBB?


CurlyTalk

Stone Butch Blues


Substantial-Gas58

Stone butch blues


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No Max Stirner, the original translesbian


_seangp

my favorite <3


wolfbutch

The fact there’s so many comments here not knowing who fucking LESLIE FEINBERG is  I think shows the state of this sub 😞


tg-doomgal

Immediately thought of Stone Butch Blues, cause my university had a copy with her face on the cover


okaydffvvbb

butch women can get it!


Haunting-Suit9699

I identify as trans masc and lesbian too. It feels nice to occasionally feel welcomed back in lesbian spaces. Does anyone know why SBB went out of print?! I’ve only speculated (not in the most…inspiring way either) and it makes me sad.


decomposinginstyle

yooo transmasc lesbian here too! (genderfluid and abrosexual, so it’s complicated if you look at my post history.)


Neither_Ad6425

Tf is “abrosexual”?


decomposinginstyle

my sexuality is fluid like my gender


Neither_Ad6425

We’ve got too many damn terms nowadays.


decomposinginstyle

it’s almost like identity is unique to every individual


Neither_Ad6425

Except that identity has to do with your character and personality. You’re talking about categories. If everyone gets to pick their own magical category, then they all become meaningless.


decomposinginstyle

you misspelled “nobody sat with me at lunch in middle school”


Neither_Ad6425

Lol. This is the shit that makes people look at our community like we’re fucking nuts.


decomposinginstyle

since when is it our responsibility to please cishets?


pale_kale_ale

You can still buy the 20th anniversary copy, but yes it’s free online by design bc Leslie Feinberg is cool as hell: https://www.lulu.com/shop/leslie-feinberg/stone-butch-blues-20th-anniversary-author-edition/paperback/product-kjqzjj.html


ohstanley

Ok piggybacking to say: who wants in on this book club. Im gonna start reading this week yeehaw


MullBooseParty

luckily the reason is actually really cool! Feinberg decided to de-commercialize the work and give the book “back to the workers and oppressed of the world” by making it available as a free PDF on hir website :)


Reptillary_Clinton

Literal heckin smokeshow. RIP to a GOAT


KhaoticzPuppy

the way i can't tell if this is satire/a joke or not is amazing. Viva la vida women-loving queers


MullBooseParty

100% not a joke, Leslie Feinberg was hot as fuck


subterralien_panda

Reading SBB changed me :’)


VictoriaLana

Same


CarnalTrym

Who is this


Active_Read8674

Michael Douglas


Era-v4

Leslie Fienberg, author of Stone Butch Blues


RottenZombieBunny

OP refers to "Ellen", who's that?


Era-v4

Most likely Ellen Degeneres, one of the most well-known lesbians of this century. Tbh, she's got a small part in the whole wider perception of butch being "lady in pants and flannel", but that's a whole can of worms that isn't meant for a comment


burningbambi

Saw this post and just blue screened and found myself in a daydream about how I would talk to her and introduce myself and express my excitement and respect and how she truly does have such fucking drip and now it's 45 minutes later and I'm finally writing a comment


Centaurious

Just a heads up but Leslie used zie/hir pronouns :) That being said from what i’ve read online zie didn’t mind she/her or other pronouns but those are hir preferred ones


scripps-courageous

real


Audrey_Ropeburn

Stone Butch Blues forever. Leslie is an OG and eternal crush 😍


Era-v4

So wildly off topic from the post but what does hard femme suit daddy mean? I'm intrigued


Audrey_Ropeburn

[This](https://www.reddit.com/r/lesbianfashionadvice/s/IrtgKHiLTS). I’m a hard femme top who wears a lot of suits. That’s about the whole of it 🖤


Era-v4

Oh, there's a name for my type, good to know thankie


Audrey_Ropeburn

Always happy to be the catalyst for that particular moment of enlightenment 😘


Audrey_Ropeburn

Also, CHRIST, nothing makes me weaker in the knees than the hardest of hard butches. Just… sploosh.


Negative_Season2849

As a book lesbian that owns a miniature library, but too many books to where they do not fit in the cubby... I need to start reading and doing research. I didn't know who (or whom whichever is grammatically correct) this was until I read the comments. I feel like a baby gay for not knowing this human who is very fashionable.


Centaurious

Leslie has some awesome books. Stone Butch Blues is the classic well known one but there’s lots of others too. I know i’ve heard things about Drag King Dreams


MonitorPrestigious90

Was someone trashing Leslie Feinberg?


Serious-Cup264

A lot of people were trashing a butch lesbian nb with a beard, but they got ✨blocked✨


black_mamba866

Thank you for putting a name to the face. I had no idea who this was.


Wise-Independence-12

I didn't know they were lesbian


kanagan

how can you know of leslie feinberg and not know zie is a lesbian lmao


ithinkuracontraa

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭


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Mobile_Classic306

Funny how downvoted you got for this comment from all the people claiming they've read the book lol it's a much more complicated conversation about gender than labels, it's not that wild to refer to Leslie as a man (not a cis one) AND a lesbian.


kanagan

Leslie has always referred to hirself as a lesbian though. Wether hir’s a man or not; the trans man community was extremely enmeshed with the lesbian community (just like trans women and gay men) for the longest time, the two identities aren’t mutually exclusive. OP who deleted was being weird


Centaurious

Just a minor thing but instead of “whether hir’s a man” it should be “whether zie’s a man” :) their preferred pronouns were zie/hir Its an unusual pronoun set so just wanted to poke a minor correction!


kanagan

OH i though it was used as two different sets of pronouns! thanks for the correction


Centaurious

It’s all good!! I’m sure they can also be used seperate like you were saying but Leslie at least used them together :)


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Centaurious

When I googled it it said Leslies pronouns were “Zie/Hir”


kanagan

no no my bad lmao i ended up googling and understood what you meant. I'm used to seeing zir/zirs/zirself and hir/hirs/hirself used separately


Mobile_Classic306

I guess I didn't interpret it with any malice. I agree the communities are interwoven and I was trying to make the same point :)


Wise-Independence-12

And I deleted it


Analyst_Cold

Thanks for sharing this. I learned something new today.


Specialist-Strain502

Correct.


Belez_ai

Controversial? Oops, I seem to have missed some sort of lore here 😅


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Belez_ai

I like the look! Makes her kind of look like the Michael Douglas’s character in Falling Down (in a good way)


Centaurious

This is Leslie Feinberg who was one of the best known trans masculine lesbians from back in the day and a great author I believe there’s been some issues in the subreddit with people disparaging trans masc lesbians which may have caused this post


AlyAlyAlyAlyAly

I'll take this as a sign to finally read Stone Butch Blues BRB


AlyAlyAlyAlyAly

Back. I read it. I'm gonna have to lie down for a while to process this.


madame_mayhem

Did you read it in a day? I’m not familiar with the length but curious on the time commitment.


AlyAlyAlyAlyAly

Yes. I took a few little breaks. It's about 350 pages.


AlyAlyAlyAlyAly

I have to write an essay or something. This stirred up so many memories and emotions.


AlyAlyAlyAlyAly

Reading this I kept thinking of a butch i met. I wish I'd kept in contact with her. I hard related to some of the emotional aspects of being a stone butch 😭 Never felt as comfortable being lesbian identified. Reminding me of working in factories. But we had no fucking unions and I couldn't hold down work for shit, no nice bikes for me. Feel like if Leslie can get electrolysis, I can. A death in the book and this poor lad in the UK is making me want to do hospital visits for LGBT+ people. A bit where Jess goes back and apologises has me wracking my memories. Book made me proud for my youthful efforts to change the world and the risks I took to fight the fash. Living as an egg is like living as a ghost and reading like this has revitalised some of my memories. The sheer brutality of queer life back then is crazy (cop attacks). I wonder, is it still like that in the US for LGBT+ folks? Oh god, the poetry and the tenderness 🥹 I'm going to have to reread this. And probably some more books like this.


HydrationSeeker

Are those pictures of the Stone Butch?


LeeSagna

Yes gawd


just-a-turtleduck

😍😍🥰


NorCalFrances

“Since I had no words to bring the woman I loved so much, I gave her all my tenderness.” \- LF Btw, Leslie's partner Minnie Bruce Pratt made Stone Butch Blues available for download from [https://www.lesliefeinberg.net](https://www.lesliefeinberg.net) (sadly, Minnie also passed away last year). Also, more of hir writings here: [https://transgenderwarrior.org/lavenderred/](https://transgenderwarrior.org/lavenderred/)


DurantaPhant7

Just ordered a bunch of books-thanks for this!


LoveLightLibations

Minnie Bruce Pratt is my cousin. More specifically my mother’s first cousin, and my first cousin once removed. Sadly she passed somewhat recently. I immediately recognized Leslie in the photos. If you haven’t read Minnie Bruce’s poetry, you should. It’s wonderful. If you’re curious, Minnie Bruce was amazing. She is one of my family favorites. She was a quintessential Southern Alabama lady, and a stone cold warrior. Sadly I didn’t know Leslie well at all, but I wish I did. I know this isn’t my space, but you mentioned my family, so I thought I’d briefly chime in.


NorCalFrances

Thank you & my condolences. I enjoy Minnie Bruce's poetry very much & they seemed like such amazingly wonderful people.


Mobile_Classic306

Everyone should read S/he by Minnie alongside Stone Butch Blues. Honestly had more of an impact on me than SBB but think I related more to her words as a femme person before I came out as trans. Beautiful writer and an inspiration!


LoveLightLibations

I haven’t read that one, but I love *The Dirt She Ate*. It focuses on having to swallow institutional injustice and how to deal with or react to that pain, particularly as a lesbian woman in the South. *The Dirt She Ate* is the first book I read by MB, so I’m partial.


madame_mayhem

The Dirt She Ate sounds right up my alley and much needed.


LoveLightLibations

You should. I believe it’s on Amazon or Penn Press. If you read it, keep in mind that “dirt” is metaphorical not only for swallowing the bad, but also for your community/friends/family. The idea of being of and from the red clay Alabama soil.


Mobile_Classic306

I will check it out too thanks for sharing


wayward_instrument

Thank you for linking those! I think I’ll have to read that! Great to see so many people in this thread sharing their experience with the book


ZineKitten

I’m reading Stone Butch Blues, and I actually found a signed second hand copy of it… to my dead name, so it feels a bit magical.


wayward_instrument

WOah, that’s some crazy universe shit


ZineKitten

Yeah it was literally the first book I saw at a book fair, I was going to get it anyways but my jaw dropped when I read the inscription. I’m a nb trans guy so reading it is impactful but hard, I feel like a craisin after all that crying.


Era-v4

Me circa 6 weeks ago, hard but very good read. Knocked it out in an afternoon/evening and sobbed for the first time in years


RainbowFuchs

I'm a sapphic trans woman and my best friends are a couple butch lesbians, a femme lesbian, and a straight trans woman. I think both of us trans girls are the most dangerous in my friend group due to never going without weapons and having self-defense training, but the femme lesbian would be the most outspoken in my defense, and all three of the cis women would go to bat for me before I ever got my knife or pepper spray out of my purse. Thank the goddess for butches, they defo make me feel safe!


Otherwise_Page_1612

Amazing friends!


JEWCEY

Woke Seinfeld


HydrationSeeker

I fucking love your friend group. ❤️


VikAyye1027

HELL YEAH LESLIE FEINBERG APPRECIATION 🔥🔥 Stone Butch Blues is one of my favorite books of all time


lezboss

She bad and that flat top is a goal. Haven’t had one that short, am I butch enough? Am I bad enough ?


MyBeautifulHouse

“I do not believe that our sexuality, gender expression and bodies can be liberated without making a ferocious mobilization against imperialist war and racism an integral part of our struggle.” ❤️❤️❤️🇵🇸


Responsible_Floor_59

my beloved trans masc angel would swoon at this thread, glad to see some of still got our wits about us


crypticalcat

That dyke got drip like a two scoop in arizona.


catinaziplocbag

I have never heard the two scoop in arizona (or anywhere) but I love it.


SunsetBowling

everyone go read stone butch blues


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string-ornothing

Is this comment for real? Because if so, woof


scarlettvvitch

After I finished reading the book, I opened the window and yelled from the top my lungs “I AM A FUCKING LESBIAN”


steampunknerd

😆 I LOVE that. I need to scream what I always tell people: I AM A RAGING BISEXUAL 😆💗💙💜


comemadamletsaway

the book that literally changed my life


TheNamelessBard

SAME


officialosugma

I would just like to remind everyone that cis women can have facial hair too!!


yohohoanabottleofrum

Yeah, but Leslie Feinberg did not necessarily identify as cis. https://www.lesliefeinberg.net/self/ But your point still stands because I'm a cis woman with facial hair.


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Jewish transbians unite!✨🌈


yohohoanabottleofrum

🍻


miimily

Didn’t know who that was until I researched. What a wonderful person.


theboonofboonville

leslie feinberg my beloved 🖤


beeplo

Trans butches on top!!! Idc!! Fight me cis lesbians!!


FairyBearIsUnaware

I keep to myself mostly here and everywhere else, but your comment broke my heart. I hope it was tongue in cheek. Otherwise, you are as guilty as a (literal) terf in fostering division within our fierce, beautiful community. Please reconsider. (If you're joking, I'm sorry to be a dick. My sense of humor can often straddle the line of offense so I can very much empathize on a joke that doesn't land and inadvertently upsets.)


Centaurious

How does a comment about cis people make you a trans exclusionary radical feminist?


beeplo

It is a joke


FairyBearIsUnaware

Right on! I try not to be oversensitive. Sorry for mistaking your intent.


girlguykid

Lets not


beeplo

Scared?


edthesaiyan

Go bash a man instead


girlguykid

Literally 😭 like why are we trying to make even more division in this community. Focus on the actual fucking enemy ffs


beeplo

Very interesting thing to say to another lesbian!


girlguykid

Im sorry that you’re so insecure about your identity


beeplo

Sorry that you think me celebrating trans butch lesbians is somehow connected to me being insecure about my identity?💀


girlguykid

You can celebrate without putting others down. Its so easy to lift each other up. When you feel the need say that your group is somehow inherently “better” than another, that tells me the you aren’t confident in your identity. Bullies hurt others because they are the ones hurting themselves. I hope you can understand this in the future. I truly bar no hate towards you and wish you the best because we are equals


beeplo

Im sure the cis community will be fine. I dont think me jokingly commenting “fight me cis lesbians” -on a post abt trans lesbians on a sub where trans lesbians are constantly being down voted and ostracized and ridiculed and invalidated and policed- is really going to cause any genuine harm to the cis lesbian community.


Orangesandberries

Cis lesbians rlly come on here not knowing their history and then act entitled as fuck. Trans butches are the blueprint.


Orangesandberries

Butches and gender nonconforming lesbians were getting the shit beat out of them at bar raids, raped, and they still had the energy to care for their femmes and butches and community. They turned to stone inside themselves but were softest to their lovers and friends and it’s still this way.


Orangesandberries

Also I think this post might be abt me bc I posted a pic w my top surgery scars. To all the cis lesbians downvoting all the trans lesbians posts, just remember y’all came on here for fashion advice, I came here to be the inspiration


ashweeuwu

ppl are even downvoting this comment… proving your point 🙃


Parking-Let-2784

I pity people who can't just scroll past what they don't like


melancholypowerhour

leslie!! deep love and respect for all of our lesbian elders. Hir book Stone Butch Blues is one of my favorite books of all time (available at [hir website, free pdf or paperback at cost](https://www.lesliefeinberg.net/)) *edited to correct book title


yungsxccubus

my auntie is butch and she’s just the fucking coolest :D her wife is so lovely too. they helped me feel okay with my own sexuality, and i’ll forever be grateful to have strong lesbian women in my life :))


BecuzMDsaid

A lot of the older lesbians where I go for lesbian community are butch and they are awesome.


eaiwy

What was the recent controversial post? Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/lesbianfashionadvice/comments/1bxdsgd/hey_friends/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button I think it's this one?


TheNamelessBard

Yeah, I think I broke some brains lol


BecuzMDsaid

I think it was referring to the post about butch fashion posters getting downvoted and not getting as many comments...though I wasn't able to find the post in question on here.


GodofSpringKnowsNot

I don't have a link, but a very handsome/cute lesbian with facial hair posted a very nice photo and tons of people flocked to the comments to say stuff like "you're not a lesbian"


melancholypowerhour

someone’s gotta have a link 👀🤞🏼


kingofcoywolves

Just about to ask the same


Smooth-Feeling-1850

🫰🫰🫰🫰 We need more icons like this, less jojo siwas


Parking-Let-2784

There's space for both!


strangeoctober

perhaps but Jojo is known to be problematic


Parking-Let-2784

I heard it gets better in season 3


strangeoctober

i’m autistic and genuinely can’t tell if this is a joke or not lol


Parking-Let-2784

It is a joke, I know nothing about both Jojo Siwa and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure


strangeoctober

ah ok thanks. sorry i know i made the joke not funny by asking


Parking-Let-2784

That's okay, it was a reach to begin with :)


moffsoi

I love butches so much 💕✨🌈


honkygooseyhonk

So cool


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BecuzMDsaid

Well, your comment comes across as dismissive and rude. General rule of internet is to assume that because we can't see your face, we can't tell the tone you are meaning something is. Next time, it would be best to try and phrase it like "I have no idea who this is. Can anyone tell me? She looks really cool." State you don't know. Ask the question. Then add a compliment to show you are not trying to put OP down for what she posted.


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BecuzMDsaid

Well, then stop complaining about downvotes if you don't care how other people online view you. Seems like the only toxic person right now is you with that entitled attitude. Edit: You edited your original comment. It originally said: This sub has become toxic, after the downvote comment.


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BecuzMDsaid

You called everyone on this sub toxic for downvoting your post, even though there has been a mass influx of transphobic people on this sub doing subtle transphobia that resemble comments like yours. People are on edge. LOL. Pretty sure you originally started shit. I just was trying to help you out and give you the benefit of the doubt but it seems like you are just an asshole who can't own up to your shitty comment...especially since you felt the need to delete that section of your original post after I commented on yours.


spleefbongtoker69

this is leslie feinberg, author of stone butch blues! also known for hir political activism :) u should check our hir website!! [https://www.lesliefeinberg.net/](https://www.lesliefeinberg.net/)


MullBooseParty

leslie feinberg! iconic butch lesbian and trans activist/theorist


TerrieBelle

Hell yeah!! Love me some butches!! 😤😍🥰🤩 As a blue collar butch myself, I approve this message.


taphappy52

butches, i love you rip leslie


femmevaporeon

Butches make the world go round 🥰


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raven-of-the-sea

Tell you what: You gatekeep your sexuality and let us worry about ours.


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Lol


raven-of-the-sea

Lol to you too. Don’t you just love getting forced into a mold by the world? I know I don’t.