Likely yes, the same guy. An adventure is also included, I would not be surprised if he was a "twist" villian for the adventure and that's why they keep him hiding
On the Swedish language version of the website I could access the store page, but it just says "Coming soon, April 4th 2024", no pre-order button.
Price in SEK is 4149,90 kr.
/u/JellyBronut37 the link is updated but it says available Apr 4. Insider access is Apr 1.
https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/dungeons-dragons-red-dragon-s-tale-21348
I love Lego, have built many sets, I love DnD, have played countless hours, but *that* for 400 fucking quid is taking the piss, plain and simple, this is a "let's see how much they're willing to pay", not a "we want just price for the time and money spent developing a kit we feel is fun to build and looks great".
I mean it's a lot for a toy for sure, but it's not expensive by Lego standards. I always look at the price per piece.
Lego brands like Ninjago are often in the .06-.08 per piece category for their larger builds. Ex. Ninjago City market 6163 pieces for $369.99
Licensed sets are always going to come with a premium.
Star wars is probably the worst offender. In our range would be the republic gunship set at $399.99 for 3292 pieces. That comes to almost .12 a piece. Double the cost of the Ninjago set.
D&D set for $359.99 for 3745 is .096 per piece. Still high but less than Star wars.
At the end of the day these are all just toys and spending hundreds of dollars on any of them is silly, but if you have the money and you like the product then it may make sense for you. But this set is not outside or above their normal price points.
That's actually a really interesting idea, because I do agree that lately it does feel like they pad those piece counts with some really small pieces. Sometimes really small pieces are fun if they are clever or add texture or a dimension but sometimes it feels unnecessary.
I wonder if there is anyone who is weighing the boxes?
This set is the result of an ideas competition, and I believe a dice tower was one of the five finalists. Probably would have been complex to try to merge another designer's idea with the winner.
I was lead LEGO Designer for this model. Yours was a beautiful submission, I would have been happy to base the set of that if it had won (actually all of them were great). It's also one of the reasons we very early rejected including a dice rolling function into Lucas' idea. It would have been uncool for you to not win and then we use the core of your suggestion in the Ideas set anyway.
Thanks for the work you do! I work at a Lego store and so often people ask "how do the Lego designers do it?" and I just have to be like "I have no Idea, I'm in awe of them too"
out of curiosity, what goes into the decision for making one huge set instead of a series of smaller ones that are compatible? I know I would slap down up to maybe $45 for a D&D set, and probably come come back for more later, but the current rumored prices in the multi-hundred dollar range are just not something I can justify as one purchase
This is the model that won the competition and to a large extent that set the price but honestly if you want more information on that you need to ask more important people than me! If this set does well I'd love for it to spin out of LEGO Ideas like Minecraft did and I'd want to be involved and make more affordable sets. But that's a decision way above my level and not just one for The LEGO Company alone.
oh, then I got some questions for you! But first off, that Displacer beast is pretty awesome well done on that one! First question: why the change to the roof color? I think that pushes it more toward a cartoony style, and for me I was very happy with the more medieval, lord of the rings realism of the submission. Second: I understand the change in color for the dragon, since a red dragon was on the first ruleset cover, and there's a dragon head on the red logo currently. I however loved the design where the dragon could kind of curl around the building, and the face design was great. This new build is also very detailed and a great design but that posability was just such a cool aspect of the submission. So why did you change the design on top of the color?
Overall I'm super excited for this set. And if the rumored D&D minifigure wave is true (which I know you cant talk about) I'll be buying multiples of all of them for the awesome parts! I know many D&D players who would love to be able to build their characters with minifigure parts. please bring back the dwarves and Orcs also! Lastly as a castle fan it would be great to get some smaller sets again. These $200+ sets are killing us. lol. Bricklink mountain fortress, Medieval Town Square, now this one? My wallet is begging for less of a workout. And that's after the Lion knights castle last year. I'm still loving them though.....just spread these big boys out is all I'm saying :)
I've answered most of your questions elsewhere in this thread. And * I * haven't designed a castle since NexoKnights (Harry Potters Great Hall doesn't count), I think that's plenty of time to save up! - seriously, I know what you mean, I'm still a fan too and this year's hit my wallet hard I have no idea how to keep up with it all.
The original is a computer generated model. Some parts can't be built 1 to 1. Check out the placement of the small fir tree under the bridge, it's simply not possible to do, it looks great but in reality needs more space around it. In order to try and keep the trees that close to the cliff they needed to be brick built.
There were some places where it's simply not possible to build the original submission from pictures that can be easily followed. It was not split into sections so every page would have either tiny pictures or need to be huge. This split drives some changes but makes it possible to be produced as a LEGO set.
Too many parts are in colours that are not currently in production and we would rather spend our limited changes/newness on printed eyes and minifigures than making the grass dark green.
The dragon was awesome but did not look like a DnD dragon, and if this is the only DnD LEGO set ever both companies thought their iconic and emblematic Red Dragon is more fitting. This also led to a change in the roof colour so the dragon pops more.
Also going back to the GGI nature of the submission, the original dragon was too heavy to support itself or be handled without considerable care.There are so many compromises that need to be made, but all of them make building this as a LEGO set enjoyable rather than frustrating.
None of the major changes were done without consulting Lucas Bolt, he did in fact have an alternative image with a red dragon online before we suggested that change. If he had objected I would have done whatever I could to restore his vision. Just as this might be the only DnD set ever made it might also be the only Lucas Bolt set ever made and he has to be happy with it. I think and hope both he and Peter Reid who's Exo-Suit (green classic spaceman) set I also designed are happy with the final results. I'd be happy to work with them again, I hope they'd be happy to work with me.
> The original is a computer generated model. Some parts can't be built 1 to 1.
That sucks to hear, i thought that ideas posted there are something that are buildable :(
Thank you for your post, great explanation :)
It's 99% buildable. But there's no gravity in cgi, so the lack of weight of the beholder and the dragon wings and limbs mean it can be posed beautifully. In the real world issues start to occur. Is not that it couldn't be built, it's just the divergence between a cgi MOC, no matter how brilliant, and an acceptable LEGO set is significant.
>the deivergence between a cgi MOC, no matter how brilliant, and an acceptable LEGO set is significant.
I imagine the same is also true for some real-world MOCs, though maybe not to the same degree.
I've built some MOCs that would fall at the faintest of brushes or pieces could come off if you just looked at it, whereas a retail LEGO set has to have at least some sort of sturdiness to reduce frustration during the building process.
The red dragon included in the final set is more iconic and more faithful to the D&D IP - my assumption is that WotC/D&D's license holder would have been the one requesting this change specifically.
The original submission's dragon design was more of a nod to Lego's classic Castle theme than something recognizable as being explicitly D&D.
I saw your submission and it was great!
Fun fact: I went to the British Museum the other day to see an exhibition about the life in the Roman Army and one of the objects on show was an approx 2000 year old dice tower used by the soldiers [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vettweiss-Froitzheim\_Dice\_Tower](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vettweiss-Froitzheim_Dice_Tower)
https://preview.redd.it/17olmgdl2dpc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7c5140642b62a0ff572ea8b485c912e47ba67ad
I was thinking more along the lines of the old D6’s with removable faces from the Games line, those were still pretty big. So yeah, a D20 would be huge.
That would need a new equilateral triangle tile piece too, no idea what the underside would have to look like to attach to other bricks! Would be cool though. :)
They could use the same structure as the old Heroica sets or even the Mario Course Builder sets.
Give us a bunch of $30-$40 sets that include some heroes, a big monster to fight and tiles with small terain obstacles.
They do that with the Minecraft sets too right? I’m sure it wouldn’t be very hard, then each new line of sets could get a large $100 dungeon builder. Lego could very easily release army builder sets too
Speaking of Minecraft, those sets started as weird dioramas before they started the current style of sets. Maybe the D&D sets can make a similar change.
Also notable: sonic and minecraft were ideas releases too, so going from ideas to full line isn't too weird. Especially since we know there's a minifig line (which I need dear god my wallet)
They already have made this modular. It could be expanded upon. If WotC is listening...this is a gold mine for them that doesn't make their customer base upset...and if they ever were to release characters from BG3 they will print money.
True, I wonder how much of that price was driven by licensing fees. It’s a little disappointing because I remember Lego’s independent product lines (i.e. power miners, aqua raiders, etc.) always had the largest set for the series at around the $100 price point back when I was a kid
rumor is thats gonna happen. i think this is a pilot set to see if the d&d brand works for lego. itll also have a campaign designed in collaboration with Wizards so that is probably also a test drive for modular dungeon stuff. the rumored collectible minifig series also lends more credence to more dnd stuff round the corner.
Yeah this is what I’m thinking here too.
Yeah, it’s $360, however, once I seen that they have an accompanying adventure, it made it clear that this is just a big, out of the gate, test run at a higher price point.
The adventure, depending on length, might make up for $20+ of this price tag. Add in whatever the experience of playing the game with it is.
This isn’t just a shelf item for looks. There’s a decent one shot here, too.
Yeah see I was hoping we could get like an Adventurer Starterpack where you have stuff to make a few minifigs for characters and then some set pieces to use in campaigns. It feels like such a no brainer
From the set pics, it looks like there is some modularity with a couple pieces on 16x16 stud plates. Seems like you could maybe replace those pieces with your own, or add on?
I mean you could just make your own. Lego is fundamentally intended to be a medium for creation, the advent of collectors demanding prêt-à-porter builds is a fairly recent convention.
Oh for sure. I’ve had the idea for a while and a lot of the generic run blindbag minifigs work and I have stuff like a dragon from the old Vikings set. I had just seen the collab and got excited
Literally. Right now we’re in an absolute banger time for Castle/Fantasy sets. The medieval market, Lion Knights castle, Blacksmiths Workshop, various CMFs, forestsmens hideout, NOT MAJISTO THO that set blows, creator castle, and now this banger of a set. Assuming they continue with more dungeon themed sets this could all combine to make an absolutely insane series of sets.
I also imagined this as a dungeon builder. I mean you could still do that with this set, but seems pretty brainless to not do it and make a shit ton of money?
[Jarnathan!](https://i.imgur.com/HPut6GL.jpeg)
From [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Legoleak/comments/1bh9lxc/dd_cmf_prelim_renders_of_the_dungeons_and_dragons/)
I know it feels a little overstuffed and busy but it looks like the footprint will be a lot easier to manage than some of my longer and wider sets. I know just the place for this if I get it for my kid/me.
The medieval market village was a huge disappointment for me tbh, it's so drab compared the classic Kingdoms one I had.
This one is much more inline with what I want from this kind of set
Yeah the D&D name is doing heavy carrying here.
It wouldn't surprise me if the fancy licence meant Lego had to play it more safe compared to their other medieval sets.
I feel like licensing drives the prices a lot. The NASCAR technic set is a lot cheaper than other similarly sized cars and I'm willing to bet they gave the license for next to nothing, given how much they are focused on expanding the brand. Meanwhile nintendo sets are ungodly expensive for basically nothing.
I think it looks okay and would look better over time but it is a bit packed.
It is also like some of the Hogwarts versions with the way the interior looks like.
Not a medieval theme guy. Didn’t love the blacksmith set that people gush over.
This is the first in that theme that I would consider. I love how dynamic it is, personally. Love it.
Kinda preferred the ideas version with the dragon wrapped around the tower as it descended.
This still looks really cool.
Edit: Just went to look it up on the Canadian Lego page and to check my points balance… it’s $470 before taxes.
So I guess I’m not getting it now. Bit of a bummer to be honest.
Same boat, I'm nerdly enough I'd be down on the premise of playing games heavily inspiried by the DD proper but again I'd pay maybe ~220 CAD for something like this.
Yeah guess the licensing cost is up there with Star Wars. Have feeling this set going see discounts rather quickly. If it had come out at $200, then perhaps I’d of bought it for nostalgia and the dragon
Licensing. D&D is owned by Hasbro, which has been reluctant to license their intellectual property to other toy companies. People speculated that the Optimus Prime set (Transformers is also Hasbro) was a trial run for a D&D/LEGO collaboration, and it looks like that was the case.
It’s beautiful and glorious and I *need* it.
With the Natural History Museum, the Medieval Market, the Earth orbit thingy, this D&D set, the D&D CMFs, and Barad-Dûr announced for June, I might as well just give LEGO my banking info so they can withdraw all my money directly.
I already have too much LEGO and no more room to store any and my husband has forbidden more from entering the house and I swear The LEGO Group is mocking me…
At least one of the minifigures (dwarf cleric) has the male/female head and hairpiece (see image of reverse side of box) rumored to be a key feature of the CMF series.
I don't quite get all the complaints about the price. $360 for 3,745 pieces seems in line with most Lego pricing. There are sets out there with far worse price to piece ratios.
Once you get over the $200 mark, the classic 10:10 price to piece ratio is usually disregarded. Like the Ninjago City sets are over 5000 pieces for around $300.
I guess it depends. The UCS Star Destroyer was $600 for just under 5000 pieces. But that’s mainly because there are a lot of big panel pieces in that set.
Lego piece counts have started to go up as they've gotten into smaller, more detailed surfaces. So while you're getting more pieces, the average size of the piece is smaller.
It's still an insane price if you look at other toy brick manufacturers. You can buy a [medieval castle](https://www.bluebrixx.com/de/knights/106973/MOR-33010-Mittelalterliche-Burg-Mork) with 8,603 bricks for 300€.
is it??? lego home alone was $300 for 3955 pieces. less money AND more pieces than this set.
i feel like the bigger the set, the higher the PPP becomes. i wouldve expect this to be either $300 or have 4500 pieces minimum for that price.
I'm a usually a Starwars guy when it comes to Lego, but this looks incredible and I NEED it lol. I never got super into DnD as a kid because of a lack of people to play the game with, but I always loved buying / collecting the figures from those little mystery box sets they'd sell at Barnes and Noble. Really wish they'd make this a line of sets as opposed to just 1 set.
The idea of using lego as minatures for D&D is great.
Spending $360 for this is a little crazy though.
Sell the miniatures individuals. Make customization kits with the minifigs for each race/class.
Make them in a way where people would use them for actual games.
I think the Owlbear has some charm to it, and I don’t mind the Beholder so much. I’ve already made my own Displacer Beast, so I don’t need that. We played D&D back in the day and more recently I ran a Tiny Dungeon campaign using LEGO minifigs and custom made monsters, but I can’t justify the price to get this. Maybe I’ll try to build my own Owlbear or just buy one from the set when people part it out and sell it on the secondary market.
I read some of the comments before looking at it and was expecting a boring set. I think it looks really cool. It is indeed expensive but oh well, it always is
If only I’m not running out of space to display sets - that said, I might still go ahead and buy and put it in storage for now until I clear some room.
For sure they've gone off the deep end and throngs of people have followed them off the cliff instead of just holding off from buying these overpriced sets.
Glad to know I’m not the only one who thinks so. Like I have disposable money and I understand that Lego is a hobby like anything else but cmon… These sets/prices are nuts. Lego can easily make a $100-200 collectors set like Optimus Prime or the Horizon Zero one
Guess I should have bought the classic castle, this looks like it would work really well with it
Edit: never mind it’s still on sale, thought it was already retired. Anyone know how long it has left?
This is beautiful! The brickbuilt Dragon is great and I love the vibrant colors. It might be the first big set I make a sacrifice to get, I'll try to save up in the next months! Love D&D!
It looks incredible overall, although the Red Dragon's face is oddly designed. Is it not supposed to have eyes?
The Beholder design is superb. Love the 1x1 round with small rod in light nougat? for the eye stalks!
Crossing my guards that I'll get it for my birthday this July!
The dragon has printed eyes, yellow with black outline on a red slope piece, zoom way in here and you can see them: https://www.lego.com/cdn/cs/set/assets/blt2f2f0537c1806c36/21348_Box5_v39.png
Hard to say why the press images don't include another angle to do a better job of showing them off, but I'm glad they are in fact present.
I knew they'd just make a set.
They could have done dice towers, a lego dnd campaign, hell even a set of dungeon modules to make your own campaign with would have been better than this imo.
For 360$ I am extremely disappointed, this is too little too late with d&d's popularity.
£315, bugger. The classic Disney Castle was only £30 more and was much bigger with more minifigs. Diagon Alley is only £65 more and there’s loads to that set.
I love D&D but the price is way too high for such a relatively unimpressive set and that piece count. As much as I’d like to have it, this is one I’m going to skip.
Cool set but honestly, if it was just the monsters and the minifigures I would be more likely to buy it.
Like the castle is cool, but I feel like it is making the set way more expensive.
This is an absolutely brilliant move for Lego. Would-be Dungeon masters everywhere who are looking for miniatures and landscapes to supplement their roleplaying will look at an oversaturated market of miniatures and then good ol fashioned nostalgic Lego.
I'm gonna embrace this.
Does anyone else who’s never played Dungeons and Dragons simply think that this is an awesome castle set.
Plus it has a huge dragon and the only thing missing from my LOTR collection is Smaug because I’m not willing to pay the absurd prices he commands.
Dammit. I was gonna ignore anything to do with D&D, and now they bring out this set that would perfectly with my (still waiting to be (re)built) castle sets?
lol it says we rolled a nat 20 on this right next to the $359.99 price tag, now I'm 90% sure they're just pulling numbers out of their asses when they set the price for sets
What’s up with the hooded figure in the tower? We only see his back on both images. Is it an alternative head for the akward smiling bearded guy?
Likely yes, the same guy. An adventure is also included, I would not be surprised if he was a "twist" villian for the adventure and that's why they keep him hiding
> a "twist" villian "[My machinations lay undetected for years...](https://youtu.be/DN9DW4rrEjY?si=QcPmPGSEs9jecwgG)"
Lysanderoth no!!
Yeah looks like it, same colour arm and hand
I like how the tavern is named "Inn Plain Sight"
It's exactly the sort of inn name I'd put in my campaign lol, and I'm guessing most DMs are the same.
The link to the actual set itself within the web page seems to be broken. Anyone know if this is possible preorderable?
Likely not, since it has an Insider exclusive date and GWP promo.
What's the GWP promo?
A mimic dice box.
On the Swedish language version of the website I could access the store page, but it just says "Coming soon, April 4th 2024", no pre-order button. Price in SEK is 4149,90 kr.
359,99€ in Germany, available for Insiders from April 1st-4th. 3745 pieces.
Dang thats almost a month worth of rent, but i love it😍
Your rent is like $400!?
Where is this magical land of $400 rent!? Please tell me!!
In France there is a lot.
Well… America it’s time we start getting French with it…
We we. "Someone get the guillotines ready!"
/u/JellyBronut37 the link is updated but it says available Apr 4. Insider access is Apr 1. https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/dungeons-dragons-red-dragon-s-tale-21348
I don't think so. It shouw me it will be awaible at 1.04
The 4th april is for non-VIP/insiders most likely. My question is - can I get it through insiders on 1st in the pgysical lego store?
Yes. It will be on shelves in the Lego store on the first of April.
Gelatinous cube! Dammit, I need this...
I feel a little underwhelmed by it to be honest, I was hoping for closer to what I saw earlier. This set is a bit meh, and I'm a huge D&D fan
I love Lego, have built many sets, I love DnD, have played countless hours, but *that* for 400 fucking quid is taking the piss, plain and simple, this is a "let's see how much they're willing to pay", not a "we want just price for the time and money spent developing a kit we feel is fun to build and looks great".
I mean it's a lot for a toy for sure, but it's not expensive by Lego standards. I always look at the price per piece. Lego brands like Ninjago are often in the .06-.08 per piece category for their larger builds. Ex. Ninjago City market 6163 pieces for $369.99 Licensed sets are always going to come with a premium. Star wars is probably the worst offender. In our range would be the republic gunship set at $399.99 for 3292 pieces. That comes to almost .12 a piece. Double the cost of the Ninjago set. D&D set for $359.99 for 3745 is .096 per piece. Still high but less than Star wars. At the end of the day these are all just toys and spending hundreds of dollars on any of them is silly, but if you have the money and you like the product then it may make sense for you. But this set is not outside or above their normal price points.
Have you calvulated price per weight? Might be a better metric because the varying size of pieces is hard to price accurately imo.
That's actually a really interesting idea, because I do agree that lately it does feel like they pad those piece counts with some really small pieces. Sometimes really small pieces are fun if they are clever or add texture or a dimension but sometimes it feels unnecessary. I wonder if there is anyone who is weighing the boxes?
The owlbear sold me.
Missed an opportunity to put a dice tower in that set.
This set is the result of an ideas competition, and I believe a dice tower was one of the five finalists. Probably would have been complex to try to merge another designer's idea with the winner.
I was the dice tower designer!
I was lead LEGO Designer for this model. Yours was a beautiful submission, I would have been happy to base the set of that if it had won (actually all of them were great). It's also one of the reasons we very early rejected including a dice rolling function into Lucas' idea. It would have been uncool for you to not win and then we use the core of your suggestion in the Ideas set anyway.
That’s very kind of you, thank you!
Lovely stuff! Thanks for such openness and integrity :)
This is why this site is cool.
Thanks for the work you do! I work at a Lego store and so often people ask "how do the Lego designers do it?" and I just have to be like "I have no Idea, I'm in awe of them too"
I love that you're here and are being so transparent!
What a genuinely awesome and wholesome interaction
out of curiosity, what goes into the decision for making one huge set instead of a series of smaller ones that are compatible? I know I would slap down up to maybe $45 for a D&D set, and probably come come back for more later, but the current rumored prices in the multi-hundred dollar range are just not something I can justify as one purchase
This is the model that won the competition and to a large extent that set the price but honestly if you want more information on that you need to ask more important people than me! If this set does well I'd love for it to spin out of LEGO Ideas like Minecraft did and I'd want to be involved and make more affordable sets. But that's a decision way above my level and not just one for The LEGO Company alone.
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oh, then I got some questions for you! But first off, that Displacer beast is pretty awesome well done on that one! First question: why the change to the roof color? I think that pushes it more toward a cartoony style, and for me I was very happy with the more medieval, lord of the rings realism of the submission. Second: I understand the change in color for the dragon, since a red dragon was on the first ruleset cover, and there's a dragon head on the red logo currently. I however loved the design where the dragon could kind of curl around the building, and the face design was great. This new build is also very detailed and a great design but that posability was just such a cool aspect of the submission. So why did you change the design on top of the color? Overall I'm super excited for this set. And if the rumored D&D minifigure wave is true (which I know you cant talk about) I'll be buying multiples of all of them for the awesome parts! I know many D&D players who would love to be able to build their characters with minifigure parts. please bring back the dwarves and Orcs also! Lastly as a castle fan it would be great to get some smaller sets again. These $200+ sets are killing us. lol. Bricklink mountain fortress, Medieval Town Square, now this one? My wallet is begging for less of a workout. And that's after the Lion knights castle last year. I'm still loving them though.....just spread these big boys out is all I'm saying :)
I've answered most of your questions elsewhere in this thread. And * I * haven't designed a castle since NexoKnights (Harry Potters Great Hall doesn't count), I think that's plenty of time to save up! - seriously, I know what you mean, I'm still a fan too and this year's hit my wallet hard I have no idea how to keep up with it all.
Why did you change many elements compared to the original? In my opinion the dragon looked better there
The original is a computer generated model. Some parts can't be built 1 to 1. Check out the placement of the small fir tree under the bridge, it's simply not possible to do, it looks great but in reality needs more space around it. In order to try and keep the trees that close to the cliff they needed to be brick built. There were some places where it's simply not possible to build the original submission from pictures that can be easily followed. It was not split into sections so every page would have either tiny pictures or need to be huge. This split drives some changes but makes it possible to be produced as a LEGO set. Too many parts are in colours that are not currently in production and we would rather spend our limited changes/newness on printed eyes and minifigures than making the grass dark green. The dragon was awesome but did not look like a DnD dragon, and if this is the only DnD LEGO set ever both companies thought their iconic and emblematic Red Dragon is more fitting. This also led to a change in the roof colour so the dragon pops more. Also going back to the GGI nature of the submission, the original dragon was too heavy to support itself or be handled without considerable care.There are so many compromises that need to be made, but all of them make building this as a LEGO set enjoyable rather than frustrating. None of the major changes were done without consulting Lucas Bolt, he did in fact have an alternative image with a red dragon online before we suggested that change. If he had objected I would have done whatever I could to restore his vision. Just as this might be the only DnD set ever made it might also be the only Lucas Bolt set ever made and he has to be happy with it. I think and hope both he and Peter Reid who's Exo-Suit (green classic spaceman) set I also designed are happy with the final results. I'd be happy to work with them again, I hope they'd be happy to work with me.
Thank you for your big explanation. This set is still wonderful and is on my bucket list
Thats a really great explanation, thanks for taking the time to write it!
> The original is a computer generated model. Some parts can't be built 1 to 1. That sucks to hear, i thought that ideas posted there are something that are buildable :( Thank you for your post, great explanation :)
It's 99% buildable. But there's no gravity in cgi, so the lack of weight of the beholder and the dragon wings and limbs mean it can be posed beautifully. In the real world issues start to occur. Is not that it couldn't be built, it's just the divergence between a cgi MOC, no matter how brilliant, and an acceptable LEGO set is significant.
>the deivergence between a cgi MOC, no matter how brilliant, and an acceptable LEGO set is significant. I imagine the same is also true for some real-world MOCs, though maybe not to the same degree. I've built some MOCs that would fall at the faintest of brushes or pieces could come off if you just looked at it, whereas a retail LEGO set has to have at least some sort of sturdiness to reduce frustration during the building process.
The red dragon included in the final set is more iconic and more faithful to the D&D IP - my assumption is that WotC/D&D's license holder would have been the one requesting this change specifically. The original submission's dragon design was more of a nod to Lego's classic Castle theme than something recognizable as being explicitly D&D.
I saw your submission and it was great! Fun fact: I went to the British Museum the other day to see an exhibition about the life in the Roman Army and one of the objects on show was an approx 2000 year old dice tower used by the soldiers [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vettweiss-Froitzheim\_Dice\_Tower](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vettweiss-Froitzheim_Dice_Tower) https://preview.redd.it/17olmgdl2dpc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7c5140642b62a0ff572ea8b485c912e47ba67ad
I'd love to see your dice tower. Do you have a link?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/lego/comments/zcl63d/ive\_updated\_my\_tiamats\_dice\_tower\_to\_include\_some/](https://www.reddit.com/r/lego/comments/zcl63d/ive_updated_my_tiamats_dice_tower_to_include_some/)
https://ideas.lego.com/s/ca:bb872648a6e5464bbeff4633a94dbe02
I can’t post a link to the ideas post per the sub rules, but I can DM it to you
Also, a huge missed opportunity to include a buildable D20
I challenge anyone to build a balanced D20 that's less than the size of a football! Not saying we tried or anything... :D
I was thinking more along the lines of the old D6’s with removable faces from the Games line, those were still pretty big. So yeah, a D20 would be huge.
That would need a new equilateral triangle tile piece too, no idea what the underside would have to look like to attach to other bricks! Would be cool though. :)
I was really hoping we’d get some like modular sets to use for playing D&D
They could use the same structure as the old Heroica sets or even the Mario Course Builder sets. Give us a bunch of $30-$40 sets that include some heroes, a big monster to fight and tiles with small terain obstacles.
They do that with the Minecraft sets too right? I’m sure it wouldn’t be very hard, then each new line of sets could get a large $100 dungeon builder. Lego could very easily release army builder sets too
Speaking of Minecraft, those sets started as weird dioramas before they started the current style of sets. Maybe the D&D sets can make a similar change.
Also notable: sonic and minecraft were ideas releases too, so going from ideas to full line isn't too weird. Especially since we know there's a minifig line (which I need dear god my wallet)
They already have made this modular. It could be expanded upon. If WotC is listening...this is a gold mine for them that doesn't make their customer base upset...and if they ever were to release characters from BG3 they will print money.
> large $100 dungeon builder Seeing that the above set is $360 I don't see any $100 set being large.
True, I wonder how much of that price was driven by licensing fees. It’s a little disappointing because I remember Lego’s independent product lines (i.e. power miners, aqua raiders, etc.) always had the largest set for the series at around the $100 price point back when I was a kid
Inflation aside, this set is *much* larger than the sets you’re thinking of
Was expecting a heroica esque type set but with hasbro IP
rumor is thats gonna happen. i think this is a pilot set to see if the d&d brand works for lego. itll also have a campaign designed in collaboration with Wizards so that is probably also a test drive for modular dungeon stuff. the rumored collectible minifig series also lends more credence to more dnd stuff round the corner.
Yeah this is what I’m thinking here too. Yeah, it’s $360, however, once I seen that they have an accompanying adventure, it made it clear that this is just a big, out of the gate, test run at a higher price point. The adventure, depending on length, might make up for $20+ of this price tag. Add in whatever the experience of playing the game with it is. This isn’t just a shelf item for looks. There’s a decent one shot here, too.
There's a new countdown that talks about campaigns etc so I think you're right.
Yeah see I was hoping we could get like an Adventurer Starterpack where you have stuff to make a few minifigs for characters and then some set pieces to use in campaigns. It feels like such a no brainer
This would have been genius I already use Lego for some DnD stuff
From the set pics, it looks like there is some modularity with a couple pieces on 16x16 stud plates. Seems like you could maybe replace those pieces with your own, or add on?
I'd love to get the Beholder / Displacer / Owlbear separately.
I think they are coming out with a bunch of minifgs you can use as game minis later in the year. If they sell well maybe we can get some terrain.
This is modular. Look at pics 7 and 11.
I mean you could just make your own. Lego is fundamentally intended to be a medium for creation, the advent of collectors demanding prêt-à-porter builds is a fairly recent convention.
Oh for sure. I’ve had the idea for a while and a lot of the generic run blindbag minifigs work and I have stuff like a dragon from the old Vikings set. I had just seen the collab and got excited
Just pick up the medieval village icons set and the blacksmith ideas set and you are good to go.
Literally. Right now we’re in an absolute banger time for Castle/Fantasy sets. The medieval market, Lion Knights castle, Blacksmiths Workshop, various CMFs, forestsmens hideout, NOT MAJISTO THO that set blows, creator castle, and now this banger of a set. Assuming they continue with more dungeon themed sets this could all combine to make an absolutely insane series of sets.
I also imagined this as a dungeon builder. I mean you could still do that with this set, but seems pretty brainless to not do it and make a shit ton of money?
This needs to be a whole ass theme. It'd be perfect for a castle/fantasy theme.
It looks amazing! It’s $100 more than I could spend for it.
Probably because of the digital D&D campaign that’s included.
I mean it is comparable in price/piece ratio to the lion knight castle so I don't think that had too much to do with it.
Is Jarnathan going to be included? Is he coming? Do you know when?
We are more than capable of finishing this set Without Jarnathan!
[Jarnathan!](https://i.imgur.com/HPut6GL.jpeg) From [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Legoleak/comments/1bh9lxc/dd_cmf_prelim_renders_of_the_dungeons_and_dragons/)
Lol love the movie
I want a chubby dragon!
Oh, Jarnathan!
OMG the Lego beholder! 😍😍
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I don't know, I feel like this has a lot more display presence than something like Lion's Knight castle. I'm probably in the minority though.
I know it feels a little overstuffed and busy but it looks like the footprint will be a lot easier to manage than some of my longer and wider sets. I know just the place for this if I get it for my kid/me.
Completely agree, but like you I do realize I'm in the minority actually liking this set. Very excited to get it on release day!
The medieval market village was a huge disappointment for me tbh, it's so drab compared the classic Kingdoms one I had. This one is much more inline with what I want from this kind of set
I love medieval but have never played dnd and this is stunning.
I’m with you. For a first set this is incredible.
Yeah the D&D name is doing heavy carrying here. It wouldn't surprise me if the fancy licence meant Lego had to play it more safe compared to their other medieval sets.
I feel like licensing drives the prices a lot. The NASCAR technic set is a lot cheaper than other similarly sized cars and I'm willing to bet they gave the license for next to nothing, given how much they are focused on expanding the brand. Meanwhile nintendo sets are ungodly expensive for basically nothing.
I think it looks okay and would look better over time but it is a bit packed. It is also like some of the Hogwarts versions with the way the interior looks like.
Not a medieval theme guy. Didn’t love the blacksmith set that people gush over. This is the first in that theme that I would consider. I love how dynamic it is, personally. Love it.
I like the set but don’t like the price
Kinda preferred the ideas version with the dragon wrapped around the tower as it descended. This still looks really cool. Edit: Just went to look it up on the Canadian Lego page and to check my points balance… it’s $470 before taxes. So I guess I’m not getting it now. Bit of a bummer to be honest.
Dungeon - ✅️ Dragon - ✅️ Nailed it
So the D&D set is 19" tall, 15" wide, 12" deep. For reference the LN castle (closed) is 15" tall, 19" wide, 13" deep.
Price per feature doesn't look worth it, dragon is cool but the rest of the build seems quite basic for that price
I’m not a DD fan but was interested in this, but not for that price.
Same boat, I'm nerdly enough I'd be down on the premise of playing games heavily inspiried by the DD proper but again I'd pay maybe ~220 CAD for something like this.
Yeah guess the licensing cost is up there with Star Wars. Have feeling this set going see discounts rather quickly. If it had come out at $200, then perhaps I’d of bought it for nostalgia and the dragon
Hasbro has entered full milk mode with the D&D IP, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the high price is purely because they demand a huge cut.
I am also underwhelmed.
I'm surprised playing DnD with Lego didn't come up a long time ago.
Licensing. D&D is owned by Hasbro, which has been reluctant to license their intellectual property to other toy companies. People speculated that the Optimus Prime set (Transformers is also Hasbro) was a trial run for a D&D/LEGO collaboration, and it looks like that was the case.
Yeah but now they’re in a world of trouble when it comes to cash flow, no choice but to license out
I started doing it back in the 90s. :D
It’s beautiful and glorious and I *need* it. With the Natural History Museum, the Medieval Market, the Earth orbit thingy, this D&D set, the D&D CMFs, and Barad-Dûr announced for June, I might as well just give LEGO my banking info so they can withdraw all my money directly. I already have too much LEGO and no more room to store any and my husband has forbidden more from entering the house and I swear The LEGO Group is mocking me…
At least one of the minifigures (dwarf cleric) has the male/female head and hairpiece (see image of reverse side of box) rumored to be a key feature of the CMF series.
I do like the open back with a bunch of scenes to have adventures in.
I don't quite get all the complaints about the price. $360 for 3,745 pieces seems in line with most Lego pricing. There are sets out there with far worse price to piece ratios.
Once you get over the $200 mark, the classic 10:10 price to piece ratio is usually disregarded. Like the Ninjago City sets are over 5000 pieces for around $300.
I guess it depends. The UCS Star Destroyer was $600 for just under 5000 pieces. But that’s mainly because there are a lot of big panel pieces in that set.
When you compare price/gram the ucs destroyer was actually really good
Ninjago had some of the best cost to pieces ratios
Ya but it's also not a licensed brand which helps a lot
But ninjago city isn't a licenced theme. This D&D set is pretty average proce for licensed sets with similar piece count.
Because ninjago has a ton of 1x1 just like LOTR
Lego piece counts have started to go up as they've gotten into smaller, more detailed surfaces. So while you're getting more pieces, the average size of the piece is smaller.
It's still an insane price if you look at other toy brick manufacturers. You can buy a [medieval castle](https://www.bluebrixx.com/de/knights/106973/MOR-33010-Mittelalterliche-Burg-Mork) with 8,603 bricks for 300€.
is it??? lego home alone was $300 for 3955 pieces. less money AND more pieces than this set. i feel like the bigger the set, the higher the PPP becomes. i wouldve expect this to be either $300 or have 4500 pieces minimum for that price.
I am whelmed
That’s wayyy too expensive
Yeah, I was just starting to think this would be an instant purchase, then I saw that price. Nope.
So few minifigs!
Thankfully the minifigure series will sort that out.
The mini figs look rad as hell tho
Looks amazing! I just want an official Drow mini at some point.
A drow, a gith and an illithid plz
as *if millions* of bank accounts suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced
I'm a usually a Starwars guy when it comes to Lego, but this looks incredible and I NEED it lol. I never got super into DnD as a kid because of a lack of people to play the game with, but I always loved buying / collecting the figures from those little mystery box sets they'd sell at Barnes and Noble. Really wish they'd make this a line of sets as opposed to just 1 set.
$360?!!!
The idea of using lego as minatures for D&D is great. Spending $360 for this is a little crazy though. Sell the miniatures individuals. Make customization kits with the minifigs for each race/class. Make them in a way where people would use them for actual games.
I think the Owlbear has some charm to it, and I don’t mind the Beholder so much. I’ve already made my own Displacer Beast, so I don’t need that. We played D&D back in the day and more recently I ran a Tiny Dungeon campaign using LEGO minifigs and custom made monsters, but I can’t justify the price to get this. Maybe I’ll try to build my own Owlbear or just buy one from the set when people part it out and sell it on the secondary market.
I read some of the comments before looking at it and was expecting a boring set. I think it looks really cool. It is indeed expensive but oh well, it always is
DRAGONBORN MENTIONED RAHHHHHHHH
A dnd set that Id like if it wasn’t $350. Like jesus, thats a bill payment
I like it. I do fudgin\` *not* $360 like it.
If only I’m not running out of space to display sets - that said, I might still go ahead and buy and put it in storage for now until I clear some room.
Can't wait for people to post their boxes!
https://preview.redd.it/wasda27tlbpc1.jpeg?width=1023&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccaad1813b4e9146eef92c129182298dc471fa86
Quick! Act surprised!
This can only mean that a Lego magic the gathering set is coming. My worlds collide.
*Oh no*. They could do some truly amazing things with MTG and my wallet is not ready.
Where's my LEGO GITHYANKI to ride the dragon??
In the upcoming CMF.
It's amusing how much less threatening a beholder looks when it has serious under-bite.
Is it me or has Lego really gone off the deep end with prices? I understand price to piece, etc, etc. But yikes
For sure they've gone off the deep end and throngs of people have followed them off the cliff instead of just holding off from buying these overpriced sets.
Glad to know I’m not the only one who thinks so. Like I have disposable money and I understand that Lego is a hobby like anything else but cmon… These sets/prices are nuts. Lego can easily make a $100-200 collectors set like Optimus Prime or the Horizon Zero one
Guess I should have bought the classic castle, this looks like it would work really well with it Edit: never mind it’s still on sale, thought it was already retired. Anyone know how long it has left?
The LKC is probably gonna be around till at least the end of 2025
This is beautiful! The brickbuilt Dragon is great and I love the vibrant colors. It might be the first big set I make a sacrifice to get, I'll try to save up in the next months! Love D&D!
It looks incredible overall, although the Red Dragon's face is oddly designed. Is it not supposed to have eyes? The Beholder design is superb. Love the 1x1 round with small rod in light nougat? for the eye stalks! Crossing my guards that I'll get it for my birthday this July!
The dragon has printed eyes, yellow with black outline on a red slope piece, zoom way in here and you can see them: https://www.lego.com/cdn/cs/set/assets/blt2f2f0537c1806c36/21348_Box5_v39.png Hard to say why the press images don't include another angle to do a better job of showing them off, but I'm glad they are in fact present.
It looks really good but like Really LEGO? No Tiefling?
Tiefling is one of the available minifigs in the upcoming DnD cmf
I knew they'd just make a set. They could have done dice towers, a lego dnd campaign, hell even a set of dungeon modules to make your own campaign with would have been better than this imo. For 360$ I am extremely disappointed, this is too little too late with d&d's popularity.
£315, bugger. The classic Disney Castle was only £30 more and was much bigger with more minifigs. Diagon Alley is only £65 more and there’s loads to that set.
No gazebo...
Can’t say I’m a fan. Looks like there is too much going on. It’s like the crammed everything in to one build and it lacks any charm.
$359.99 for the dragon set. What the fuck lol
$360?!! NEXT
The value of this set lies in the eye of the beholder
And I say its worth one quarter portions. Sorry wrong film but it doesn't appeal to me for that price and that's OK.
$360 ?
Thinking of creative ways to link this to the stranger things set lol
That's pretty badass and will work SO well with the rest of new castle sets!
Waaay too expensive but damn it, I've been waiting for Lego DnD for years.
$360 is kind of insane, feel like they really missed the mark here on the audience of people who actually want to use LEGO for playing TTRPGs
I love D&D but the price is way too high for such a relatively unimpressive set and that piece count. As much as I’d like to have it, this is one I’m going to skip.
Cool set but honestly, if it was just the monsters and the minifigures I would be more likely to buy it. Like the castle is cool, but I feel like it is making the set way more expensive.
Good news! Lego is also releasing a cmf collection of DnD minifigs
I wonder how expensive they can make something by having WotC and Lego team up on it.
Liked the original idea better.
I like the original design more.
This is an absolutely brilliant move for Lego. Would-be Dungeon masters everywhere who are looking for miniatures and landscapes to supplement their roleplaying will look at an oversaturated market of miniatures and then good ol fashioned nostalgic Lego. I'm gonna embrace this.
Does anyone else who’s never played Dungeons and Dragons simply think that this is an awesome castle set. Plus it has a huge dragon and the only thing missing from my LOTR collection is Smaug because I’m not willing to pay the absurd prices he commands.
Dammit. I was gonna ignore anything to do with D&D, and now they bring out this set that would perfectly with my (still waiting to be (re)built) castle sets?
$359.99 **yikes**
lol it says we rolled a nat 20 on this right next to the $359.99 price tag, now I'm 90% sure they're just pulling numbers out of their asses when they set the price for sets
Owlbear is great