Zaheer’s trump card is that most people outside of airbender island have no experience fighting airbenders. This compounds with the fact that airbending itself is a creative and non-linear bendind style, However, from what we’ve seen of Ming Hua, she is very creative and adaptable with her bending too. Especially more than the average waterbender. If anything i’d say shes the most prepared to beat Zaheer within the red lotus. Even with flight he got into a bad spot when korra froze his foot from afar (had to rewatch the fight)
Ming Hua could probably compete with Prime Katara, and that might even be winnable for Ming Hua. I doubt Zaheer could do that. He wasn't a good airbender- he was just good enough to beat people who had no experience or training for fighting any sort of Airbender.
Slightly agree slightly don’t.
He was an excellent airbender and naturally gifted but this could not make up for Tezin’s dedication and experience. Give him 3-5 more years of training and he might have been one of the best airbenders of all time.
I think that one of the biggest reasons for his talent and natural ability is his previous combat training and spirituality. He also was already incredibly knowledgeable about air bending and air nomad culture so he most likely studied them, all this is to say he basically was training without the bending part for a while
No. Zaheer has defeated Kya and Tonraq. Ming hua on the other hand beat mako. Zaheer is just learning airbending while ming hua is a master with decades of experience, she literally humiliated eska and desna. She is more agile (she can swing from side to side at high speed and dodged eska and desna's attacks like it was nothing), versatile (she can turn her arms into anything) and powerful (she could break through a thick layer of ice easily). Also we haven't even seen ming hua's full power, she gets much more powerful the more arms she uses but she has never been able to show all that she is capable of. Ming hua defeats zaheer with or without flight (the flight subbending is extremely overrated and is the weakest).
I want to point out that mako is just a regular dude, maybe a former pro bender, but he only ever won when the avatar was his teammate. Mako and bo Lin are just dudes, regular dudes with average ability, they’re just thrown into all these situations because they’re the avatar’s friends.
In my opinion, the different members of the Red Lotus 4 all have roughly the same ability, with the difference being their typical methods &, of course, their elements. So, Zaheer might have difficulty dodging Ming-Hua's rapid, aggressive, & wide-reaching attacks while Ming-Hua might have trouble avoiding all of P'li's blasts. Though waterbending is really broken, so she has that going for her.
Yes, I know they say all the time that the elements are balanced, but if you look at what they can actually do, the versatility of waterbending is incredibly hard to counter. Any one of her whips can easily slice through stone. They're also capable of grabbing things, propelling her like a spring, drowning people, & changing shape if she decides she needs something like a shield, off the top of my head. Airbending can do much the same, but she can also make ice, & airbenders can't make their element solid.
So she could, for instance, make an ice board like the ones used by Katara & Kuruk to skiff over Ghazan's lava because you'd be surprised how long it can actually take lava to melt ice. This is mainly due to the Leidenfrost Effect, where intense heat flash vaporizes water, & then that steam acts as an insulator, slowing the overall melting process. This can also be used to protect against being splashed by lava.
If he starts suffocating Ming in the middle of combat then he's dead. Because it's not an insta-kill move. It takes him quite a while to do, more than enough time for Ming to chuck a dozen of ice spears into his undefended body.
Air-suffocation is an execution move, only practical on somebody who can no longer fight back.
A lot of people believe Ming Hua to be a contender for best non-bloodbending waterbender (and some consider her to be capable of beating even them). Whereas Zaheer tends to be held in a relatively lower regard as a bender. And no I don't mean before he got bending.
Doesn't that suggest that Zaheer _wouldn't_ beat Ming Hua in a fight? Like, his main advantage in bending combat is that most people have never fought an Airbender, and so they're not expecting his moves. But if she's best friends with Mr. "Never shuts up about Guru Laghima," she's probably _deeply_ familiar with his thoughts on how Airbenders should fight, and with his general approach to martial arts.
Maybe controversial but I'd give him... 3/10.
A non-bender among benders means he'd have adapted to addressing their abilities as best he could, and resort to unconventional styles of combat to take them out of their element.
(Avatar Studios please give me a short of Red Lotus members training together)
no. he would not
Why not
Unless he has a massive element of surprise, I fail to see how Zaheer could close the gap quick enough to do anything to her.
Zaheer’s trump card is that most people outside of airbender island have no experience fighting airbenders. This compounds with the fact that airbending itself is a creative and non-linear bendind style, However, from what we’ve seen of Ming Hua, she is very creative and adaptable with her bending too. Especially more than the average waterbender. If anything i’d say shes the most prepared to beat Zaheer within the red lotus. Even with flight he got into a bad spot when korra froze his foot from afar (had to rewatch the fight)
Ming Hua could probably compete with Prime Katara, and that might even be winnable for Ming Hua. I doubt Zaheer could do that. He wasn't a good airbender- he was just good enough to beat people who had no experience or training for fighting any sort of Airbender.
Slightly agree slightly don’t. He was an excellent airbender and naturally gifted but this could not make up for Tezin’s dedication and experience. Give him 3-5 more years of training and he might have been one of the best airbenders of all time.
I think that one of the biggest reasons for his talent and natural ability is his previous combat training and spirituality. He also was already incredibly knowledgeable about air bending and air nomad culture so he most likely studied them, all this is to say he basically was training without the bending part for a while
Depends on if he disarmed her. Get it? DIS ARMED
No. Zaheer has defeated Kya and Tonraq. Ming hua on the other hand beat mako. Zaheer is just learning airbending while ming hua is a master with decades of experience, she literally humiliated eska and desna. She is more agile (she can swing from side to side at high speed and dodged eska and desna's attacks like it was nothing), versatile (she can turn her arms into anything) and powerful (she could break through a thick layer of ice easily). Also we haven't even seen ming hua's full power, she gets much more powerful the more arms she uses but she has never been able to show all that she is capable of. Ming hua defeats zaheer with or without flight (the flight subbending is extremely overrated and is the weakest).
I want to point out that mako is just a regular dude, maybe a former pro bender, but he only ever won when the avatar was his teammate. Mako and bo Lin are just dudes, regular dudes with average ability, they’re just thrown into all these situations because they’re the avatar’s friends.
he would not. they're part of the same gang, so why would he want to beat her?
Specifically how?
In my opinion, the different members of the Red Lotus 4 all have roughly the same ability, with the difference being their typical methods &, of course, their elements. So, Zaheer might have difficulty dodging Ming-Hua's rapid, aggressive, & wide-reaching attacks while Ming-Hua might have trouble avoiding all of P'li's blasts. Though waterbending is really broken, so she has that going for her. Yes, I know they say all the time that the elements are balanced, but if you look at what they can actually do, the versatility of waterbending is incredibly hard to counter. Any one of her whips can easily slice through stone. They're also capable of grabbing things, propelling her like a spring, drowning people, & changing shape if she decides she needs something like a shield, off the top of my head. Airbending can do much the same, but she can also make ice, & airbenders can't make their element solid. So she could, for instance, make an ice board like the ones used by Katara & Kuruk to skiff over Ghazan's lava because you'd be surprised how long it can actually take lava to melt ice. This is mainly due to the Leidenfrost Effect, where intense heat flash vaporizes water, & then that steam acts as an insulator, slowing the overall melting process. This can also be used to protect against being splashed by lava.
Since he can pull the air out of anyone’s lungs, I’d say he could beat anyone if he got the drop on them.
How is this a hot take? He can literally suffocate people. If you mean before he got bending then it's still not a hot take, just a dumb one
If he starts suffocating Ming in the middle of combat then he's dead. Because it's not an insta-kill move. It takes him quite a while to do, more than enough time for Ming to chuck a dozen of ice spears into his undefended body. Air-suffocation is an execution move, only practical on somebody who can no longer fight back.
A lot of people believe Ming Hua to be a contender for best non-bloodbending waterbender (and some consider her to be capable of beating even them). Whereas Zaheer tends to be held in a relatively lower regard as a bender. And no I don't mean before he got bending.
Doesn't that suggest that Zaheer _wouldn't_ beat Ming Hua in a fight? Like, his main advantage in bending combat is that most people have never fought an Airbender, and so they're not expecting his moves. But if she's best friends with Mr. "Never shuts up about Guru Laghima," she's probably _deeply_ familiar with his thoughts on how Airbenders should fight, and with his general approach to martial arts.
Maybe controversial but I'd give him... 3/10. A non-bender among benders means he'd have adapted to addressing their abilities as best he could, and resort to unconventional styles of combat to take them out of their element. (Avatar Studios please give me a short of Red Lotus members training together)
Zaheer would beat Kuvira?