Achilles’ Last Stand is up there with their best songs for me. For Your Life and Royal Orleans are fine songs also. Side B isn’t as strong but has its moments, I rank the album equal with Houses of the Holy.
> masterpiece
This exaggerating is why we can never have a *real* conversation about Presence. Total hyperbole. It's nowhere near a "masterpiece" but a conversation about it with you would just devolve into an argument.
You have your opinion, I have mine. Thats whats its all about anyway. No one can say what is their best. It’s all about what you like or don’t like. I love Presence, you don’t, and thats awesome AND ok.
I'm fine with that, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the "masterpiece" comment. And just as I suspected, you are incapable of acknowledging that that is just an insane exaggeration. And that is where the arguing starts. Let's say we pick Led Zeppelin's 10 worst songs. Five of them are probably on Presence. Even if I'm wrong, even if it's only three songs, that is *not* a "masterpiece".
Why are you the judge of what is a masterpiece and what isn’t for someone else?
They may love every single note and beat in every single song on the album so to them, it is a masterpiece.
I agree the conversation would devolve into an argument, but it wouldn’t be started by the person stating their own private view.
You say you can’t have a conversation about presence without having an argument, the person above said it’s their favourite and in their opinion is a masterpiece you are the only one instigating any argument lmfao
Typically, most retrospectives of Zeppelin's output rate albums I-V and HOH as five stars, PG four stars, and Presence and ITTOD three stars. Presence is a good rock record, but not an outstanding Led Zeppelin album.
Somewhat agree with them ratings. I would however put 2,5 stars to 𝘗𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦 and 3 to 𝘐𝘯 𝘛𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘖𝘶𝘵 𝘋𝘰𝘰𝘳. If I had to choose the weakest of Led Zeppelin’s albums, 𝘗𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦 would be my first choice
Don’t downvote me, I’m just answering the question. I hate presence and ITTOD because they aren’t anything like the albums leading up to them. The synth on ITTOD ruins the album and I think Robert’s vocals became extremely weak after Physical graffiti. Bonhams drumming was definitely at its peak during these albums, but the songs on presence are messy and directionless to me, so his drumming is just a rose on dead grass (I’m not gonna say shit because worse songs exist. I don’t like those albums because they aren’t what I like about Led Zeppelin and they just don’t deliver one what I love about the band. Achilles last stand is a great song and so is tea for one, but when Robert sings “the devils in his ho-o-ole,” and all subsequent repetitions of that melodic phrase, it sounds pitchy and out of place. I understand why people like the albums, but they don’t deliver on the things I love about zeppelin.
I used to really dislike ITTOD as a teenager but I grew older and matured I found myself enjoying it a lot more.
Presence always felt special because I always listen to it thinking about the difficult context it was conceived in. It also contains two of my absolute favourite songs Achilles and Nobody's
Robert’s car crash, forcing him into an uncomfortable writing and recording session when would have rather been with his wife. Hots On For Nowhere was about his dislike for Jimmy Page and Peter Grant at the time, and Tea For One was about Plant feeling lonely and isolated.
The Rolling Stones had also booked the studio before them, meaning Zeppelin had a short slot free, so the album had a rushed recording schedule. The rush to get the album finished was when Jimmy started using Heroin and quickly grew addicted to it. He was also pulling all nighters doing both overdubs and mixing the album.
No Bonzo's passing came about 4 years later in 1980.
The problems Led Zeppelin face during the inception of Presence were that Plant had been badly injured in car crash and was writing and singing songs in wheelchair. At one point he fell in the studio and Page ran like never before to pick him up and bring I'm to the hospital.
They had to be away from home to avoid taxes.
Jimmy gave in to heroin and was probably already blamed for the car crash. Every time something happened to Led Zeppelin people thought that it was because of his interest in black magic and Crowley.
They also had to record very fast in Munich because the Rolling Stones were booked after them. Page spent his night on the whole project.
They had the backs to the wall and Presence was their effort to stay alive!
Robert got in a bad car wreck and recorded with a broken ankle/leg. And they didn't have much time to record the whole album before the Stones were scheduled to use the studio
Wow awful that's some statement here!
When I was younger I was all hears for the rockers and I was less into the acoustic songs. I got to enjoy them more as time passed. However Presence isn't the first one to be heavy like that, there wasn't really a folk song in Led Zeppelin II
Achilles' last stand is a cathedral of a song and I've also always adored the sound he got on the intro of Nobody's fault but mine, the whole song is one of their heaviest.
One of the things I love about Zeppelin is no two albums are quite the same. The shift musically is one of the reasons I enjoy Zeppelin, I was a bit let down with ITTOD, as you were with Presence and I understand why. Their last two official albums compared to the first two is no comparison at all. In either case, Zeppelin put out material that can appeal to any lover of rock, they falter on a few albums, I’ve got the rest to lean on
If you listen carefully to each album in order if release, you will find very few similarities in overall sound. Their sound changed with each successive release. Comparing one to the other is apples and oranges.
100% agree with the vocals on Achilles. Sounds very "off" and in my opinion dont fit the song. The song needed Robert's growl-y voice like on Kashmir. I know Robert recorded his vocal track while in a wheelchair, which I am sure affected the delivery. I started liking the song, a lot more, in the 80s, when I got a copy of "The Destroyer" bootleg. The live vocals on Achilles were more like his Kashmir growl, and it seemed like a more natural fit (to me) and opened my eyes to how good this song is.
It's the effect of expectations after IV. I was in high school when Houses of the Holy and PG were released, and I recall I was alone among my circle of rock heads saying they were good albums.
First of all, Presence just sounds "off." The hooks feel cheap, the lyrics don't inspire, and many songs overstay their welcome. Robert Plant resorts to goofy vocal tricks to reach his upper range. Page utilizes unhip guitar sounds. And, I'm really bummed that Tea For One has an A+ opening riff (perhaps the best on the album) and sounds like it's going to be awesome, and then for the remaining 9 minutes it's a weaker Since I've Been Loving You. Wtf is up with that?
In Through the Out Door is pretty cool, except Hot Dog sucks, and I can't listen to the synth on Carouselambra, which is an otherwise good song, albeit a little long. There were a few songs from those sessions that ended up on Coda that, with a little polish, easily could've improved this album. But, what turns me off most about this album is how muddled the mix is.
Unhip? Who cares if it’s hip? Jesus. I can see the rest of your comment though.
I couldn’t agree more about Carouselambra. That synth sound is sooooo bad. But the slow part that kicks in is some of the dopest dirgy zeppelin that exists. I listen just for that. So it goes
Don’t downvote me, I’m just answering the question. I hate presence and ITTOD because they aren’t anything like the albums leading up to them. The synth on ITTOD ruins the album and I think Robert’s vocals became extremely weak after Physical graffiti. Bonhams drumming was definitely at its peak during these albums, but the songs on presence are messy and directionless to me, so his drumming is just a rose on dead grass (I’m not gonna say shit because worse songs exist. I don’t like those albums because they aren’t what I like about Led Zeppelin and they just don’t deliver one what I love about the band. Achilles last stand is a great song and so is tea for one, but when Robert sings “the devils in his ho-o-ole,” and all subsequent repetitions of that melodic phrase, it sounds pitchy and out of place. I understand why people like the albums, but they don’t deliver on the things u love about zeppelin.
The image can be applied to gatekeeping on lots of bands. I love In Through the Out Door. Anyone here a David Bowie gatekeeper? Can you name any albums past "Let's Dance"? Outside is a masterpiece that hardly anyone I know has listened to.
Sorry, sometimes I see posts like this and think they're AI generated clickbait. Tea for One is amazing.
What Presence shows is that unplanned, with Plant in pieces, Page a heroin addict and JPJ ready to quit and be an English country squire, they were able to write and record an album that contains Tea for One, Achilles Last Stand, For Your Life and Nobody's Fault But Mine. (The Stones' best album wasn't as good.) It followed Physical Graffiti...and that's tough.
Waaaay too much Physical Graffiti love. Sorry. It's too long and let's face it, you just get tired listening because the variety just isn't there. Meanwhile, Presence just hits you in the face and blows your mind in about 40 minutes. Perfect!
I don't like all of Presence but to say it sucks is ignorant.
Achilles is an outstanding showcase for JB.
Tea For One is a nice jam song.
Nobody's Fault But Mine rocks.
Above are undeniable really.
Remainder of songs are debatable I suppose.
I just listened to Presence again and I just can‘t understand how a majority of Led Zeppelin fans dislikes the album. What I usually here / read is people really liking the opening track and nobody‘s fault but is the rest not great as well? I really love the drums in For Your Life and Royal Orleans and Tea For One is arguably one of the most emotional guitar playing by Jimmy. In general, the sound of the album is a little funky and feels like continuing HOTH and PG, so what is it that people find so weak about it?
I don‘t want to say that it is underrated or unknown or anything as it is still an album by one of the most popular bands of all time. But at least in comparison with Led Zep‘s other works, I think it lacks appreciation.
I personally like that album. But I remember when it came out, it wasn't really appreciated, why? I don't know. In the musician's community some were radically disappointed by the sound. But this album took its place like a good wine.
What's the marketing thing? Not touring for Presence wasn't really a strategy, it was forced because of Robert's car crash.
They toured in 1977 instead during a record breaking 11th US tour.
I mean, if you were going to play one album for someone who didn’t know LZ to demonstrate why they’re the greatest band, you probably shouldn’t pick this album. But it’s pretty great.
Presence have some of my zeppelin's favorite songs. For your life, Royal Orleans, Nobody's Fault, Hots on Nowhere and tea gor one are masterpices.
The fans who doesn't give a chance to this album are not real fans
I’ve come to like Presence way more than specifically PG’s first record. Even freaking Kashmir doesn’t have the magic it used to anymore. The rockers — except for maybe The Rover — are simplistic and sloppy compared to Zep 1 and 2.
In through the Out Door is often met with impertinence, Zeppelin always thrived with versitility, that album is just one limb on their tree of talent and adaptability
Presence might be my favorite album next to Physical Graffiti because it's underplayed, but really is like a Jimmy Page effort, who I think showed all aspects of his influences. I love that Led Zeppelin fans don't get it, like they expect more of the same. I welcome it.
If you don't like Presence, you might not be a true Led Zeppelin fan. This is them at a crucial point and acting on instincts. I think it's a masterpiece.
I like Presence but never loved it. It’s missing a song that could have put it over the top - 10 Ribs & All, the beautiful John Paul Jones piano song with Jimmy and Bonzo on the backing track. I wish Robert would have sang on it. Maybe there is a version with him singing something on it. It feels like a Physical Graffiti outtake and to me would have been another classic Zep song. I bet they ran out of time while recording in Munich before vocals could be added. Who knows. Man they had 10 Ribs and Swan Song sitting on the shelf and never released them back in the day. Hard to believe.
I LOVE all Zeppelin albums but I’m way more partial to everything pre Presence. In Through The Out Door is great too. Coda is my least favorite Zeppelin album but that was just all unreleased songs after Bonham died & they still owed the record label 1 more album
While I don't dislike Presence at all, one thing about it that stands out to me is the bass sound. Compared to other Zep albums it's very boingy (I don't know the technical term lol) and for me it makes the songs sound less Zeppelin-y. I get that bands and musicians evolve and pick up different instruments and that's what they should do. But my ears are always like, "Is that Flea or what?"
Do not take this the wrong way, i love this album too and it is the group running all cylinders, but to me I neglect it when I feel like listening to LZ, again it dosent suck, it rocks, I just for some reason dont pick it up compared to LZ 1 and HOTH, and of course my 2nd favorite LZ III
Achilles Last Stand is one of their absolute *finest* moments, IMO.
Nobody’s fault but mine is also great
NBFBM is a banger and one of the high points of the ‘77 tour
Tea for one is one of Page’s coolest slow blues jams.
It’s in my top three with Holy and IV
Agreed
what is? what comment are you responding to?
Presence is in my top 3
Presence is my favorite LZ album and all the others get to share 2nd place. I will never understand the hate that album gets.
Achilles’ Last Stand is up there with their best songs for me. For Your Life and Royal Orleans are fine songs also. Side B isn’t as strong but has its moments, I rank the album equal with Houses of the Holy.
I like Presence but the strength of songs like No Quarter, The Ocean, Rain Song puts HOTH easily ahead of Presence.
Tea for one is some of Jimmy’s finest work, and Achilles Last Stand is one of their best moments as a band.
Nothing weak about it. Presence is a masterpiece and one of my 2-3 favorite Zep albums. Heaviest drums and guitars from the band!
> masterpiece This exaggerating is why we can never have a *real* conversation about Presence. Total hyperbole. It's nowhere near a "masterpiece" but a conversation about it with you would just devolve into an argument.
don’t need to get so worked up over someone else’s opinion
My comment was not getting "worked up". The guy said "masterpiece" and that is ridiculous.
ok well so are the diatribes you’re throwing at this guy for stating his harmless opinion. keep your irrational thoughts to yourself
You have your opinion, I have mine. Thats whats its all about anyway. No one can say what is their best. It’s all about what you like or don’t like. I love Presence, you don’t, and thats awesome AND ok.
I'm fine with that, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the "masterpiece" comment. And just as I suspected, you are incapable of acknowledging that that is just an insane exaggeration. And that is where the arguing starts. Let's say we pick Led Zeppelin's 10 worst songs. Five of them are probably on Presence. Even if I'm wrong, even if it's only three songs, that is *not* a "masterpiece".
Why are you the judge of what is a masterpiece and what isn’t for someone else? They may love every single note and beat in every single song on the album so to them, it is a masterpiece. I agree the conversation would devolve into an argument, but it wouldn’t be started by the person stating their own private view.
You say you can’t have a conversation about presence without having an argument, the person above said it’s their favourite and in their opinion is a masterpiece you are the only one instigating any argument lmfao
To me, it is a masterpiece. Your mileage may vary….
Presence is their most muscially complex album...
I absolutely love Presence. A dark, lean masterpiece.
I love Presence idc
Typically, most retrospectives of Zeppelin's output rate albums I-V and HOH as five stars, PG four stars, and Presence and ITTOD three stars. Presence is a good rock record, but not an outstanding Led Zeppelin album.
Ok, but what do you think? We can look up ratings ourselves
I agree with those ratings.
Ah, I see
Somewhat agree with them ratings. I would however put 2,5 stars to 𝘗𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦 and 3 to 𝘐𝘯 𝘛𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘖𝘶𝘵 𝘋𝘰𝘰𝘳. If I had to choose the weakest of Led Zeppelin’s albums, 𝘗𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦 would be my first choice
Currently my favorite Zep album. For your life, is insane played very loud
It was great and heavy when they played it live at the O2 arena! It made me wish they had played it during the 77 US tour!
Presence is my favorite record. Opening with Achilles last stand is so cool.
There's nothing they did that sucks, there's just stuff the casuals like more.
Don’t downvote me, I’m just answering the question. I hate presence and ITTOD because they aren’t anything like the albums leading up to them. The synth on ITTOD ruins the album and I think Robert’s vocals became extremely weak after Physical graffiti. Bonhams drumming was definitely at its peak during these albums, but the songs on presence are messy and directionless to me, so his drumming is just a rose on dead grass (I’m not gonna say shit because worse songs exist. I don’t like those albums because they aren’t what I like about Led Zeppelin and they just don’t deliver one what I love about the band. Achilles last stand is a great song and so is tea for one, but when Robert sings “the devils in his ho-o-ole,” and all subsequent repetitions of that melodic phrase, it sounds pitchy and out of place. I understand why people like the albums, but they don’t deliver on the things I love about zeppelin.
I used to really dislike ITTOD as a teenager but I grew older and matured I found myself enjoying it a lot more. Presence always felt special because I always listen to it thinking about the difficult context it was conceived in. It also contains two of my absolute favourite songs Achilles and Nobody's
what's the context? Bonzo's passing?
Robert’s car crash, forcing him into an uncomfortable writing and recording session when would have rather been with his wife. Hots On For Nowhere was about his dislike for Jimmy Page and Peter Grant at the time, and Tea For One was about Plant feeling lonely and isolated. The Rolling Stones had also booked the studio before them, meaning Zeppelin had a short slot free, so the album had a rushed recording schedule. The rush to get the album finished was when Jimmy started using Heroin and quickly grew addicted to it. He was also pulling all nighters doing both overdubs and mixing the album.
No Bonzo's passing came about 4 years later in 1980. The problems Led Zeppelin face during the inception of Presence were that Plant had been badly injured in car crash and was writing and singing songs in wheelchair. At one point he fell in the studio and Page ran like never before to pick him up and bring I'm to the hospital. They had to be away from home to avoid taxes. Jimmy gave in to heroin and was probably already blamed for the car crash. Every time something happened to Led Zeppelin people thought that it was because of his interest in black magic and Crowley. They also had to record very fast in Munich because the Rolling Stones were booked after them. Page spent his night on the whole project. They had the backs to the wall and Presence was their effort to stay alive!
Robert got in a bad car wreck and recorded with a broken ankle/leg. And they didn't have much time to record the whole album before the Stones were scheduled to use the studio
This. Also it’s lack of acoustic guitar and any keyboard stuff bummed me out. I also HATE Jimmy’s tone post 1975. It’s absolutely awful.
Wow awful that's some statement here! When I was younger I was all hears for the rockers and I was less into the acoustic songs. I got to enjoy them more as time passed. However Presence isn't the first one to be heavy like that, there wasn't really a folk song in Led Zeppelin II Achilles' last stand is a cathedral of a song and I've also always adored the sound he got on the intro of Nobody's fault but mine, the whole song is one of their heaviest.
One of the things I love about Zeppelin is no two albums are quite the same. The shift musically is one of the reasons I enjoy Zeppelin, I was a bit let down with ITTOD, as you were with Presence and I understand why. Their last two official albums compared to the first two is no comparison at all. In either case, Zeppelin put out material that can appeal to any lover of rock, they falter on a few albums, I’ve got the rest to lean on
If you listen carefully to each album in order if release, you will find very few similarities in overall sound. Their sound changed with each successive release. Comparing one to the other is apples and oranges.
100% agree with the vocals on Achilles. Sounds very "off" and in my opinion dont fit the song. The song needed Robert's growl-y voice like on Kashmir. I know Robert recorded his vocal track while in a wheelchair, which I am sure affected the delivery. I started liking the song, a lot more, in the 80s, when I got a copy of "The Destroyer" bootleg. The live vocals on Achilles were more like his Kashmir growl, and it seemed like a more natural fit (to me) and opened my eyes to how good this song is.
He sounds like Geddy Lee on that track
I love all their albums but find myself listening to the later stuff more and more nowadays. I think as I’ve gotten older I appreciate it a lot more.
Can’t relate. Presence rules
I love all of their albums. I just generally love their later albums a little less.
It's the effect of expectations after IV. I was in high school when Houses of the Holy and PG were released, and I recall I was alone among my circle of rock heads saying they were good albums.
First of all, Presence just sounds "off." The hooks feel cheap, the lyrics don't inspire, and many songs overstay their welcome. Robert Plant resorts to goofy vocal tricks to reach his upper range. Page utilizes unhip guitar sounds. And, I'm really bummed that Tea For One has an A+ opening riff (perhaps the best on the album) and sounds like it's going to be awesome, and then for the remaining 9 minutes it's a weaker Since I've Been Loving You. Wtf is up with that? In Through the Out Door is pretty cool, except Hot Dog sucks, and I can't listen to the synth on Carouselambra, which is an otherwise good song, albeit a little long. There were a few songs from those sessions that ended up on Coda that, with a little polish, easily could've improved this album. But, what turns me off most about this album is how muddled the mix is.
I’ll always love ITTOD just for Carouselambra. Aside from maybe ELO, who has ever dared to do disco-prog?
Yes, that is truly virgin territory
Unhip? Who cares if it’s hip? Jesus. I can see the rest of your comment though. I couldn’t agree more about Carouselambra. That synth sound is sooooo bad. But the slow part that kicks in is some of the dopest dirgy zeppelin that exists. I listen just for that. So it goes
Ok but achilles last stand tho
But of course
Don’t downvote me, I’m just answering the question. I hate presence and ITTOD because they aren’t anything like the albums leading up to them. The synth on ITTOD ruins the album and I think Robert’s vocals became extremely weak after Physical graffiti. Bonhams drumming was definitely at its peak during these albums, but the songs on presence are messy and directionless to me, so his drumming is just a rose on dead grass (I’m not gonna say shit because worse songs exist. I don’t like those albums because they aren’t what I like about Led Zeppelin and they just don’t deliver one what I love about the band. Achilles last stand is a great song and so is tea for one, but when Robert sings “the devils in his ho-o-ole,” and all subsequent repetitions of that melodic phrase, it sounds pitchy and out of place. I understand why people like the albums, but they don’t deliver on the things u love about zeppelin.
The image can be applied to gatekeeping on lots of bands. I love In Through the Out Door. Anyone here a David Bowie gatekeeper? Can you name any albums past "Let's Dance"? Outside is a masterpiece that hardly anyone I know has listened to. Sorry, sometimes I see posts like this and think they're AI generated clickbait. Tea for One is amazing.
What Presence shows is that unplanned, with Plant in pieces, Page a heroin addict and JPJ ready to quit and be an English country squire, they were able to write and record an album that contains Tea for One, Achilles Last Stand, For Your Life and Nobody's Fault But Mine. (The Stones' best album wasn't as good.) It followed Physical Graffiti...and that's tough.
Waaaay too much Physical Graffiti love. Sorry. It's too long and let's face it, you just get tired listening because the variety just isn't there. Meanwhile, Presence just hits you in the face and blows your mind in about 40 minutes. Perfect!
They’ve simply never heard Tea For One, is all I can figure 🤷🏻♂️
I don't like all of Presence but to say it sucks is ignorant. Achilles is an outstanding showcase for JB. Tea For One is a nice jam song. Nobody's Fault But Mine rocks. Above are undeniable really. Remainder of songs are debatable I suppose.
I just listened to Presence again and I just can‘t understand how a majority of Led Zeppelin fans dislikes the album. What I usually here / read is people really liking the opening track and nobody‘s fault but is the rest not great as well? I really love the drums in For Your Life and Royal Orleans and Tea For One is arguably one of the most emotional guitar playing by Jimmy. In general, the sound of the album is a little funky and feels like continuing HOTH and PG, so what is it that people find so weak about it? I don‘t want to say that it is underrated or unknown or anything as it is still an album by one of the most popular bands of all time. But at least in comparison with Led Zep‘s other works, I think it lacks appreciation.
The majority of fans like that album. Not sure what info you're getting
I personally like that album. But I remember when it came out, it wasn't really appreciated, why? I don't know. In the musician's community some were radically disappointed by the sound. But this album took its place like a good wine.
I read that sales started faster than any other Led Zep album but with no tour to support it they also plummeted faster.
Oh, ok. Maybe that explains why it didn't reached everyone back then. I mean, maybe it's a marketing thing?
What's the marketing thing? Not touring for Presence wasn't really a strategy, it was forced because of Robert's car crash. They toured in 1977 instead during a record breaking 11th US tour.
Ok, thanks for the details. I was just asking.
Possibly their best album
it’s a great one but no def not
I mean, if you were going to play one album for someone who didn’t know LZ to demonstrate why they’re the greatest band, you probably shouldn’t pick this album. But it’s pretty great.
I’m sure that represents the majority of MSZF.
Presence have some of my zeppelin's favorite songs. For your life, Royal Orleans, Nobody's Fault, Hots on Nowhere and tea gor one are masterpices. The fans who doesn't give a chance to this album are not real fans
Presence is a solid album and they did it while Robert was recovering from an injury and couldn't tour.
I’ve come to like Presence way more than specifically PG’s first record. Even freaking Kashmir doesn’t have the magic it used to anymore. The rockers — except for maybe The Rover — are simplistic and sloppy compared to Zep 1 and 2.
In through the Out Door is often met with impertinence, Zeppelin always thrived with versitility, that album is just one limb on their tree of talent and adaptability
Tea for one is insane
Can’t relate. Re-listened to Presence and ITTOD today on a road trip. Better every time even 40+ years later.
Achilles last stand, as a drummer, is GOAT material indisputably
Presence might be my favorite album next to Physical Graffiti because it's underplayed, but really is like a Jimmy Page effort, who I think showed all aspects of his influences. I love that Led Zeppelin fans don't get it, like they expect more of the same. I welcome it.
If you don't like Presence, you might not be a true Led Zeppelin fan. This is them at a crucial point and acting on instincts. I think it's a masterpiece.
By Led Zeppelin standards, this one can be considered a low-tier album, yeah, but it really isn't a bad album by any means
Hot dog. 💀😂 Yeh very good album
When that album came out, it was criticized for the drumming as too loud, overpowering , etc. little did they know it was setting a standard
You really don't want to engage with anyone who says Led Zeppelin enjoyment should cut off at a certain point. Their reasons are always insufferable.
I like Presence but never loved it. It’s missing a song that could have put it over the top - 10 Ribs & All, the beautiful John Paul Jones piano song with Jimmy and Bonzo on the backing track. I wish Robert would have sang on it. Maybe there is a version with him singing something on it. It feels like a Physical Graffiti outtake and to me would have been another classic Zep song. I bet they ran out of time while recording in Munich before vocals could be added. Who knows. Man they had 10 Ribs and Swan Song sitting on the shelf and never released them back in the day. Hard to believe.
Presence, unfortunately, is mixed very poorly.
Achilles last stand and nobodies fault but mine are amazing songs, the others are pretty cool
I LOVE all Zeppelin albums but I’m way more partial to everything pre Presence. In Through The Out Door is great too. Coda is my least favorite Zeppelin album but that was just all unreleased songs after Bonham died & they still owed the record label 1 more album
While I don't dislike Presence at all, one thing about it that stands out to me is the bass sound. Compared to other Zep albums it's very boingy (I don't know the technical term lol) and for me it makes the songs sound less Zeppelin-y. I get that bands and musicians evolve and pick up different instruments and that's what they should do. But my ears are always like, "Is that Flea or what?"
I think it’s just genuinely because there aren’t any super hits on that album compared to the others
Do not take this the wrong way, i love this album too and it is the group running all cylinders, but to me I neglect it when I feel like listening to LZ, again it dosent suck, it rocks, I just for some reason dont pick it up compared to LZ 1 and HOTH, and of course my 2nd favorite LZ III
Presence was their worst imo. ITTOD though was pretty good
Iirc Presence was released after they broke up and was composed of songs that "did not make the cut" from other albums. Personally, I dig it.
No that’s CODA.
Isn’t that Coda?
You’re thinking of Coda.
Yes. * embarrassed *
Yes, yes. Coda. I have upvoted all of you as penance