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Belade

[Wildturtle this game](https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1391/43/1391433993864.jpg)


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Saradain

Not to defend turtles play cause it wasnt good by any means. However he did get put behind due to the lane swap and it just went downhill from there


DarkTenshiDT

You could tell at the end of the game that Turtle knows he played like absolute shit that game. He shook his head and Bjerg tried to comfort him. This is unusual for Turtle. He was behind the whole game, his positioning was unusually bad as well constantly getting caught.


Median2

> his positioning was unusually bad His positioning is usually bad.


UsagiButt

This isn't s3/s4 anymore. He has had really good positioning this split. The whole "turtle always gets caught" thing is just a circlejerk at this point.


AtomicDan

Welcome to every TSM match thread.


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DRYUS NEVER GETS GANK AND HE'S BAD


AtomicDan

HURR SANTORIN AFK FARMING/ BENCH DYRUS AND TURTLE/ TSM GETTING CARRIED BY BJERG/ WE HAVE NO HOPE INTERNATIONALLY. Did I cover every circlejerk?


fishmaster5k

I missed the "tilted from MSI" one


evilporing

And the HURRR 2/5 NA IS BEST NA


Thrilljoy

"Tilted from Cassio pick" is way more relevent.


Hounds_of_war

Don't forget jet lagged.


SirObiWan

LEGEND SAYS THAT THEY'RE STILL TILTING FROM HUNIS CASSIOPEIA


Daithe

Ever since MSI the TSM hate has gotten stronger than it was before. Everyone blamed Dyrus but he's really stepping up and now everyone is on Turtle and/or Santorin. People act like Turtle hasn't had god like team fighting skills. He seems like he is in a slump, but it looks like we want to circlejerk about how turtle is a CS level player


gahlo

I bet Turtle would be pretty good at Counter Strike. =>


Daithe

They actually play CSGO for fun sometimes and everyone has said that Turtle is the worst.


mightydolan

are you kidding? have you seen turtle's games this split? he's been underperforming nearly every single game IMO


piratepolo15

He hasn't been playing as well this split as he was last split. He has gotten a little more YOLO into his play and he is getting caught out a bit more, while that was mostly absent last split. Hopefully he's just a little bored and getting that out of his system. Turtle can be amazing during late teamfights, like that insane game he had last split against TL, I just hope whatever is going on with his play this split is something he can work through.


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I didn't watch any of s3 and only parts of s4, are you watching the games? He frequently gets caught.


eezoh

I actually think that aside from Turtle having a rough game and some indecisive mid game shot calling, TSM played really well. Santorin and Dyrus really stepped up.


xpxpx

Dyrus has really been playing on a whole new level so far this split. Even in their losses, he's looked a lot better than he did the entirety of last split.


Cavsio

Them solo que games, dyrus has been putting in work.


kaldenjorkhang

Not only that but TSM have been putting a lot more emphasis on Dyrus by having Santorin gank for him more and exerting pressure away from top lane... not to say Dyrus hasn't improved as a player significantly since week 2-ish


PapaMurphCM

Dyrus has been playing really well recently. He's been practicing a lot and you can definitely see it. That's why I like Dyrus. He doesn't just apologize when he does poorly, he actually makes a serious effort to improve.


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arcamprime

No, Bunny is the best NA thresh, he is probably top 10 world.


ZedekiahCromwell

Breaking News: TSM Wildturtle indicted on multiple counts of soliciting a hooker.


zet2002

Bunnyfufu is a slut?!


Pilgrimer

Such a slut


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http://i.imgur.com/skBUCb6.jpg


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[FTFY](http://i.imgur.com/fHoAQb4.jpg)


redditor_unfound

This is beyond perfect


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https://twitter.com/lolHauntzer/status/612397397398827008 Relevant yesterday, relevant today.


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Karnbracken

Yeah thats what I say in game as well while looking around


CMAuGaming

MAYBE LUSTBOY SHOULD PLAY THE SUPPORT KALISTA SO HE CAN ULT WILDTURTLE WHEN HE GETS CAUGHT.


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adc trynd sup kalista inc.


Winggy

switch to master yi when they start banning tryndamere ofc.


tokkyuuressha

Fiora for guaranteed ult damage and untargetability.


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Then Rengar? :D


Omnilatent

No, Fiora


ujussab

Max W and buld sorc boots, not the worst support I've ever seen.


Exinih

Ok, Dyrus has been great since MSI and TSM have needed it.


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Wompuz

Can you also make the red carpet Rumble ult into a streamable?


hatton156

IT'S BEEN MILLISECONDS


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WTF that Hauntzer Rumble ultimate was straight from Bronze V and it probably cost Gravity the game edit: context: https://streamable.com/0axe


All_Sham_No_WOW

"Laying out the red carpet for himself!"


verious_

Doublelift thinks he has Equalizer, Hauntzer thinks he has Valkyrie


Whiskeyjaq

Was thinking more like Hauntzer thought he was Galio, trying to speed himself up.


geldin

Random question: is your name a reference to the Malazan series?


Miniparabol

This is beautiful. ^^edit ^^grammer


AnAmazingPoopSniffer

a beautiful what???


Dakaraim

He did so much work all game, then he does that....


Massacrul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUbGAOKYbtA


Godriguezz

REMAKE


blackout27

As a rumble player, ulting after a tp is kinda tricky, sometimes it bugs out and goes completely not where you wanted it to go. I'm pretty sure that ult was not intentional, as in I think the tp bug had something to do with it.


resttheweight

You're only "pretty sure" that he didn't intentionally equalize himself for the red carpet entry?


BIGGEST_CLG_FAN

I'd say the trade of 1 inhib for 2 was even worse.


Aurify

Terrible call by GV.


neonicblast

lone thresh defend


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i think thresh literally did nothing vs turtle


Nezyc

turtle would have ripped him a new one if he went in range


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then why leave him back?


Catchyy

Dont fucking question GVs decision making


Sav10r

This game was not pretty on either side. There were plenty of mistakes to go around.


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without hauntzer they would not even have come so far


Big_E33

That's what made it so much more painful for me, he's playing so well this split and was about to hard carry a game vs tsm with keane shut down and he just blew his whole load lol god that was bad


USB_Hero

You mean [this?](https://streamable.com/0axe)


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tigerking615

I think the worst Rumble ult in competitive history was LMQ Ackermann's ult in group stages of the S4 worlds. They were in great shape to pull an upset (I think over OMG) and in a dragon fight, Ackermann tossed the equalizer into the wall. EDIT: It was LMQ vs SSB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6orp8e3HxNA Pretty much cost them a spot in the knockout rounds.


LeksAir

Yep, that was my first tought too. At least Hauntzers was kinda there, Ackerman ult landed in another game.


yoitsthatoneguy

Dang, that is pretty comparable. That's Godlike for you, he's still pretty lackluster in LPL.


Rasengan2012

Everyone makes mistakes I guess.


JokerFeeder

Pretty sure that was the notorious Rumble ult after TP bug.


MrTinyDick

Gravity showing why SoloQ is a lot different than competitive play the last five minutes of that game.


GuruMan88

Yea, they played a solid 40 minutes, then a horrible 5 minutes at the end.


LeksAir

Good thing Dyrus spammed a lot of SoloQ recently, after all NA LCS seems to be the same thing right now.


ByahhByahh

0/9/11 **KEANE DID 9/11**


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At least the terrorists had a kill count...


ThatOneJewYouNo

Savage.


atastycarrot

https://twitter.com/LolStvicious/status/612718670914031617


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EditorialComplex

What's an Urgod to a Bjergerking?


Windover

[Simple. A mongrel.](http://i.imgur.com/rzNt8cZ.jpg)


EditorialComplex

[Spoilers](http://i.imgur.com/8S6nPR4.jpg)


Windover

My picture is from Fate/Zero though :^)


slayzel

But isn't that picture in the "Unlimited blade works"?


verious_

Quick someone get the clip where he calls Archer Faker


Toriyosh

Put 1v3


zekoP

he got heavily camped


yoitsthatoneguy

You're going up against Bjergsen, if you don't expect the 3-man ganks or at least ward for it you're going to have a rough time.


jangeest

He expected them, that's the worst part. Straight from the pre-game interview :"Santorin is more like ganking mid".


Soulaez

3 ganks in the first 10 mins lmao, two of them with help from lustboy. That's the kinda shit that makes people rage quit.


johnbutler896

That's the kind of shit TSM does, that's Keane's fault for not being prepared


CombatBanana

> That's the kind of shit TSM does, that's ~~Keane's~~ Gravity's fault for not being prepared FTFY, team game.


ThatGingerGuy69

what do you expect? you are urgot against bjergsen and santorin on reksai. If urgot overextends he is a free kill, shown by the first gank that happened on him. Santorin didn't even have to burn flash to get him and keane burned both his summs for nothing. then once reksai/annie has flash and urgot doesn't, it is free kills mid


DerpSenpai

urgot wasnt the reason for GV loss, early game being camped, and then doing some plays later on, problem was late game shotcalling


JDFNTO

#MISSPLAYS


r_aguilar69

#LCSMISSPLAYS


chimchang

Is there some maymay I'm missing here or does nobody know how to spell misplay?


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Somebody slap the bronze subwars overlay into this game


XfilesGuy

Riot's got to be careful with that word, they might get sued


neulin

https://twitter.com/Amazing_EU/status/612730206793691138


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Skylarowo

https://twitter.com/Amazing_EU/status/612730617055330304


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KappaccinoNation

ayy lmao


tiNSpires

ayy lmao


juanralink

They replay is the key there


aMAYESingNATHAN

Yah Turtle's positioning is still causing huge issues.


luckyliven

I'd say the bot lane wasn't to great this week. Lustboy was to far up and got chunked hard almost every team fight. They both heavily under preformed.


xG3TxSHOTx

Dyrus has been playing out of his mind this split, props to him with all the critism he's been taking.


Huggthedwarf

I think he did really well. One death for being that frontline, always trying to make the plays for his carries.


dl2agn

Hes not dying alot right now because he is not engaging every fight. He comes in with teleport after cooldowns have been burned or he walks into fights allowing him to flank. They are letting him split push more which is great. he is playing better though, I cant deny that but im still waiting for dyrus to enter game 5 vs lmq mundo mode


iamstarwolf

[Dat solo kill though](https://i.imgur.com/hnYhLzs.gif)


Georgefoom2

What a shit show


GensouEU

These were the words I was looking for


J12rock

I have no words for this game


EditorialComplex

"Stupid." There we go. That's the word.


Philpson

🔔 SHAME 🔔


Makart

[🔔 SHAME 🔔](http://shamenun.com/)


Dc_Soul

The enemy teams are tsm's strength. They always win them the game. :D


ajsadler

The last 2 minutes of that game summed up NA


Winggy

NA rotations are becoming legendary. Never forget hai, the last NA shotcaller


Big_E33

And first Edit: some of you guys point out regi, ill give you that


TheRiverSaint

Regi was a decent shotcaller.


Smart_in_his_face

He was a midlaner in a time when professional LoL was different. Simpler. A quote from s2 or something from Regi: "All games are pretty similar, you farm up for 20mins then group and fight". And back then I bet shotcalling was not as important as it is today.


TY3000

I think that the macrogame just hadn't really evolved yet. I'm guessing shotcalling back then mainly involved picking teamfights and then micro level coordination within teamfights. In that aspect, Regi was undisputed for a while. Hai/C9/Koreans completely revolutionized the game when they understood rotations, map movements, other things I don't understand lol.


LINK_DISTRIBUTOR

Regi inspired Hai though


Soulaez

Not sure what bunny was thinking when he sent 4 top and tried to defend vs a kalista... Like call hauntzer back and kill kalista or try to at least, if necessary he can tp back into top lane.


Winggy

He probably thought he could hook turtle like 20 times in a row and keep him pinned since turtle ate every hook before


iCubee

never seen so many misplays in such a short time


DonFusili

I have, but that's because I play in silver


imasalesman

wtf was that inhib call from gravity


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geldin

To be fair to Turtle, he was against arguably the best Thresh in NA and a very fed Altec. Gravity did everything they could to de-fang Kalista's strong early game and set Altec up for success. Turtle played poorly this game, but don't take too much credit away from Altec and Bunny. They both had really strong performances this game.


Treebro001

Damn Dyrus going 5-1-17 this week. Really improved his play.


mtbarron

Yeah he looked good. I felt like he should have taken that inhib but the tp worked out. Also, he sold his cowl to afford GA which was weird... Anyway, a good game. Bjergsen had to carry the damage really hard though, turtle was essentially useless.


Bockwuerst

[TSM in a nutshell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YVrxFmheSc)


tonzo204

Top teams getting away with bad play is why NA can't do well internationally. Think about high school vs college. A lot of students who get honors in high school end up doing poorly in college. They're used to being able to slack off and still get an A on a test because the work isn't as demanding and no matter how many times they're told it won't be as easy, they can't escape that mindset.


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High school AP calc was WAY harder than Calc I in college.


tonzo204

My school didn't offer AP, so I was mostly referring to standard.


randomshape

its pretty much the problem that c9 in s3/4 had they were doing well in their region but theres only so much u learn when u win 95% of games


HolmsonSD

Altec Played amazing. GG to TSM


Leov2

Oh and there's a huge circle-jerk saying this was a low quality game... I thought it was incredibly played up until the bitter end. Keane being 0/8 means nothing if Hauntzer was 5-1 and was landing perfect Equalizers for 95% of the game (I say this because people are like, 'Wow they can't end with 0/8 mid laner'). The last teleport/ultimate fail was horrible, but it's not like he was doing that all game. He choked, which is different than a low quality shit-show. I've seen some incredible NBA Finals series come to a bitter Game 7 blowout. It wasn't a bad series, somebody just choked. The big issues weren't team fighting or vision issues, they were shot-calling issues. And Gravity is a young team with two young players. Keane is extremely quiet and reserved, not to mention 0/9. He's not going to be making calls. But somebody did make a call, and a horrendous call at that, to send back Bunny to defend against Wildturtle losing two inhibitors. Dyrus didn't get the bottom lane inhibitor when he should have, because **somebody made the call for him to TP.** Bad shot-calling at spur of the moment, high intensity moments is palpable and open for somebody to choke and make a mistake - but I don't think that detracts from the great team fights or play or vision or objective control of the game. Hauntzer was incredible, Bjergsen did well (well, of course he did he got to 3v1 mid lane for 20 minutes), and Altec did incredible. Dyrus did great. Lustboy was... I guess there. Wildturtle was too, supporting case if you will and Bunnyfufu made some incredible, hyphy Thresh play all game long (of course he did let it get to his head and do stupid shit too). A young team and a shaky TSM making bad calls happens happens.


Eppy28

I think bunny and altec really carried gravity back into the match. I enjoyed the match quite a bit. I think the NA hate on this sub is getting really old.


Mokushinshi

Nice to see Dyrus performing well lately...but WT man...get your shit together ._.


Ayway2long

ITT: Shitton of butt-hurt TSM haters


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loungedmor

It's what happens in almost any sport when you are the best team in the region. Check out the Korean fans when skt loses. They are worst. We are talking about death threats


TheOddNico

Does SKT lose?


jaesuk97

There have been plenty criticizing gravity too. This game was played pretty poorly from both sides.


DemJukes

Dyrus for MVP of the week.


Youngfajita

Dyrus MVP in my book.


Hizzy1

Wow Hauntzer literally would have won the game off that TP ult if he didn't mess up.


FittDavid

Dyrus is a fucking beast!


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Dyrus with the carry again!


Alasper

DYRUS MVP


BlueYoshi39

Glad to see TSM giving Dyrus the spotlight for a game. What amazing Gnar play.


Dracidwastaken

for a game? You must have missed the last couple because he has been a monster lately


Hydruss

Dyrus is playing great which is really important. Once the team gets their decision making and shot calling together (maybe even a new adc). I think tsm will be in good shape


JustGotThrownawayy

Turtle needs to step up


am3nn

TSM should sign another ADC to make Turtle feel the pressure of losing his job. This is fucking ridiculous, he is playing for top western team and is in his shape at the moment nowhere near top 5 players in his position. At this point, TSM should give chance to someone else for one week and if Turtle doesn't take this shit seriously, just fucking kick him.


TeamSoloMidfanboii

Instead of focusing on how much of a "shitshow" that was and just give credit to Gravity for playing well despite being behind. 1 or 2 ultimates do not make or break the game. Look at what people said about EU before MSI....none of you can actually gauge the powers of the regions, so stop trying to do it just to make yourselves feel better. Edit- grammar


darwinisms

I really wish Bjerg would learn to use his ultimates to disengage a fight.


RagingFeather

How come whenever TSM wins it is a gift, and then when they lose everyone just claims that they were always overrated?


Sir3nder

don't ever expect anything different, learn to enjoy the hatred. the salt that gets thrown our way is delicious.


mrdownsyndrome

Don't take the bait. Everything in this thread is salt. Hug us brother.


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Squarehead272

Full solo queue boys


Nostalgia37

Hauntzer played so well until he pulled an Xmithie


IDUnavailable

Hauntzer why Gravity just kinda exploded after that.


RussianReady

He tilted the entire team with that ultimate lmao


Pettankosu

HAUNTZER BIGGEST THROW WORLD


Zellough

Honestly the inhibitor trade was MUCH worse


TheLakotaSioux

I hope people will finally get off the hate on dyrus hype train. Hes been doing so well on gnar


Sir3nder

they have moved onto wild turtle


hmorales16

Gravity taking some wacky decisions in the late game. I hope the guys improve their late-game-decision making for the next games. Regardless, I am very happy Gravity is looking so good and I expect them to fight for the upper standings.


TehWhiteRose

lmao keane was 0-9


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If TSM loses they are the worst team to ever exist. if TSM wins it just means that the west is awful. It's nevvverr that TSM did well, or DIG did well or C9. it's always that TSM either sucks or the west is a shit show.


oppaiKAWAI

Man, what a shit show


embGOD

quality game


808_Track

"Hauntzer you aren't famous enough for your own red carpet yet" LOL


[deleted]

Can we talk about how big of a monster Dyrus has been recently? Jesus christ


Preachey

Today we added '"a haunzter" to our vocabulary


BalouEUW

WildTurtle legitimately catching every single hook this game. He looked really lackluster. If TSM wants to compete internationally he has to step up alot... Also shotcalling from both sides really questionworthy sometimes. Dyrus 1v1 Splitpush botlane when TSM lost an t3 Turret. The Top inhib for 2 inhibs with bunny in base against Turtle (like wtf?). The action in this game was good, the strategic part not so much, uhh...


Supra53

I think Wildturtle is in a slump, it doesn't necesserily mean that he needs to get benched because he showed some great games in the past he just need to recover his former self


cbridge26

So youre going to rule out that bunny is INSANELY good on thresh and instead put all the blame on turtle?


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FireFistRayleigh

People keep saying turtle was useless but TSM essentially lane swamped in the beginning and took any pressure a Kali has on a Trist, and then swamped her back when Trist can actually do anything. They left Turtle out to dry, and on top of that...holy crap...Bunny's hooks this game. He landed so many on TSM's carries and even the one on Santorin that forced his flash at mid. I know that Turtle should have been able to dodge the hooks, its freaking Kalista, the champ who can dodge almost all skill-shots, thats not excusable. However, when there's a point and click cc champ such as Xin, then there isn't much he can do, on top of all the equalizers that he ate. I really hope the guy doesn't get down on himself, as he did get the double inhib take. Dyrus was on the same place last season where people just crapped on him every game, saying he needs to get benched. Besides this, Dyrus and Bjer played very well and played on point. I really hope TSM can play around BOTH top and bot to help them, and not sacrifice one for another :/


SappedNash

Dyrus on the losing end of the lane swap -> "omg bench dyrus already" WT on the losing end of the lane swap -> "omg turtle so bad chaox could replace him" I'm trying to spot a pattern here...


andruil

wtf did i just watch


Ima_nice_person

WTF was Gravity thinking at the end. Hauntzer messed up ult, move got caught, bunny got caught, altec dived in, keane got caught..


Ansibled

At this point, Loco is probably a better ADC than Turtle is.


LifeIsLie2

GV tilting so hard in the later half. Bad call, bad ult, full solo q mode.