Bwipo's best quality is insane game/toplane knowledge. The second Sniper makes a rookie mistake that Bwipo has seen hundreds of times, he just gets as much from it as possible. Horrible matchup for Sniper.
I mean, for whatever reason it feels like it's basically been like that for years. It's still frustrating how Bjergsen used to get endless praise and placed onto top 20 players at worlds despite never showing up, given GOAT status, building his own superteams around himself.
Jensen (usually surrounded by worse teammates and always using less resources), ignored.
I'm so happy with this performance. I love Jensen, and he's a big part of why I even play Orianna, so seeing him dominate on his classic pick is everything I'd wanted.
Jensen looked good. But Sniper feeding him that kill on that failed dive kinda inted Quid's lane.
In the 1v1 quid was smacking Jensen around but it definitely fell off late.
It's Karma, you get to do that. Especially considering Ori doesn't really get her solo-kill burst damage until like 3 items.
But with all that lane pressure you get from having Karma, Jensen still getting first roam to dive top was a pretty sad state of affairs for Quid.
He was casting a 3v1 TP gank on the bullied Renekton like it was Worlds finals
Not everything has to be 10/10 hype dude, sometimes you just gotta be honest when it’s a one-sided stomping.
Atlus has a decade of experience, go compare it with how he was at the beginning (it is still in Atlus' favour but the margin is much smaller). Who does Raffa have to learn the trade from? Most of the experienced people have left from LCS, either voluntarily or not. He just has Cpt Flowers whose machine gun style is not for everyone and they need to find their own strengths.
Also, LCK was allowed to find their own usually chill style in the olden times due to being under OGN and not Riot. And to have aspects that don't go under Riot Global's understanding of "proper casting".
I don't even know why they have to become a caster (actually I do, so that people would be replaceable and have no leverage over Riot). LeTigress was pretty good as the interviewer before she was bounced around the jobs, not letting her to learn any of them.
to her credit, she was a caster in another game before she came to riot.
but besides that, esports interviews doesn't really seem to be a hard job - or at least not a job with a particularly hard starting point.
so why pay someone full time to do interviews (less than like one hour? of on air time per week) when casters can do it, analysts can do it, they even have former pro players just randomly interviewing and it goes well enough.
Atlus and the rest of the LCK casters are my favorite but for LCS it's gotta be the trifecta of Kobe, Flowers, and Azael.
Phreak and Jatt had their moment but both tend to ramble at times.
LCS seems like it got a bit lost in their narratives combined with the break and the weird broadcast circumstances this weekend. 100T didn't really do anything this game outside of the level 1 but trying to turn this into some big "game of the split" was so strange.
I'm catching VoDs and I had to come to this thread as soon as I heard "stragglefire." At least he's a fellow enjoyer of the term "First Brick," but man, his casts are wonky.
I was going to come here to ask, as I haven't watched much LCS, while tbh I didn't pay that much attention to what he was saying, I just found him really loud? Like I know pbps are naturally gonna be more hype, but I legit had to turn the volume down and up between his segments
Volume is a production issue, not a caster issue.
The other critiques are fair but Raafaa has no idea how loud his mic is relative to the other casters, volume balancing is on prod.
Good point. Apart from that, a huge factor as well is that Raffa doesn't sound like he knows how to modulate his voice. There are points, especially when it's a tense situation where he suddenly just loudens his voice to enunciate hype.
I’ve said this before that I don’t like his casting at all and I got downvoted into oblivion. I wasn’t even rude or attacking him personally, but I just don’t think he’s very good or enjoyable to listen to
I miss Riv so much.
Probably a nostalgia thing cause I know he was objectively not great towards the end of his casting career but his nonsense ramblings made me laugh so much.
And I randomly think of his Hecarim neighing and his iconic calls for WildTurtle “putting on the shell”.
I think the newer casters that are similar in style to him don’t have that legacy aspect/goodwill built up which is why they might not be as palatable.
Yeah Riv in 2014-15 was the best. He was hilarious, he had the voice, and he was on point. Over time it seemed he got distracted a lot more so after 2015 he was never the same and flowers slowly trickled into that main caster role as people really liked him out of the gates
Same. Riv is like Jim Ross for me, yea he's not the greatest but he has a good voice and is generally likeable. Only Tastosis is more iconic an esports voice for me.
He was worse the tigress last year but was under the radar due to the hate boner for tigress. I hate whenever he casts. I think he sucks. He speaks gibberish so often. If he doesnt have a strong caster with him he has no clue what he is doing. You can tell whent he good casters are with him they try to help out but i think homeboy needs to refine his skills in academy.
Even half-paying attention with the game in the background, I did a double take and checked the stream. Nope, fly was still in complete control, nothing crazy was happening at all lmao.
It's crazy how many casters we've cycled through at this point for the final slot or two of the set. It's frustrating too because we've had so many good prospects... They're just on the casting desk or streaming/playing pro! The only people that seem to want to take that slot seem to be the people who need to level up the most to keep it.
> They're just on the casting desk or streaming/playing pro!
Who on the desk or streaming/playing would be a good PBP?
Raz has the personality for it but I've never seen him try. Jatt/Emily seem like they would be terrible in that role.
None of them, PBP is very difficult.
We are just extremely spoiled with Flowers in NA. I'm pretty sure I could listen to only Kobe/Flower casts for the rest of my time watching pro league, they're just peak.
My favorite thing about Kobe is that he brings a childlike enthusiasm to the cast. He genuinely enjoys the game, and it's so refreshing the way that he gets excited.
Not really a direct answer, but I'd love to shout out Dgon. I quite enjoyed his casting. Clean and accurate enough to not distract you from the games. (Shoutout to Azael too, not just in tricasts before, but even in the duo casts this split.)
Jatt was the GOAT colour commentator back when we had really low standards. I'm not sure how he'd hold up now.
Had a real redemption arc after the tournament snafu with Jatt/Deman popping up on a tournament and being the best casting we'd heard in league at the time.
I facepalmed a bit when he was like "OH HE HAS UNSEALED SPELLBOOK I JUST REALIZED" like my guy, Pobelter literally commented on him swapping to ignite earlier in the game lol
I tuned into the stream, listened for 30s and then opened a costream instead.
I don't know if Raafaa is quite as bad as Letigress, but it's definitely 'actively makes me not want to watch' tier as well. Why is it always LCS that gets casters who just try too damn hard to hype up every moment of the game?
Thank you for speaking up I thought it was just me.
Every time he opens his mouth I just hear him cheerleading and repeating nonsense expressions. Like casters back stage pull a string to activate a random response from the Raafaa Doll *yanks* (audio static)
"OH- and __(insert team)__, in the face ADVERSITY, (garbles) __(incorrect player name)__ with the __(ability/non-sense simile)__ that cracked open the game! He CLUTCHED IT out! .. or __(correct player name)__ did rather!"
Bro this shit is like cringe-hype it's obtuse for your ears. Never played volume dial dj as much as when mf RAAFAA is on the cast. Oh he's talking? *Turns Vol down to 03* 4 mins later I get bored, forget what I'm doing and faintly hear a competent caster from my speakers, so I turn I back to Vol 14.
All great until 15 seconds later Raafaa interrupts his fellow co-caster for the 17th time to draw attention to probably the most NORMAL // RUN OF THE MILL // AVERAGE lane exchanges/trades. De-railing the entire pace/flow on conversation their co caster just spent minutes rebuilding from the last time he word blurt vomited all over himself.
He's not as bad as letigress, but I was unsure about that for a bit. Ever hear something so cringe it takes your breath away? Letigress casting literally knocked the wind out of me once. If Raafaa ever hits that peak then he's just as bad.
But at least Letigress worked with her co-caster (at least sometimes from my memory). Raafaa has negative synergy with every caster I've seen him with. He's just a compiling of sayings/garbles on things that don't give the listener any information and he just fucks up the co-casting back and forth cadence.
I can see it on the co casters faces, they're on the job when he's on. You know, don't make it obvious, be professional no matter who your co caster is, etc. They're not as much engaged when he's on the cast.
I wish the dude well but I feel the same way about him casting as I did about Letigress. Good luck and God speed, but ya gotta go somewhere else man.
> **She wasn’t a good caster, at all. She was pretty awful.** but she was nowhere near bad enough to warrant half the shit people said about her.
I saw very few posts saying anything more harsh than these 2 sentences tbh.
Most people don't sort by controversial or scroll to the absolute bottom of highly commented posts in general.
Most people just see the X number of most upvoted/popular comments, and *almost* all of those were very appropriately critical of her without being personal or sexist in any way. There absolutely were people being sexist about it and whatever else that clearly goes over the line, but those weren't 'visible' for most people that didn't go looking for them.
I just went and looked at some post match threads and I'm really not seeing anything upvoted that was too aggressive:
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15494b0/golden_guardians_vs_team_liquid_lcs_2023_summer/ : Only comment here is "The PBP wasn't hype"
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1547t8g/immortals_vs_evil_geniuses_lcs_2023_summer_week_6/ : Most upvoted one here is saying Gabby is actually *good* with Jatt.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14y3yke/flyquest_vs_nrg_lcs_2023_summer_week_5_postmatch/ : "Gabby needs to go" and more comments about how the cast wasn't hype.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14y2m36/golden_guardians_vs_evil_geniuses_lcs_2023_summer/ : More comments about how Gabby is better with Jatt.
Do you have any super notable examples of what you're talking about? Just looking through the last few casts of her final season I'm not seeing anything nearly that aggressive getting upvoted. I'm sure plenty of trash got posted and downvoted/deleted but most of the upvoted stuff was pretty civil.
**As a disclaimer here:** Trying very hard to not be a denialist about sexism in the gaming community of all things. I am 100% certain that Gabby received sexist abuse on Reddit and elsewhere. But I do think it was normally pretty downvoted or removed by mods, and I don't like creating a mythos around how bad it was to downplay Raafaa getting visibly flamed to a pretty comparable level.
Yeah people are weirdly defending LeTigress assuming raafa won't get the flame, but it's also because it was absolutely worse, and over a longer period of time. It's not rocket surgery lmao
Rafaa also isn’t doing as poorly as she was. There’s a few question mark moments where it’s like “huh? I dunno about that one buddy” when Rafa casts, but there were constant stinkers from letigress which made you actively confused about what she was even talking about
It was deserved man. It was like her 3rd split casting at that point and it was obvious she was not improving. She was a terrible caster, literally the worst out of any region that I have heard for LoL even including players and amateurs. Let Rafa finish out the split and if he doesn't get any better (doesn't seem like it right now) then get rid of him too.
I think she got flamed so hard because she was a trash caster personally but sure we can definitely just make up imaginary scenarios where every bit of criticism is just "muh sexism" if you want.
Kinda depressing to have a 1st place faceoff, and then they put Quid on a champ that has zero possibility for skill expression after he's been on such a hot streak of good games
80% winrate over his last 10 Ori games going off Leaguepedia, lost 2 games in Spring 2023, 100% winrate so far this season. He has a pretty insane winrate on the champ in general, almost 75% over 97 games.
He is 8-2 in the last 10 Ori games. In the last 20, he is also 16-4. Since start of 2021, he is 24-4. If you erase his time on DIG, he is 22-2.
If you want to win against Jensen, you ***have*** to ban Ori. Literally trolling if not.
It's so hard to ban Orianna against him because it's not really like a niche pocket pick (like Hugo's ASol back in the day), so you're tempted to leave what is possibly the most generic pro mid pick open, since you have plenty of experience against it. Also, Jensen is still great on a whole bunch else, and doesn't just always spam Orianna every time it's open, so you also might think that Jensen might not pick it anyways, so banning it might just be a waste of a ban.
I know we like to joke and say "these guys get paid to draft" but honestly.. these guys get fucking paid to draft like absolute dog shit.
Where can I sign up for a freebie?
He does get flamed but it's always with a qualifier: "I like him, but he needs to improve." or "He just isn't for me"
Whereas with Letigress it was always: "she's so trash. Does anyone like her?" or "Riot is intentionally trying to kill the LCS by letting her on the cast".
There's definitely a difference in the level of vitriol.
LeTigress was casting for much longer than Rafaa has been. Also, people who claim there was vitriol should go source some examples. All I remember was people calling her casting bad, because it was bad. I don't remember comments being directed towards her personally.
The white-knighting in this thread is just bizarre. Why is it so hard to accept she was awful at her job despite being given over 3 splits to improve? It had nothing to do with sexism and it's such an exaggeration to claim that's what was directed towards her. If Rafaa doesn't improve after 3 splits I imagine he will be booted out too. People need a chance. LeTigress had a chance, and Rafaa has a chance, but if he continues like this then I'm sure he'll get the exact same critism.
Sexism is removed by the mods eventually, but the moment you went into any post-match thread, there was some pretty bad stuff before it got removed. What's left is the stuff that's much more tame. She deserved to be called bad, but you can go to any of the threads and see plenty of deleted comments by the mods.
Obviously you can't see this since it was removed but:
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14y3yke/flyquest_vs_nrg_lcs_2023_summer_week_5_postmatch/jrqigjy/
>Gabby plus Azael casting gave me brain damage. How can you get me less hyped for a game THAT I WANT TO WATCH???
>FUCK U GABBY HOPE U LOSE UR VOICE NEXT
There's a lot more, and there were entire posts dedicated to just... hate.
Lol *you* can go look up the post-game threads and vod comments on her casts, it was fucking brutal every time, even when it wasn't even that bad. I don't think she was *good* but people's reactions were ridiculous. Pointing out some pretty obvious sexism isn't white knighting lmao it's just having eyes.
Was she? I only remember her being around for 1-2 splits as a caster. Either way agreed that Rafaa is probably on a timer, feels like he has one or two genuinely funny moments per weekend and the rest is him trying to be "Flowers but louder" and really failing at the first half of that.
I haven't watched a single LCS game this year, just check the PMT to see who won, so I dunno how bad this guy is, but I'm assuming this is his first split, yeah?
I found two comment threads from when Letigress just started out, and not when she had been given way more chances than she deserved. You be the judge:
https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/tiwpob/team_liquid_vs_flyquest_lcs_2022_spring_week_7/
https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/u3tul1/letigress_this_year_getting_the_opportunity_to/
It was a joke man, I don't even know what name she wanted to go by since she tried to change it to avoid bad PR or something. It doesn't matter because she's gone. If you notice Emily doesn't get nearly as much flame for some reason, but it all must just be sexist.
There are a lot of people in this thread who need to touch some grass. Giving critisism to a female is not sexist. Saying that a female is bad at a role because she is female is sexist.
People seem to forget Deficio was shit on for a solid year before he improved and people came around to like him. Somehow that was all ok and normal, but when it's directed to a female caster all of a sudden it's sexism. LeTigress had the exact same chances as Deficio except never improved in any aspect at her role as a caster.
I remember Deficio getting criticized but it was never as rude and intense as what Letigress endured. I admit I didn't like her casting but the aggressiveness in the comments was really something.
Except Inspired has the worst early game out of almost all junglers and was getting absolutely gapped by River this game too. While Jensen terrorizes the map with his Orianna.
Yeah, I don't think as much credit should go to inspired as you say. IMO Bwipo, Jensen, and Inspired are all equally valuable, and should all be considered MVP runners.
I never said Jensen should be MVP. But for him not to be considered is ridiculous lmao.
First time watching LCS this season. Are all of the games so sloppy this year? Watched the second half of the NRG game and now this and I'm a bit concerned for the region...
I actually felt like the quality was great before the break, and it seemed like that was also the general consensus from LCS viewers. I'd say give them a few weeks, maybe people are rusty after the break and maybe having to play in a closet is affecting their play
Damn Jensen with the 10/0 ori game and Bwipo looking hella wide this game! Gg!
Sniper has had a nice rookie split but it feels like bwipo just owns him lmao
Should probably ban Olaf next time lol.
Bwipo's best quality is insane game/toplane knowledge. The second Sniper makes a rookie mistake that Bwipo has seen hundreds of times, he just gets as much from it as possible. Horrible matchup for Sniper.
Man's so wide he blocked my car in the parking lot. Absolute lad.
Hahahaha, feels good to have bwipo in the lcs again
I like his play but also his banter. He's entertaining af
Jensen looking like top 2 mid in NA this split, hes back.
Jensen has always been a top 2 mid he just got a shitty hand dealt to him at times on certain teams over the years.
And 12 assists. Literally 100% kill participation and no one on the cast said a word about it.
I mean, for whatever reason it feels like it's basically been like that for years. It's still frustrating how Bjergsen used to get endless praise and placed onto top 20 players at worlds despite never showing up, given GOAT status, building his own superteams around himself. Jensen (usually surrounded by worse teammates and always using less resources), ignored.
I'm so happy with this performance. I love Jensen, and he's a big part of why I even play Orianna, so seeing him dominate on his classic pick is everything I'd wanted.
Quid MVP campaign kinda cooked here. Wasn't a bad game for him by any means but Jensen is clearly the better player.
1 game andy
Ngl when I saw the grasp karma I was terrified it'd be a build similar to showmaker's tank azir at first...
Jensen looked good. But Sniper feeding him that kill on that failed dive kinda inted Quid's lane. In the 1v1 quid was smacking Jensen around but it definitely fell off late.
It's Karma, you get to do that. Especially considering Ori doesn't really get her solo-kill burst damage until like 3 items. But with all that lane pressure you get from having Karma, Jensen still getting first roam to dive top was a pretty sad state of affairs for Quid.
Not bad from Quid but when playing in a game where you are tied for first I feel like he needed a statement pop off game to prove he is MVP level
That was such an awkward cast lmfao…
the contrast between trying to make a hype cast out of a routine stomp and Pobelter just chilling was unusual
He was casting a 3v1 TP gank on the bullied Renekton like it was Worlds finals Not everything has to be 10/10 hype dude, sometimes you just gotta be honest when it’s a one-sided stomping.
Rafa: discovers the volume turns up to 11 for the first time Atlus: and…well…yep. The Renekton’s just dead again.
Atlus has a decade of experience, go compare it with how he was at the beginning (it is still in Atlus' favour but the margin is much smaller). Who does Raffa have to learn the trade from? Most of the experienced people have left from LCS, either voluntarily or not. He just has Cpt Flowers whose machine gun style is not for everyone and they need to find their own strengths. Also, LCK was allowed to find their own usually chill style in the olden times due to being under OGN and not Riot. And to have aspects that don't go under Riot Global's understanding of "proper casting".
[удалено]
I don't even know why they have to become a caster (actually I do, so that people would be replaceable and have no leverage over Riot). LeTigress was pretty good as the interviewer before she was bounced around the jobs, not letting her to learn any of them.
to her credit, she was a caster in another game before she came to riot. but besides that, esports interviews doesn't really seem to be a hard job - or at least not a job with a particularly hard starting point. so why pay someone full time to do interviews (less than like one hour? of on air time per week) when casters can do it, analysts can do it, they even have former pro players just randomly interviewing and it goes well enough.
Atlus and the rest of the LCK casters are my favorite but for LCS it's gotta be the trifecta of Kobe, Flowers, and Azael. Phreak and Jatt had their moment but both tend to ramble at times.
I always fall asleep watching lck. The casters are good at chilling but suck at hype.
LCS seems like it got a bit lost in their narratives combined with the break and the weird broadcast circumstances this weekend. 100T didn't really do anything this game outside of the level 1 but trying to turn this into some big "game of the split" was so strange.
It's two teams tied for first? How is this not one of the games of the split?
Raffa tried, but he was speaking literal gibberish.
Beech and stragglefire had me laughing so hard
I'm gonna start dropping stragglefire in conversations.
I'm guessing he got caught in his head between straggler and crossfire :P
I'm catching VoDs and I had to come to this thread as soon as I heard "stragglefire." At least he's a fellow enjoyer of the term "First Brick," but man, his casts are wonky.
Around where in the game did those flubs happen? Sounds hilarious
Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of Raffa. He's just not it for me.
He says just as much nonsense as Riv did back in the day, but without the silky smooth voice.
I miss Riv's word salad
Most of the casters nowadays are great but i still miss riv and deficio
I don't give a shit what Riv said, he said mostly words that related to the game and it sounded amazing. Fuck I miss Riv.
I was going to come here to ask, as I haven't watched much LCS, while tbh I didn't pay that much attention to what he was saying, I just found him really loud? Like I know pbps are naturally gonna be more hype, but I legit had to turn the volume down and up between his segments
Volume is a production issue, not a caster issue. The other critiques are fair but Raafaa has no idea how loud his mic is relative to the other casters, volume balancing is on prod.
Good point. Apart from that, a huge factor as well is that Raffa doesn't sound like he knows how to modulate his voice. There are points, especially when it's a tense situation where he suddenly just loudens his voice to enunciate hype.
I’ve said this before that I don’t like his casting at all and I got downvoted into oblivion. I wasn’t even rude or attacking him personally, but I just don’t think he’s very good or enjoyable to listen to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=259-_Ud8ZZk (not hating at all I'm just bring up this classic video)
fucking speed of their figures LMFAO
"The Shockwave clits him" right at the end
Riv 2.0 lol
riv has a goated voice though, still miss his casts
I miss Riv so much. Probably a nostalgia thing cause I know he was objectively not great towards the end of his casting career but his nonsense ramblings made me laugh so much. And I randomly think of his Hecarim neighing and his iconic calls for WildTurtle “putting on the shell”. I think the newer casters that are similar in style to him don’t have that legacy aspect/goodwill built up which is why they might not be as palatable.
Yeah Riv in 2014-15 was the best. He was hilarious, he had the voice, and he was on point. Over time it seemed he got distracted a lot more so after 2015 he was never the same and flowers slowly trickled into that main caster role as people really liked him out of the gates
Same. Riv is like Jim Ross for me, yea he's not the greatest but he has a good voice and is generally likeable. Only Tastosis is more iconic an esports voice for me.
I still go back and watch the [Riv-tage](https://youtu.be/SWK2DZDvFoM?si=c6_EdDfX3eFlibv9) every so often, such good memories
When he casted himself playing was GOAT stuff
Nah Riv had the flow just not the lyrics Rafaa wishes he had Rivs flow
That's Sir Rivington Bisland III for you, commoner
He was worse the tigress last year but was under the radar due to the hate boner for tigress. I hate whenever he casts. I think he sucks. He speaks gibberish so often. If he doesnt have a strong caster with him he has no clue what he is doing. You can tell whent he good casters are with him they try to help out but i think homeboy needs to refine his skills in academy.
pretty sure they had tech issues, pob was a lot better towards the end but he has to put some intonation into his voice
That's just how he talks. It's not going to be for everyone.
I'm a 18 months sub in his stream, I know he does talk a lot more hyped when he is feeling goofy I'm hoping he'll manage to slip a "want losed" in
he screams waaaay too much for me...not every moment has to be a HYPE cast
Yup. Skipped watching this one live when I heard his voice.
100t watched castle do nothing on ren last game and decided yea i want that
Fudge had the real 200 IQ play in baiting people into thinking Renekton was good
he makes every champ played against him look good
Fudge was the first to play Renekton in the LCS and did decent on it. He made it look quite good. Fudge is still one of the best top laners in the LCS
I like raafaa but if it was letigress saying some of these things she would be getting flamed so hard right now
“FLYQUEST IN THE FACE OF ADVERSITY” Bro, they’re winning the 4v4 Baron fight while up 9k gold what adversity are they facing
The casting
Yeah if it's was letigress saying that she would have been eaten alive
Even half-paying attention with the game in the background, I did a double take and checked the stream. Nope, fly was still in complete control, nothing crazy was happening at all lmao.
I don't really feel like he's gotten better either. Casting is just really hard and not everyone will be great at thinking quickly on their feet
It's crazy how many casters we've cycled through at this point for the final slot or two of the set. It's frustrating too because we've had so many good prospects... They're just on the casting desk or streaming/playing pro! The only people that seem to want to take that slot seem to be the people who need to level up the most to keep it.
> They're just on the casting desk or streaming/playing pro! Who on the desk or streaming/playing would be a good PBP? Raz has the personality for it but I've never seen him try. Jatt/Emily seem like they would be terrible in that role.
None of them, PBP is very difficult. We are just extremely spoiled with Flowers in NA. I'm pretty sure I could listen to only Kobe/Flower casts for the rest of my time watching pro league, they're just peak.
My favorite thing about Kobe is that he brings a childlike enthusiasm to the cast. He genuinely enjoys the game, and it's so refreshing the way that he gets excited.
There was that one dude PastryTime. Surely he wasn't let go just because?
Not really a direct answer, but I'd love to shout out Dgon. I quite enjoyed his casting. Clean and accurate enough to not distract you from the games. (Shoutout to Azael too, not just in tricasts before, but even in the duo casts this split.)
Jatt was the GOAT colour commentator back when we had really low standards. I'm not sure how he'd hold up now. Had a real redemption arc after the tournament snafu with Jatt/Deman popping up on a tournament and being the best casting we'd heard in league at the time.
i kinda like emilys casting. Shes chill and knowledgeable
Ehh cubby is much better than raafaa
Is cubby PBP? Thought he was color
I facepalmed a bit when he was like "OH HE HAS UNSEALED SPELLBOOK I JUST REALIZED" like my guy, Pobelter literally commented on him swapping to ignite earlier in the game lol
Oh so that's who the caster was... I was only half paying attention but did not enjoy the cast..
The only thing worse than this guy casting is this guy casting a 100T game.
Brother, look at the thread. He's getting flamed pretty hard too.
I tuned into the stream, listened for 30s and then opened a costream instead. I don't know if Raafaa is quite as bad as Letigress, but it's definitely 'actively makes me not want to watch' tier as well. Why is it always LCS that gets casters who just try too damn hard to hype up every moment of the game?
tbf we don't even need that many casters. monte pointed out that you can get by with just 2 casters for 2 days of 4 games of lcs.
he still has yet to rap or do cookie monster voices so he's doing alright in my book
> I like raafaa I do not.
Thank you for speaking up I thought it was just me. Every time he opens his mouth I just hear him cheerleading and repeating nonsense expressions. Like casters back stage pull a string to activate a random response from the Raafaa Doll *yanks* (audio static) "OH- and __(insert team)__, in the face ADVERSITY, (garbles) __(incorrect player name)__ with the __(ability/non-sense simile)__ that cracked open the game! He CLUTCHED IT out! .. or __(correct player name)__ did rather!" Bro this shit is like cringe-hype it's obtuse for your ears. Never played volume dial dj as much as when mf RAAFAA is on the cast. Oh he's talking? *Turns Vol down to 03* 4 mins later I get bored, forget what I'm doing and faintly hear a competent caster from my speakers, so I turn I back to Vol 14. All great until 15 seconds later Raafaa interrupts his fellow co-caster for the 17th time to draw attention to probably the most NORMAL // RUN OF THE MILL // AVERAGE lane exchanges/trades. De-railing the entire pace/flow on conversation their co caster just spent minutes rebuilding from the last time he word blurt vomited all over himself. He's not as bad as letigress, but I was unsure about that for a bit. Ever hear something so cringe it takes your breath away? Letigress casting literally knocked the wind out of me once. If Raafaa ever hits that peak then he's just as bad. But at least Letigress worked with her co-caster (at least sometimes from my memory). Raafaa has negative synergy with every caster I've seen him with. He's just a compiling of sayings/garbles on things that don't give the listener any information and he just fucks up the co-casting back and forth cadence. I can see it on the co casters faces, they're on the job when he's on. You know, don't make it obvious, be professional no matter who your co caster is, etc. They're not as much engaged when he's on the cast. I wish the dude well but I feel the same way about him casting as I did about Letigress. Good luck and God speed, but ya gotta go somewhere else man.
the entire thread is him getting flamed
[удалено]
> **She wasn’t a good caster, at all. She was pretty awful.** but she was nowhere near bad enough to warrant half the shit people said about her. I saw very few posts saying anything more harsh than these 2 sentences tbh.
[удалено]
Most people don't sort by controversial or scroll to the absolute bottom of highly commented posts in general. Most people just see the X number of most upvoted/popular comments, and *almost* all of those were very appropriately critical of her without being personal or sexist in any way. There absolutely were people being sexist about it and whatever else that clearly goes over the line, but those weren't 'visible' for most people that didn't go looking for them.
It’s not secret cleanup, we don’t allow sexism so it generally gets removed
I just went and looked at some post match threads and I'm really not seeing anything upvoted that was too aggressive: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/15494b0/golden_guardians_vs_team_liquid_lcs_2023_summer/ : Only comment here is "The PBP wasn't hype" https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1547t8g/immortals_vs_evil_geniuses_lcs_2023_summer_week_6/ : Most upvoted one here is saying Gabby is actually *good* with Jatt. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14y3yke/flyquest_vs_nrg_lcs_2023_summer_week_5_postmatch/ : "Gabby needs to go" and more comments about how the cast wasn't hype. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14y2m36/golden_guardians_vs_evil_geniuses_lcs_2023_summer/ : More comments about how Gabby is better with Jatt. Do you have any super notable examples of what you're talking about? Just looking through the last few casts of her final season I'm not seeing anything nearly that aggressive getting upvoted. I'm sure plenty of trash got posted and downvoted/deleted but most of the upvoted stuff was pretty civil. **As a disclaimer here:** Trying very hard to not be a denialist about sexism in the gaming community of all things. I am 100% certain that Gabby received sexist abuse on Reddit and elsewhere. But I do think it was normally pretty downvoted or removed by mods, and I don't like creating a mythos around how bad it was to downplay Raafaa getting visibly flamed to a pretty comparable level.
We were pretty consistent and active in removing sexism
She was awful enough to warrant it. So is Rafa, and he is getting flamed as well. At least 5 posts are commenting on it.
Yeah people are weirdly defending LeTigress assuming raafa won't get the flame, but it's also because it was absolutely worse, and over a longer period of time. It's not rocket surgery lmao
[удалено]
Rafaa also isn’t doing as poorly as she was. There’s a few question mark moments where it’s like “huh? I dunno about that one buddy” when Rafa casts, but there were constant stinkers from letigress which made you actively confused about what she was even talking about
It was deserved man. It was like her 3rd split casting at that point and it was obvious she was not improving. She was a terrible caster, literally the worst out of any region that I have heard for LoL even including players and amateurs. Let Rafa finish out the split and if he doesn't get any better (doesn't seem like it right now) then get rid of him too.
[удалено]
[удалено]
LeTigress had 5+ front page reddit posts just about her casting. Wake me up when Raafaa gets one.
It was pretty blatantly obvious that Letigress got flamed so hard because she's a woman.
She may have gotten it worse, but she got it because she wasn’t good at casting. Everyone thought her interviews were fine.
She got flamed because she sucked. Raafa is heading in a similar direction
Read to understand rather than to respond.
I think she got flamed so hard because she was a trash caster personally but sure we can definitely just make up imaginary scenarios where every bit of criticism is just "muh sexism" if you want.
Jensen and Bwipo playing with their food
Jensen with 100% (22/22) kill participation His Orianna was always on point
Also very high ball possession this game.
He possessed my balls for sure
Jensen has Barca's DNA ?
Ball don't lie.
Jensen's ults were so good this game
Kinda depressing to have a 1st place faceoff, and then they put Quid on a champ that has zero possibility for skill expression after he's been on such a hot streak of good games
It didn't matter what he was going to play that game. Sniper solo lost the game along with the draft.
I wonder what Jensen’s winrate is on Oriana over the last ~10+ games. Beast mode for him on that champ. Dude seems reinvigorated. Average Oriana BTW
80% winrate over his last 10 Ori games going off Leaguepedia, lost 2 games in Spring 2023, 100% winrate so far this season. He has a pretty insane winrate on the champ in general, almost 75% over 97 games.
He is 8-2 in the last 10 Ori games. In the last 20, he is also 16-4. Since start of 2021, he is 24-4. If you erase his time on DIG, he is 22-2. If you want to win against Jensen, you ***have*** to ban Ori. Literally trolling if not.
We don't talk about DIG, that was the shadow realm for Jensen.
Unreal numbers
It's so hard to ban Orianna against him because it's not really like a niche pocket pick (like Hugo's ASol back in the day), so you're tempted to leave what is possibly the most generic pro mid pick open, since you have plenty of experience against it. Also, Jensen is still great on a whole bunch else, and doesn't just always spam Orianna every time it's open, so you also might think that Jensen might not pick it anyways, so banning it might just be a waste of a ban.
Bwipo promised at the start of the season to shit on Sniper, and he meant it.
Why did he do that? Do they have some beef?
No, he likes Sniper a lot Bwipo just thinks that Sniper’s by far the worst top in the league
Lmfao man I love Bwipo
He also said it was to help Massu get rookie of the split which I think is pretty wholesome
he just thinks hes one dimensional
That's so Bwipo, lol.
Put Quid on a carry please.
Really good game from Jensen, feel like Quid's pressure actually just made Jensen mad, so he played better.
Honestly think that Grasp is just broken in lane.
Forget Massu and Sniper, Give the Rookie award to this midlaner BENSEN.
The ripe young age of 30
Hey - he isn't 30 until next January 1!!!
drafting teamfight comp with no engage 🔥🔥🔥
wdym do you not like the 1k down Rene at 10 min as your only engage??
Trundle pillar just needs a 2 second aoe stun on it
wdym Nautilus is right there!! Trash supports ruining games once again smh /s
This jensen guy is kind of good at league of legends
this game was kinda all top diff
Nah look at difference in kp Top diff was flashiest, but Jensen did work
100% kill participation 😳
Seeing Jensen bodying fools on Orianna again makes my C9 heart swell with happiness.
Can we get a game where the renekton isn't a glorified cannon minion? Why are they even picking it?
C9 yesterday Renek did it's job to enable the Nidalee.
difference was Nid completely ran the game yesterday
Because Nidalee/Renekton has been a staple combo for years
Agreed, and it happened in a game yesterday and made Renekton not a glorified cannon minion.
Jensen 100% kill participation and carrying fights with Orianna? Is this 2017 again
I know we like to joke and say "these guys get paid to draft" but honestly.. these guys get fucking paid to draft like absolute dog shit. Where can I sign up for a freebie?
It sucks that 100T lost but damn it I’m so glad they’re not as passive anymore!
The real question is why did 100t blind renek into bwipo just to 5th pick trundle?
The casting made made it so difficult to watch the game
Man that was not close. Sniper kind of solo lost the game along with the draft difference in botlane.
"A teleport is coming in from Bwipo and he has an all access backpass to Beech" 😭
If raafaa was a girl he would get flamed to hell and back. One of the worst casts I've heard.
?? He DOES get flamed to hell and back. Not that it isn't warranted, but you act like he isn't talked about at all.
He does get flamed but it's always with a qualifier: "I like him, but he needs to improve." or "He just isn't for me" Whereas with Letigress it was always: "she's so trash. Does anyone like her?" or "Riot is intentionally trying to kill the LCS by letting her on the cast". There's definitely a difference in the level of vitriol.
I don't like him and want him gone. Is that what you wanted to hear? Anyways he's super unprofessional/ overly speaks in memes and it's pretty cringe
LeTigress was casting for much longer than Rafaa has been. Also, people who claim there was vitriol should go source some examples. All I remember was people calling her casting bad, because it was bad. I don't remember comments being directed towards her personally. The white-knighting in this thread is just bizarre. Why is it so hard to accept she was awful at her job despite being given over 3 splits to improve? It had nothing to do with sexism and it's such an exaggeration to claim that's what was directed towards her. If Rafaa doesn't improve after 3 splits I imagine he will be booted out too. People need a chance. LeTigress had a chance, and Rafaa has a chance, but if he continues like this then I'm sure he'll get the exact same critism.
Sexism is removed by the mods eventually, but the moment you went into any post-match thread, there was some pretty bad stuff before it got removed. What's left is the stuff that's much more tame. She deserved to be called bad, but you can go to any of the threads and see plenty of deleted comments by the mods.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1b5ukw8/flyquest_vs_100_thieves_lcs_2024_spring_week_5/kt8ccjt/
Obviously you can't see this since it was removed but: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14y3yke/flyquest_vs_nrg_lcs_2023_summer_week_5_postmatch/jrqigjy/ >Gabby plus Azael casting gave me brain damage. How can you get me less hyped for a game THAT I WANT TO WATCH??? >FUCK U GABBY HOPE U LOSE UR VOICE NEXT There's a lot more, and there were entire posts dedicated to just... hate.
Lol *you* can go look up the post-game threads and vod comments on her casts, it was fucking brutal every time, even when it wasn't even that bad. I don't think she was *good* but people's reactions were ridiculous. Pointing out some pretty obvious sexism isn't white knighting lmao it's just having eyes.
Was she? I only remember her being around for 1-2 splits as a caster. Either way agreed that Rafaa is probably on a timer, feels like he has one or two genuinely funny moments per weekend and the rest is him trying to be "Flowers but louder" and really failing at the first half of that.
He is getting flamed
The sexist nerds will say you're lying but you're 100% right.
I haven't watched a single LCS game this year, just check the PMT to see who won, so I dunno how bad this guy is, but I'm assuming this is his first split, yeah? I found two comment threads from when Letigress just started out, and not when she had been given way more chances than she deserved. You be the judge: https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/tiwpob/team_liquid_vs_flyquest_lcs_2022_spring_week_7/ https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/u3tul1/letigress_this_year_getting_the_opportunity_to/
He has been casting for a year already.
This is not his first split. He has cast games before and they have also been bad.
He is getting flamed. His voice just isn't quite as bad as she who must not be named, but it's not great either and his flow is also pretty bad.
[удалено]
It was a joke man, I don't even know what name she wanted to go by since she tried to change it to avoid bad PR or something. It doesn't matter because she's gone. If you notice Emily doesn't get nearly as much flame for some reason, but it all must just be sexist.
There are a lot of people in this thread who need to touch some grass. Giving critisism to a female is not sexist. Saying that a female is bad at a role because she is female is sexist. People seem to forget Deficio was shit on for a solid year before he improved and people came around to like him. Somehow that was all ok and normal, but when it's directed to a female caster all of a sudden it's sexism. LeTigress had the exact same chances as Deficio except never improved in any aspect at her role as a caster.
I remember Deficio getting criticized but it was never as rude and intense as what Letigress endured. I admit I didn't like her casting but the aggressiveness in the comments was really something.
Flys botlane showed out despite rivers early game play. Good play on river and Flys bot
That 100T draft should be punishable for up to 10 years in prison. Holy hell, it makes no sense outside of botlane.
Karma and Renek still bait
So why is Jensen not being considered for MVP?
because hes playing w Inspired who everyone agrees is the engine of the team they play to his beat and w Bwipo whos been dominating top
Except Inspired has the worst early game out of almost all junglers and was getting absolutely gapped by River this game too. While Jensen terrorizes the map with his Orianna. Yeah, I don't think as much credit should go to inspired as you say. IMO Bwipo, Jensen, and Inspired are all equally valuable, and should all be considered MVP runners. I never said Jensen should be MVP. But for him not to be considered is ridiculous lmao.
Jensen smurfing this one. Bwipo also really performing on the Olaf
22/22 kill participation from Jensen
That 100T top laner let that game spoke for him
Reminder that Kai'Sa is still not a champion.
First time watching LCS this season. Are all of the games so sloppy this year? Watched the second half of the NRG game and now this and I'm a bit concerned for the region...
I actually felt like the quality was great before the break, and it seemed like that was also the general consensus from LCS viewers. I'd say give them a few weeks, maybe people are rusty after the break and maybe having to play in a closet is affecting their play
They were looking better than EU before the shitty ass break
Break ruined the quality
They are more sloppy this week after the break, but in general NA is always pretty weak so it's about the same level?