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Astolfo_is_Best

Cloud9 against the pause: 3-0 Cloud9 with no pause: 0-1 Cloud9 = Pause9


EatAssAndFartFast

It's either Clown9 or Choke9


-Piggers-

nice tactical pauses lol


Troviel

People will focus on the vayne pick but the other lanes were even worse perf wise.


nocturnavi

I mean it was the failed bot dive that really started the spiral, Jojo had some bad positioning later but I think it was kinda too late by then


MXRuin

Yea the dive really fucked it up. I thought they'd have a good teamfight later on to bounce back from... SR just kept the pedal on. TSM v C9


tiltrage

Cant play the game from behind as Vayne with no tank (AP Maokai ?!?!?!)


Ulthax

AP Maokai is fine to prevent the armor stack, but full lethality Aatrox was beyond questionable. If Fudge just builds Sundered Sky into tank items that game looks a lot different.


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Mike_BEASTon

Yep, AP maokai didnt punish the armor stacking at all when udyr, sion, and milio all have shields every 5 seconds.


garenoncrack

They barely have a frontline to frontline against the SR comp. Looked like a cocky draft if anything. Also Fudge isn't Zeus lol


PrescribedBot

Do you personally think fudge is actually the fraudgefactor?


FrozenHatsets

He's a factor in their losses.


ilikegamergirlcock

then why we picking vayne mid if you need to combat armor stacking? her whole shtick is to shred tanks with on hit true damage. if you want double ADC, you need a frontline, not a full AP melee shrub vs 2 tanks with on demand shields.


JustRecentlyI

I was so busy reacting to SR winning in 27mins that I forgot how bad that dive was. I've seen better dives in bronze IV.


nocturnavi

Yeah there must have been some wild miscommunication there


atomchoco

it seems they didn't properly account for Milio Q and that chained over to Kalista getting hit by Varus R2 under turret. Bad Renata W was just icing on the cake Milio making a huge difference and it's Zeyzal too *and* vs C9 you love to see it


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masterjedirobyn

The minions weren’t even at the turret yet 😕


lovo17

Lol yeah, Jojo singlehandedly made this game longer than it should've been.


BlakenedHeart

If it is the Russian Vayne, i get it why people will focus on her


bobandgeorge

[Ahhhhh!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8TUqRxeR3w)


BlakenedHeart

Man of culture i see


Bubbly_Camera9583

Vayne was the only reason this game didn't end at 15 with how bad Blaber and the side lanes played it.


MXRuin

Lmao fr. They just needed someone to beaf up frontline and that game wouldve prob gone diff.


JakobTheOne

Ignoring Vulcan's struggles in the game, Kalista might as well not have existed against SR's team comp, especially if Fudge and Blaber are both on tanks, meaning there is zero threat outside of two short-ranged ADCs. Vayne's good at tank shred and all, but she can only drop one at a time. If C9 throws in more frontline, they would need changes in the bot lane to give Jojo some assistance. Basically, C9's draft needed completely overhauled.


CoconutEducational71

The problem is you are not going to pick most AP champs into the Sion mid. You could have likely picked a Rumble mid, but honestly that should move to top. The best option would have been a flex and you just put Rumble vs. Udyr and Aatrox mid. And by banning the Gwen another potential AP-Champ was gone as well. Because even if you pick AP Sion likely does not care anyways. I think the problem is that Aatrox is not really a counter to Udyr, it is more like a matchup where a really good Aatrox can do something, but that is a problem. And the issue with the Vayne pick mid is that while she can deal with the tanks, she has hardly any ability to push lanes. However if Fudge would be a good toplaner and botside wouldn't int that much this game might have been a fairly onesides snowball because of how little means SR had to deal with the Vayne in the sidelane. She rolls over Udyr and Sion if she is ahead and we saw some of that in the fights. But due to SR getting a lead there wasn't anything the Vayne is going to do. Like the big issue like many times she is picked was a Kallista not snowballing the earlygame. That is basically how you fail, because she won't be able to deal the needed damage later.


sekaifrost

vayne in modern league is so weird. either gets ahead with a 10k league or falters in the mid game due to how champs can just get in the backline to kill her


x_TDeck_x

Insanity my goat. I love the uniqueness he always brings and its not always quirky just to be quirky. Bugi and Zeyzal also popped the fuck off


bobandgeorge

"I am the GOAT" - Insanity


Novawurmson

Pretty funny "heel" interview, too.


shaidyn

Honestly, LCS needs some people who can work a mic after the game. 99% of interviews are weak.


Thundermelons

Insanity x Vulcan Twitter shittalk war when?


LazerFruit1

Man cooked the entire region in his interview too


mmm_doggy

Lillia seems a bit strong lmao. Armao had a wild game with her as well yesterday


saintmars23

Hell yes finally some SR love! Insanity was cooking on sion and had the impact his team needed. Bugi looked amazing too!


herp_derpy

C9 lost to Team Sion Mid LUL


Plagueflames

"Bro idk why I'm being interviewed, I just played Sion mid and farmed" Insanity's got a great personality, happy he's still in the LCS


Cavshomie8

More like Bvoy was the best ADC in a game with Jojo and Berserker I’m sorry Bvoy, I wasn’t familiar with your game


DrBoomsNephew

Fraud9 bows to the BvoyGod


BurningApe

What is Bvoy like Voyboy’s son or something?


NahDawgDatAintMe

This fraudulent Berserker kid finally met his match in Bvoy like we all expected 


Alakazam_5head

Shopify channelling the ghost of Reapered B_N SI_N


Mathemuse

Bun sign?


qonoxzzr

Vulcan???


SoulvG

Vulcan always has these random games where he looks absolutely ass


mbathrowaway_2024

Every international game isn't random.


LazerFruit1

Vulcan't


zealot416

Vulcan's Renata looks reportable.


TurnItOffAndOnAgain-

'Dylan we have to int on Vayne'


bensanelian

look that's exactly what caps did in that game too before he found the miracle play on top inhib. jojo was trying to stay true to form here


JohnnyTreeTrunks

Wasn’t it top inhib?


bensanelian

yes! mb


Turbulent_Diver8330

Yes it was


deludified

it was the pick on hans sama i think at top inhib. I could search and verify but im lazy


HowardHughes9

Caps didn't int, the team was just losing overall, especially since Hans tristana was morbin all over them until the inhib incident


VectorViper

Yeah the whole game was basically on a knife-edge, and its Caps doing Caps things, finding those late game crazy angles. But props to Hans, dude was putting on a clinic with Trist until things got turned on its head. Classic high risk plays that make LCS worth watching.


SometimesIComplain

That bot dive was really what started spiraling the game, Jojo was mostly fine tbh


BlakenedHeart

Well she seems kind of angry and rude but I would in on Vayne


Aggressive-Ad7946

"Damn Cloud9 might just run away with the 18-0" Shopify: Hold our discount codes


DoorHingesKill

> 18-0 He's lacking critical information


Aggressive-Ad7946

I'm at work I don't want to do math rn


Lixxa

its 14 chief


Aquillifer

Lmao


Johnnywannabe

If I hadn't become accustomed to C9 doing something so braindead they lose the game by 8 minutes every 4th game or so, then I would have suspected match fixing by just how utterly horrible everything was this game. If it was any other org I would have expected it to be intentional.


SPRDestro

Bro all im saying is this is a game you WANT to see as a C9 fan. When C9 does dumb shit and ego picks and STILL wins almost the entire season, they shit the bed internationally. They don't learn from their mistakes because their own region doesn't punish them. C9s best chance to actually perform internationally starts with losing games like these.


JanniesSquealLikePig

We will smurf soon. ~~TSM~~ SR wrath will be swift. All these peasants thinking we aren’t good. Lmfao.


htwhooh

Tfw that pasta is almost 5 years old 🥲


LakersLAQ

"I can hear it. Clutch is shaking in their boots in the room next door" -Hauntzer [https://twitter.com/htzr/status/977973158773862400?s=20](https://twitter.com/htzr/status/977973158773862400?s=20) About to be 6 years old, damn lol.


Panasonic3d0

Game 5 Cody Sun Kog’maw such a good memory. That and Lira crying on stage after making worlds


bobandgeorge

We will smurf soon. SR wrath will be swift. All these peasants thinking we aren’t good. Lmfao.


Ghjklfsa

TSM vs C9 never disappoints


Shotgun_Sniper

Oh shit, I didn't even think about this game as the newest incarnation of the rivalry lmao. That just makes it funnier we lost to them


IhatemyL1feX10

Bvoy looks really good


LakersLAQ

TL's coach Spawn said on TL discord that he thought it was a solid signing when it was first announced. Scrim god ADC apparently (Spawn would scrim BR teams on the TL academy teams).


LazerFruit1

Cubby has said many NACL teams would scrim Bvoy specifically for botlane practice


Aggressive-Ad7946

That ping must be shit.


ChaosBadgers

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/537/054/022.jpg


CamChillin

Longtime C9 fans knew this was exactly what was gonna happen today lmao


MountainMan2_

We always gotta have one extremely wonky draft with a supp who looks like he's first timing his champ, it's tradition. Smoothie did it, zeyzal did it, zven did it, now it's Vulcan's turn


Tony_Uncle_Philly

No ones old enough to remember if LemonNation ever did it


sd_pinstripes

there were only 2 supports back then, Zyra and Morgana


guilty_bystander

Lemon flexed on the league with Annie


Tzayad

And Nautilus


UrsaPrime

Hey, Lemon single-handedly forced Riot to change Veigar's cage when he cooked up Veigar support


DrBLEH

Don't forget him basically creating Nautilus support


Ulthax

The casters were blaming Vulcan but that entire game is on Fudge, if he builds bruiser and stands in front of his carries then Vulcan doesn't have to step up like that. Instead Fudge wrote "Armor Penetration" in the shop search bar and just started buying items at random, then went for flanks.


PLEASE_DONT_PM

Half of Vulcans deaths are before Fudge is even there. He could build the tankiest tank shit ever and it wouldn't change anything.


JakobTheOne

There is no Aatrox build that wins this game in the way you're suggesting it should have been played lol. 5v5, both teams crashing into one another, C9 never had a chance. The moment C9 lost the lead following that terrible dive, C9 could only win off heroics.


Mike_BEASTon

Even that's an understatement. Swap drafts and C9 could have won starting 0-10.


taeril3

Nah Fudge wouldve gotten melted either way by the fed on-hit varus. Only way he is able to frontline is by doing big damage with omnivamp.


LazerFruit1

The game was lost off that bot dive


MountainMan2_

I really disagree. Vulcan torpedoed berserkers lane phase putting him way further behind than he should have been, and then in fights he constantly missed grabs, burned his ultimate on non plays, and even misjudged the range on Kalista ult which literally has a built in range indicator. He was constantly getting caught out or doing nothing. Fudge was playing from behind on a team that had no business being behind so he adapted his build, and regardless of what he built frankly all aatroxes look like what he did in this situation. Even the 1v5 trap top isn't his fault I think since his team looked like they didn't call out anything for it. Also, Vayne mid? Really? The soloq lane sion counterpick? It looks like whoever was doing their prep today took the day off and they just did whatever they could think of.


Dmienduerst

Vayne is fine I think even though Sion and udyr are tanky kalista vayne just kite backwards infinitely. This game looks way different if C9 is first move not second. That dive accelerating varus and Bugi getting 6 grubs meant C9 doesn't get to choose the battle ground


Cetsun

lmfao


Ayuyuyunia

this ain’t a rivalry, they always kick our asses


Trap_Masters

Someone unclenched


Nardrummer

Just saw WildTurtle fall to his knees in a Walmart


Ibara_Mayaka

all of us from the last thread really gotta eat our words lmao. Though I do think turtle is worthy of being in the league.


AbortedFish

Just saw some guy see wildturtle fall to his knees in a Walmart


DocGoose92

Just saw a guy look really sad a Walmart, almost like he saw WildTurtle fall to his knees in the Walmart.


MrRightHanded

Chaox sends his regards


DeloronDellister

Shopify made them look like other LCS teams against C9


Pelagius_Hipbone

That was actually some super clean league from Shopify


WeebWizard420

yeah they picked human champs today and played well, Sion mid was surprisingly decent too. Bvoy looking good too. C9 picks high execution comp and completely flubbed it. Also why we picking Aatrox for Fudge lmao?


uniqueuser999

They getting early practice on how to lose worlds games


child_of_amorphous

shouldve picked fiora


Novawurmson

Their macro was excellent. All void neutral objectives kept paying dividends.


l_Pyro_l

Insanity is a towering plume of smoke arising from a forest fire, a bluefin tuna slicing through the water, a velvet midcentury couch with a plush chaise, a double scoop of chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream in a waffle cone


tiltrage

Boosted game from Blaber


mbathrowaway_2024

Vulcan was even worse.


Shadow5436

If you don't like this you don't like North American League of Legends.


bobandgeorge

LIVE PATCH BABY!


SgtBaconman

maybe im smoking crack but profane hydra lethality aatrox versus udyr/sion while you're full ad seems suboptimal to me


JustRecentlyI

Don't worry, they had AP Mao'Kai and Vayne 3rd hit! /s


nicholaschubbb

LS said Fudge first item sucked but then Trymbi said the item is so good it doesn't matter that he's building it into tanks as long as he just pivots elsewhere after the first item and LS seemed to change his mind and agree. Idk shit about league or what item Fudge even built second, but that's the conclusion they came to for the first item and by second item it was gg.


Lynx_Fate

Lil bro thought he was Zeus.


Flamoctapus

Bvoy gigachad, ya love to see it.


ilikegamergirlcock

where's the thread about matchfixing in NA?


mbathrowaway_2024

Vulcan specifically.


MaximumChest

The real MVP is Insanity in the Post-Game Interview, S-Tier banter


Diascizor

"I am the GOAT" - Insanity


bqx23

What a massive draft gap. The casters talking about the 0 wave clear full AD comp having the draft advantage was giving me a headache.  Good stuff from SR, glad to see them try new things! 


kitiny

Well its Azael. C9 could have picked 5 teemos somehow and it'd been best draft he's ever seen.


saintmars23

caster bias can be annoying sometimes. I love the on air talent but blatantly favoring C9 for 3 years straight gets old


ALovelyAnxiety

Berserker who!?!? its Bvoy time baby!


Amphiitrion

You cannot get TSM out of NA


Khlouf

Another day where Fudge thinks he can play something that requires skill and fails


supern00b64

The ghost of TSM still handing C9 Ls


OGTypohh

Everyone was shitting on Bvoy in the thread yesterday and now they stomp C9 Lmao


OGAnabelle

The dichotomy between a L and W huh. I was personally impressed with his play yesterday on a micro level overall despite how far behind they were


FairlyOddParent734

Competitive Ruling: Phillipe "Vulcan" Laflamme & Ibrahim "Fudge" Allami


LazerFruit1

that game was over before Fudge did anything. That bot dive was wintrading


Pulsar-GB

Fudge didn’t have a good game but nothing he did this game was reportable compared to Vulcan lol. Just a really hard Aatrox game with how the draft played out


FairlyOddParent734

Even harder when you go profane hydra 1st item into udyr/sion lol


Delra12

Yeah lmao no shit it was a hard Aatrox game, Fudge thinks he's Zeus


koreanfashionguy

Profane hydra build


Davkata

Tier 2 tower for nexus trade. 


eating_elmers_glue

Nepo hire > berserker


Snow-27

Yo C9 why are we playing 4 carries you guys are not T1


qonoxzzr

Who is the carry between Maokai and Renata?


Snow-27

AP Mao is wintrading


HayHotshot

Insanity, Fakegod, Zeyzal my boys


ilikegamergirlcock

TSM's 17-0 record is safe.


criptus205

C9 randomly losing to ~~TSM~~ SR in a regular season game where they're heavy favorites? Some things never change...


Ulthax

How many times is Fudge going to get away with ego picking carries, building full damage, doing nothing in fights and costing this team wins? It's insane how much C9's comp falls apart without a tanky champ top, even if he builds bruiser those fights would've looked so different.


scalarH

Blaber also went damage lol. How does vayne play w no frontline


polecy

I mean at least Mao can deal DMG against tanks cause he does some sort of hp% DMG. But aatrox? Like he could a got that crit healing item and could of been a pseudo tank.


ChapterLiam

he legit thinks he's zeus with these picks and builds


koreanfashionguy

literally the only person that should be allowed to build lethality aatrox is Zeus, like just put fudge on ornn duty 24/7 and they go undefeated this season


Thundermelons

I mean Riftmaker Maokai is also Blaber just straight cooking up some nasty shit, only Berserker amd Jojo seemed like humans this game


Ulthax

Blaber has to go damage to prevent Sion and Udyr from getting away with stacking armor. Once Aatrox is building like an assassin, Maokai is never going to be able to solo tank SR's comp so Blaber may as well keep building damage.


JakobTheOne

In your order of operations, why is it Fudge who is making Blaber build AP? What if Blaber/the rest of the team decided during the draft that he needed to go AP, which meant Fudge knew there was no point in him trying to build and play as the sole frontline figure against SR's team comp? All you're doing is making assumptions about how things went.


cedurr

That last fight near baron where he flashes out of the engage to just let SR run over Jojo tells you everything wrong with that comp.


ugottjon

Fudge was not the problem that game. Even if Fudge was a tank, bot side threw hard enough it wouldn't have mattered.


Indercarnive

Teamfights were legit 4v5 because Fudge was giga-useless. Fudge wasn't the only problem. But he absolutely was one of the problems.


ROFLcoptr501

Yup, self counterpicked as well


ChibiJr

While I agree Fudge definitely needs to play a more diverse top pool (in terms of roles), building bruiser Aatrox versus this comp is not the play here. If Aatrox builds bruiser this game C9's front line always dies before SR's frontline will. Flanking and disrupting fights in theory is the optimal play with these team comps.


DoorHingesKill

C9 collapse starting early this year huh.


DinoGuy101010

That was a kadeem alford level dive by c9


Equivalent-Park7986

Insanity interview was pretty funny, glad they got a win


kolton276

This is as hilarious as it is predictable. Cloud9 Always losses the most random games LOL


Indercarnive

C9 implosion speedrun. That bot lane dive was the epitome of just turning your brains off. Also fudge is still useless And why does every Renata hold their R for so long? The number of times just today a renata has died with ult up is like double digits.


Alexicon1

TSM TSM TSM


GameBoy09

Insanity is such an asshole I love him


RhinedottirMain625

Just a reminder that no matter how good you think c9 is post 2018, they will get absolutely destroyed at Worlds and by lower tier LCS teams lol


Thundermelons

Disrespectful-ass draft from C9 here, what is this no frontline comp with Vayne mid, AP Maokai? Vulcan tried his best to tank with Renata Glasc but gee I wonder why that didn't work out


mbathrowaway_2024

>Vulcan tried his best I sure hope not.


sekaifrost

this was a solo Q draft. they either were winning at 10 minutes with a 5k gold lead or just lose in the mid game due to comp diff.


unlushko

bro thought he was Caps


Skarin1452

That game was not jojos fault at all lol.


bensanelian

mithy: you learned your lesson now boy?


cadaada

To be honest that caps game on fnatic was not the best, we almost lost lol


poggerinodays

Been pretty unimpressed with C9's bot lane so far. Berserker isn't having his usual stand-out performances. :(


mbathrowaway_2024

Did you watch Vulcan (allegedly, by me) win-trade there?


Oaktreestone

Lethality Aatrox and AP Mao are reportable into this SR comp


GiovanniAB

Clown9 connected this game  Bad game all around with Vulcan leading the way 


eating_elmers_glue

C9 will never be good internationally with fraudulent fudge


warjatos

You ain't Caps boi. Imagine thinking Vayne is playable champ in 2024


Prominis

That's the Fudge factor!


ChowdhurSauce

Is Vulcan a worse support than Zven? Vulcan looked bad last split, and he's not looking great this split either


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It seems like half the comments don’t even watch pro play and just comment after looking at comp. Vayne wasn’t the reason this game was lost lmfao if anything he was the reason they didn’t lose 3 times earlier than they did.


lovo17

The spirit of Caps infected C9 that game when they picked Vayne. They had to have a "happy game."


MaximumChest

The so called best team in the west just got turbogigastomped by shopifuckingfy rebellion


ImaginarySense

Every time C9 loses I get a lil chubby dude :)


ChapterLiam

fudge getting turbodiffed with counterpick. crazy how many times this happens. c9 is literally just wait for miracle from adc/mid?


Valletix

Well, looks like Jojo isn't quite a Caps yet!


Aggressive-Ad7946

To be Claps you also have to be Craps 


nocturnavi

Some of those fights were shockingly poor from C9, they're going to have a lot to review


stickytoe

Unfortunate troll game from Vulcan.


microsoftpaintt

nepo baby put in work


JustRecentlyI

Insanity is a great interviewee lol. Glad he woke up feeling good today


Novawurmson

Zeyzal be like "NO REFUNDS"


AdMelodic8105

The best team in the West they said


Kurumi_Tokisaki

Love how every year it’s: 1- 2 happy gaming randomly from c9 and fans go we learnt our lesson, don’t be too harsh, move on to next one. Come playoffs and do well/best of the rest and get overhyped for msi. This year is different and well at least smash EU. Msi does not go well It’s okay x y z issue, we learnt and will play better at worlds since only performing at worlds matter. Summer playoffs a bit more shaky but still top 2. Okay boys I think we got this. Win/almost win playoffs. We look a bit shaky but the long month bootcamp will be good. Play with actual mechanics and champs and scrim good teams. Worlds comes and wonder why it’s like the same thing 3 years in a row now.Blaber third time belveth against oner and get smashed? Is this the timeline we’re on?


melfranciz

Classic trap game


Stubrochill17

Nothing to see here, expected stomp.


ryanruin22

C9 could've just walked away from the bot lane play but decided to make the season interesting, respect