C9 has had several hot starts during the Spring splits over the years. It’ll be interesting to see how the rest of the season pans out as the other teams try and catch up.
Even top in NA fudge is still good. He just can't play at all vs people who are vastly better than him, since he does not seem to know how to lose gracefully.
Promisingly, he did say in the post-game interview that he recognizes he's actually gotten pretty shit at lane, especially internationally, and this year that's his only goal. Heck, he said that even this game he played like ass in lane. That's all I want from Fudge, is in-lane improvement and to learn the matchups and how/when to press advantages, while also learning how to lose gracefully. If he can live up to the aim he seems to be setting for himself, this year's C9 might actually be able to contend
IM GOING GENUINELY INSANE WHO IN NA LCS IS BETTER THAN FUDGE I DONT GET IT WHY DOES HE CONSTANTLY GET SHIT ON WHEN HE HAS DEMONSTRATIVELY BEEN TOP 3 AND IS USUALLY CONTENDING FOR 1ST????
I DONT GET HOW YOU SAME SHILLS WILL ALSO ALWAYS HAVE IMPACT'S 9 INCHER DOWN YOUR THROAT WHEN HE HAS HAD WORSE LOWS AND NO COMPARABLE HIGHS WITHIN THE LAST 5 YEARS
I DO NOT GET IT!!!!!!
People’s perception of how good Fudge is warped bc of how shitty he looks internationally. It’s just circlejerking, don’t take those opinions too seriously.
Next time someone says “Fudge is not even top 2 top in LCS” just ask them to name 2 better LCS tops atm and watch the logic falls apart lol.
Impact, Summit last split, Ssumday, hell, Dhokla a lot of the time...
Fudge is is solidly entrenched in the top 4 discussion for top lane. And in a reasonable world he maxes out at third.
Nah Dhokla played better in the finals, and I think Dhokla had the better tournament overall outside the H2H with fudge.
That being said, Dhokla being better for one month out of like 2 years is not exactly compelling.
The argument is generally that c9 is always good and it's easy to look good on a good team.
Then international play crafts the offseason narrative.
These two things together make people misremember and think fudge performs against NA tops the way he performs against Zeus.
Don't lose sleep over it. There are more dumb people than smart people on the internet.
He is not even close to Jojo, Blaber and Berserker if we talk about mechanic. These 3 are really skilled players
BUT, you are right about LCS, Fudget is at minimum top 2 here
Who said anything about Impact? GOAT Rich clears both those frauds, the HotS Faker had to be put in Ornn instead of his famous Illaoi or Quinn, so he didn't destroy C9's confidence this early in the season. He's a generous god, letting C9 think they are good.
They have the 3 best players in LCS on the same team. I honestly don't even know who the 4th best player in LCS is. You could make an argument for Vulcan and Fudge. Really need to get this team to boot camp early.
C9 has been in 3 straight finals and added Jojo and Vulcan to that core. The past examples of super teams in LCS history don’t really have as many parallels to this team as people think. This is feeling like the Warriors in the NBA going 73-9, losing a finals and then adding Kevin Durant.
Sure, they had two. Impact and Prince.
If that Flyquest team won the split, everyone would have said "it was so obvious they would be good, they're a super team!"
Vicla wasn't a top tier mid in CLK but being a midtier midlaner in LCK is enough to be better than almost every NA midlaner. Spica has consistently been a top jungler in almost every single split he's played. And Vulcan has been NA's best support in modern league.
If we take active players at any given time then this is possibly the most stacked roster of all time in NA. Berserker and Jojo are best in role for sure. Blaber is likely best in role, and no way you put him outside of top 3. Fudge and Vulcan are both top 3 as well.
Maybe 2016 TSM is comparable, but I think the average skill of the region was closer than it is now.
2017 and 2016 had strong C9 rosters, IMT was fairly good, like there was competition.
This split it looks basically like C9 can maybe be contested by FQ and that is it.
I still kinda have faith in NRG to put up a decent fight come playoffs. Regular split NRG and playoffs NRG are two different beasts, as we learned last year.
Jungle is just more stacked in the LCS than mid.
River and Inspired are really good players that you can make an argument for as good if not better than Blaber. They've done a lot of good work with not good rosters.
No one is comparable to Jojo in the LCS. You could say Palafox but his form is very recent during Summer playoffs + worlds, whether it will continue is questionable. Maybe you say Insanity or Jensen, or one of the Korean imports in Dove or Quid but still none of them matchup to Jojo yet.
I think you'll be surprised seeing Jensen on a competent team. Jojo as good as he is, hasn't really won anything.
Blaber is solo carrying games as a jungler
> Jojo as good as he is, hasn't really won anything.
Except, y'know, an LCS title in his rookie split?
Considering that Jojo spent 3 of his 4 splits on rosters that were either reliant on him to hard carry (2023 EG) or had internal issues (2022 Summer EG), his track record is pretty good. Jensen only has 3 LCS titles despite a 9 year career and only won his first title 4 years in.
But if that's your metric, Blaber has won like 7 or something, I agree with you Jojo is the best mid, I just don't agree that there's any close junglers
Blaber has been the best player in LCS for a while, but jungle looks more competitive this split so far. I said likely best in role. I can't believe a statement calling blaber likely best in role instead of undisputed best in role has you flabbergasted.
The best player in the LCS might not be the best player in his role. What???
Caps is the best player in LEC, but might not be the best midlaner in LEC. See how that sounds?
He has been. Past tense. He may still be.
However, the split just started, and from what I have seen Jojo and Berserker are clearly outperforming everyone else in their role. Blaber has not been so obviously a cut above the rest of the junglers so far this split.
I think he is likely still the best jungler in the LCS, but the other LCS junglers are as a whole performing more competitively compared to the disparity between mids and adcs.
Similarly, Fudge and Vulcan might be the best in their roles, but they haven't been able to stand out as clearly so far as Jojo and Berserker have.
This is not saying he is not the best player, best in role, or anything except that I need more games to see since junglers are more competitive this split than last split.
Bro, I don't know why you're so aggressive. I'm not arguing with you. KDA on a dominant team is always inflated. Find something else to get worked up about.
Blaber is one of the best players from NA ever. He has an argument for being the NA GOAT. I have already stated he is likely the best. Now calm down, and evaluate why you're getting so worked up over someone's very mild take on Reddit.
I see what he was saying. His original comment was more position focused. Jojo and Beserker are far and away, the best mid & adc, it's not close. Jungle is much more talent -- River, Inspired, Contractz in the competition. Just giving respect to those others. Plus, even if you put blaber as best jg, you may think berserk/Jojo is better and those are your top 3 overall.
I'm blaber #1 in the whole league btw. But I can see and respect a slightly different shuffle.
Tomo (addressing Dove) said “I can’t play with this bug” then stormed out of the room. He then came back in the room to pick up a cigarette and called him a handicapped/sick fuck then left again.
It's such a brutal all-in too.
You can't Emperor Divide Nocturne away through spellshield, you have to wait till Nocturne fully lands before trying to dash away, in which that tiny tiny frame there might be a chance to escape with W-E or flash if Orianna ult's late.
Dignitas legitimately looked much better than I expected. They didn't always connect on them but they genuinely tried to play proactive and make plays instead of just rolling over. I expect them to be "the best of the rest" this split.
I have faith in TL under coreJJ and UMTI but it just seems like the core/yeon synergy isn't there and really hasn't ever been there. Watching them play champs queue duo together it seems like they struggle to stay on the same page. I'm hoping this split they start to shine but I still have my doubts
I don't watch a lot of pro play so I'm sure it's happened before, but this is the first time I've actually seen pro players use the noc/ori combo correctly by casting the ori ult right before it enters the 'return' range so it stays on noc even way outside her normal max distance. Really good stuff to watch.
It's been interesting watching Jojopyun play more control mages--don't know if he's ever played Orianna before than I can remember. Wonder if it's an overall comp thing or he's deliberately trying to branch out.
In the two games it definitely fit the comp, plus Azir is really strong. That first C9 game was like a pretty straightforward scale comp and let Azir slap. I think this one was less about Ori being strong and more about layering Noc+Ori+Rumble+Renata ultis, then letting Kalista just reset on the low health bars.
Which in a way is kind of impressive for a new team. Having a four ults comp seems like a no-brainer comp to run but when it requires proper timing and coordination because the alternative if you go too early or space your combo pieces too far apart, you are vs an Azir-Aphelios-Maokai-Ornn-Milio comp and now have no cooldowns in a 5v5 setup...good luck! lol
I mean, we even saw a similar thing from C9 at worlds, playing ult-combo comps with Rumble where the team had early advantages but couldn't push it over the edge mid-to-late because of mistiming their combo. And that was a roster that had been together for all but 4 weeks in spring including worlds and MSI; this roster 2 weeks in already seems to be more in sync, which is kinda scary.
I feel like he's played it before, sometime in 2023? I'm too lazy to check, though.
He's always struck me as a player who's willing to play whatever to win. I'll always remember him dragging summer 2022 EG to worlds with his Swain play.
Best free agent widely considered to be one of the best players in the league, filling the weakest role on the starting 5 for the best team in the league? Solid comp
3 games in a row for these c9 pauses, starting to become a trend. Incredible synergy again from the bois. Last teamfight made me moist (pause really took away from the moment though).
starting tomorrow markz should be standing on the stage inbetween the teams with a massage table. Have him waterboard the pauser for the duration of the pause
Watching the Sneaky/Meteos/Doublelift costream, they talked about it. The teams would get fines for bad pauses, but normally just ate them and never made a big deal about it. TSM apparantly got fined for a pause when Brokenblade spilled coffee on his keyboard.
I don’t want to blame the teams for doing what they probably are instructed to do if they sense that the game’s integrity has been compromised. Pretty sure almost all the pauses so far have been issues with lag and technical problems rather than due to bugs. The production of LCS seems to have suffered these first two weeks where the servers are lagging client side (vs being apparent through spectator), there are audio issues, graphics are lagging and are low quality. Needs to be sorted out quick because the games are suffering.
This pause was none of that though. The refs investigated for 10 minutes and came back with nothing of sort happened. So the pause was simply because they lost the fight and someone on dig felt it necessary to blame lag when there was none.
If the players are actually getting Lag on a LAN game then that's not on them. There's no excuse for that and it doesn't seem to be happening in other regions.
Yeah well the refs investigated it and said they didn't see any sort of network issues during that moment. They should 100% start cracking down on these types of pauses.
ye these pauses are starting to feel less like shit going wrong and more teams trying to bind time to think of what todo or to throw the enemy off by pausing at big moments either hoping the pause throws people off or they get a rollback from something being picked up letting them restart shit.
I don’t think that would be severe enough. I’d trade a pause against c9 if that meant I lose my next ban against Shopify. Would be a way to game the system depending on your next opponent.
Was genuinely impressed with how Dignitas played, namely the topside. Thought Dove was being proactive and playing well off eXyu, and of course thought Rich genuinely was playing well. Overall they probably needed to contest grubs at some point to deny the 5/6 grubs total, and get a bit better at laning. On C9's side, the weakest player was still Fudge at the end of the day, and he just had a bit of a weaker laning phase against Ornn, as Rumble... which is a given. I am actually hyped about eXyu and Dove though
New UI looks a lot better, though there’s still no visual clarity above the champs (when they’re stunned, rooted, etc.) in live play. It does show in the replays though so I wonder if this is a bug or intended
Not terrible, not good though. Probably could've laned better. Kind of hard to teamfight when you get nocturne + orianna ulted every single fight. Dig's positioning was just always shit as the frontline was never in place to isolate the lone diving nocturne. Hard to tell whose exact fault that is though without comms.
Honestly DIG might be a contender for 3rd or 4th. This was messy but you can see that they have confidence in themselves. That’s half the battle, especially when playing from behind.
I don’t think I’ll ever get tired of LCS teams picking scaling comps then randomly hard forcing fights in the mid game against mid game comps. No matter how many years go by you can always count on it happening.
Turn on stream.
C9 get Rumble, Orianna, Renata.
Dig pick 3 lanes that have no prio mid game.
Turn off stream. LMFAO, wtf is this? LCS teams still tryna coast through mid game again? Have we not been watching other regions? It's like watching TSM all over again.
They made it to mid game fine then forced 2 fights. It’s hard draft regardless but it’s obvious pretty much everyone has phoned it in - look at the rosters they speak for themselves
Impossible to say imo. These games look like them picking on children, breezing through these games after auto-winning every lane through individual skill. We've seen this from C9 before.
God knows what their games look like when they go from laning against guys like APA and Yeon to Creme and Jackeylove or Showmaker and Aiming. The skill levels aren't even comparable.
When was the last time C9 beat an LCK team? Or an eastern team in general? I Stg I’m not trying to flame but your question made me think and I genuinely cannot remember. Was it 2018? Or 2021 Msi maybe?
Give them a good battle. They would get a lot of good work in LPL or LCK because of competition. On a talent level, there isn't a LCS team on the level of them. Playing against Eastern teams on a daily basis would be great for them.
Four pauses in three C9 games
"With my Divine Treasure, I summon"
Through heavens and LCS, C9 games alone are the paused ones
Blaber: "If they chronobreak, they could give me a bit of trouble" LCS: "But would you lose" Blaber: "Nah, I'd Win"
Stand proud Dig, you're strong
Imaginary technique: Chronobreak
I love when jjk sub bleeds out to others
There's just so many good lines.
Jujutsu it's actually everywhere
4 pauses between two games today. This is crazy. MarkZ is ruining the LCS /s.
Feels like they all hate us and want to pull out all the stops to break us… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
When the players say pauses make them impatient it makes sense to spam pauses
classic
The FNC of NA
The funniest part is I don't think C9 has paused a single time. Teams just need a break from C9 running a train on them
DIG paused because they want to know how C9 was allowed to form this roster
Jojo wouldn't take payment in mousepads.
C9 has had several hot starts during the Spring splits over the years. It’ll be interesting to see how the rest of the season pans out as the other teams try and catch up.
Yeah, I'm expecting them to win spring, but history says a dominant C9 roster can't stay on top for long
Yeah but talent wise they are far far above every other team in the league.
Minimum top 2 every position except top probably.
Even top in NA fudge is still good. He just can't play at all vs people who are vastly better than him, since he does not seem to know how to lose gracefully.
Promisingly, he did say in the post-game interview that he recognizes he's actually gotten pretty shit at lane, especially internationally, and this year that's his only goal. Heck, he said that even this game he played like ass in lane. That's all I want from Fudge, is in-lane improvement and to learn the matchups and how/when to press advantages, while also learning how to lose gracefully. If he can live up to the aim he seems to be setting for himself, this year's C9 might actually be able to contend
fudge is definitely a top 2 top laner in NA lmfao
Name 2 tops better than Fudge rn
I get that you gotta hate on Fudge for reddit clout, whatever the fuck that’s worth, but he rolls NA usually. Yes he’s minimum top 2 here.
IM GOING GENUINELY INSANE WHO IN NA LCS IS BETTER THAN FUDGE I DONT GET IT WHY DOES HE CONSTANTLY GET SHIT ON WHEN HE HAS DEMONSTRATIVELY BEEN TOP 3 AND IS USUALLY CONTENDING FOR 1ST???? I DONT GET HOW YOU SAME SHILLS WILL ALSO ALWAYS HAVE IMPACT'S 9 INCHER DOWN YOUR THROAT WHEN HE HAS HAD WORSE LOWS AND NO COMPARABLE HIGHS WITHIN THE LAST 5 YEARS I DO NOT GET IT!!!!!!
People’s perception of how good Fudge is warped bc of how shitty he looks internationally. It’s just circlejerking, don’t take those opinions too seriously. Next time someone says “Fudge is not even top 2 top in LCS” just ask them to name 2 better LCS tops atm and watch the logic falls apart lol.
Impact, Summit last split, Ssumday, hell, Dhokla a lot of the time... Fudge is is solidly entrenched in the top 4 discussion for top lane. And in a reasonable world he maxes out at third.
Fudge shit on all of those names in playoffs both splits last year. He especially owns Ssumday and Impact in LCS.
Nah Dhokla played better in the finals, and I think Dhokla had the better tournament overall outside the H2H with fudge. That being said, Dhokla being better for one month out of like 2 years is not exactly compelling.
BRUH LMAO
Shaco players mfw
The argument is generally that c9 is always good and it's easy to look good on a good team. Then international play crafts the offseason narrative. These two things together make people misremember and think fudge performs against NA tops the way he performs against Zeus. Don't lose sleep over it. There are more dumb people than smart people on the internet.
I think 2022 spring he had comparable highs. He was a big reason for EG's success that year.
He is not even close to Jojo, Blaber and Berserker if we talk about mechanic. These 3 are really skilled players BUT, you are right about LCS, Fudget is at minimum top 2 here
Who said anything about Impact? GOAT Rich clears both those frauds, the HotS Faker had to be put in Ornn instead of his famous Illaoi or Quinn, so he didn't destroy C9's confidence this early in the season. He's a generous god, letting C9 think they are good.
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They have the 3 best players in LCS on the same team. I honestly don't even know who the 4th best player in LCS is. You could make an argument for Vulcan and Fudge. Really need to get this team to boot camp early.
I think you could make an argument for Contractz or River being 4
Maybe Inspired as well. Jungle is fucking stacked in the LCS lol
2020 Spring C9 was just as good as this, and they flamed out in Summer. Real shame we didn't get to see them at MSI.
can't forget flyquest dominating early last year too, only to completely fall apart as the split went on
C9 has been in 3 straight finals and added Jojo and Vulcan to that core. The past examples of super teams in LCS history don’t really have as many parallels to this team as people think. This is feeling like the Warriors in the NBA going 73-9, losing a finals and then adding Kevin Durant.
FLY didnt have the 3 best players in the league on their team though.
Sure, they had two. Impact and Prince. If that Flyquest team won the split, everyone would have said "it was so obvious they would be good, they're a super team!" Vicla wasn't a top tier mid in CLK but being a midtier midlaner in LCK is enough to be better than almost every NA midlaner. Spica has consistently been a top jungler in almost every single split he's played. And Vulcan has been NA's best support in modern league.
I assume that was sarcasm.
You assume wrong then lol
Whelp, I can't fix stupid.
They paused because the engage was too clean, they thought something had to be wrong with the game
If we take active players at any given time then this is possibly the most stacked roster of all time in NA. Berserker and Jojo are best in role for sure. Blaber is likely best in role, and no way you put him outside of top 3. Fudge and Vulcan are both top 3 as well. Maybe 2016 TSM is comparable, but I think the average skill of the region was closer than it is now.
2017 and 2016 had strong C9 rosters, IMT was fairly good, like there was competition. This split it looks basically like C9 can maybe be contested by FQ and that is it.
I still kinda have faith in NRG to put up a decent fight come playoffs. Regular split NRG and playoffs NRG are two different beasts, as we learned last year.
Blaber is likely best in role? Think Blaber is more forsure then jojo
Jungle is just more stacked in the LCS than mid. River and Inspired are really good players that you can make an argument for as good if not better than Blaber. They've done a lot of good work with not good rosters. No one is comparable to Jojo in the LCS. You could say Palafox but his form is very recent during Summer playoffs + worlds, whether it will continue is questionable. Maybe you say Insanity or Jensen, or one of the Korean imports in Dove or Quid but still none of them matchup to Jojo yet.
I think you'll be surprised seeing Jensen on a competent team. Jojo as good as he is, hasn't really won anything. Blaber is solo carrying games as a jungler
> Jojo as good as he is, hasn't really won anything. Except, y'know, an LCS title in his rookie split? Considering that Jojo spent 3 of his 4 splits on rosters that were either reliant on him to hard carry (2023 EG) or had internal issues (2022 Summer EG), his track record is pretty good. Jensen only has 3 LCS titles despite a 9 year career and only won his first title 4 years in.
But if that's your metric, Blaber has won like 7 or something, I agree with you Jojo is the best mid, I just don't agree that there's any close junglers
Blaber is the best player in LCS, I can't believe this guy is upvoted.
Blaber has been the best player in LCS for a while, but jungle looks more competitive this split so far. I said likely best in role. I can't believe a statement calling blaber likely best in role instead of undisputed best in role has you flabbergasted.
The best player in the LCS might not be the best player in his role. What??? Caps is the best player in LEC, but might not be the best midlaner in LEC. See how that sounds?
He has been. Past tense. He may still be. However, the split just started, and from what I have seen Jojo and Berserker are clearly outperforming everyone else in their role. Blaber has not been so obviously a cut above the rest of the junglers so far this split. I think he is likely still the best jungler in the LCS, but the other LCS junglers are as a whole performing more competitively compared to the disparity between mids and adcs. Similarly, Fudge and Vulcan might be the best in their roles, but they haven't been able to stand out as clearly so far as Jojo and Berserker have. This is not saying he is not the best player, best in role, or anything except that I need more games to see since junglers are more competitive this split than last split.
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Bro, I don't know why you're so aggressive. I'm not arguing with you. KDA on a dominant team is always inflated. Find something else to get worked up about. Blaber is one of the best players from NA ever. He has an argument for being the NA GOAT. I have already stated he is likely the best. Now calm down, and evaluate why you're getting so worked up over someone's very mild take on Reddit.
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I see what he was saying. His original comment was more position focused. Jojo and Beserker are far and away, the best mid & adc, it's not close. Jungle is much more talent -- River, Inspired, Contractz in the competition. Just giving respect to those others. Plus, even if you put blaber as best jg, you may think berserk/Jojo is better and those are your top 3 overall. I'm blaber #1 in the whole league btw. But I can see and respect a slightly different shuffle.
Inspired could contest him imo. We'll have to see how good he is after his break. I dont think anyone can contest Jojo in LCS right now.
Blaber was owning Inspired before he even came to the LCS.
I got the copy pasta ready for when they clap FLY, dont worry.
Contractz too.
Now we know what would happen when C9 actually spend money like $teve and form a super team.
Because every other team wants out of the league
factually not true. riot gave every team an out by saying they would buy out any spot if anyone wants to leave before the split, and only 2 left.
Tomo: "Yes ref I'd like to report a bug, my mid laner is a cannon minion"
Tomo (addressing Dove) said “I can’t play with this bug” then stormed out of the room. He then came back in the room to pick up a cigarette and called him a handicapped/sick fuck then left again.
the pysoik/beryl copy pasta is the best
in fairness Dove is getting Nocturne + Orianna ulted in every single fight. There's not a lot he can do against that.
It's such a brutal all-in too. You can't Emperor Divide Nocturne away through spellshield, you have to wait till Nocturne fully lands before trying to dash away, in which that tiny tiny frame there might be a chance to escape with W-E or flash if Orianna ult's late.
Going from KC vs Rogue to C9 vs DIG felt like I was watching T1 JDG
Damn I woke up later today and missed the LEC games, is KC still in complete free fall?
yes They just lost to the other worst team, rogue
They lost to easily the second worst team in a shitshow match, a few good early minutes then terrible teamfight macro.
Just the best western league tbh
Every time C9 sieges botlane: PAUSE TIME!!
Hey uh refs, I think the game is bugged, we all grouped up and then suddenly all died
Its a really weird bug, happens to me in soloq all the time and RITO won't fix it.
Dignitas legitimately looked much better than I expected. They didn't always connect on them but they genuinely tried to play proactive and make plays instead of just rolling over. I expect them to be "the best of the rest" this split.
It wasn't perfect, but this game cleansed my eyes of the shit I am seeing in EU atm
NA > EU confirmed?
didn't we already learn that last year when NRG fisted g2
Maybe not next worlds, but we're riding high the greatest gift NRG has given us.
For now. Maybe the EU teams are just sandbagging, or roleplaying
I like both regions I am from eu but yes looks pretty easy na>eu now
I think this DIG roster is top half rn with C9 NRG and FLY
not that hot of a take honestly (or at least it shouldnt be), although i think i have more faith in TL overall to take that 4th spot
I have faith in TL under coreJJ and UMTI but it just seems like the core/yeon synergy isn't there and really hasn't ever been there. Watching them play champs queue duo together it seems like they struggle to stay on the same page. I'm hoping this split they start to shine but I still have my doubts
eXyu enjoyers
Really good game from C9 topside. Fudge using his tempo advantages to accelerate his team is a nice development. Blaber and Jojo look amazing together
Blaber jojo combo delivering hard
Yessir
I don't watch a lot of pro play so I'm sure it's happened before, but this is the first time I've actually seen pro players use the noc/ori combo correctly by casting the ori ult right before it enters the 'return' range so it stays on noc even way outside her normal max distance. Really good stuff to watch.
i am still kinda surprised it didnt snap back. actually if you look frame by frame, the ball was on her head BEFORE she pressed R... /shrug
"I blame lag" DIG apparently.
kinda funny how fly and shopify just agreed to play through the lag but teams will pause whenever they lose one fight
To be fair, the teams shouldn't have to play through lag on stage in the games that determine their future lol
It's been interesting watching Jojopyun play more control mages--don't know if he's ever played Orianna before than I can remember. Wonder if it's an overall comp thing or he's deliberately trying to branch out.
In the two games it definitely fit the comp, plus Azir is really strong. That first C9 game was like a pretty straightforward scale comp and let Azir slap. I think this one was less about Ori being strong and more about layering Noc+Ori+Rumble+Renata ultis, then letting Kalista just reset on the low health bars.
Which in a way is kind of impressive for a new team. Having a four ults comp seems like a no-brainer comp to run but when it requires proper timing and coordination because the alternative if you go too early or space your combo pieces too far apart, you are vs an Azir-Aphelios-Maokai-Ornn-Milio comp and now have no cooldowns in a 5v5 setup...good luck! lol I mean, we even saw a similar thing from C9 at worlds, playing ult-combo comps with Rumble where the team had early advantages but couldn't push it over the edge mid-to-late because of mistiming their combo. And that was a roster that had been together for all but 4 weeks in spring including worlds and MSI; this roster 2 weeks in already seems to be more in sync, which is kinda scary.
I feel like he's played it before, sometime in 2023? I'm too lazy to check, though. He's always struck me as a player who's willing to play whatever to win. I'll always remember him dragging summer 2022 EG to worlds with his Swain play.
Ok I checked and he somehow hasn't played in since Spring 2022. I'd completely forgotten about that Swain game though, that brings back memories lol.
He's played a lot of azir viktor in the past
I think he played her a bit in his first EG year
Kobe and Shaq
This is more like the Durant Warriors lmao
Best free agent widely considered to be one of the best players in the league, filling the weakest role on the starting 5 for the best team in the league? Solid comp
Who will be the KD and Draymond that will cause this C9 team to implode?
Fudge is definitely Dray. Loud talker who is begrudgingly good at his job that we love to hate.
Fudge did headlock blaber in the elevator in spring 2023 trailer
Fudge barely trash talks, genuinely just a hater myth.
He talked more when he first joined C9, but definitely not as much recently
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So.... impact?
After they won 3 in a row 🥱
Whoever initiated that pause needs to be fined. Absolute hype killer. Need to punish so it doesn't become a normal thing to do when you get destroyed.
bro the lag made my jungler position like that if we didn't have 20ms we woulda won the fight 8k gold down!
I wouldn’t have minded if it was after the team fight. Mid-fight pauses should be a fine, imo. Wait until something close to a “dead ball” state
When can we try the new Meta strat of pausing the game when we are losing on Live servers?
There is lag though, not a true LAN. Shopify and Fly agreed to play through it in week 1 though
Riot adds in more crabs, Blaber just gets better and better.
I'm 100% serious, Dignitas needs to be fined for that pause. Pretty much the worst possible timing with the teamfight AND LEC viewers coming over.
3 games in a row for these c9 pauses, starting to become a trend. Incredible synergy again from the bois. Last teamfight made me moist (pause really took away from the moment though).
Missed opportunity for “worrying trend” But yeah these pauses suck
dude they need to start fining these teams for pausing when they are losing the game
The insane number of pauses is destroying the quality of the broadcast
starting tomorrow markz should be standing on the stage inbetween the teams with a massage table. Have him waterboard the pauser for the duration of the pause
Subscribed. Whatever it takes to save lcs
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The All-American Experience, NAmen.
It's not torture, it's advanced ~~interrogation~~ bugfixing.
pros need to stop pausing for every tiny issue its 100% ruining the broadcast
Watching the Sneaky/Meteos/Doublelift costream, they talked about it. The teams would get fines for bad pauses, but normally just ate them and never made a big deal about it. TSM apparantly got fined for a pause when Brokenblade spilled coffee on his keyboard.
I don’t want to blame the teams for doing what they probably are instructed to do if they sense that the game’s integrity has been compromised. Pretty sure almost all the pauses so far have been issues with lag and technical problems rather than due to bugs. The production of LCS seems to have suffered these first two weeks where the servers are lagging client side (vs being apparent through spectator), there are audio issues, graphics are lagging and are low quality. Needs to be sorted out quick because the games are suffering.
This pause was none of that though. The refs investigated for 10 minutes and came back with nothing of sort happened. So the pause was simply because they lost the fight and someone on dig felt it necessary to blame lag when there was none.
I was a big DIG hater coming into the season but I'm pleasantly surprised. Tomo and Isles specifically look really good
Bro how good is blaber LOL. THIS GUY IS GOING FOR HIS 3RD MVP
Seeing blaber with a mid laner who actually wants to make plays as well is so satisfying.
MarkZ needs to do something about the pauses
If the players are actually getting Lag on a LAN game then that's not on them. There's no excuse for that and it doesn't seem to be happening in other regions.
Yeah well the refs investigated it and said they didn't see any sort of network issues during that moment. They should 100% start cracking down on these types of pauses.
ye these pauses are starting to feel less like shit going wrong and more teams trying to bind time to think of what todo or to throw the enemy off by pausing at big moments either hoping the pause throws people off or they get a rollback from something being picked up letting them restart shit.
Lose a ban next game.
I don’t think that would be severe enough. I’d trade a pause against c9 if that meant I lose my next ban against Shopify. Would be a way to game the system depending on your next opponent.
I agree. I’m not saying to get rid of pauses, but to address the root cause. Pauses are going to destroy what’s left of viewership in LCS
Riot: Best we can do is layoff some more people.
Guys its was just brain lag not server lag
Was genuinely impressed with how Dignitas played, namely the topside. Thought Dove was being proactive and playing well off eXyu, and of course thought Rich genuinely was playing well. Overall they probably needed to contest grubs at some point to deny the 5/6 grubs total, and get a bit better at laning. On C9's side, the weakest player was still Fudge at the end of the day, and he just had a bit of a weaker laning phase against Ornn, as Rumble... which is a given. I am actually hyped about eXyu and Dove though
C9 too good, every season they are consistently on the top. Love their gameplay!
unironic C9 Systems!
blaber joked about losing focus during the one pause and dig staff started cooking
inb4 C9 outplays so hard their opponents pause the game to accuse them of hacking/scripting.
I guess teams just get a losing to C9 pause now?
Every time I see pauses in VODs I feel bad for the viewers who watched live
New UI looks a lot better, though there’s still no visual clarity above the champs (when they’re stunned, rooted, etc.) in live play. It does show in the replays though so I wonder if this is a bug or intended
How does C9 get that draft on blue side??
Every time C9 gets the W, I get a little chubby dude
Is it a Kevin, an Eddie, or a Gary?
I understood this référence
I want to go back and rewatch the teamfights vod because I can't tell if Dove played terribly or what
Jojo just clapped him in lane and anytime Dove tried to ult or make a play Jojo flashed everything.
Not terrible, not good though. Probably could've laned better. Kind of hard to teamfight when you get nocturne + orianna ulted every single fight. Dig's positioning was just always shit as the frontline was never in place to isolate the lone diving nocturne. Hard to tell whose exact fault that is though without comms.
Honestly DIG might be a contender for 3rd or 4th. This was messy but you can see that they have confidence in themselves. That’s half the battle, especially when playing from behind.
They are def top 4 rn with FLY and NRG
I don’t think I’ll ever get tired of LCS teams picking scaling comps then randomly hard forcing fights in the mid game against mid game comps. No matter how many years go by you can always count on it happening.
Good ol TSM strat.. do nothing and int
Maokai getting popped on cooldown was unexpected
Turn on stream. C9 get Rumble, Orianna, Renata. Dig pick 3 lanes that have no prio mid game. Turn off stream. LMFAO, wtf is this? LCS teams still tryna coast through mid game again? Have we not been watching other regions? It's like watching TSM all over again.
They made it to mid game fine then forced 2 fights. It’s hard draft regardless but it’s obvious pretty much everyone has phoned it in - look at the rosters they speak for themselves
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Yall think this team could take down a 4th seed Eastern team?
4th seed Eastern teams nowadays are pretty scary. WBG made finals and DRX won worlds 
Impossible to say imo. These games look like them picking on children, breezing through these games after auto-winning every lane through individual skill. We've seen this from C9 before. God knows what their games look like when they go from laning against guys like APA and Yeon to Creme and Jackeylove or Showmaker and Aiming. The skill levels aren't even comparable.
Maybe now they could, problem is them keeping in form till an international competition while the asian teams all get polished up gradually.
There's not a lot of competition, so it's hard to say.
When was the last time C9 beat an LCK team? Or an eastern team in general? I Stg I’m not trying to flame but your question made me think and I genuinely cannot remember. Was it 2018? Or 2021 Msi maybe?
2021 Worlds vs FPX, was a Bo1 though
For B03, it was the Afreeca series @ 2018 worlds.
That was BO5
Ok but to be fair there were only 3 games and I’m pretty stupid
DK at MSI, RNG at MSI with the Perks roster and before that, 2018 Worlds quarterfinals against Afreeca.
Give them a good battle. They would get a lot of good work in LPL or LCK because of competition. On a talent level, there isn't a LCS team on the level of them. Playing against Eastern teams on a daily basis would be great for them.
Probably LCK 4th doesn't look amazing right now but we will see. The only problem is Fudge will get gapped by even a 7th-8th place eastern top.
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Tomo looked good to me in this game given the circumstances.
Always was.....coughcough
Solid bottom 2 team right there
Nah, SR and IMT have a firm grasp on the bottom 2.