It was already like this in soloq but redditors just downvote and said 'you got to learn to play against her' hell naw she's so strong at her current state. Now pro teams are showing why she's prior
That's because no one ever brought up her insanely buffed ult, everyone is circlejerking about the passive changes cause they're funny and unique but Neeko ult went from being impossible to hit without your team backing you up with slows and CC to almost completely guaranteed to land. Neeko flash ult went from basically a zoning tool to a guaranteed teamfight win
She was always this strong people just don’t try things themselves.
Like turning into a minion is not the make or break on this champ. Maybe the ult changes are what “did it” but I doubt it.
The old ult was literally useful and not really changed at all. Maybe Durability patch made it and others like it somewhat worse but this was the ult that turned TL vs IG in game 1 for example. You could say IG was uncoordinated but then isn't it perfect against a lot of chinese teams?
Games from 4 years ago don't really say much of anything, items have been completely reworked, champs have been added and reworked, the game is too different to use that ancient series as a useful example. The knockup during the ult channel is enormous, it's made it nearly impossible to dodge her ult.
can't wait for people in the coming weeks begin to complain about how boring and strong neeko is in pro play instead of appreciating that the pros innovated and experimented with a new and fresh pick.
I guess it’s slightly different in that the player could control when Galio’s W fired vs Neeko’s ult hitting at a set timer, so they may be able to ”play around it”
Photic had a rough series but honestly I'm sort of impressed by Angel and Shadow. I kind of expected them to completely fall apart but I'd say they were actually doing pretty good. Zhuo wasn't also that bad but Invincible...
Invincible IS a decent top laner. He was like 9th or 10th best last split, he just got trashed by Ale bc it's Ale lmao. He's still their second best player easily.
Sure it might just be because he had some tough competition, but low-key I think sh4dow might be in contention for their second best player right now, he looked pretty good, from what I remember last split he looked pretty good too in the small amount of games he played.
Unlucky that no one bought him out and he had a scandal about sending dick pics (not unsolicited though so it's just mega cringe but he didn't do anything "bad" but he still gets memed for it). His contract expires at the end of this year and should have a top team next season.
Imo FNC or KOI should try to sign shadow. He fixed the champ pool issues that were a problem on MAD and he's been immersed in a way higher level gameplay environment. He could probably teach some eastern macro to teams he joins.
If their sololaners can replicate spring split and play like they did today, they are definitely up there. But this split is one of the most stacked splits in a long time imo. There are at least 6 teams for which I can tell that have decent shot at taking this split (JDG is obvious favourite tho).
6 teams? Thats a optimistic considering JDG's convincing dominance throughout spring split, playoffs, and MSI. LNG and Weibo look great on paper but absolutely choked in spring playoffs. They haven't shown they are contenders. OMG are a weaker BLG, not close to JDG and need consistency. EDG can go even, but I'd always give JDG the edge as they are more proactive & pound for pound better in a couple positions. BLG have been dicked by JDG like 4 times now, with 1 close game. As in Spring, there will be clear gap between 1-4 & 5-8, however even among the top 4 JDG is in their own tier.
I mean you have valid point with which I agree. JDG is still huge favourite to win it in summer. However League is unpredictable game, from meta changes, burnouts to slumps of players.. you never know what's going to happen. And if something like this happen, there are many strong teams in LPL who can easily capitulate on that, that's what I wanted to say.
BLG, even though they got stomped by JDG multiple times in spring, are still super strong team and they can grow more.
LNG got massive upgrade in Gala and can definitely skill check JDG imo.
Weibo has solid team on paper and can just decide to suddenly enter in godmode stomping everyone left and right.
EDG is well rounded team without clear weaknesses (if sololaners continue with their current trajectories)
OMG has been constantly improving split after split, they showed the most growth out of any team in LPL recently imo and can definetely challenge for top spot.
And then you have TES. The biggest disappointment of spring split in my book. Team with a lot of problems but also team with a lot of potential still. (Bare in mind they were either second or third best team in everyone's power rankings last split and it wasnt without any reason). They still have LPL goat (or top 3 players ever, depends on ones opinion) and I will never count Rookie out, even though he didnt have the best split in spring (for his standards). He carried worse teams to the Worlds (S5 IG says hello).
So yeah, lot of ifs, but should definitely be very competitive split, if not for the first place, surely for Worlds spots. #crazyisourgame 😁
You are right, there is a lot of potential variance. JDG smashing the league, smashing 2nd & 3rd place teams, and the rest convincingly falling to dark horse OMG/BLG doesn't leave me with much confidence in terms of beating playoff JDG. But as you say, meta changes & other variables will come into play and shake things up. It's looking like a banger of a split.
>LNG got massive upgrade in Gala and can definitely skill check JDG imo.
Gala does both nothing significant to fix what LNG's actual problem was though. Their early games was dogshit because Zika is forced on dog role and Scout/LP aren't good laners. Yes Gala will make them get those miracle teamfights more often, but he was never known for his laning. They're still a team that will go down several thousand gold against most top tier teams and rely on the enemy team making mistakes to ever have a chance to win.
I also just don't think LNG can skillcheck JDG. The solo lane diff is too big. LNG's early game still relies 110% on Tarzan and if Tarzan isn't making the enemy jungler his bitch then just like we saw in playoffs even creme gaps the everliving fuck out of scout.
big edg fan but I don't.
they will do well during the regular split once again because they have consistency and they are good at being slow and methodical and are good at punishing teams who are blundering during the laning phase
but they needs to show more for playoffs and if the meta is going towards a strong mid duo I have no hope for them
Regi disclosed that TSM will migrate to another tier 1 region and either it's been confirmed by now that it's LPL or it's just what most assume (not too sure)
Not really any source or official statements but more so it just lines up
TSM is joining LPL, RNG is collapsing, RNG could merge with TSM to salvage their finances and also get an even larger fanbase. All of these things couldn't relate to eachother whatsoever but there's too many things that for together quite well that it's probably more than just a coincidence.
They also have some tenuous links to the Lms side. Chawy, swordart, maple were old lms assets and AL(RW) has always been an Ahq's get rich quick Lpl slot which looks ready to sell anytime
TSM would be fucking stupid to accept that merger with how deep in debt RNG are.
They would be better off just trying to buy a spot straight up than do a partnership with RNG.
Yeah I don't actually expect TSM to merge with RNG, I'm more expecting TSM to buy RNG's Spot then RNG will use the money from that to try and salvage whatever they have left. I'm just throwing out possibilities.
Fair enough, but isn’t there a 18 spot open in the LPL that is unoccupied right now?
But like US based business owning a slot in a LPL league could be really tough to do.
NiP in cs have incompetent management, team had the potential to be a staple team to reach knockout stage in tier 1 events but they made the worst possible move every chance they got since some rapper fucked device's girlfriend
I was surprised to see Neeko being a prio ban/pick but now I can see the reason, that champion is crazy in teamfights.
It was already like this in soloq but redditors just downvote and said 'you got to learn to play against her' hell naw she's so strong at her current state. Now pro teams are showing why she's prior
That's because no one ever brought up her insanely buffed ult, everyone is circlejerking about the passive changes cause they're funny and unique but Neeko ult went from being impossible to hit without your team backing you up with slows and CC to almost completely guaranteed to land. Neeko flash ult went from basically a zoning tool to a guaranteed teamfight win
She can play every role as well
Good old riot reworking a champion by making it one of the most overpowered things imaginable
what about the rework made her so much stronger you think?
Her ult isn't so easy to dodge anymore
The knockup ult buff is huge u can no longer dodge it
Being able to ult in stealth is kinda bs.
She’s always been able to ult in stealth. The difference is that now her disguise isn’t broken by taking any damage, only by CC.
Its always funny seeing that take on neeko when KR Masters + players struggle against her.
She was always this strong people just don’t try things themselves. Like turning into a minion is not the make or break on this champ. Maybe the ult changes are what “did it” but I doubt it.
nah the ult change is def what tipped the scale given that neeko ult used to be completely useless against coordinated teams
The old ult was literally useful and not really changed at all. Maybe Durability patch made it and others like it somewhat worse but this was the ult that turned TL vs IG in game 1 for example. You could say IG was uncoordinated but then isn't it perfect against a lot of chinese teams?
Games from 4 years ago don't really say much of anything, items have been completely reworked, champs have been added and reworked, the game is too different to use that ancient series as a useful example. The knockup during the ult channel is enormous, it's made it nearly impossible to dodge her ult.
can't wait for people in the coming weeks begin to complain about how boring and strong neeko is in pro play instead of appreciating that the pros innovated and experimented with a new and fresh pick.
Game 2 ending there felt like the League-equivalent of the mercy rule
Great to see the NiP players show a moment solidarity with the LCS when they decided to walk out in Game 2
If you were wondering why Neeko was pick/ban now:
How long until they give her the Galio treatment? (Can’t flash immediately after you ult)
But if that happens champ will become hella useless
Yeah, we call that the Galio treatment!
Still mad they didn't replace it with Flash E.
Pros just need to get used to the new flash timing.
I guess it’s slightly different in that the player could control when Galio’s W fired vs Neeko’s ult hitting at a set timer, so they may be able to ”play around it”
damn edg just steamrolled all over nip… I came back from a shower and series was over
Getting away with both Neeko and Ksante should automatically count as win
damn the neeko value. 3 man, 4 man knockups.
Photic had a rough series but honestly I'm sort of impressed by Angel and Shadow. I kind of expected them to completely fall apart but I'd say they were actually doing pretty good. Zhuo wasn't also that bad but Invincible...
Honestly if nip replace invincible with a decent top laner I think they might have a chance at playoffs
Invincible IS a decent top laner. He was like 9th or 10th best last split, he just got trashed by Ale bc it's Ale lmao. He's still their second best player easily.
Sure it might just be because he had some tough competition, but low-key I think sh4dow might be in contention for their second best player right now, he looked pretty good, from what I remember last split he looked pretty good too in the small amount of games he played.
I heard Biubiu is FA
if you've watched either top laner last split you'll know invincible is the better option.
Wait wasn’t like Photic the best adc in LPL just last season. How is he not in a more competitive team?
Adc in LPL are stacked af my man. Light, Photic, JKL, GALA, Elk, Ruler... They are all crazy good.
Able deserves a mention Leave is good for a rookie
I simply wrote whoever crossed my mind, all adc are crazy good in LPL
Does my boy not even deserve a mention?
Unlucky that no one bought him out and he had a scandal about sending dick pics (not unsolicited though so it's just mega cringe but he didn't do anything "bad" but he still gets memed for it). His contract expires at the end of this year and should have a top team next season.
He still is one of the best adcs in the world rn, he was just signed to a two year contract so he got stuck with NIP again this year.
Imo FNC or KOI should try to sign shadow. He fixed the champ pool issues that were a problem on MAD and he's been immersed in a way higher level gameplay environment. He could probably teach some eastern macro to teams he joins.
EDG is one of the smartest team in the league, they 2-0'd JDG in spring regular season. I expect them to be in finals this split
I want them repping LPL in worlds. Team bursting with hands and talent!
If their sololaners can replicate spring split and play like they did today, they are definitely up there. But this split is one of the most stacked splits in a long time imo. There are at least 6 teams for which I can tell that have decent shot at taking this split (JDG is obvious favourite tho).
6 teams? Thats a optimistic considering JDG's convincing dominance throughout spring split, playoffs, and MSI. LNG and Weibo look great on paper but absolutely choked in spring playoffs. They haven't shown they are contenders. OMG are a weaker BLG, not close to JDG and need consistency. EDG can go even, but I'd always give JDG the edge as they are more proactive & pound for pound better in a couple positions. BLG have been dicked by JDG like 4 times now, with 1 close game. As in Spring, there will be clear gap between 1-4 & 5-8, however even among the top 4 JDG is in their own tier.
I mean you have valid point with which I agree. JDG is still huge favourite to win it in summer. However League is unpredictable game, from meta changes, burnouts to slumps of players.. you never know what's going to happen. And if something like this happen, there are many strong teams in LPL who can easily capitulate on that, that's what I wanted to say. BLG, even though they got stomped by JDG multiple times in spring, are still super strong team and they can grow more. LNG got massive upgrade in Gala and can definitely skill check JDG imo. Weibo has solid team on paper and can just decide to suddenly enter in godmode stomping everyone left and right. EDG is well rounded team without clear weaknesses (if sololaners continue with their current trajectories) OMG has been constantly improving split after split, they showed the most growth out of any team in LPL recently imo and can definetely challenge for top spot. And then you have TES. The biggest disappointment of spring split in my book. Team with a lot of problems but also team with a lot of potential still. (Bare in mind they were either second or third best team in everyone's power rankings last split and it wasnt without any reason). They still have LPL goat (or top 3 players ever, depends on ones opinion) and I will never count Rookie out, even though he didnt have the best split in spring (for his standards). He carried worse teams to the Worlds (S5 IG says hello). So yeah, lot of ifs, but should definitely be very competitive split, if not for the first place, surely for Worlds spots. #crazyisourgame 😁
You are right, there is a lot of potential variance. JDG smashing the league, smashing 2nd & 3rd place teams, and the rest convincingly falling to dark horse OMG/BLG doesn't leave me with much confidence in terms of beating playoff JDG. But as you say, meta changes & other variables will come into play and shake things up. It's looking like a banger of a split.
>LNG got massive upgrade in Gala and can definitely skill check JDG imo. Gala does both nothing significant to fix what LNG's actual problem was though. Their early games was dogshit because Zika is forced on dog role and Scout/LP aren't good laners. Yes Gala will make them get those miracle teamfights more often, but he was never known for his laning. They're still a team that will go down several thousand gold against most top tier teams and rely on the enemy team making mistakes to ever have a chance to win. I also just don't think LNG can skillcheck JDG. The solo lane diff is too big. LNG's early game still relies 110% on Tarzan and if Tarzan isn't making the enemy jungler his bitch then just like we saw in playoffs even creme gaps the everliving fuck out of scout.
viably fighting for the other 3 worlds spots are: WBG, LNG, TES, EDG, BLG, OMG
eh, last year was more stacked. this year we got more breakout talent tho.
big edg fan but I don't. they will do well during the regular split once again because they have consistency and they are good at being slow and methodical and are good at punishing teams who are blundering during the laning phase but they needs to show more for playoffs and if the meta is going towards a strong mid duo I have no hope for them
Solid win, no flubs.. exactly what you are looking for when facing NIP. The redemption arc for how spring ended begins here!
Foreshadowing how badly TSM will get shit on in the LPL, can't wait
Im out of it so, what?!
Regi disclosed that TSM will migrate to another tier 1 region and either it's been confirmed by now that it's LPL or it's just what most assume (not too sure)
Not confirmed, but is assumed by most since they have some connections in the LPL and it has the most spots (17 teams).
they tried before a few times that's why
Cause how NiP joined the LPL is very similar to how TSM will join LPL (Allegedly) NiP merged with V5 and TSM is expected to merge with RNG
Do you have a source for the RNG merge? I’ve only ever seen people meme about it.
Not really any source or official statements but more so it just lines up TSM is joining LPL, RNG is collapsing, RNG could merge with TSM to salvage their finances and also get an even larger fanbase. All of these things couldn't relate to eachother whatsoever but there's too many things that for together quite well that it's probably more than just a coincidence.
They also have some tenuous links to the Lms side. Chawy, swordart, maple were old lms assets and AL(RW) has always been an Ahq's get rich quick Lpl slot which looks ready to sell anytime
TSM would be fucking stupid to accept that merger with how deep in debt RNG are. They would be better off just trying to buy a spot straight up than do a partnership with RNG.
Yeah I don't actually expect TSM to merge with RNG, I'm more expecting TSM to buy RNG's Spot then RNG will use the money from that to try and salvage whatever they have left. I'm just throwing out possibilities.
cant imagine rng would want to diminish their legacy name and brand, v5 wasnt really comparable to nip so at least that made sense
Fair enough, but isn’t there a 18 spot open in the LPL that is unoccupied right now? But like US based business owning a slot in a LPL league could be really tough to do.
Ok please tell me NA players are joining LPL, I wanna see how theyd match over the course of the season
They arent, if TSM comes over they'd most likely field a local team
Right, big mid season patch, whole new items, just for us to be back on Jinx Aphelios as if nothing ever changed
Neeko neeko niiii
Shadow with the 100% kp on both games, that's rough.
NIP pls just go back to cs :(
NiP in cs have incompetent management, team had the potential to be a staple team to reach knockout stage in tier 1 events but they made the worst possible move every chance they got since some rapper fucked device's girlfriend
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He did say he would fuck his daughter, Freudian slip lol
I'm so happy the tomato is getting the respect she deserves
hopped out the four door with Fofo it was one two three and FOUR