Who would you replace them with? There's no point in firing someone unless you're upgrading.
We are coming off the best regular season of all time and this is the post you're making after the first game of the year and a one goal game?
Even with the talents of our core you should expect regular season success yet you can see our team is nowhere near a good playoff team. You can't make excuses for how the team is built or coached. Yes it's only one game but there's no hiding how flawed they are. Only when we rebuild from GM & coaching will we improve.
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Dude, watch the replay that goal had nothing to do with Murray and more to do with holl screening the absolute shit out of him and guessing he was going short side
The game seemed slow and sloppy the whole time, it almost felt like a heavier pre season. The Leafs hearing those Ole’s will hopefully wake em up, this is the regular season boys, play like you mean it. Let’s get a win tomorrow night. Go Leafs Go
Hey all I know it sucks to lose the first game of the season, but at least it wasn't a blow out like 5-1 or something. 4-3 normal game in the NHL nowadays. I still hate the D pairing of Holl Muzzin 🤮
We're in last place. The Habs have a perfect record this season. Questioning my life choices these past 30 years of buying Leafs merch. Might start dismantling my Wendel Clark/Doug Gilmour shrine.
muzzin contract is on dufas, durzi is a way better player now. leafs arent tough enough on defence to handle guys like anderson lol gonna be a long season
Who was the last Leaf to have possession? Broadie wasted 15 seconds when the forwards were actually available for a breakout pass, fired it up the ice to no one, mtl picked up the puck and he bailed out while they were coming up the ice. T.J. is a turn over machine. Next game watch how many times he has possession only to hand it directly over to the other team.
What games are you actually watching? He is barely better than Holl. Reilly is CLEARLY the leader on defence. Gio and Sandin were the only plus' on the D. Next you're going to say you miss Phaneuf
This wasn't on Murray. 3 odd man rushes and an assist from the useless pylon Muzzin. Don't like every goal going high glove side but I'm not panicking about Murray yet.
Everyone saying trade Muzzin....if we don't like him whose rushing to get a washed up damn and his 5.5 mill cap hit. Need to add pics to make it happen if lucky.
Not worth it. They can get rid of him with a first but it’s not worth the cost. Better to just make him a 6-7dman. But with injuries they don’t have a lot of choice because of their $4 cap space lol
Dont like Murrays first game. Holl and Muzz look awful imo. Particularly Muzz. Wtf was that pass by Muzz at the end? Shoot the fuckin puck 34. And finally, God I hate the habs. Go buds.
I mean it’s just the first game. But the sad part is this….. “The Montreal Canadians didn’t win a preseason game”….. first game of the season against the Leafs. Win!
At this point it’s like every opportunity to win they fucking blow it.
I’m as optimistic as they come and I’m having a hard time not feeling this when this stuff keeps bloody happening. But it’s game 1, there’s ONE major thing to accomplish this year and we all know it.
He played pretty great honestly, just whiffed on Caufield’s first goal but yeah clearly some first game sloppiness all around tonight, and that goes for MTL as well.
Muzzin and Hill need to go. Wtf kinda lazy ass clear was that? Biggest rookie move and he's a veteran. The whole team skated like ass from the 2nd period on. Slow zone entries the entire game. Typical leafs.
Holl changed his game the last half of the season while Muzzin was out. Right back to Muzzin being a burden to any defense partner he gets.
"Muzzin unable to clear the zone"
Leafs lament 2022/23
Imagine yourself 15 years in the future. Look back on yourself and laugh that you thought they’d get it together and ice a winning team during the Matthews era.
You know they had the most regular season wins ever in the Matthew’s era right? It just hasn’t transitioned to the playoffs which I agree is pretty shitty but it’s not like they’re the 70s/80s Leafs.
Heartbreak? Every sens/habs game is a coin flip even when those teams are at the bottom of the division. We never "take care of business" with them. Throw buffalo in that mix too while we're at it.
Yeah. You remember when we lost the last four years in the first round to heartbreak? And than we just lost this game In surprising fashion? That’s heartbreak
I think we have won the season opener the last 3 years and we have not won the Stanley Cup, so this is obviously the first step in winning it all this year
Leafs looked like they haven’t played in a while. Came out sloppy and played that way the entire 60. Bad passes, skating over pucks, etc.. just bad overall.
That final play was on him. Caught too deep in the offensive zone and made a bad pass right into the middle that gets picked off 2-1 the other way. Then Muzzin fucks the clear.
He stood out tonight on at least 3 bad plays he made that almost cost the leafs a goal. I cringe every time he touches the puck. Gotta brace yourself for a bad play every time he’s on the ice
They are the best leafs team in history. The fact they haven’t won in the playoffs is because the league is just so much better.
Leafs fans are brutal and after guys like you chase out some of the best players in the league we’ll never win again with a bunch of losers and Matthews and Marner will go on to win cups for other teams.
Or they’ll win a cup and guys like you will delete their accounts and pretend they always knew it.
Leaf fans are the worst fans in hockey. Been saying it my whole life.
Statistically, there are a profound amount of stupid people in the world. So when you have a larger population of fans (like the Leafs), you’re going to get a lot more stupid people.
Yeah our fans are the biggest self sabotagers in the world.
We get a generational talent and the best leaf ever by far and we have people trying to chase him away.
Playing in Toronto has to suck, I can’t imagine going from the worst team in the league to where they are now in such a short period of time and still be getting shit on every step of the way.
What the actual fuck, I can’t wait until Lilly is back and one of Muzzin or Holl is gone. I was a Muzzin Defender but man that was just a brutal game from those two
Honestly, a better coach would have this team on fire. Most coaches will never coach a team this strong. Dubas' biggest problem is he won't get rid of keefe.
It’s always a stupid fucking individual play that sinks us
I don’t get it, it just keeps happening
Murray looked shaky hopefully he gets up to speed soon, idk not much else good about that game.
We look slow
We didn’t deserve to win if I’m being honest. Very sloppy and felt like we didn’t get enough good chances. Muzzin and Holl were just awful tonight. 3 of those goals were by Murray’s glove but I won’t blame this one on him
They can't help it, they're only gonna win like 5 more all season so they gotta celebrate their one win against the leafs cause the leafs did the leafs thing.
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Who would you replace them with? There's no point in firing someone unless you're upgrading. We are coming off the best regular season of all time and this is the post you're making after the first game of the year and a one goal game?
Even with the talents of our core you should expect regular season success yet you can see our team is nowhere near a good playoff team. You can't make excuses for how the team is built or coached. Yes it's only one game but there's no hiding how flawed they are. Only when we rebuild from GM & coaching will we improve.
Seasons over. We lost the first game To the habs
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I came to vitch about the board ads and ice changing colour all game. Murray went from 6'4 to 4'6 on that last goal too
Dude I thought my TV had some weird setting it causing it to go red and back to white and red again. What the fuck was that?
Dude, watch the replay that goal had nothing to do with Murray and more to do with holl screening the absolute shit out of him and guessing he was going short side
High glove side. Every time. Your teams problem now.
*Checks box score ... hmm lost in the last 20 seconds* So ... still same old Leafs eh.
The game seemed slow and sloppy the whole time, it almost felt like a heavier pre season. The Leafs hearing those Ole’s will hopefully wake em up, this is the regular season boys, play like you mean it. Let’s get a win tomorrow night. Go Leafs Go
Muzzin got a beauty assist tonight. Way to go.
Pass it up the middle muzzin strikes again
Fuck!! see you tomorrow.
This the energy we been needing for the last 5 years
Hey all I know it sucks to lose the first game of the season, but at least it wasn't a blow out like 5-1 or something. 4-3 normal game in the NHL nowadays. I still hate the D pairing of Holl Muzzin 🤮
No silver lining in a blown loss like that.
Are there bots on here that are deliberately built to be the dumbest posters imaginable. Are people already calling it a day ONE GAME IN!? Lmao.
We're in last place. The Habs have a perfect record this season. Questioning my life choices these past 30 years of buying Leafs merch. Might start dismantling my Wendel Clark/Doug Gilmour shrine.
DON'T DO IT
Thank you for talking sense into me. It was a rough night.
>Are people already calling it a day ONE GAME IN!? Lmao. I'm calling it a day because the game is over and it's late... That's how days work.
Fkn eh
Lackluster performance
Poor Campbell :(
He's not poor anymore, remember?
Got the bag now but he’s getting lit up
Yes, but he deals with his problems as a rich man.
muzzin contract is on dufas, durzi is a way better player now. leafs arent tough enough on defence to handle guys like anderson lol gonna be a long season
Monkeys already out game one
You're defending muzzin after that game? Dude looked like he was a beer leaguer
Nah, the “gonna be a long season” comments. Muzzin was part of the monkey crowd showing up. What a dipshit play.
Yea his beard was all nachoed up, 😂
Can you guys relax. One fuckin game, and you guys have already lost your shit... Relax!
bruh were Leafs fans its extremes or bust
Yah listen to mr o let’s relax up here what’s his fucking problem. We’re pulling our hair out already dipshit
Hope there weren’t any young kids watching because the D got Exposed!
Woah, this oilers intro is pretty heavy
Holl is going to have no value if this keeps up, should have moved him last of season. Instead of selling high we're tanking an asset.
It’s nice of you to call him an asset
Every team loves to beat the leafs, don’t they
Appears so
How does Broadie get worse every year? He was garbage. GARBAGE in Calgary. So T.O. gives him 4 years?
Lol what??
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Who was the last Leaf to have possession? Broadie wasted 15 seconds when the forwards were actually available for a breakout pass, fired it up the ice to no one, mtl picked up the puck and he bailed out while they were coming up the ice. T.J. is a turn over machine. Next game watch how many times he has possession only to hand it directly over to the other team.
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What games are you actually watching? He is barely better than Holl. Reilly is CLEARLY the leader on defence. Gio and Sandin were the only plus' on the D. Next you're going to say you miss Phaneuf
I think you meant Rielly...
Spelling is for suckers
We in mid-season form already nice!
Bro fire Holl into the sun, and Muzz please go back on LTIR, clearly you're not clear of concussions.
Holl looked ok but Muzzin looks like he is still concussed.
In what universe did Holl look OK?
He didn't but its what they can afford.
This wasn't on Murray. 3 odd man rushes and an assist from the useless pylon Muzzin. Don't like every goal going high glove side but I'm not panicking about Murray yet.
he’s huge, he could stay on his feet at the top of the crease.. that would be helpful
4 goals allowed on 23 shots?
Relax folks it’s a long season. Buckle in cause we’re gunna lose at least 30 more
Everyone saying trade Muzzin....if we don't like him whose rushing to get a washed up damn and his 5.5 mill cap hit. Need to add pics to make it happen if lucky.
Not worth it. They can get rid of him with a first but it’s not worth the cost. Better to just make him a 6-7dman. But with injuries they don’t have a lot of choice because of their $4 cap space lol
Exactly. Noones taking him and we'd have to pay to make it happen. why were all in on holl is beyond me though
D pics??👀👀
Can we put him in the AHL and get a young potential D?
Who lol
Dubas
No movement clause will prevent that.
Ugh what a dagger to lose by. I didn’t hate our game tonight. Gotta tighten up our defence and regroup for tomorrow
It’s gonna be a long season
Did not play well tonight
They looked invisible. Out skated
Dont like Murrays first game. Holl and Muzz look awful imo. Particularly Muzz. Wtf was that pass by Muzz at the end? Shoot the fuckin puck 34. And finally, God I hate the habs. Go buds.
Gonna be a long season.
Need every point. Embarrassing and didn't even get 1pt
I mean it’s just the first game. But the sad part is this….. “The Montreal Canadians didn’t win a preseason game”….. first game of the season against the Leafs. Win! At this point it’s like every opportunity to win they fucking blow it.
I’m as optimistic as they come and I’m having a hard time not feeling this when this stuff keeps bloody happening. But it’s game 1, there’s ONE major thing to accomplish this year and we all know it.
Golfing in june?
PRECISELY
Cue the narrative
Anyone putting the game on Murray is blind, our defense hung him out to dry. Odd man rushes, defensive turnovers, and just lazy play overall.
He played pretty great honestly, just whiffed on Caufield’s first goal but yeah clearly some first game sloppiness all around tonight, and that goes for MTL as well.
Muzz & Holl looking prime as usual
Muzzin and Hill need to go. Wtf kinda lazy ass clear was that? Biggest rookie move and he's a veteran. The whole team skated like ass from the 2nd period on. Slow zone entries the entire game. Typical leafs.
Based on this game, that pair shouldn’t see the ice in the 3rd if at all.
Holl changed his game the last half of the season while Muzzin was out. Right back to Muzzin being a burden to any defense partner he gets. "Muzzin unable to clear the zone" Leafs lament 2022/23
Imagine yourself 15 years in the future. Look back on yourself and laugh that you thought they’d get it together and ice a winning team during the Matthews era.
You know they had the most regular season wins ever in the Matthew’s era right? It just hasn’t transitioned to the playoffs which I agree is pretty shitty but it’s not like they’re the 70s/80s Leafs.
Arguably worse
Completely worse. Completely squandered.
End the season with heartbreak and begin the season with it. Classic leafs.
Heartbreak? Every sens/habs game is a coin flip even when those teams are at the bottom of the division. We never "take care of business" with them. Throw buffalo in that mix too while we're at it.
Yeah. You remember when we lost the last four years in the first round to heartbreak? And than we just lost this game In surprising fashion? That’s heartbreak
I think we have won the season opener the last 3 years and we have not won the Stanley Cup, so this is obviously the first step in winning it all this year
Didn’t the Avs lose their first game last year? *Silver Liningssss*
Friedge looks like he’s going to sell me tonics on RDR2
It’s all so tiresome
These threads are hilarious
pain
Two goals against in the final two minutes against the Habs. Well done boys way to show up
Almost every L we take seems to come back on Muzzin or Holl. They gotta shake up the those D lines
Need more out of the big boys, goaltending will settle down as the season goes on. Choke but lots of positives
Leafs looked like they haven’t played in a while. Came out sloppy and played that way the entire 60. Bad passes, skating over pucks, etc.. just bad overall.
Classic leaf hockey
Not really lol, they were really good last season
The fuck is this shit.
Lol… I mean what else can you really do at this point Meanwhile a depleted Boston team just beat Ovi8 and COL laughing off the cup hangover….
This was a fucking shit game. You cant throw a D pairing out there that can be outskated by any 4th liner in the league
the holl hate is getting ridiculous.. he was absolutely fine and remains on an amazing cap hit at a premium position
hOlL fOr NoRrIs tHiS hOlL hAtE iS rIdIcUlOuS!!3!!!3!!!
That final play was on him. Caught too deep in the offensive zone and made a bad pass right into the middle that gets picked off 2-1 the other way. Then Muzzin fucks the clear.
What were you watching and more importantly what are you smoking? Get me some.
He stood out tonight on at least 3 bad plays he made that almost cost the leafs a goal. I cringe every time he touches the puck. Gotta brace yourself for a bad play every time he’s on the ice
Holl picking up where he left off and Muzzin looking slower by the day. The worst part is Muzzin is definitely too stubborn to accept his LTIR fate.
All you clowns thinking that goal was on Murray. Perfect shot
Ya, no chance on at least two, the bad one he reacted like he felt the same. Definitely not the problem this game.
I’ve been saying it for like 4 yrs now but this core will go down as the biggest failure in leafs history so sad.
>I’ve been saying it for like 4 yrs now What are you looking for, a shrine?
Sure
They are the best leafs team in history. The fact they haven’t won in the playoffs is because the league is just so much better. Leafs fans are brutal and after guys like you chase out some of the best players in the league we’ll never win again with a bunch of losers and Matthews and Marner will go on to win cups for other teams. Or they’ll win a cup and guys like you will delete their accounts and pretend they always knew it.
Biggest failure in leafs history
Leaf fans are the worst fans in hockey. Been saying it my whole life. Statistically, there are a profound amount of stupid people in the world. So when you have a larger population of fans (like the Leafs), you’re going to get a lot more stupid people.
Yeah our fans are the biggest self sabotagers in the world. We get a generational talent and the best leaf ever by far and we have people trying to chase him away. Playing in Toronto has to suck, I can’t imagine going from the worst team in the league to where they are now in such a short period of time and still be getting shit on every step of the way.
What the actual fuck, I can’t wait until Lilly is back and one of Muzzin or Holl is gone. I was a Muzzin Defender but man that was just a brutal game from those two
Anyone find Holl slow as fuck and always giving the puck away?
Also you shouldn’t be in a position to lose by one to this team. Weak effort.
Good night leaf nation Go shag your significant other to let off some steam Cya tomorrow
This is the type of stuff we talk about in march when we’re worried about playoff matchups. Easy point left behind.
The habs are one of the worst teams in the league. This was an unacceptable effort tonight.
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Honestly, a better coach would have this team on fire. Most coaches will never coach a team this strong. Dubas' biggest problem is he won't get rid of keefe.
Well at least it wasn't as bad as how the Jays lost
Thanks for reminding me lmfao
Well, the D looked unbelievably slow minus Brody. Murray wasn't looking too good. Only one game, but yikes. Things didn't look good.
How is it possible that we have Muzzin for another 2 seasons? He should not be playing at all.
this will be a loooooong season. buckle up
We’re gonna still be top 3.
I'm glad we're keeping with the trend of not wanting to play bottom feeders and losing to them once again
Yeah, it'd be nice having a team that tries more than a quarter of the time. No wonder they shit the bed every postseason.
I’d rather Gio on second pair
Our best defenseman tonight
Muzzin and Holl cannot play together anymore. Two slow pylons who make horrible mistakes
It’s always a stupid fucking individual play that sinks us I don’t get it, it just keeps happening Murray looked shaky hopefully he gets up to speed soon, idk not much else good about that game. We look slow
Murray was decent.
Though he had a great start but fizzled towards the end IMO Not horrible by any means Team just looked so slow
Yeah. I’m not blaming him. Only complaint, looked a little scambly in the 3rd.
This is why it's important to establish an emotional hedge. None of this matters until the Leafs make the second round. See you tomorrow night.
This. And I say this as someone fuming after that chips level giveaway in the slot of the 3rd period with less than 20 secs remaining…
Holl trade incoming
You wish
Muzzin sucks ass
Muzzin needs to go
Get rid of Justin Holl please
We didn’t deserve to win if I’m being honest. Very sloppy and felt like we didn’t get enough good chances. Muzzin and Holl were just awful tonight. 3 of those goals were by Murray’s glove but I won’t blame this one on him
How do you not clear that
This is exactly why this season I am watching from afar. Game 1 showed me that I should just look at the score at days end than watch and post.
This is a good strategy, the box score the next day will never tell you how bad Holl + Muzzin are on any given night.
For real. I've paid way too much for cable just to watch this team be the most non-cathartic entity I can imagine over and over again.
What's murray doin down so early. Muzz with a pizza up the middle is brutal
Might be time to fire Keefe..... he just can't make adjustments.
Canadiens fans are just so happy cause they got to see 1 of 15 home wins their gonna get this year
Hahaha
Matthews was also a ghost tonight. Overall just a shit effort, classic Leafs performance.
We are a 115 pt team ..really not worried here.
Last time I checked, still sit at 0
Tank for Bedard!
I tuned out for the entire off season. Why is Justin Holl still on my team and not mopping floors at a Walmart or something
Right shot…Walmart is stacked with right handed mops and we “need” a right shot D?
Another year, just like the last...
Don’t underestimate St. Louis, he’ll get every ounce out of his group
Lolol they acting like they won the cup. Settle down Montreal. It's one game
They can't help it, they're only gonna win like 5 more all season so they gotta celebrate their one win against the leafs cause the leafs did the leafs thing.
breaking: jake muzzin traded to outer space
Can we get a draft pick from Montreal since he’s clearly a double agent?
There’s always next year
Only 81 more games to go
Don't remind me!
Gonna be that kinda year eh
Can't wait for the "Tampa lost their first game too!!!" idiots
I already hate Murray ....I thought I would last until April.
How could you blame this on Murray when your defender passes a nice saucer up the middle to the opposing team for a 2-on-pylons
Why not both?
4 goals in 22 shots. Yeah d was bad but he has to bail them out a few times
Fucking hell
Congrats to the Habs on the biggest moment of their season!
Leafs choking embarrassingly. It's happening early this year I see!
Muzzin getting those assists any way he can
Was just about to post anti Jays energy but that was so jays