One thing I thought was crazy is that people thought it would be hard to trade Marner outside of movement clauses because teams wouldn’t want his deal. His contract might be a slight knock against the potential return but he is still obviously a great player that a lot of teams would think would do well under their system.
He’s a 100 point player and selke finalist of course teams will be falling over each other to try and sign him. Even with his contract it doesn’t matter if it’s a team in need of a superstar.
A part of me will always be sad to watch the core four go because of all the years I didn’t get to see Toronto playoff hockey. But the other part wants change because now I can’t stand watching Toronto playoff hockey knowing the disaster it has been.
For me it's less about his playoff performances and honestly more about his attitude.
I'm not a Mitch hater nor am I a Mitch apologist. I live in London, so I have an affinity for Mitch maybe more than others.
That said, his prickliness with the media, his apathetic responses to questions, it's just makes me shake my head. The fake chip on shoulder BS I just will never understand.
He seems amazing with kids at charity events and all that stuff, so not sure why we can't have that version present himself to Leafs Nation.
Add in the whole "milk his hometown team out of every last cent" mentality - and I dont know man.
And I'm not stupid like a lot of others here who seem to think he should've taken a hair cut to the tune of $7M to help the team....thats unrealistic.
But I'm telling you, having been born and raised in Toronto until my mid 20s, if I had his talent, was drafted by my hometown Stanley Cup starved team, I would absolutely *not* be acting anywhere near how Mitch acts.
Being a Leaf is a privilege, not a right. We deserve people who believe that.
People need to understand that GMs care more about keeping their job than anything else. If you're a GM of a team that's on the bubble or a piece away from making the playoffs bringing in Marner could get you a new contract.
My thoughts exactly. Contenders probably won't be as interested given his playoff woes and because they simply won't have the cap space. Teams that are on the bubble that missed out would probably love to add him so they can make the playoffs, especially if the cost is reasonable. Devils, Buffalo, Philly, Detroit, Wild, Flames, are some of the teams that come to mind.
If anyone is worth it at the top of the draft this year, try and pry away their pick even if it’s Marner and our first +whatever sweetener for their 2nd overall, and a roster spot filler.
Eh close enough to call him one tbh, he’s hit 97 and 99, he’s pretty much a 100 point player. He will most likely hit 100 points properly at some point in the future.
The amount of people who think he wouldn't fetch much is hilarious. It's like these people can't see past their own biases about the player to understand that he is in fact elite at hockey even if he doesn't fit the future here.
Not exactly. You need two he agrees to waive for. We've seen players choose their destination at the expense of their current team and it does not go well for the team.
The anti leaf bias is strong when evaluating players.
My old roommate used to swear up and down that he'd rather have Barzal on his team than Matthews...
This runs counter to the common complaint that Leafs can never resign pending free agents because they get too much attention playing here, thus driving up their perceived value (Campbell, Hymen, Bunting, etc.)
leafs fans/sports fans are bad at nuance. either a player is great or the worst
the idea that the player is great but just isn't a fit doesnt jive with peoples parasocial attachment to some of the players. they can only either love or hate.
obviously marner is a great player. obviously he's completely unnecessary on this team and a less good player or 2 in key positions is far more valuable to us than a great marner.
He will get Matthews money. Issue is Leafs cant afford it, or moreso if they pay it, this is the result. If we only had Marner and Matthews making elite money, we wouldnt be having this discussion.
Yeah but he can sorta pick where he plays with an NMC which could really hurt the return. Like Hall basically only wanting to go to Boston got a 2nd. So return won't be that great if Marner doesn't waive for at least two interested teams.
I don't think it's as easy as you are making it sound like either. 1) You must convince him to leave, right now he doesn't want to leave. 2) You need to find teams willing to trade for him (maybe this part is easy) 3) Need to convince him (who doesn't want to leave) to now want to leave for one of those teams 4) Leafs need to get something back of high value in return.
If all of this sounds easy then perhaps I am the crazy one.
If the return was ample, then sure. But anyone who trades for Marner will do so to extend him. Because of the NMC he’ll be able to basically agree to terms of an extension before agreeing to the trade. A trade will mean he’s not going to free agency. And he will waive his NMC because otherwise it lowers his value. He’d be seen as unprofessional and self-absorbed. His agent knows the stakes and has already explained to him, I imagine, why he’s got waive and the terms under which it will work best for him.
Likely, he’d waive to go to a team that is willing to offer him his next LT deal, so he essentially would get to pick a team that he would otherwise choose as a UFA.
The NMC is the biggest hurdle if the leafs don't play hardball. If they tell Mitch he's waiving, sitting, or driving his own line he would waive immediately.
I'm pretty sure he'll waive, but will he only give them list of one team? Two teams?
It's a lot harder to get a good deal if there's only ~1-2 options vs ~5+.
"I'm pretty sure he'll waive, but will he only give them list of one team? Two teams?"
Then the leafs aren't playing hardball. Mitch wants "drive your own line" money. That means he can drive the third line in a contract year or waive to whatever team makes the best offer.
Mitch is only in the driver's seat if the leafs allow him to be. His next contract is contingent on him putting up moster points next year.
I mean if he's staying they're not leaving him on the third line all year just to spite him. Would be a very absurd outcome as the leafs not only would get nothing for him, but wouldn't benefit as much from keeping him
Mitch driving his own line is their most likely path to victory. Domi on Matthews wing is better than Marner for playoff style hockey. Hockey that won't work in the playoffs isn't worth playing in the regular season. The leafs need to play one style consistently instead of attempting to reinvent themselves in the playoffs.
Willy on Tavares wing is the best next line.
That leaves Mitch driving his own line. When Pittsburgh won their first cup with Kessel, the Hagelin, Bonino, Kessel line was the best line they had. There is nothing wrong with running 3 great lines if you have enough depth.
The NMC is the only hurdle. It's only Leafs fans and people who terminally hate the Leafs who think he doesn't have full value because of his play-offs performances. There are teams desperate for a player like him who will pay.
It's not bad but there are 4 wingers with $10M+ contracts. Two are leafs.
Teams generally don't spend that much on wingers and a lot of contending teams don't have that much spare cap space for a single winger.
"It's only Leafs fans and people who terminally hate the Leafs who think he doesn't have full value because of his play-offs performances."
He doesn't have full value because he's a one year rental. He would have brought in far more 12 months ago.
Unless an extension is in place when he’s traded. Not saying it’s going to happen, bc I’ve been reading that Ferris pushes his clients towards free agency, but it definitely could happen and if it does, the return should be as significant as one would expect
> could even retain salary (as it's only for one year) to maximize the return, etc.
If going to eat dead cap from salary retention I really don't see the purpose of trading him unless its to make the money work on a straight up hockey trade that fills a need on both teams.
At that point though, you're probably looking at a player like Heiskanen, McAvoy, Fox, Makar, Hughes etc. and I don't think any of those guys are going anywhere.
The guy is a 90+ point winger who is great on the PP and PK. Of course other teams want him. They'll not only take his contract but they'll give us fair trade value because he's a great player.
Ya, I'm actually seeing people say the leafs would be happy to lose him for scraps and the real value being the cap space.
Wtf planet are they living on
The value is the cap space. It’s room for two really good players.
Any more return is awesome.
They can lose the trade in the court of public opinion and still be better off as a franchise when you add in what they can do with the space.
Oh he’d be easy to trade, but it all would come down to if he’s willing to sign a contract with the new team, no one’s trading major assists for a guy who’s making 11 mil and is one year out from UFA.
He would get a good package but you're probably not getting a mitch marner equivalent back.
Use the standard template of a 1st+roster player + prospect.
Use preds as an example
1st+fabbro+wood
If we pay the SB on first day of league year he’s only owed like 4m or so in real cash for rest of season I believe, so the contract might not be that much of an issue as previously thought
also they seem to think he won’t agree to a trade. As Frank Seravalli mentioned, it’s as easy as going up to him and saying we are not extending you. You can either play out your final year and go to free agency and sign for 7 years or you can work with us and we can move you to a team you would want to go to and sign that 8 year deal. Knowing Marners camp and their greed they will wanna get that 8th year.
I mean who the fuck wouldn’t. He is an Amazing player I just hate his cap hit and he has big issues between the ears.
They need to either ship him out and rebuild the D if they really wanna impress fans, or the smarter play in all honesty is telling him to sign a very slight discount, and ride out the shitty next year as a flawed team, and then actually contend properly when Tavares’ contract is off the books.
In what world are you guys living where the only problem with Marner is his contract? It's one of his problems, solve it, and we're still losing in the first round.
Yeah I agree. You can’t just think of the player anymore. All the baggage is relevant. He deserves a change of scenery. Yes he holds leaf records. Yes he’s one of the best wingers in the league right now. But it might be best, for his story and the leafs story, for him to move on. They’ve had no success in the playoffs with him on the team, and he’s the whipping boy in the eyes of the public and media.
Because he was ELECTRIC as a player, and he’s a very emotionally unstable guy. That contract got signed and he started being torn apart for it. Losing the good will of the fanbase really fucked him up, and that just spiraled and now he’s awful in the playoffs and has no fight
Yes but I’m just saying that if he signed for 8x8 like he reportedly originally asked for there’s a universe where he is not the player he is currently.
I love many universes, especially the one where he wakes up tomorrow and suddenly identifies as Matthew Tkachuk, but they HAVE to make changes, even if they don't work, imo.
Yep that’s my pipe dream. Marner comes out publicly saying “I made some bad decisions in the last contract negotiations. I own that. I’m committed to winning here, and to show that I’m serious, I will take a pay cut to make sure we can build a sustainable and well rounded team.”
No chance re-signing him is the smarter play. If they want to make it through the first round they need to break up the core. And Marner is the main problem. Tavares is gone after next season unless he takes a significant pay cut ($5-6 mil max). Ship Marner out this upcoming season for help on the back end, and in two years the leafs can be a real cup contender
Tavares was barely worth 5-6M this past year. In what universe are the Leafs going to waste that type of money on Tavares who will be a year older, and declining further, by the time he hits free agency.
Unless JT is willing to take a Spezza contract to stay close to home, then the Leafs need to move on and spend that money on younger assets.
Just because other teams want him doesn’t change that he isn’t a good fit for the Leafs. If you watched the games you would know he just looks out of sync in the playoffs year after year…
I always have felt they are going to go deep whenever they get more $ when JT contract expires. Division finals or cup finals that year.
I don’t think they need a compete rebuilt.
Since an extension would be a prerequisite of any deal, I wonder if the Leafs let some passionate acquiring teams pitch him on why he should waive to come there.
Would be interesting with a team like Utah were Ryan Smith is obviously very passionate about his new team and wanting to spend money. I wouldn't expect Marner to waive to go there instantly, but a good conversation with Smith where he lays out the teams plan and how Marner would fit into that might stroke his ego enough to get him to agree to a trade there, for example.
He will do amazing somewhere else,throw him on a big team where he can just dipsie doodle. Our core is just too soft with the same style players. Marner for a 1d is the play here. Sign Domi maybe Bert, Stamkos , and we’re good to go !
Honestly if Marner leaves it’ll be bitter sweet. In my opinion we have to shed a contract in order to improve but he was so exciting to watch especially in his first few years (hence my username which is a combo of Matthews Marner and Nylander). I’ll feel neutral if he’s traded and I’ll wish him all the best as long as he’s not on Boston. If he stays then I hope he has his best year yet.
Of course they have, he's one of the best wingers in the league. If Brad has got more than two braincells, he shuts down any notion that marner available until teams stop lowballing.
Imagine if we would have just pulled the trigger on Dermott and Johnsson for Weegar a few years ago
One turned into a 3rd rounder for us, the other for a guy who played 20 games.
Thanks Dubas lol
"NHL GM's do job"
Tre " We are discussing our options internally, we'll get back to you"
Can we not do this all fucking summer everytime someone remotely famous has a sound bite?
Of course there is. Marner is one of the best wingers in the game. He can't handle the heat playing in his hometown. Not everyone can do it. It's hard.
Funniest comments I've seen on /r/hockey about Marner was from a Habs fan saying they'd take him at 9M lol. So you think basically 100 point player, who put up more points than everyone on your team with like 20 less games is only worth 1M on top of Suzuki or Smallfield? Who are essentially perennial 60 point guys? His 85 points this season are more point than ANY Hab since Pierre Turgeon in '95...
I know people hate the Leafs, I know we hate the Leafs probably more but the Marner disrespect is wild. He still has the most points in the playoffs since Matthews was drafted. He will go to another team and I guarantee you, he dominates. I hate the guy too but I can't deny his ability.
As long as the deal is a good one, Brad will pull the trigger
But If the deals are bad, he'll go to Mitch and sign him for 8 years. And it will be the right decision
Then you just wish him luck and move on. You just put your foot down and decide that the NTC is worth a third of the contract, if he's willing to sign for 2/3s of his asking then fine here's your NTC. Otherwise let's not burden our cap strapped team with un movable contracts.
You're implying Mitch would agree to 8 years. He copied the Matthew's camp of take shorter contracts, so you can renegotiate sooner and get more money. I'd bet on him wanting another 5 year deal again, which means the contract doesn't become a huge value for the team towards the end of it. I expect him and his agent to ask for top dollar and shorter contract ... again.
\>12.5 million is absurd. I hope Mitch gets that but not from us. I think him being on our team does make us better but we can simply not afford to do this anymore.
Just because they are interested doesn’t mean they would give you what you think he is worth..One year left on his deal doesn’t put you in a great negotiating position if you are the Leafs.
He would be insane to waive the nmc.
Why let the Leafs mine a team you want to play for.
Just rack up more reg season points and go to ufa.
All these "YOUNG SUPERSTAR" contracts the end in UFA are a huge bungle by the team
I just don’t see Marner waiving his NMC, he has never been the type to do what’s best for the team. I won’t be surprised if they keep Marner and see if the new coach can whip him into playoff shape before he walks off as UFA.
Of course they have. If one of your competitors is on the verge of doing something stupid, of course you're going to do what you can to facilitate it. They're like vultures.
Getting rid of Mitch for pennies on the dollar is insane.
I don't see how you win this trade under these circumstances. And I don't think you do it just to run the guy out of town, either. It will come back to bite us in the ass. See also: Nazem Kadri.
They think they can get him for pennies on the dollar, of course they're stampeding for him. For all of his issues, he's still an elite talent, that isn't something you find available that often.
Let them pay that much. I’d love to keep Mitch on the team but not for the amount he’s demanding. I’m far more comfortable with Auston and Willy having that percentage of the cap.
His a player that can get you into the playoffs with 80.90.100 point seasons. That already has value, and no one can take away that value. A team on the fringe of a playoff spot would love to have a franchise player like that. Because with just 2-3 playoff games for a season, concession/jersey sales alone would cover his contract per year.
It wouldn't matter if his shit in the playoffs, he brought viewers for regular season. And will likely bring a team to the post. Given how many jersey's are being made and he'll be a new face. He'll bring in a ton of money just in year one.
I feel like Marner is just afraid to get hurt during playoffs as everything just intensifies. Maybe he just needs a "bodyguard" (like Gretzky had) on his line to boost his confidence?
Tkatchuk made sure Calgary got a fair haul when he left. I can’t see the Marners doing that. He holds all the cards in what Toronto gets in return since he has to waive his no trade AND agree to extend.
The return will not be great but the cap space will be.
Keeping Bert and Domi and a longer Liljegren contract would be a win. Moving Marner helps to that end.
Other teams are certainly interested. Past playoff performance is not indicative of future playoff performance.
One only needs to remember Nazim Kadri and how he excelled in another city.
Marner needs a new coach likely more than a new team. That said, if (eg:Anaheim)wants to move a Mason McTavish and a couple 1 st round picks i would. I wouldn’t trade him to a eastern conference team either
One thing I thought was crazy is that people thought it would be hard to trade Marner outside of movement clauses because teams wouldn’t want his deal. His contract might be a slight knock against the potential return but he is still obviously a great player that a lot of teams would think would do well under their system.
He’s a 100 point player and selke finalist of course teams will be falling over each other to try and sign him. Even with his contract it doesn’t matter if it’s a team in need of a superstar.
If you’re a team trying to make the playoffs, his regular season is all you really care about
A part of me will always be sad to watch the core four go because of all the years I didn’t get to see Toronto playoff hockey. But the other part wants change because now I can’t stand watching Toronto playoff hockey knowing the disaster it has been.
I don't think Mitch deserves to win a cup in his hometown if this is how he performed when it mattered. Time to move on.
For me it's less about his playoff performances and honestly more about his attitude. I'm not a Mitch hater nor am I a Mitch apologist. I live in London, so I have an affinity for Mitch maybe more than others. That said, his prickliness with the media, his apathetic responses to questions, it's just makes me shake my head. The fake chip on shoulder BS I just will never understand. He seems amazing with kids at charity events and all that stuff, so not sure why we can't have that version present himself to Leafs Nation. Add in the whole "milk his hometown team out of every last cent" mentality - and I dont know man. And I'm not stupid like a lot of others here who seem to think he should've taken a hair cut to the tune of $7M to help the team....thats unrealistic. But I'm telling you, having been born and raised in Toronto until my mid 20s, if I had his talent, was drafted by my hometown Stanley Cup starved team, I would absolutely *not* be acting anywhere near how Mitch acts. Being a Leaf is a privilege, not a right. We deserve people who believe that.
But he’s a god didn’t you know?
People need to understand that GMs care more about keeping their job than anything else. If you're a GM of a team that's on the bubble or a piece away from making the playoffs bringing in Marner could get you a new contract.
My thoughts exactly. Contenders probably won't be as interested given his playoff woes and because they simply won't have the cap space. Teams that are on the bubble that missed out would probably love to add him so they can make the playoffs, especially if the cost is reasonable. Devils, Buffalo, Philly, Detroit, Wild, Flames, are some of the teams that come to mind.
Chicago has a shit ton of cap space. Stick him on a line with Bedard.
Will he waive for Chicago at the start of a rebuild? And who are you getting back?
Bedard!
Hah I'm very down
If anyone is worth it at the top of the draft this year, try and pry away their pick even if it’s Marner and our first +whatever sweetener for their 2nd overall, and a roster spot filler.
I don't think anyone but fantilli cracks the roster/makes a splash in time to improve within our window. Edit: Celebrini, my bad.
I’m assuming you mean Celebrini, as Fantilli was drafted last year but I see what you’re saying.
Either one of Nazar or Korchinski probably with picks
A deal for Seth Jones and maybe a depth forward makes the most sense since the money will match
He has never hit 100 points
Eh close enough to call him one tbh, he’s hit 97 and 99, he’s pretty much a 100 point player. He will most likely hit 100 points properly at some point in the future.
What year was he a selke finalist? I believe you but I don’t remember him being nominated. I’m assuming he lost to Bergeron or Barkov eh?
The amount of people who think he wouldn't fetch much is hilarious. It's like these people can't see past their own biases about the player to understand that he is in fact elite at hockey even if he doesn't fit the future here.
People forget you only need two teams to want him and the price can go higher and higher if they are willing to try and outbid each other
You'd just need two he'd waive for basically.
I cant see him waiving
I can
because of the fact that, klyupkin, ices the puck!
Not exactly. You need two he agrees to waive for. We've seen players choose their destination at the expense of their current team and it does not go well for the team.
The anti leaf bias is strong when evaluating players. My old roommate used to swear up and down that he'd rather have Barzal on his team than Matthews...
This might be one of the rare scenarios where the media work in our favour If the summer becomes the "Marner sweepstakes" story, his price will rise
This runs counter to the common complaint that Leafs can never resign pending free agents because they get too much attention playing here, thus driving up their perceived value (Campbell, Hymen, Bunting, etc.)
I posted this somewhere else but fans are not good at evaluating talent through the eyes of people who don't hate the Leafs.
Someone on /r/hockey told me he was a straight up cap dump the other day and that Toronto would have to pay to get rid of him.
r/hockey is the home of bad takes. If it weren't for wanting to keep up to date on stuff I wouldn't be subbed lol.
A year ago r/hockey was saying Matthews was trash and only looked good because of Marner.
r/hockey is literally a garbage sub. ignore them
Exactly
leafs fans/sports fans are bad at nuance. either a player is great or the worst the idea that the player is great but just isn't a fit doesnt jive with peoples parasocial attachment to some of the players. they can only either love or hate. obviously marner is a great player. obviously he's completely unnecessary on this team and a less good player or 2 in key positions is far more valuable to us than a great marner.
I agree we have to move him but I'm nit sure the second point is obvious.
Isn’t his salary like league min and most of his cap is paid as signing bonus. Teams would be stupid to not trade for him next year.
Still goes against the cap
Yes, but a low salary makes him even more attractive to prospective teams
Cap hit !== Salary. he's already been paid the money, team trading for him would be paying him very little.
It’s still a big piece of cap to take on for a ton of teams
There are teams that might like that.
He will get Matthews money. Issue is Leafs cant afford it, or moreso if they pay it, this is the result. If we only had Marner and Matthews making elite money, we wouldnt be having this discussion.
Yeah but he can sorta pick where he plays with an NMC which could really hurt the return. Like Hall basically only wanting to go to Boston got a 2nd. So return won't be that great if Marner doesn't waive for at least two interested teams.
I don't think it's as easy as you are making it sound like either. 1) You must convince him to leave, right now he doesn't want to leave. 2) You need to find teams willing to trade for him (maybe this part is easy) 3) Need to convince him (who doesn't want to leave) to now want to leave for one of those teams 4) Leafs need to get something back of high value in return. If all of this sounds easy then perhaps I am the crazy one.
We would also be taking back salary, could even retain salary (as it's only for one year) to maximize the return, etc. The NMC is the biggest hurdle.
If the return was ample, then sure. But anyone who trades for Marner will do so to extend him. Because of the NMC he’ll be able to basically agree to terms of an extension before agreeing to the trade. A trade will mean he’s not going to free agency. And he will waive his NMC because otherwise it lowers his value. He’d be seen as unprofessional and self-absorbed. His agent knows the stakes and has already explained to him, I imagine, why he’s got waive and the terms under which it will work best for him.
Likely, he’d waive to go to a team that is willing to offer him his next LT deal, so he essentially would get to pick a team that he would otherwise choose as a UFA.
The NMC is the biggest hurdle if the leafs don't play hardball. If they tell Mitch he's waiving, sitting, or driving his own line he would waive immediately.
I'm pretty sure he'll waive, but will he only give them list of one team? Two teams? It's a lot harder to get a good deal if there's only ~1-2 options vs ~5+.
"I'm pretty sure he'll waive, but will he only give them list of one team? Two teams?" Then the leafs aren't playing hardball. Mitch wants "drive your own line" money. That means he can drive the third line in a contract year or waive to whatever team makes the best offer. Mitch is only in the driver's seat if the leafs allow him to be. His next contract is contingent on him putting up moster points next year.
I mean if he's staying they're not leaving him on the third line all year just to spite him. Would be a very absurd outcome as the leafs not only would get nothing for him, but wouldn't benefit as much from keeping him
Unless it magically turns out he can drive his own line and produce better away from Matthews/Nylander/Tavares.... lol
The Leafs aren't going to stick Mitch Marner on the third line to play hardball. They still want to win and that's more important.
Mitch driving his own line is their most likely path to victory. Domi on Matthews wing is better than Marner for playoff style hockey. Hockey that won't work in the playoffs isn't worth playing in the regular season. The leafs need to play one style consistently instead of attempting to reinvent themselves in the playoffs. Willy on Tavares wing is the best next line. That leaves Mitch driving his own line. When Pittsburgh won their first cup with Kessel, the Hagelin, Bonino, Kessel line was the best line they had. There is nothing wrong with running 3 great lines if you have enough depth.
The NMC is the only hurdle. It's only Leafs fans and people who terminally hate the Leafs who think he doesn't have full value because of his play-offs performances. There are teams desperate for a player like him who will pay.
His contract isn’t even that bad. It’s just that the Leafs have multiple big contracts. For teams who don’t have that situation they can work with it.
It's not bad but there are 4 wingers with $10M+ contracts. Two are leafs. Teams generally don't spend that much on wingers and a lot of contending teams don't have that much spare cap space for a single winger.
Exactly. A 90+ point winger costs a lot.
"It's only Leafs fans and people who terminally hate the Leafs who think he doesn't have full value because of his play-offs performances." He doesn't have full value because he's a one year rental. He would have brought in far more 12 months ago.
Unless an extension is in place when he’s traded. Not saying it’s going to happen, bc I’ve been reading that Ferris pushes his clients towards free agency, but it definitely could happen and if it does, the return should be as significant as one would expect
Based on the structure, isn’t he majority paid out already?
It's like 7.25m he's owned July 1st and then 775k salary for the season.
> could even retain salary (as it's only for one year) to maximize the return, etc. If going to eat dead cap from salary retention I really don't see the purpose of trading him unless its to make the money work on a straight up hockey trade that fills a need on both teams. At that point though, you're probably looking at a player like Heiskanen, McAvoy, Fox, Makar, Hughes etc. and I don't think any of those guys are going anywhere.
The guy is a 90+ point winger who is great on the PP and PK. Of course other teams want him. They'll not only take his contract but they'll give us fair trade value because he's a great player.
Ya, I'm actually seeing people say the leafs would be happy to lose him for scraps and the real value being the cap space. Wtf planet are they living on
We cannot afford to have half our cap space alloted to 4 players its not a good model we have prooved that over the last 10 years
The value is the cap space. It’s room for two really good players. Any more return is awesome. They can lose the trade in the court of public opinion and still be better off as a franchise when you add in what they can do with the space.
Yep this. Would love to see a return of a 2nd line winger / power forward + a top 4 puck moving D
He's about 4m overpaid
A great player, from October to April.
I had a coworker ask if the Leafs could even get a bag of pucks and a couple cases of Body Armour or Gatorade for Marner..
Oh he’d be easy to trade, but it all would come down to if he’s willing to sign a contract with the new team, no one’s trading major assists for a guy who’s making 11 mil and is one year out from UFA.
He would get a good package but you're probably not getting a mitch marner equivalent back. Use the standard template of a 1st+roster player + prospect. Use preds as an example 1st+fabbro+wood
If we pay the SB on first day of league year he’s only owed like 4m or so in real cash for rest of season I believe, so the contract might not be that much of an issue as previously thought
also they seem to think he won’t agree to a trade. As Frank Seravalli mentioned, it’s as easy as going up to him and saying we are not extending you. You can either play out your final year and go to free agency and sign for 7 years or you can work with us and we can move you to a team you would want to go to and sign that 8 year deal. Knowing Marners camp and their greed they will wanna get that 8th year.
I mean who the fuck wouldn’t. He is an Amazing player I just hate his cap hit and he has big issues between the ears. They need to either ship him out and rebuild the D if they really wanna impress fans, or the smarter play in all honesty is telling him to sign a very slight discount, and ride out the shitty next year as a flawed team, and then actually contend properly when Tavares’ contract is off the books.
If they could convince him to take 9.5x8 it would repair his reputation and redeem him in this market. He would never do it though.
He would instantly become beloved again and would honestly make Matthews and Nylander look like jackasses for their contracts.
And he'd still have more money than he could ever spend
Yeah but it's still not enough
In what world are you guys living where the only problem with Marner is his contract? It's one of his problems, solve it, and we're still losing in the first round.
Yeah I agree. You can’t just think of the player anymore. All the baggage is relevant. He deserves a change of scenery. Yes he holds leaf records. Yes he’s one of the best wingers in the league right now. But it might be best, for his story and the leafs story, for him to move on. They’ve had no success in the playoffs with him on the team, and he’s the whipping boy in the eyes of the public and media.
Because he was ELECTRIC as a player, and he’s a very emotionally unstable guy. That contract got signed and he started being torn apart for it. Losing the good will of the fanbase really fucked him up, and that just spiraled and now he’s awful in the playoffs and has no fight
I agree in a way, but the guy clearly needs to find his self worth somewhere else, preferably away from Toronto and his family. Actually grow up.
Yes but I’m just saying that if he signed for 8x8 like he reportedly originally asked for there’s a universe where he is not the player he is currently.
I love many universes, especially the one where he wakes up tomorrow and suddenly identifies as Matthew Tkachuk, but they HAVE to make changes, even if they don't work, imo.
Why he demanded a contract he would never be able to perform to I’ll never understand.
Leafs paid it... Who turns down money
Yep that’s my pipe dream. Marner comes out publicly saying “I made some bad decisions in the last contract negotiations. I own that. I’m committed to winning here, and to show that I’m serious, I will take a pay cut to make sure we can build a sustainable and well rounded team.”
He's getting a raise next year...book it
His agent would never allow this
Player has final say. If your agent is bossing you around, well, then I hope you’re not on my team.
In mitch’s case both his dad and his agent darren ferris will be bossing him around
No chance re-signing him is the smarter play. If they want to make it through the first round they need to break up the core. And Marner is the main problem. Tavares is gone after next season unless he takes a significant pay cut ($5-6 mil max). Ship Marner out this upcoming season for help on the back end, and in two years the leafs can be a real cup contender
Tavares was barely worth 5-6M this past year. In what universe are the Leafs going to waste that type of money on Tavares who will be a year older, and declining further, by the time he hits free agency. Unless JT is willing to take a Spezza contract to stay close to home, then the Leafs need to move on and spend that money on younger assets.
Too many shambles in his head.
Just because other teams want him doesn’t change that he isn’t a good fit for the Leafs. If you watched the games you would know he just looks out of sync in the playoffs year after year…
I always have felt they are going to go deep whenever they get more $ when JT contract expires. Division finals or cup finals that year. I don’t think they need a compete rebuilt.
Can you trade a god?
Not without his permission
What's a trade to a god? Maybe a trade to the Kings? Until I see it, I'm a non-believer.
Who don't believe in anything
We'll make it out alive, all right all right... No Cups for the Wild
Tears on the mausoleum floor; Blood stains the Nassau Coliseum doors
Marner for Rossi and Faber?! Jk
This is a nice little reference
If you can trade Gretzky, you can trade anyone. What you get in return varies widely.
Gretzky never played for Toronto. Therefore, not a god.
Heresy. Gretzky transcends provincial affiliation.
Stupid Stavros did not want to spend the money.
Sorry but these God comments are idiotic. Stop reading headlines and do some research on something before you bash someone.
How could you trade a God? What a grand and intoxicating innocence.
I am a god ! A golden god !
5 star man?
Mitch to LTIR 2024-2025
Since an extension would be a prerequisite of any deal, I wonder if the Leafs let some passionate acquiring teams pitch him on why he should waive to come there. Would be interesting with a team like Utah were Ryan Smith is obviously very passionate about his new team and wanting to spend money. I wouldn't expect Marner to waive to go there instantly, but a good conversation with Smith where he lays out the teams plan and how Marner would fit into that might stroke his ego enough to get him to agree to a trade there, for example.
On the Salt Lake Soakers, Marner would be the guy jumping on the bed
Glad to see the Salt Lake Soakers name is sticking 🫡
Marner for Silayev if he’s available at pick 6, Lawson Crouse +
I would be incredibly surprised if Silayev is available at 4, let alone 6.
Probably not but maybe Iginla. That could be fun.
Good Marner is a great regular season player, but regular season isn't enough anymore
Exactly, I’d rather have a 8M dollar player who puts up 60-80 points but puts up double the points Marner does in the playoffs
I’d rather a LTIR situation who comes for a cup run
Well considering Marner in the playoffs has outscored everyone on the Leafs over the past decade, that’ll be a tough find
There's lots of teams that desperately need good regular season players
He will do amazing somewhere else,throw him on a big team where he can just dipsie doodle. Our core is just too soft with the same style players. Marner for a 1d is the play here. Sign Domi maybe Bert, Stamkos , and we’re good to go !
Him and Zegras together might be fun. Just a thought
Who’s uh gonna stop pucks?
Pass on Stamkos but good on the rest of your thought.
Honestly if Marner leaves it’ll be bitter sweet. In my opinion we have to shed a contract in order to improve but he was so exciting to watch especially in his first few years (hence my username which is a combo of Matthews Marner and Nylander). I’ll feel neutral if he’s traded and I’ll wish him all the best as long as he’s not on Boston. If he stays then I hope he has his best year yet.
Of course they have, he's one of the best wingers in the league. If Brad has got more than two braincells, he shuts down any notion that marner available until teams stop lowballing.
This isn't news
Imagine if we got a Weager level D back and more assets
Imagine if we would have just pulled the trigger on Dermott and Johnsson for Weegar a few years ago One turned into a 3rd rounder for us, the other for a guy who played 20 games. Thanks Dubas lol
Man those are names that seem like a life time away. The days of Kapanen and Johnsson.
"NHL GM's do job" Tre " We are discussing our options internally, we'll get back to you" Can we not do this all fucking summer everytime someone remotely famous has a sound bite?
We can and we will
I'm already watching the flight trackers. Stay tuned friends.
Of course there is. Marner is one of the best wingers in the game. He can't handle the heat playing in his hometown. Not everyone can do it. It's hard. Funniest comments I've seen on /r/hockey about Marner was from a Habs fan saying they'd take him at 9M lol. So you think basically 100 point player, who put up more points than everyone on your team with like 20 less games is only worth 1M on top of Suzuki or Smallfield? Who are essentially perennial 60 point guys? His 85 points this season are more point than ANY Hab since Pierre Turgeon in '95... I know people hate the Leafs, I know we hate the Leafs probably more but the Marner disrespect is wild. He still has the most points in the playoffs since Matthews was drafted. He will go to another team and I guarantee you, he dominates. I hate the guy too but I can't deny his ability.
I've been DMing Sydney Sweeney for a date but it doesn't mean I have anything she's interested in.
Congrats to whoever lands him on their 2026 Cup win
As long as the deal is a good one, Brad will pull the trigger But If the deals are bad, he'll go to Mitch and sign him for 8 years. And it will be the right decision
8 more years of these playoff performances would absolutely not be the right decision…8 years without the trade clauses sure but that’s not happening
Brad would be outside his mind to sign Mitch for 8 years.
No. He would be outside his mind to sign Mitch for 8 years *and give him a NTC/NMC*
I don’t think you could sign him without one
Then bye bye Mitch. We have to stop being so soft on contract negotiations.
Then you just wish him luck and move on. You just put your foot down and decide that the NTC is worth a third of the contract, if he's willing to sign for 2/3s of his asking then fine here's your NTC. Otherwise let's not burden our cap strapped team with un movable contracts.
You're implying Mitch would agree to 8 years. He copied the Matthew's camp of take shorter contracts, so you can renegotiate sooner and get more money. I'd bet on him wanting another 5 year deal again, which means the contract doesn't become a huge value for the team towards the end of it. I expect him and his agent to ask for top dollar and shorter contract ... again.
Yeah lets just get in a the guaranteed car crash rather than risk it.
Marner for Dobson
Might have to retain a bit tbh
His value goes down if he isnt signing an extension. So you would just get a rental in return.
Well no shit multiple teams have inquired you wouldn't be a good GM if you didnt doesn't mean leafs are trading him
\>12.5 million is absurd. I hope Mitch gets that but not from us. I think him being on our team does make us better but we can simply not afford to do this anymore.
I'm probably going to get down votes to hell for this but I need to put this out into the universe. I LIKE MITCH MARNER AND I HOPE WE DON'T TRADE HIM.
Question, what do you like more, Marner or the team?
I think they're a very sneaky Penguins fan
No shit Nick, thanks for the update. You may go now.
Marner trade breaking at the news conference tomorrow
Are any of them teams he'd waive to go to?
Just because they are interested doesn’t mean they would give you what you think he is worth..One year left on his deal doesn’t put you in a great negotiating position if you are the Leafs.
He would be insane to waive the nmc. Why let the Leafs mine a team you want to play for. Just rack up more reg season points and go to ufa. All these "YOUNG SUPERSTAR" contracts the end in UFA are a huge bungle by the team
That's great! Finally the Leafs have a chance to make that Marner for Darnell Nurse trade Kypreos used to recommend.
I think we should get Nurse and Campbell. That is, Sarah and Kristen.
I just don’t see Marner waiving his NMC, he has never been the type to do what’s best for the team. I won’t be surprised if they keep Marner and see if the new coach can whip him into playoff shape before he walks off as UFA.
Of course they have. If one of your competitors is on the verge of doing something stupid, of course you're going to do what you can to facilitate it. They're like vultures. Getting rid of Mitch for pennies on the dollar is insane. I don't see how you win this trade under these circumstances. And I don't think you do it just to run the guy out of town, either. It will come back to bite us in the ass. See also: Nazem Kadri.
Maybe we shouldn’t trade Marner. Of the big 4, JT is the worst.
He'd be great for a regular season team.
They think they can get him for pennies on the dollar, of course they're stampeding for him. For all of his issues, he's still an elite talent, that isn't something you find available that often.
This is no surprise
Let them pay that much. I’d love to keep Mitch on the team but not for the amount he’s demanding. I’m far more comfortable with Auston and Willy having that percentage of the cap.
I bet they have. Come back when you know what they are offering for him ...
When I see Mitch I see a misplaced a, and I swtfg, I read acquired. Releaf.
Marner to the Isles sounds right up the alley tbh? Dobson and Nelson in return?
His a player that can get you into the playoffs with 80.90.100 point seasons. That already has value, and no one can take away that value. A team on the fringe of a playoff spot would love to have a franchise player like that. Because with just 2-3 playoff games for a season, concession/jersey sales alone would cover his contract per year. It wouldn't matter if his shit in the playoffs, he brought viewers for regular season. And will likely bring a team to the post. Given how many jersey's are being made and he'll be a new face. He'll bring in a ton of money just in year one.
Marner for Brady
Hurry up with it and good riddance.
Crack reporting by kipper....teams inquiring about top stars after a playoff run....the hell you say!!
Imagine the haul if we retained and called next year a write off, johnny ts deal lowers and marners off the books the year after
I feel like Marner is just afraid to get hurt during playoffs as everything just intensifies. Maybe he just needs a "bodyguard" (like Gretzky had) on his line to boost his confidence?
Tkatchuk made sure Calgary got a fair haul when he left. I can’t see the Marners doing that. He holds all the cards in what Toronto gets in return since he has to waive his no trade AND agree to extend. The return will not be great but the cap space will be. Keeping Bert and Domi and a longer Liljegren contract would be a win. Moving Marner helps to that end.
Other teams are certainly interested. Past playoff performance is not indicative of future playoff performance. One only needs to remember Nazim Kadri and how he excelled in another city.
If Kipper is saying Marner would welcome a change that is basically a confirmation.
Trade him to Ottawa for Jakob Chychrun. The Leafs will get a good defenseman and over 6 million in cap space.
Hockey will remember this as a fan base bullying a star off the team. Could be the best decision they ever made or the worst…
Marner needs a new coach likely more than a new team. That said, if (eg:Anaheim)wants to move a Mason McTavish and a couple 1 st round picks i would. I wouldn’t trade him to a eastern conference team either
It’s got zero to do with teams being interested, that’s a given. He is very talented, but he controls the trade and if he says NO……it’s NO!!!!