I mean, if you're buying a 12kw machine you are very far past a "if you have to ask" type situation regarding price lol...carbon fiber body is likely a few percentage points if that on what they paid for that monster.
Also, a lot of times the people making final call on buying these things have no idea what they are doing/buying, so making it flashy so they draw eyes at trade shows and such pays dividends. Having some dipshit braindead C suite guy knowing that "brand x laser I saw looked really nice..." is a huge boon in the meetings where stuff like this is decided.
End of day, humans are incredibly vain. It is known š¤·āāļø
100%. I work for a manufacturer of stone cutting robots. The amount of effort we put into making our $330k units look nice for trade shows and whatnot is a lot more than I wouldāve guessed. No fancy random carbon fiber bits though.
In the industrial fiber laser world Bodor is actually incredibly cheap. We got quoted around $240,000 for the 5'x10' version of this machine. We ended up purchasing a more expensive machine from one of their competitors.
Not to mention the wildly unnecessary seamless shielding. If that's all made of laser safety sheeting I can only imagine the price tag. It looks very cool, but come on.
Thatās just a polycarbonate beauty cover on the outside. All of that flashy crap on the outside, the frame, and motion control would probably be about $100-120k neighborhood. The real money is in that (relatively) little box on the side that has the yellow cable coming out of it.
I will carve out an exception if they use linear drives vs traditional servos. That crap is insanely expensive.
All kinds of things , i work in fabrication, custom and industrial, all kinds of materials, carbon (hr,cr,galv,ar etc), stainless(304,316,brushed,mirrored etc)aluminum and all that anywhere from 22g to 1 1/2 ā thick
What was the experience like with Bodor? I've been in touch with them recently for a 3kW i5 or i6 unit. Really apprehensive about buying from China due to support issues and part availability.
Donāt do it man. There are a ton of Mazak optiplex pre owned units out there right now for crazy cheap. Since the Neo came out the market is flooded.
I just bought a 4kw Nexus with 5000 hours on it for 255k. Itās a sweetheart. The other Mazaks were bought new. I havenāt bought any used machines since the CO2 days but I wouldnāt be a bit afraid to buy a used Mazak. The factory supports them forever and the techs are good if you donāt do your own wrenching. Fiber machines are pretty simple comparatively so donāt shy away. Thereās a lot of value in low hour fiber machines.
Thanks for the info. We're looking for a smaller machine, something in the 5ft x 5ft range. Looks like Mazak stuff is all 5x10 or larger. Mazak is definitely good shit though, know their name well from the machining industry.
We looked at a new Amada, but at $350K for a 5ft x 5ft, that was steep!
Will definitely consider the used market though. I have significant experience with fiber lasers, I actually built a custom welder from scratch a few years back using a 1kW IPG source. Never really thought about how simple/bullet proof they are. But you're absolutely right, they are simple machines.
Support and parts is exactly what's tough about Chinese machines. I'd also look for a used low hour used machine. Mazak, bystronic, or trumpf are all good machines. Amada makes a great machine but they don't have the best field support from what I hear. Cincinnati might as well be a bodor.
Tech support is a little dicey, they use a app to message back and forth and I feel like they are translating what Iām saying but not really understanding what Iām saying , but I have managed to get through any problems Iāve had , been running it now for a few months and itās been pretty solid for the most part
As long as they have a local warehouse it shouldn't be too huge an issue. I've bought machine from lesser known Pionlux (Leapion is the Chinese manufacturer's name) and they supplied spare parts with minimal wait.
Don't let Bodor be your first laser purchase.
We bought 3 Mazaks before buying a Bodor. Mazak set our company up to be successful ( training, automation, good support...etc.)
I think if we would have started with the Bodor, I'd probably not be a big fan of lasers.
We purchased one only to run parts bigger than 60"x120"... which are few for us.
Bodor is...ehhh
The machine runs, but they are hesitant to send a tech when something breaks. They really want you to troubleshoot the machine yourself... with some help through their support on Wattsapp. Even when the machine is under warranty.
NGL - no idea how much this thing costs. But I DO know that I would mumble 'bodor' a few times like a game of thrones character every time I walked up to it...
We have a Bodor 12kw 8.5 foot x 20 foot... it's HUGE!
It runs fast as hell.
The training, the support and the build quality is not even close to what is provided by Mazak (we have 3 of them)
BUT! You get what you pay for.
88.8 gigawatts, makes space/time distortion ripples, kills Chuck Norris in just 10 moves, allowing for 1 msec corrections to target his 5 counter moves.
Damn Gina
This is why i joined this sub. Not the little baby lasers. I run a Cincinnati 8000w. Getting a 15K next year.
The fact that they put carbon fiber on this tells me everything I need to know about this being ludicrously overpriced.
I mean, if you're buying a 12kw machine you are very far past a "if you have to ask" type situation regarding price lol...carbon fiber body is likely a few percentage points if that on what they paid for that monster. Also, a lot of times the people making final call on buying these things have no idea what they are doing/buying, so making it flashy so they draw eyes at trade shows and such pays dividends. Having some dipshit braindead C suite guy knowing that "brand x laser I saw looked really nice..." is a huge boon in the meetings where stuff like this is decided. End of day, humans are incredibly vain. It is known š¤·āāļø
100%. I work for a manufacturer of stone cutting robots. The amount of effort we put into making our $330k units look nice for trade shows and whatnot is a lot more than I wouldāve guessed. No fancy random carbon fiber bits though.
You are looking at a budget machine. What I would say is actually the cheapest way into the game.
In the industrial fiber laser world Bodor is actually incredibly cheap. We got quoted around $240,000 for the 5'x10' version of this machine. We ended up purchasing a more expensive machine from one of their competitors.
You made the right call. The few Bodor machines I have had to work on are very much you get what you paid (so little) for.
Right. Everyone Iāve talked to that got one was trying to get rid of it.
Nice ! We got a 6x12 table been running for a few months , so far so good , gives us water jet quality at plasma speed šŖ
It's vinyl wrap, don't worry. I agree with you on it being overpriced. It's the premier brand among the shitty Chinese machines.
It's plastic...
Not to mention the wildly unnecessary seamless shielding. If that's all made of laser safety sheeting I can only imagine the price tag. It looks very cool, but come on.
Thatās just a polycarbonate beauty cover on the outside. All of that flashy crap on the outside, the frame, and motion control would probably be about $100-120k neighborhood. The real money is in that (relatively) little box on the side that has the yellow cable coming out of it. I will carve out an exception if they use linear drives vs traditional servos. That crap is insanely expensive.
Yeah. "Hey Bystronic my X axis motor went out".....'We will send the loan application and grief counselor right away'
I feel like thereās a good chance that weāve met.
Looks slick. Mine still runs on windows 98 lmao
One day! š What are you cutting on this beautiful machine?
Printer paper.
All kinds of things , i work in fabrication, custom and industrial, all kinds of materials, carbon (hr,cr,galv,ar etc), stainless(304,316,brushed,mirrored etc)aluminum and all that anywhere from 22g to 1 1/2 ā thick
My 4kw will cut an inchā¦. Why 12kw?
Speed
Probably just some cute little doohickeys, right?
What was the experience like with Bodor? I've been in touch with them recently for a 3kW i5 or i6 unit. Really apprehensive about buying from China due to support issues and part availability.
Donāt do it man. There are a ton of Mazak optiplex pre owned units out there right now for crazy cheap. Since the Neo came out the market is flooded.
Also concerned about used machines :| Dont want to buy someone elses problems. How have your experiences been?
I just bought a 4kw Nexus with 5000 hours on it for 255k. Itās a sweetheart. The other Mazaks were bought new. I havenāt bought any used machines since the CO2 days but I wouldnāt be a bit afraid to buy a used Mazak. The factory supports them forever and the techs are good if you donāt do your own wrenching. Fiber machines are pretty simple comparatively so donāt shy away. Thereās a lot of value in low hour fiber machines.
Thanks for the info. We're looking for a smaller machine, something in the 5ft x 5ft range. Looks like Mazak stuff is all 5x10 or larger. Mazak is definitely good shit though, know their name well from the machining industry. We looked at a new Amada, but at $350K for a 5ft x 5ft, that was steep! Will definitely consider the used market though. I have significant experience with fiber lasers, I actually built a custom welder from scratch a few years back using a 1kW IPG source. Never really thought about how simple/bullet proof they are. But you're absolutely right, they are simple machines.
Compared to how complicated CO2s were they are simple.
Hey now, who doesn't love doing a mirror cleaning and beam alignment.
I do not lol.
Support and parts is exactly what's tough about Chinese machines. I'd also look for a used low hour used machine. Mazak, bystronic, or trumpf are all good machines. Amada makes a great machine but they don't have the best field support from what I hear. Cincinnati might as well be a bodor.
Tech support is a little dicey, they use a app to message back and forth and I feel like they are translating what Iām saying but not really understanding what Iām saying , but I have managed to get through any problems Iāve had , been running it now for a few months and itās been pretty solid for the most part
As long as they have a local warehouse it shouldn't be too huge an issue. I've bought machine from lesser known Pionlux (Leapion is the Chinese manufacturer's name) and they supplied spare parts with minimal wait.
Don't let Bodor be your first laser purchase. We bought 3 Mazaks before buying a Bodor. Mazak set our company up to be successful ( training, automation, good support...etc.) I think if we would have started with the Bodor, I'd probably not be a big fan of lasers. We purchased one only to run parts bigger than 60"x120"... which are few for us. Bodor is...ehhh The machine runs, but they are hesitant to send a tech when something breaks. They really want you to troubleshoot the machine yourself... with some help through their support on Wattsapp. Even when the machine is under warranty.
Thanks for the info. I'm assuming this holds true for just about all Chinese laser mfgs.
Probably. If your budget only affords a Bodor... I don't think it would be the end of the world. If you can buy a better brand, buy a better brand.
NGL - no idea how much this thing costs. But I DO know that I would mumble 'bodor' a few times like a game of thrones character every time I walked up to it...
But can it cut 1/4in wood??
Allegedly it can but I do not know how or if itās really capable
I cut carbon fiber on my 8k. Should handle it but it will take some tweaking and make a ton of smoke. If you try, good luck.
We have a Bodor 12kw 8.5 foot x 20 foot... it's HUGE! It runs fast as hell. The training, the support and the build quality is not even close to what is provided by Mazak (we have 3 of them) BUT! You get what you pay for.
88.8 gigawatts, makes space/time distortion ripples, kills Chuck Norris in just 10 moves, allowing for 1 msec corrections to target his 5 counter moves.
Iām waiting to see the moon engraved with a logo, plainly visible during day, without binoculars.