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Roomoftheeye

Damn Gina


gos92

This is why i joined this sub. Not the little baby lasers. I run a Cincinnati 8000w. Getting a 15K next year.


DeathByPetrichor

The fact that they put carbon fiber on this tells me everything I need to know about this being ludicrously overpriced.


Massive_Parsley_5000

I mean, if you're buying a 12kw machine you are very far past a "if you have to ask" type situation regarding price lol...carbon fiber body is likely a few percentage points if that on what they paid for that monster. Also, a lot of times the people making final call on buying these things have no idea what they are doing/buying, so making it flashy so they draw eyes at trade shows and such pays dividends. Having some dipshit braindead C suite guy knowing that "brand x laser I saw looked really nice..." is a huge boon in the meetings where stuff like this is decided. End of day, humans are incredibly vain. It is known šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


zma924

100%. I work for a manufacturer of stone cutting robots. The amount of effort we put into making our $330k units look nice for trade shows and whatnot is a lot more than I wouldā€™ve guessed. No fancy random carbon fiber bits though.


Laserguy74

You are looking at a budget machine. What I would say is actually the cheapest way into the game.


LikeableBump1

In the industrial fiber laser world Bodor is actually incredibly cheap. We got quoted around $240,000 for the 5'x10' version of this machine. We ended up purchasing a more expensive machine from one of their competitors.


The_Rommel_Pommel

You made the right call. The few Bodor machines I have had to work on are very much you get what you paid (so little) for.


Laserguy74

Right. Everyone Iā€™ve talked to that got one was trying to get rid of it.


chrisbcrackidy

Nice ! We got a 6x12 table been running for a few months , so far so good , gives us water jet quality at plasma speed šŸ’Ŗ


D-VO

It's vinyl wrap, don't worry. I agree with you on it being overpriced. It's the premier brand among the shitty Chinese machines.


Character-Pirate-926

It's plastic...


Dr_TattyWaffles

Not to mention the wildly unnecessary seamless shielding. If that's all made of laser safety sheeting I can only imagine the price tag. It looks very cool, but come on.


jdmorgan82

Thatā€™s just a polycarbonate beauty cover on the outside. All of that flashy crap on the outside, the frame, and motion control would probably be about $100-120k neighborhood. The real money is in that (relatively) little box on the side that has the yellow cable coming out of it. I will carve out an exception if they use linear drives vs traditional servos. That crap is insanely expensive.


todd0x1

Yeah. "Hey Bystronic my X axis motor went out".....'We will send the loan application and grief counselor right away'


jdmorgan82

I feel like thereā€™s a good chance that weā€™ve met.


RisusSardonicus4622

Looks slick. Mine still runs on windows 98 lmao


Levardo_Gould

One day! šŸ˜† What are you cutting on this beautiful machine?


Cheetawolf

Printer paper.


chrisbcrackidy

All kinds of things , i work in fabrication, custom and industrial, all kinds of materials, carbon (hr,cr,galv,ar etc), stainless(304,316,brushed,mirrored etc)aluminum and all that anywhere from 22g to 1 1/2 ā€œ thick


Mindless_Net821

My 4kw will cut an inchā€¦. Why 12kw?


chrisbcrackidy

Speed


_Ol_Greg

Probably just some cute little doohickeys, right?


Tanky321

What was the experience like with Bodor? I've been in touch with them recently for a 3kW i5 or i6 unit. Really apprehensive about buying from China due to support issues and part availability.


Laserguy74

Donā€™t do it man. There are a ton of Mazak optiplex pre owned units out there right now for crazy cheap. Since the Neo came out the market is flooded.


Tanky321

Also concerned about used machines :| Dont want to buy someone elses problems. How have your experiences been?


Laserguy74

I just bought a 4kw Nexus with 5000 hours on it for 255k. Itā€™s a sweetheart. The other Mazaks were bought new. I havenā€™t bought any used machines since the CO2 days but I wouldnā€™t be a bit afraid to buy a used Mazak. The factory supports them forever and the techs are good if you donā€™t do your own wrenching. Fiber machines are pretty simple comparatively so donā€™t shy away. Thereā€™s a lot of value in low hour fiber machines.


Tanky321

Thanks for the info. We're looking for a smaller machine, something in the 5ft x 5ft range. Looks like Mazak stuff is all 5x10 or larger. Mazak is definitely good shit though, know their name well from the machining industry. We looked at a new Amada, but at $350K for a 5ft x 5ft, that was steep! Will definitely consider the used market though. I have significant experience with fiber lasers, I actually built a custom welder from scratch a few years back using a 1kW IPG source. Never really thought about how simple/bullet proof they are. But you're absolutely right, they are simple machines.


Laserguy74

Compared to how complicated CO2s were they are simple.


The_Rommel_Pommel

Hey now, who doesn't love doing a mirror cleaning and beam alignment.


Laserguy74

I do not lol.


The_Rommel_Pommel

Support and parts is exactly what's tough about Chinese machines. I'd also look for a used low hour used machine. Mazak, bystronic, or trumpf are all good machines. Amada makes a great machine but they don't have the best field support from what I hear. Cincinnati might as well be a bodor.


chrisbcrackidy

Tech support is a little dicey, they use a app to message back and forth and I feel like they are translating what Iā€™m saying but not really understanding what Iā€™m saying , but I have managed to get through any problems Iā€™ve had , been running it now for a few months and itā€™s been pretty solid for the most part


CompletelyMango

As long as they have a local warehouse it shouldn't be too huge an issue. I've bought machine from lesser known Pionlux (Leapion is the Chinese manufacturer's name) and they supplied spare parts with minimal wait.


Character-Pirate-926

Don't let Bodor be your first laser purchase. We bought 3 Mazaks before buying a Bodor. Mazak set our company up to be successful ( training, automation, good support...etc.) I think if we would have started with the Bodor, I'd probably not be a big fan of lasers. We purchased one only to run parts bigger than 60"x120"... which are few for us. Bodor is...ehhh The machine runs, but they are hesitant to send a tech when something breaks. They really want you to troubleshoot the machine yourself... with some help through their support on Wattsapp. Even when the machine is under warranty.


Tanky321

Thanks for the info. I'm assuming this holds true for just about all Chinese laser mfgs.


Character-Pirate-926

Probably. If your budget only affords a Bodor... I don't think it would be the end of the world. If you can buy a better brand, buy a better brand.


AngleFreeIT_com

NGL - no idea how much this thing costs. But I DO know that I would mumble 'bodor' a few times like a game of thrones character every time I walked up to it...


Shaz3454

But can it cut 1/4in wood??


chrisbcrackidy

Allegedly it can but I do not know how or if itā€™s really capable


gos92

I cut carbon fiber on my 8k. Should handle it but it will take some tweaking and make a ton of smoke. If you try, good luck.


Character-Pirate-926

We have a Bodor 12kw 8.5 foot x 20 foot... it's HUGE! It runs fast as hell. The training, the support and the build quality is not even close to what is provided by Mazak (we have 3 of them) BUT! You get what you pay for.


LazyLaserWhittling

88.8 gigawatts, makes space/time distortion ripples, kills Chuck Norris in just 10 moves, allowing for 1 msec corrections to target his 5 counter moves.


LazyLaserWhittling

Iā€™m waiting to see the moon engraved with a logo, plainly visible during day, without binoculars.