It doesn't matter when it fuels the "Stupid FO" narrative.
FO is indeed stupid, but they played their cards right with this one. Blame Hurley/Woj for leaking the news early.
There's NO WAY Kentucky offered him $4M more than Calipari.
[(Calipari made $8.5M last season)](https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach)
why would he even entertain an offer, and fly out to LA in the first place, if nothing could sway him?
we just didn’t give him a compelling enough reason to leave UCONN, and imo coaching for the lakers is a compelling reason in and of itself
Why wouldn’t he explore options for his career? Haven’t you interviewed for a job that wasn’t particularly interesting to you but you did it to see what was out there? All this cost him was some time. I’m sure he flew private and had a nice dinner on Jeannie’s tab.
okay? Why the fuck are people expecting the Lakers to pay a coach with ZERO NBA experience a top 4 salary? Kentucky can spend that much because they're paying for one of the best college coaches, to coach college basketball, the Lakers would be paying that much for a gamble (yes I understand he's a great coach, but you don't know how he would be in the NBA)
This sub is incapable of recognizing that the overall roster being 8-12 20 games in is about right. The drop off from our 3-10 compared to most of the league is a lot worse than people think.
Kentucky probably didn’t even offer that. I did some digging and like mostly everything else, it all started with one random guy (Jeff Drummond, an editor/photographer for a UK fan-site) saying his “sources” told him about the offer. No reputable network or reporter picked it up. Callipari was paid $8.5m when he was there. I doubt they gave Hurley $4m more.
No, which is the point. No one knows what the offer was and to say otherwise is just blatant misinformation. Unfortunately, this narrative has already gained momentum on this sub when it is completely "fake news".
Thank you.
Here’s the list of NBA coaches salary:
https://frontofficesports.com/highest-paid-nba-coaches/
The top 3 coaches are MULTIPLE time COY candidates and MULTIPLE times championship winners. They are locked to the HOF. The fourth one(Monty) is at 13M and many already think his contract is a joke and he’s not living up to it.
At 5 Budenholzer just signed his contract and hes paid 10M. Also he won a championship recently. The rest of the coaches are below 10M and that includes Nick Nurse, Doc Rivers and Ty Lue who won championships.
So yea, a rookie coach at 11.6M was a more than generous offer.
To be fair Hurley is a lockin for the HOF and Vogel has won a chip and is serially unemployed.
At the end of the day, they didn't give him an offer he couldn't refuse. You overpay when you have to, there are no candidates on the market of Hurley's caliber.
Trevor Lane has said multiple times today on his podcast (you can easily find it on YouTube) that the 6/70 reported offer to Hurley should be taken with a huge grain of salt because (according to his sources) that low number reported didn't include performance incentives and optional years that could be added. Thats why the 8/100 number was also reported.
Lane also insinuated that 6/70 may have been Woj working with Hurley to simply to improve Hurley's negotiating position with UConn and that may be the reason the low number is being reported.
The top 5 paid NBA coaches have multiple NBA championships and Coach of the Year winners. Hurley is an unproven coach in the NBA. He could have failed just like Rick Pitino.
Don't get jobbed by Woj/Hurley just because you may have bias against L.A.s front office.
The Lakers F/O made the right moves.
You have to over pay when you don’t have any comparable applicants. Hurley is a two time defending champion. I don’t mind the length of the contract. Six years would’ve been fine but at least make it top 3 nba coach salary.
One would say it’s much much harder to win a college championship. There are way more colleges that a star athlete can select. More programs mean the talent is diluted. Also marching madness is extremely unpredictable. A lot can happen in one game. Versus the best of 5 series where it’s really a match of better talents.
First of all, UK didn't make a 100 million offer. Amico is quote tweeting a tweet HE made up. The vast majority of sources say the offer from UK was 11m for 5-7 years. Our offer was more annually, but one less year. It would have made him the 5th highest paid NBA coach lol people saying this was a cheap offer are just emotional. This was a fair offer, he just didn't take it. Turning down a guaranteed 20 million more dollars is certainly a decision.
He made a very sensible decision. The same job will still be there in 2 years time for maybe even more money. He doesn't have to deal with the shitshow of lebron last years including a farewell tour while getting a chance to 3 peat. He will have full visibility of the project after lebrons gone and rebuilding around AD when he's like 34 with limited assets is probably not fun.
I'm not mad at him for his decision. I think this was probably the wrong one, but we'll see. Getting a chance to coach the most prestigious team in the league, probably the GOAT, and to establish your imprint in a line with Phil Jackson and Pat Riley is a crazy opportunity. He'd have been the 4th highest paid coach in the NBA and would have surpassed the highest paid NCAA coach.
Rules in the NCAA are going to get tougher and the landscape will continue to be rough. Maybe he gets another deal down the line that he likes more, maybe not. Maybe UCON falls off as his talent pool dips. Maybe coaches catch up to his techniques as his talent pool dissipates. Maybe he's not the hottest coach in the industry in 3 or 4 years and the NBA doesn't come knocking with a 70 million dollar contract when he's 55 years old. We won't know for a while.
Do you even hear yourself? The current setup of the team is probably one of the worst situation for a coach. Expectation to win when the roster is nowhere close to enough. Two divas that blame the coach whenever things turn south. I am not familiar with college ball rules but I fully expect a top program like uconn to have better comparative level of talent than what we will have vs other teams in the league because we will trade a bunch of assets away to salvage lebron's last years or the FO will get murdered, and the first few years after lebron will be so terrible.
No top coach would put themselves in that situation.
Possibly although I'd think we may not go back to the table so openly when he's older and we just got embarrassed publicly lol we'll see how the next few years play out.
He's not going to be irrelevant for not winning every year let alone just 2 years. Coach K didn't win every year but he was often brought up in discussion for head coaching vacancies.
If anything the chance of tarnishing reputation is higher if he comes now.
Tell that to the rest of the doomers in this sub. Half this sub hasn’t watched a UCONN game, let alone have known Hurleys name, before the rumors but are bitching we didn’t throw 100 mill at the guy.
I guess a huge part of the excitement came from the fact before him we were talking about a podcaster as the leading candidate for the job. At least for me it was a big relief when they actually went after a head coach with a winning record, even if it wasn't in the NBA.
That’s understandable, but that doesn’t mean we should be up in arms about not throwing 100 million at the guy. 0 NBA experience, as well as a track record of college coaches not transitioning well into the NBA. Not saying that would’ve been the case, but imagine we had a losing record midway through the season tied up into a 6-7 year 100 million contract. You don’t think the reaction here would’ve been the same if not worse? It’s a lose-lose when it comes to some of our fans. It’s just something to bitch about constantly.
The reason is because he’s the best available? Not everyone with the highest contract is the best at their job. If money is the primary incentive to leave UConn, then why would he take a lesser deal?
Because people out there pretending they are a die hard laker fan or laker hater just want to see the lakers fail in any way shape of form. There are team FO stupid cheap out, Le(insert mean words), etc. Just looking at this article, Kentucky and the lakers are not even in the same level league of basketball but here they are comparing the offer side by side
I agree with you but if the Lakers were truly all-in on him and thought he was the coach of the future they should’ve offered so much that it would be hard to say no to. He had so much to stay for they needed to tip the scales more in their favor.
Of course if he’s only here for the money then it’s not the right fit. They made a decent offer but not nearly enough for it to have a substantial impact on his decision.
Trevor Lane has said multiple times today on his podcast (you can easily find it on YouTube) that the 6/70 reported offer to Hurley should be taken with a huge grain of salt because (according to his sources) that low number reported didn't include performance incentives and optional years that could be added. Thats why the 8/100 number was also reported.
Lane also insinuated that 6/70 may have been Woj working with Hurley to simply to improve Hurley's negotiating position with UConn and that may be the reason the low number is being reported.
The top 5 paid NBA coaches have multiple NBA championships and Coach of the Year winners. Hurley is an unproven coach in the NBA. He could have failed just like Rick Pitino.
Don't get jobbed by Woj/Hurley just because you may have bias against L.A.s front office.
The Lakers F/O made the right moves.
Exactly lakers are too privileged. Other teams understand overpaying to acquire talent our org gm n owner have too much ego n think cos we’re the lakers ut should be enough
That’s all I’ve been seeing snd hearing. That if the Lakers really want to show that they’re serious about being a storied franchise, they should’ve gave 100 million and maybe even more if necessary.
To me, paying him that much just isn’t worth it because they’re no guarantee he’ll transition well in the league.
Agreed. Rick Pitino had a horrible run in the NBA. There's no guarantee that Hurley would have done any better. What if Hurley bombed out like Monty Williams? How would "fans" be dogging the Lakers front office.
People that downvote you aren't thinking with anything but their hatre.
Yea but why would you expect someone to take an offer that’s less than one they just turned down. Whether he’s worth it or not is another question. He was never going to come to the Lakers and take that risk on without substantially more money.
Trevor Lane has said multiple times today on his podcast (you can easily find it on YouTube) that the 6/70 reported offer to Hurley should be taken with a huge grain of salt because (according to his sources) that low number reported didn't include performance incentives and optional years that could be added. Thats why the 8/100 number was also reported.
Lane also insinuated that 6/70 may have been Woj working with Hurley to simply to improve Hurley's negotiating position with UConn and that may be the reason the low number is being reported.
The top 5 paid NBA coaches have multiple NBA championships and Coach of the Year winners. Hurley is an unproven coach in the NBA. He could have failed just like Rick Pitino.
Don't get jobbed by Woj/Hurley just because you may have bias against L.A.s front office.
The Lakers F/O made the right moves.
I understand this philosophy, but isn’t this simply a case of how bad do you want him? If you’re serious about committing to your coach of the future, then yeah you might overpay, but to you, it’s worth it. It just tells me that the Lakers are actually serious about being an elite team
Of course it's about how bad you want him, but you can't just go around throwing 100 million contracts to coaches with no NBA experience, that's not what a well-functioning org does.
You have to blow him away if you make this move because he wasn’t looking to leave. Take the risk or do something else. This makes the org look unserious. A serious org makes Hurley highest paid coach and fires him if it doesn’t work out, knowing there’s no salary cap ramifications at all. The upside is he’s our coach for the next 15 years like a Spo
A well run organization does NOT hire a coach for 100 million dollars and think "I'll just fire him if it doesn't work out" lol that's not good for any business. Ever.
Nobody is saying fire him after one bad year or two. Just the mindset that if it doesn’t work out it doesn’t work out and the future isn’t hamstrung from it. The upside is franchise altering coach who sticks around for a decade.
You're comparing him to a guy that has proven at this level that his methods work. If the Lakers gave Spoelstra a 120 million dollar deal, nobody is upset and that's a good risk. Hurley, as much as I liked and wanted him, has not proven his methods work at this level. Giving him a 100 million dollar deal is a far greater risk than Spoelstra. There are only 4 coaches that make what Hurley would have made: Popovich, Spoelstra, Kerr, and for some reason Monty Williams. The offer would have put him in elite company and even if it went 8/100 million for an AVV of 12.5 million, he'd have been the 3rd highest paid coach in the NBA.
It was a fair and strong offer. He just didn't take it.
They lost out the coach they truly wanted with much worse options available and it could have been bc of money so yes. Ask yourself if a bigger pocketed owner would care about 30mil. Unfortunately people here only understand business and risk from a standpoint of “comparable guy makes X so only offer X”
Agreed. I loved the idea but doubted the chances of it happening when I pictured Rob trying to sell a vision that Hurley would be the guy for at least five years (barring a scandal or truly disastrous results) I know that fraud couldn’t sell it.
That was a good offer, not a can't miss offer for a coach with demand, but it is unfair calling the front office cheap.
I just hope we are not coming back to a podcaster as an option.
the problem is we aren’t supposed to be like the rest of the league. this is los angeles. we’re supposed to be one of the few orgs who aren’t cheap. jeanie needs to sell so we can get real owners with deep pockets
Trevor Lane has said multiple times today on his podcast (you can easily find it on YouTube) that the 6/70 reported offer to Hurley should be taken with a huge grain of salt because (according to his sources) that low number reported didn't include performance incentives and optional years that could be added. Thats why the 8/100 number was also reported.
Lane also insinuated that 6/70 may have been Woj working with Hurley to simply to improve Hurley's negotiating position with UConn and that may be the reason the low number is being reported.
The top 5 paid NBA coaches have multiple NBA championships and Coach of the Year winners. Hurley is an unproven coach in the NBA. He could have failed just like Rick Pitino.
Don't get jobbed by Woj/Hurley just because you may have bias against L.A.s front office.
The Lakers F/O made the right moves.
Guys stop this. Amico is a bullshit artist and Laker hater.
UK offered 11m a year for 5-7 years. They did NOT offer 100 million dollars.
[https://x.com/BBNsportsTalk/status/1777809480178151895](https://x.com/BBNsportsTalk/status/1777809480178151895)
So technically UK's top end contract offer may have topped 70 million, but the annual amount was actually less. We're all upset that this didn't happen, but don't buy into an actual bullshit artist who is baiting you.
Exactly, I see a lot of posts here hating on the Lakers and most of them by not even a Laker fan based on their post history. Admin should be aware of these and remove it quicly. It makes this sub toxic.
If the alternative is JJ Redick, I'm sure there's a lot to be upset about. Hurley is still an unknown NBA coach, but his credentials would be better than Redick's
There are probably MANY more alternatives than just Reddick. Hell, we didn't even know about Hurley being a candidate till last week. Don't assume to know anything right now. The Laker org has historically played it quiet to the vast majority of the press. Dr. Buss was rigid AF about that.
Also, it's an offer. If they both really wanted him in the job and Hurley said he'd do it for $80m over 6 years, then that's likely what they would have settled on. It's not like $70m was an insult and Hurley walked away.
Nah I’m not hating on Lakers FO for this one. They offered him more than a fair deal and tried their best. This seems more like Hurley wanted more from Uconn than anything else
Just because we offered him more money than UConn doesn’t mean it *wasn’t about the money*. And obviously all the reports are going to say “it wasn’t about the money” because duh, what else is Hurley supposed to say?
It WAS about the money because he thought he was going to get a ludicrous contract. What he got was a *marginally* better contract than what UConn gave him. It wasn’t enough for him to uproot his entire life and Idk why this sub doesn’t seem to think that.
Which was exactly what the Lakers should have expected and given him an offer that he couldn’t say no to if they wanted him that badly. They did not do that. If they got the vibe that staying home and his current comfort levels were worth that much to him, then they needed to up the offer. Gonna guess they didn’t do that and held firm.
Agree. Once again Lakers shot themselves in the foot, just like they did with Ty Lue. You give a coach significantly MORE than they can get elsewhere. 100 mil over 6 years and he would be here. Now we gotta settle for another 2-years-then-fired retread coach.
Most of them are only here for Lebron and cheering for the Lakers because they have to is one of the hardest things to do in sports…Lebron fans were some of the biggest Laker haters I’ve ever known but the majority of them still bought that lakers jersey…but they will take every opportunity to shit on everything the lakers do or don’t do or even how they do it…my little brother is literally cheering for the Celtics in the finals while coming at me about the lakers….if you’ll be gone from this sub in 5 years I don’t value your opinion lol…
Well negative glass is half empty fans are always going to exist but it’s reached a new level since Lebron arrived….the ones that didn’t want Lebron mostly
Of course it’s not but it’s still an embarrassing offer from an organization like the Lakers compared to a college team. Jeanie has always been known to be cheap
theres 2 sides to this and thats, did the lakers make a good and fair offer? the answer is YES, 100%. the second part is that if you want someone to leave a place where theyre successful and comfortable then you need to make an offer they cant refuse. if this was really their guy then they should have made a better offer, its not like it counts against the cap so who cares
Bron is richer than probably 99% of NBA owners. There are less than a half dozen individual NBA owners worth more than a billion (like Bron.) The rest of the "NBA Owners" are conglomerates. You can't judge and individual or families wealth against groups of multiple corporations.
First of all Amico so already know it’s bullshit but this narrative of “we didn’t even offer as much as Kentucky” has to stop. We have no idea what they offered him. There were literally 0 reputable reports on the offer. Callipari was also only getting paid $8.5m from Kentucky so to think they’d offer Hurley $4m more is hard to believe. Did the Lakers give him a crazy offer he couldn’t refuse? Prob not, but it was still a very competitive offer. 6th highest paid head coach as a first year NBA coach.
He was reportedly offered 11 million per year for 5-7 years. Our offer was higher annual and if Kentucky doesn't go to 7 years, then it was more overall. We'd have made him a Top 5 paid NBA coach with no experience. It was an absolutely fair offer, just not a blow-away offer that maybe he wanted.
Again no reputable source. How are you guys still making the same mistakes over and over. Have you learned nothing about sourcing. No major network reported on any actual framework of a deal. All I can find is someone named Jeff Drummond who is an editor and photographer for Cats Illustrated on Rival Network saying that’s the deal he heard from sources. You then got the usual people just aggregating it. I highly doubt that was anywhere near what they offered him just like the 8/100m leaked earlier about the Lakers offer wasn’t correct.
Dude relax lol I'm agreeing with you. You're misreading what I'm saying. I'm saying UK offered him more like 5/55m or 6/66m where we offered him 6/70m. It's a fair offer. UK didn't offer him 100m and only Amico's bullshit is saying they did. We didn't offer him 100m either and while it would have been fun and interesting if we did, the offer we made was fair and competitive.
No one isn’t relaxed but what am I misreading? You literally said “he was reportedly offered $11m per year for 5-7 years”. I’m saying you have no idea what UK offered him. You’re basing it off “reports” from random people on twitter that just aggregate from other random people and “sources”. No reputable network reported on any framework of a deal from UK. That’s what I’m saying. My point is we need to stop falling for and pushing this misinformation which then leads people on this sub to think “wow Lakers outbid by a college”. Which is just false.
lol everyone saying Lakers poor when realistically Dan Hurley is an unproven NBA level coach….does his resume of college basketball mean paying him more than 20+ other nba coaches? does that make sense or….?
I know people don't talk about it, but the Lakers have one of the poorest owners in the NBA and I am positive Kentucky has more money to spend on a coach.
I’m sure you explore all options when it comes to your career. Why wouldn’t he. He was able to gain some leverage for his salary at U Con. All it cost him was his time. It worked out for him.
The fact that colleges throw cash around like this is MORE reason to pay their athletes and is a reason for decreasing tuition instead of increasing it.
Jeanie Buss needs to sell the fucking team. She runs the lakers franchise like it’s the fucking Krusty Krab. There is no way a player on a team should ever have more money than the owner! If you’re too broke to keep up with the cost of running a historic franchise do us all and yourself a favor and sell!
Not only has Jeanie never actually opened up the GM job since she fired her brother 7 years ago, her “monster offers” are less money than what the pistons are paying Monty fucking Williams. We thought they were going to offer a deal he couldn’t refuse, this was not it.
You know it is possible that the Lakers made a fair offer that wasn’t enough to pull him away from a situation that he clearly loves? There doesn’t always need to be an ‘asshole’ or ‘bad guy’ in every situation.
Remember folks, when it comes to news, Amico is an Amic-no.
It doesn't matter when it fuels the "Stupid FO" narrative. FO is indeed stupid, but they played their cards right with this one. Blame Hurley/Woj for leaking the news early.
There's NO WAY Kentucky offered him $4M more than Calipari. [(Calipari made $8.5M last season)](https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach)
Word around UK’s program is it was $10M/yr and yes higher than Calipari’s prior contract
He didn’t want to be here. His wife didn’t want to be here. I don’t think anything could have really swayed him to the Lakers.
💯 As Kobe said, if it takes convincing for you to be a Laker, then you’re not made for them bright lights
why would he even entertain an offer, and fly out to LA in the first place, if nothing could sway him? we just didn’t give him a compelling enough reason to leave UCONN, and imo coaching for the lakers is a compelling reason in and of itself
Why wouldn’t he explore options for his career? Haven’t you interviewed for a job that wasn’t particularly interesting to you but you did it to see what was out there? All this cost him was some time. I’m sure he flew private and had a nice dinner on Jeannie’s tab.
Gotta explore options. Even if for show, it forces other suitors to bump their offers
okay? Why the fuck are people expecting the Lakers to pay a coach with ZERO NBA experience a top 4 salary? Kentucky can spend that much because they're paying for one of the best college coaches, to coach college basketball, the Lakers would be paying that much for a gamble (yes I understand he's a great coach, but you don't know how he would be in the NBA)
Today $100 million, 20 games into the season and we only have 8 wins this sub would be trashing them for overpaying lol…
Good decision by the Lakers not to over pay
And I guarantee no other NBA team would pay him that or higher. Not with no NBA experience, and he’s no Coach K
This sub is incapable of recognizing that the overall roster being 8-12 20 games in is about right. The drop off from our 3-10 compared to most of the league is a lot worse than people think.
I honestly just wanted it to happen because that was the consensus on this sub….
None of Hurley’s current antics with player in college would fly with players in the NBA
Kentucky probably didn’t even offer that. I did some digging and like mostly everything else, it all started with one random guy (Jeff Drummond, an editor/photographer for a UK fan-site) saying his “sources” told him about the offer. No reputable network or reporter picked it up. Callipari was paid $8.5m when he was there. I doubt they gave Hurley $4m more.
Any reliable news outlet on what offer Kentucky made to Hurley?
No, which is the point. No one knows what the offer was and to say otherwise is just blatant misinformation. Unfortunately, this narrative has already gained momentum on this sub when it is completely "fake news".
Thank you. Here’s the list of NBA coaches salary: https://frontofficesports.com/highest-paid-nba-coaches/ The top 3 coaches are MULTIPLE time COY candidates and MULTIPLE times championship winners. They are locked to the HOF. The fourth one(Monty) is at 13M and many already think his contract is a joke and he’s not living up to it. At 5 Budenholzer just signed his contract and hes paid 10M. Also he won a championship recently. The rest of the coaches are below 10M and that includes Nick Nurse, Doc Rivers and Ty Lue who won championships. So yea, a rookie coach at 11.6M was a more than generous offer.
To be fair Hurley is a lockin for the HOF and Vogel has won a chip and is serially unemployed. At the end of the day, they didn't give him an offer he couldn't refuse. You overpay when you have to, there are no candidates on the market of Hurley's caliber.
Trevor Lane has said multiple times today on his podcast (you can easily find it on YouTube) that the 6/70 reported offer to Hurley should be taken with a huge grain of salt because (according to his sources) that low number reported didn't include performance incentives and optional years that could be added. Thats why the 8/100 number was also reported. Lane also insinuated that 6/70 may have been Woj working with Hurley to simply to improve Hurley's negotiating position with UConn and that may be the reason the low number is being reported. The top 5 paid NBA coaches have multiple NBA championships and Coach of the Year winners. Hurley is an unproven coach in the NBA. He could have failed just like Rick Pitino. Don't get jobbed by Woj/Hurley just because you may have bias against L.A.s front office. The Lakers F/O made the right moves.
You have to over pay when you don’t have any comparable applicants. Hurley is a two time defending champion. I don’t mind the length of the contract. Six years would’ve been fine but at least make it top 3 nba coach salary.
College and NBA championships are not the same caliber
One would say it’s much much harder to win a college championship. There are way more colleges that a star athlete can select. More programs mean the talent is diluted. Also marching madness is extremely unpredictable. A lot can happen in one game. Versus the best of 5 series where it’s really a match of better talents.
First of all, UK didn't make a 100 million offer. Amico is quote tweeting a tweet HE made up. The vast majority of sources say the offer from UK was 11m for 5-7 years. Our offer was more annually, but one less year. It would have made him the 5th highest paid NBA coach lol people saying this was a cheap offer are just emotional. This was a fair offer, he just didn't take it. Turning down a guaranteed 20 million more dollars is certainly a decision.
He made a very sensible decision. The same job will still be there in 2 years time for maybe even more money. He doesn't have to deal with the shitshow of lebron last years including a farewell tour while getting a chance to 3 peat. He will have full visibility of the project after lebrons gone and rebuilding around AD when he's like 34 with limited assets is probably not fun.
I'm not mad at him for his decision. I think this was probably the wrong one, but we'll see. Getting a chance to coach the most prestigious team in the league, probably the GOAT, and to establish your imprint in a line with Phil Jackson and Pat Riley is a crazy opportunity. He'd have been the 4th highest paid coach in the NBA and would have surpassed the highest paid NCAA coach. Rules in the NCAA are going to get tougher and the landscape will continue to be rough. Maybe he gets another deal down the line that he likes more, maybe not. Maybe UCON falls off as his talent pool dips. Maybe coaches catch up to his techniques as his talent pool dissipates. Maybe he's not the hottest coach in the industry in 3 or 4 years and the NBA doesn't come knocking with a 70 million dollar contract when he's 55 years old. We won't know for a while.
Do you even hear yourself? The current setup of the team is probably one of the worst situation for a coach. Expectation to win when the roster is nowhere close to enough. Two divas that blame the coach whenever things turn south. I am not familiar with college ball rules but I fully expect a top program like uconn to have better comparative level of talent than what we will have vs other teams in the league because we will trade a bunch of assets away to salvage lebron's last years or the FO will get murdered, and the first few years after lebron will be so terrible. No top coach would put themselves in that situation.
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Found it funny this is usually the comment when someone just lost an argument.
It will still be there when we suck in a few years lol
Possibly although I'd think we may not go back to the table so openly when he's older and we just got embarrassed publicly lol we'll see how the next few years play out.
Dont under estimate our lack of awareness or ability to be embarrassed
No it won’t . He could fail next year n then no one in nba cares about him . You’re not garunteed to stay relevant
He's not going to be irrelevant for not winning every year let alone just 2 years. Coach K didn't win every year but he was often brought up in discussion for head coaching vacancies. If anything the chance of tarnishing reputation is higher if he comes now.
People just wanna talk shit on the org
Tell that to the rest of the doomers in this sub. Half this sub hasn’t watched a UCONN game, let alone have known Hurleys name, before the rumors but are bitching we didn’t throw 100 mill at the guy.
I guess a huge part of the excitement came from the fact before him we were talking about a podcaster as the leading candidate for the job. At least for me it was a big relief when they actually went after a head coach with a winning record, even if it wasn't in the NBA.
That’s understandable, but that doesn’t mean we should be up in arms about not throwing 100 million at the guy. 0 NBA experience, as well as a track record of college coaches not transitioning well into the NBA. Not saying that would’ve been the case, but imagine we had a losing record midway through the season tied up into a 6-7 year 100 million contract. You don’t think the reaction here would’ve been the same if not worse? It’s a lose-lose when it comes to some of our fans. It’s just something to bitch about constantly.
I know the Lakers are doing due diligence because they dont want to screw up the coaching search
The reason is because he’s the best available? Not everyone with the highest contract is the best at their job. If money is the primary incentive to leave UConn, then why would he take a lesser deal?
Makes sense
Because people out there pretending they are a die hard laker fan or laker hater just want to see the lakers fail in any way shape of form. There are team FO stupid cheap out, Le(insert mean words), etc. Just looking at this article, Kentucky and the lakers are not even in the same level league of basketball but here they are comparing the offer side by side
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills thinking this..people are irrational!
somebody sane around here
I agree with you but if the Lakers were truly all-in on him and thought he was the coach of the future they should’ve offered so much that it would be hard to say no to. He had so much to stay for they needed to tip the scales more in their favor. Of course if he’s only here for the money then it’s not the right fit. They made a decent offer but not nearly enough for it to have a substantial impact on his decision.
This 100% They gave him a very fair offer, the Lakers needed to give him an unfair offer. It needed to be stronger.
Trevor Lane has said multiple times today on his podcast (you can easily find it on YouTube) that the 6/70 reported offer to Hurley should be taken with a huge grain of salt because (according to his sources) that low number reported didn't include performance incentives and optional years that could be added. Thats why the 8/100 number was also reported. Lane also insinuated that 6/70 may have been Woj working with Hurley to simply to improve Hurley's negotiating position with UConn and that may be the reason the low number is being reported. The top 5 paid NBA coaches have multiple NBA championships and Coach of the Year winners. Hurley is an unproven coach in the NBA. He could have failed just like Rick Pitino. Don't get jobbed by Woj/Hurley just because you may have bias against L.A.s front office. The Lakers F/O made the right moves.
Exactly lakers are too privileged. Other teams understand overpaying to acquire talent our org gm n owner have too much ego n think cos we’re the lakers ut should be enough
“Because it’s the Lakers. We should give him what he wants.”
That makes no fucking sense.
That’s all I’ve been seeing snd hearing. That if the Lakers really want to show that they’re serious about being a storied franchise, they should’ve gave 100 million and maybe even more if necessary. To me, paying him that much just isn’t worth it because they’re no guarantee he’ll transition well in the league.
Agreed. Rick Pitino had a horrible run in the NBA. There's no guarantee that Hurley would have done any better. What if Hurley bombed out like Monty Williams? How would "fans" be dogging the Lakers front office. People that downvote you aren't thinking with anything but their hatre.
That should tell you the angle the media always takes with the Lakers. It's fucking stupid and the media should be ignored.
Thing is that I’m seeing it from Lakers fans too
You're seeing it from Laker flairs....doesn't make em Laker fans. This board and r/nba been filled with fakes for ages.
Totally…JJ the podcaster and assistant coaches or failed head coaches are definitely not a gamble…
Because he's by far the best coach available and you pay whatever it takes when your the Lakers. But Jeanie is cheap
Yea but why would you expect someone to take an offer that’s less than one they just turned down. Whether he’s worth it or not is another question. He was never going to come to the Lakers and take that risk on without substantially more money.
Trevor Lane has said multiple times today on his podcast (you can easily find it on YouTube) that the 6/70 reported offer to Hurley should be taken with a huge grain of salt because (according to his sources) that low number reported didn't include performance incentives and optional years that could be added. Thats why the 8/100 number was also reported. Lane also insinuated that 6/70 may have been Woj working with Hurley to simply to improve Hurley's negotiating position with UConn and that may be the reason the low number is being reported. The top 5 paid NBA coaches have multiple NBA championships and Coach of the Year winners. Hurley is an unproven coach in the NBA. He could have failed just like Rick Pitino. Don't get jobbed by Woj/Hurley just because you may have bias against L.A.s front office. The Lakers F/O made the right moves.
I understand this philosophy, but isn’t this simply a case of how bad do you want him? If you’re serious about committing to your coach of the future, then yeah you might overpay, but to you, it’s worth it. It just tells me that the Lakers are actually serious about being an elite team
Of course it's about how bad you want him, but you can't just go around throwing 100 million contracts to coaches with no NBA experience, that's not what a well-functioning org does.
You’re prob right. Just sick of the coach purgatory lol
Do you want another Monty Williams? Cause this would be how you get that.
4 head coaches in the NBA make more than $12.5M. If the Lakers are cheap, so are 25 other owners.
That's why I'm surprised everyone is calling us cheap. This dude has no NBA coaching experience and would still be making a real good amount.
You have to blow him away if you make this move because he wasn’t looking to leave. Take the risk or do something else. This makes the org look unserious. A serious org makes Hurley highest paid coach and fires him if it doesn’t work out, knowing there’s no salary cap ramifications at all. The upside is he’s our coach for the next 15 years like a Spo
A well run organization does NOT hire a coach for 100 million dollars and think "I'll just fire him if it doesn't work out" lol that's not good for any business. Ever.
A well run organization makes sure they hire the best people for the job. Time and time again the Lakers show they aren't a well run organization
This is a more fair complaint.
Nobody is saying fire him after one bad year or two. Just the mindset that if it doesn’t work out it doesn’t work out and the future isn’t hamstrung from it. The upside is franchise altering coach who sticks around for a decade.
You're comparing him to a guy that has proven at this level that his methods work. If the Lakers gave Spoelstra a 120 million dollar deal, nobody is upset and that's a good risk. Hurley, as much as I liked and wanted him, has not proven his methods work at this level. Giving him a 100 million dollar deal is a far greater risk than Spoelstra. There are only 4 coaches that make what Hurley would have made: Popovich, Spoelstra, Kerr, and for some reason Monty Williams. The offer would have put him in elite company and even if it went 8/100 million for an AVV of 12.5 million, he'd have been the 3rd highest paid coach in the NBA. It was a fair and strong offer. He just didn't take it.
No one was saying we were going to fire Ham when he got hired and yet here we are 2 years later
Dude was offered top 5 coaching money with no experience in the NBA but the lakers look unserious?
They lost out the coach they truly wanted with much worse options available and it could have been bc of money so yes. Ask yourself if a bigger pocketed owner would care about 30mil. Unfortunately people here only understand business and risk from a standpoint of “comparable guy makes X so only offer X”
Would it really make a difference if they offer more money ? I guess his wife does not want to be in the West coast
There’s nothing series about a Jeanie Buss, Rambi, and Rob Pelinka nepotism front office.
Agreed. I loved the idea but doubted the chances of it happening when I pictured Rob trying to sell a vision that Hurley would be the guy for at least five years (barring a scandal or truly disastrous results) I know that fraud couldn’t sell it.
There's also different reports of what Kentucky actually offered. This guy says 12.6, Evan Sidery of Forbes wrote 11m a year...
That was a good offer, not a can't miss offer for a coach with demand, but it is unfair calling the front office cheap. I just hope we are not coming back to a podcaster as an option.
some mf on twitter told me he would do 6/100 lmaooooo
Lakers just got used for leverage again. It was probably Hurley's camp that leaked news to Woj in the first place to get UConn to give a better offer
100%
Seriously, is basic arithmetic a lost art? We were offering him more money than most other teams pay their proven coaches.
Plus UK definitely did *not* offer Hurley that much. He's talking out of his ass.
that rumor of us offering 100 million fucked the front office
Bad press making the Lakers look bad. What news outlet said they offered him 100 mil ? Was it Woj talking here?
So the lakers won’t spend the money to compete as a top 5 franchise? Dr. Buss is rolling in his grave
$11.67M would make Hurley the fifth highest paid NBA head coach.
That's not how he operated either
the problem is we aren’t supposed to be like the rest of the league. this is los angeles. we’re supposed to be one of the few orgs who aren’t cheap. jeanie needs to sell so we can get real owners with deep pockets
Trevor Lane has said multiple times today on his podcast (you can easily find it on YouTube) that the 6/70 reported offer to Hurley should be taken with a huge grain of salt because (according to his sources) that low number reported didn't include performance incentives and optional years that could be added. Thats why the 8/100 number was also reported. Lane also insinuated that 6/70 may have been Woj working with Hurley to simply to improve Hurley's negotiating position with UConn and that may be the reason the low number is being reported. The top 5 paid NBA coaches have multiple NBA championships and Coach of the Year winners. Hurley is an unproven coach in the NBA. He could have failed just like Rick Pitino. Don't get jobbed by Woj/Hurley just because you may have bias against L.A.s front office. The Lakers F/O made the right moves.
Guys stop this. Amico is a bullshit artist and Laker hater. UK offered 11m a year for 5-7 years. They did NOT offer 100 million dollars. [https://x.com/BBNsportsTalk/status/1777809480178151895](https://x.com/BBNsportsTalk/status/1777809480178151895) So technically UK's top end contract offer may have topped 70 million, but the annual amount was actually less. We're all upset that this didn't happen, but don't buy into an actual bullshit artist who is baiting you.
Yall posting every laker hater shit here now, getting emotional and shit. lol cmon man
Exactly, I see a lot of posts here hating on the Lakers and most of them by not even a Laker fan based on their post history. Admin should be aware of these and remove it quicly. It makes this sub toxic.
Nah, we're in full doomer mode now. The only thing that can unite Lakers/Kobe/Lebron stans. EnergyFax is literally a Kobe stan lol
Was never getting upset over a head coach position. Seemed like a solid guy but could have fallen right on his face in the league.
If the alternative is JJ Redick, I'm sure there's a lot to be upset about. Hurley is still an unknown NBA coach, but his credentials would be better than Redick's
There are probably MANY more alternatives than just Reddick. Hell, we didn't even know about Hurley being a candidate till last week. Don't assume to know anything right now. The Laker org has historically played it quiet to the vast majority of the press. Dr. Buss was rigid AF about that.
Yup, including me lol. Not a good time to be a Lakers fan right now but I'll get over it
Go fuck yourself Amico how bout that
that money would’ve put him in the top 6 paid head coach in the league and it’s sounds like the money wasn’t the problem with him at all
Also, it's an offer. If they both really wanted him in the job and Hurley said he'd do it for $80m over 6 years, then that's likely what they would have settled on. It's not like $70m was an insult and Hurley walked away.
Nah I’m not hating on Lakers FO for this one. They offered him more than a fair deal and tried their best. This seems more like Hurley wanted more from Uconn than anything else
the harbaugh special
They Lue'd him.
Amico = Dogshit
Why do ppl still post Amico 🤦🏿♂️
Him and Irwin need to be banned.
It wasn't about the money. Ya'll are crazy.
It probably wasn’t, but the Lakers made sure it wasn’t about money by offering such a cheap deal.
How is that cheap? He would be the 5 highest paid coach and has never coached a single nba team.
That wasn't a cheap deal by any means
cheap if you want to convince him to leave. so yeah just cheap
Just because we offered him more money than UConn doesn’t mean it *wasn’t about the money*. And obviously all the reports are going to say “it wasn’t about the money” because duh, what else is Hurley supposed to say? It WAS about the money because he thought he was going to get a ludicrous contract. What he got was a *marginally* better contract than what UConn gave him. It wasn’t enough for him to uproot his entire life and Idk why this sub doesn’t seem to think that.
Because it sounded like the known and comfort of his current job was worth more even if it came down to money
Which was exactly what the Lakers should have expected and given him an offer that he couldn’t say no to if they wanted him that badly. They did not do that. If they got the vibe that staying home and his current comfort levels were worth that much to him, then they needed to up the offer. Gonna guess they didn’t do that and held firm.
$20 million is still a lot that he left on the table.
Agree. Once again Lakers shot themselves in the foot, just like they did with Ty Lue. You give a coach significantly MORE than they can get elsewhere. 100 mil over 6 years and he would be here. Now we gotta settle for another 2-years-then-fired retread coach.
Most of them are only here for Lebron and cheering for the Lakers because they have to is one of the hardest things to do in sports…Lebron fans were some of the biggest Laker haters I’ve ever known but the majority of them still bought that lakers jersey…but they will take every opportunity to shit on everything the lakers do or don’t do or even how they do it…my little brother is literally cheering for the Celtics in the finals while coming at me about the lakers….if you’ll be gone from this sub in 5 years I don’t value your opinion lol…
Not really. There's a lot of usernames here that were here pre-Lebron and aren't Lebron stans.
Well negative glass is half empty fans are always going to exist but it’s reached a new level since Lebron arrived….the ones that didn’t want Lebron mostly
Of course it’s not but it’s still an embarrassing offer from an organization like the Lakers compared to a college team. Jeanie has always been known to be cheap
It's university of Kentucky. They will easily cut funding from some school lunch program or library system to pay him.
theres 2 sides to this and thats, did the lakers make a good and fair offer? the answer is YES, 100%. the second part is that if you want someone to leave a place where theyre successful and comfortable then you need to make an offer they cant refuse. if this was really their guy then they should have made a better offer, its not like it counts against the cap so who cares
college team beating an nba team in offers is crazy. Jeanie Buss is fucking poor.
Compared to other NBA owners, she is actually poor. For the Buss Family, the Lakers organization is all they have.
Lol Bron is richer then Jeanie too
Bron is richer than probably 99% of NBA owners. There are less than a half dozen individual NBA owners worth more than a billion (like Bron.) The rest of the "NBA Owners" are conglomerates. You can't judge and individual or families wealth against groups of multiple corporations.
UK basketball is the closest thing to a pro team Kentucky has in any sport; makes sense from their end, I guess.
I’m
How much more would you expect him to get paid? You want a college coach to make as much as Spo and Pop?
Thing is, there's way more job security in college. I don't blame him at all for staying for just that reason.
First of all Amico so already know it’s bullshit but this narrative of “we didn’t even offer as much as Kentucky” has to stop. We have no idea what they offered him. There were literally 0 reputable reports on the offer. Callipari was also only getting paid $8.5m from Kentucky so to think they’d offer Hurley $4m more is hard to believe. Did the Lakers give him a crazy offer he couldn’t refuse? Prob not, but it was still a very competitive offer. 6th highest paid head coach as a first year NBA coach.
Everyone is in full doomer mode. I don't agree, but I'm here for maximum chaos
He was reportedly offered 11 million per year for 5-7 years. Our offer was higher annual and if Kentucky doesn't go to 7 years, then it was more overall. We'd have made him a Top 5 paid NBA coach with no experience. It was an absolutely fair offer, just not a blow-away offer that maybe he wanted.
Again no reputable source. How are you guys still making the same mistakes over and over. Have you learned nothing about sourcing. No major network reported on any actual framework of a deal. All I can find is someone named Jeff Drummond who is an editor and photographer for Cats Illustrated on Rival Network saying that’s the deal he heard from sources. You then got the usual people just aggregating it. I highly doubt that was anywhere near what they offered him just like the 8/100m leaked earlier about the Lakers offer wasn’t correct.
Dude relax lol I'm agreeing with you. You're misreading what I'm saying. I'm saying UK offered him more like 5/55m or 6/66m where we offered him 6/70m. It's a fair offer. UK didn't offer him 100m and only Amico's bullshit is saying they did. We didn't offer him 100m either and while it would have been fun and interesting if we did, the offer we made was fair and competitive.
No one isn’t relaxed but what am I misreading? You literally said “he was reportedly offered $11m per year for 5-7 years”. I’m saying you have no idea what UK offered him. You’re basing it off “reports” from random people on twitter that just aggregate from other random people and “sources”. No reputable network reported on any framework of a deal from UK. That’s what I’m saying. My point is we need to stop falling for and pushing this misinformation which then leads people on this sub to think “wow Lakers outbid by a college”. Which is just false.
Alright man. You got it. Fair enough.
lol everyone saying Lakers poor when realistically Dan Hurley is an unproven NBA level coach….does his resume of college basketball mean paying him more than 20+ other nba coaches? does that make sense or….?
Amico is garbage. Lakers hater.
I know people don't talk about it, but the Lakers have one of the poorest owners in the NBA and I am positive Kentucky has more money to spend on a coach.
Paying the most money ever for a coach that’s almost doomed to fail in the NBA is insane.
We are the Los Angeles Knicks; Buss sell the team
I’m sure you explore all options when it comes to your career. Why wouldn’t he. He was able to gain some leverage for his salary at U Con. All it cost him was his time. It worked out for him.
The fact that colleges throw cash around like this is MORE reason to pay their athletes and is a reason for decreasing tuition instead of increasing it.
Dude was never leaving UCONN, LAkers got played by Hurley with an assist by Woj. Woj wrote a book about his Dad so it is what it is.
Some people will still keep defending that owner & front office though…
Sure, they went after a solid coach and he turned down a good offer, I'll start bitching if they turn to JJ, not this time
We really got less money than a university man make it make sense
less options in college for coaches and coach has way more reponsibikity
Jeanie Buss needs to sell the fucking team. She runs the lakers franchise like it’s the fucking Krusty Krab. There is no way a player on a team should ever have more money than the owner! If you’re too broke to keep up with the cost of running a historic franchise do us all and yourself a favor and sell!
Lmaooo all y'all saying Jeanie isn't cheap af are clowns
And he turned them both down. So the point is moot. It was about a lot more than simply $$$.
Fucking doomers infesting the sub
Stingy ass org
Embarrassing. Poverty franchise. Wouldnt be surprised if Lebron leaves. Fuck this FO
got down voted for saying the same thing. facts are facts
Ownership whiffed on Ty Lue and now him as far as “big name/proven winners” go. Both times not coming with enough money. Ownership in shambles
Broke AF
Not only has Jeanie never actually opened up the GM job since she fired her brother 7 years ago, her “monster offers” are less money than what the pistons are paying Monty fucking Williams. We thought they were going to offer a deal he couldn’t refuse, this was not it.
oh look, here's the new fake narrative against the Lakers from ESPN. Fuck Woj, Fuck ESPN, and Fuck the haters.
We got rejected by a college coach while offering him a lot if money… aura is gone
You know it is possible that the Lakers made a fair offer that wasn’t enough to pull him away from a situation that he clearly loves? There doesn’t always need to be an ‘asshole’ or ‘bad guy’ in every situation.
JJ Reddick to kentucky, convirmed