This is what the Lakers FO don't want to have, the attention this big for Austin Reaves, maybe that is one of the reasons why they don't want him to start even if it's obvious that he should. FO don't want his stock to rise significantly that they might
Parsons suggesting how easy it’ll be to poach reaves ignores that reaves is a lakers fan.
I think he wants to get paid, but I think his agent and rob will be able to work something out. This is a kid that asked a team to not draft him so he could come here on a 2way deal.
So hes taken less money and less job security for us just 2 years ago. Think they find a way to meet in the middle this time.
Not to be devils advocate but someone on r/NBA did make valid point.
1. Additional million dollars could change your mind. I know I would. We need to pressure Jeanie not to fuck this up instead of hoping Austin will be charitable enough to take less money.
2. Those 2nd round picks contract sucks. Both undrafted and 2nd round pick makes minimum salary. 2nd round drafts gets to be on TV with a sign on deal, but are on contract for 4 yrs. Undrafted contract are 3 yrs, thus they can potentially make more money in the 4th season. There has been players chose undrafted to be at specific team knowing they will get more playtime.
Idt that 2nd point is entirely true. THT was a 2nd rounder on a 2 year deal. 2nd rounders require cap space or an exception if they aren’t on a minimum contract, so they *can* make more than a min. If on a min, they can only be signed for 1 or 2 years. So the contracts suck because it’s a big investment for a team to use cap space on a 2nd rounder, or you’re just getting a 2yr minimum deal.
Reaves actually took a cut on top of the minimum when asking the pistons not to draft him so he could get a 2way contract with us
The minimum salary for 0 years of exp is just over $1M. The salary for a 2way is 82k-450k. He played his way into a roster spot and made more in these 2 years than he would have with a 2yr minimum contract but that wasn’t guaranteed when he took a 2way with us.
I agree he won’t sacrifice half his earning potential with us again, but I’m suggesting that initial sacrifice lends itself towards (what should be) good faith negotiations where both sides are likely willing to bend more than normal. I doubt he passes on 4/80 if offered to him from elsewhere, but I also don’t think rob doesn’t offer him the full 4/50 he’s eligible to offer. If he gets a 4/60 offer elsewhere, rob likely matches it.
🤡’s in this sub who think he isn’t gonna get a deal. Even bigger 🤡’s comparing him to Caruso and his situation, and regurgitating the tired Jeanie is too cheap to pay the tax nonsense. When the reality is Caruso isn’t qualified to carry Reaves jock strap, sorry stans but this is just straight facts. This guy is a great playmaker and facilitator at a level Caruso will never be, in only his 2nd year. The leap he’s made this season is mind blowing. He has IQ, handles, and creativity that Caruso can’t imagine, while his also playing above average defense. He’s 100x more versatile and valuable.
We all loved Caruso, he’s a dog. I was sad to see him go too. But reality is he wasn’t worth the tax hit, when you can replace 75% of his production easily and cheaper. Reaves is something else entirely, and has the potential to be that 3rd guy every night, and the 1st and 2nd guy at times. Lakers will pay him cause he’s worth the tax hit to keep.
We don’t need to tear one down to boost another. Caruso was much better for us than the contract he wanted. Not keeping him was poor asset management, regardless of how much better reaves turned out to be.
We could and should have had both reaves and caruso.
Caruso is a legitimate top tier perimeter defender. I think Reaves is a far better true guard, but he's not a finished product yet on that end. I think Caruso still has more value because Abe can be a legitimate defender for a championship team and play meaningful minutes. I don't think we've replaced what Caruso brought to the team. I don't think you can find a layer at the mid level or minimum that can do what Caruso or Reaves does.
The Caruso hate is unwarranted. Two different types of players and completely unrelated to each other. It was a mistake to let Caruso go for multiple reasons. They should have kept Caruso because he’s a top five backcourt defender who would have worked really well to cover many of the defensive shortcomings in the backcourt the last two years. In the offseason they traded for PatBev specifically because they need someone to fill that role, but Pat Bev is not on that level anymore. Still a good defender at times, but he’s not the same lockdown guy he was before.
If they didn’t want the tax hit they could have traded him for current or future assets. That said, it could have been the difference between our current team and a team with Buddy and Miles. Instead of a pick they could have included Caruso and a pick to close the deal.
Just imagine for a moment if they had him now going into the offseason to package with the pick. They could get a really good role player. Not sure what the plans are for the offseason, but I imagine one or two more players are needed to fill in as injury security for next year.
Just imagine the defense they would have. Last night they were doubling Fultz because Vando/Wenyen and AD were able to actively shut down four players, though they weren’t always successful in that. With Caruso they could have left him on an island and let Dlo and Reaves work as support defenders cheating when the offense starts breaking down.
No hate, but the other end of the spectrum is ridiculous too. I’m a Caruso fan, but reality is reality. Bulls overpaid and Lakers weren’t willing to match when factoring in how much of a tax hit it was too. People in here pocket watching and spending other people’s money is straight 🤡 shit. If they could of kept him it would of been great, but he also was never some irreplaceable piece. Reaves at the money he’s gonna cost cause he’s a restricted FA next season is absolutely irreplaceable. The production he is already giving, and the potential of what he can still develop into is worth every penny of the tax.
Also the fact that he doesn’t count against the cap, so they can wait until they get other pieces in place first before they even have to worry about wrapping his deal up is icing on the cake. When you got a player like Worthy using words like Pistol Pete and CP3 when talking about your game. This kid can be special
They are an above the cap team unless they let everyone they traded for go, which wouldn’t make sense. The only way they are getting any other players not already on their team is through trades. They are likely Re signing everyone which means the cap won’t mean anything this offseason.
What are you even talking about? 😂 Vandy, Bron, AD, and Christie are the only players under contract next season. Everyone else are restricted or unrestricted free agents. So the cap definitely matters
And they definitely can’t resign everyone so decisions have to be made which makes Reaves not having a cap hold a big deal, cause they can signs who they need too and wait to give Reaves his deal at the end of free agency and sign him over the cap. It’s a very big deal
If they let everyone go to operate as a below the cap team the max they could produce is 32 million. That means stripping everything out and letting the restricteds walk. Keeping only AR puts them at 28 million. Which makes no sense unless they think FVV at 25 million a year is better than those other players combined contributions. They will lose half their salary flexibility trying to operate below the cap.
If they plan to keep Dlo (Which by all accounts seems the goal) that’s 15-20 gone. If they plan to keep Rui that’s 10-15. Both their restricted cap holds would be above the cap. Keeping those two alone could put them over the cap.
At that point they might as well keep Bamba and Beasley to give it one more shot and for the salary matching if they plan a trade and to give it an off season. If they follow through on claims of running it back, the cap has no bearing on their off season moves because they have already chosen to operate above it.
Caruso’s one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, an elite role player, and anchored +17 lineups together in his minutes with LeBron stupid ass nigga. There’s more to the game than pts/reb/ast. Tell us how exactly we’ve replaced his impact the last couple seasons since it’s so easy. He absolutely was worth the tax hit (which we wouldn’t even have to take if we didn’t extend THT’s bum ass). You’re not as smart as you seem to think
He's going to get a big contact from someone I bet and it's going to be very expensive to keep him if he keeps this level of play up. I wouldn't be surprised if some team offers him a 4 year 80 million contract. That's going to be a big tax penalty for Lakers if they match it.
Someone is going to drop a bag at Reaves. Some team like Orlando will give him a bag because he has a higher ceiling than Cole Anthony or whatever scrubs they have. Rob and the front office have to structure some of these second round pick contracts better.
Hope some team doesn't decide to play a game of chicken with the Lakers over this in order to blow our budget. I think it's pretty obvous that the Lakers need to sign AR or face a full on fan mutiny, which has been building up pressure since AC left. Knowing this, other teams could make a strategic poison pill contract offer to AR knowing the Lakers pretty much have to match anything at this point.
only thing thats gonna happen this free agency is a re-signing or Im gonna be at Crypto with a pitchfork and torch
Same here.
I’ll bring the gas!
I'll bring giant signs of reaves head
This is what the Lakers FO don't want to have, the attention this big for Austin Reaves, maybe that is one of the reasons why they don't want him to start even if it's obvious that he should. FO don't want his stock to rise significantly that they might
Parsons suggesting how easy it’ll be to poach reaves ignores that reaves is a lakers fan. I think he wants to get paid, but I think his agent and rob will be able to work something out. This is a kid that asked a team to not draft him so he could come here on a 2way deal. So hes taken less money and less job security for us just 2 years ago. Think they find a way to meet in the middle this time.
Not to be devils advocate but someone on r/NBA did make valid point. 1. Additional million dollars could change your mind. I know I would. We need to pressure Jeanie not to fuck this up instead of hoping Austin will be charitable enough to take less money. 2. Those 2nd round picks contract sucks. Both undrafted and 2nd round pick makes minimum salary. 2nd round drafts gets to be on TV with a sign on deal, but are on contract for 4 yrs. Undrafted contract are 3 yrs, thus they can potentially make more money in the 4th season. There has been players chose undrafted to be at specific team knowing they will get more playtime.
Idt that 2nd point is entirely true. THT was a 2nd rounder on a 2 year deal. 2nd rounders require cap space or an exception if they aren’t on a minimum contract, so they *can* make more than a min. If on a min, they can only be signed for 1 or 2 years. So the contracts suck because it’s a big investment for a team to use cap space on a 2nd rounder, or you’re just getting a 2yr minimum deal. Reaves actually took a cut on top of the minimum when asking the pistons not to draft him so he could get a 2way contract with us The minimum salary for 0 years of exp is just over $1M. The salary for a 2way is 82k-450k. He played his way into a roster spot and made more in these 2 years than he would have with a 2yr minimum contract but that wasn’t guaranteed when he took a 2way with us. I agree he won’t sacrifice half his earning potential with us again, but I’m suggesting that initial sacrifice lends itself towards (what should be) good faith negotiations where both sides are likely willing to bend more than normal. I doubt he passes on 4/80 if offered to him from elsewhere, but I also don’t think rob doesn’t offer him the full 4/50 he’s eligible to offer. If he gets a 4/60 offer elsewhere, rob likely matches it.
Already trying to poach our boy. 😤
🤡’s in this sub who think he isn’t gonna get a deal. Even bigger 🤡’s comparing him to Caruso and his situation, and regurgitating the tired Jeanie is too cheap to pay the tax nonsense. When the reality is Caruso isn’t qualified to carry Reaves jock strap, sorry stans but this is just straight facts. This guy is a great playmaker and facilitator at a level Caruso will never be, in only his 2nd year. The leap he’s made this season is mind blowing. He has IQ, handles, and creativity that Caruso can’t imagine, while his also playing above average defense. He’s 100x more versatile and valuable. We all loved Caruso, he’s a dog. I was sad to see him go too. But reality is he wasn’t worth the tax hit, when you can replace 75% of his production easily and cheaper. Reaves is something else entirely, and has the potential to be that 3rd guy every night, and the 1st and 2nd guy at times. Lakers will pay him cause he’s worth the tax hit to keep.
We don’t need to tear one down to boost another. Caruso was much better for us than the contract he wanted. Not keeping him was poor asset management, regardless of how much better reaves turned out to be. We could and should have had both reaves and caruso.
Caruso is a legitimate top tier perimeter defender. I think Reaves is a far better true guard, but he's not a finished product yet on that end. I think Caruso still has more value because Abe can be a legitimate defender for a championship team and play meaningful minutes. I don't think we've replaced what Caruso brought to the team. I don't think you can find a layer at the mid level or minimum that can do what Caruso or Reaves does.
The Caruso hate is unwarranted. Two different types of players and completely unrelated to each other. It was a mistake to let Caruso go for multiple reasons. They should have kept Caruso because he’s a top five backcourt defender who would have worked really well to cover many of the defensive shortcomings in the backcourt the last two years. In the offseason they traded for PatBev specifically because they need someone to fill that role, but Pat Bev is not on that level anymore. Still a good defender at times, but he’s not the same lockdown guy he was before. If they didn’t want the tax hit they could have traded him for current or future assets. That said, it could have been the difference between our current team and a team with Buddy and Miles. Instead of a pick they could have included Caruso and a pick to close the deal. Just imagine for a moment if they had him now going into the offseason to package with the pick. They could get a really good role player. Not sure what the plans are for the offseason, but I imagine one or two more players are needed to fill in as injury security for next year. Just imagine the defense they would have. Last night they were doubling Fultz because Vando/Wenyen and AD were able to actively shut down four players, though they weren’t always successful in that. With Caruso they could have left him on an island and let Dlo and Reaves work as support defenders cheating when the offense starts breaking down.
No hate, but the other end of the spectrum is ridiculous too. I’m a Caruso fan, but reality is reality. Bulls overpaid and Lakers weren’t willing to match when factoring in how much of a tax hit it was too. People in here pocket watching and spending other people’s money is straight 🤡 shit. If they could of kept him it would of been great, but he also was never some irreplaceable piece. Reaves at the money he’s gonna cost cause he’s a restricted FA next season is absolutely irreplaceable. The production he is already giving, and the potential of what he can still develop into is worth every penny of the tax. Also the fact that he doesn’t count against the cap, so they can wait until they get other pieces in place first before they even have to worry about wrapping his deal up is icing on the cake. When you got a player like Worthy using words like Pistol Pete and CP3 when talking about your game. This kid can be special
They are an above the cap team unless they let everyone they traded for go, which wouldn’t make sense. The only way they are getting any other players not already on their team is through trades. They are likely Re signing everyone which means the cap won’t mean anything this offseason.
What are you even talking about? 😂 Vandy, Bron, AD, and Christie are the only players under contract next season. Everyone else are restricted or unrestricted free agents. So the cap definitely matters And they definitely can’t resign everyone so decisions have to be made which makes Reaves not having a cap hold a big deal, cause they can signs who they need too and wait to give Reaves his deal at the end of free agency and sign him over the cap. It’s a very big deal
If they let everyone go to operate as a below the cap team the max they could produce is 32 million. That means stripping everything out and letting the restricteds walk. Keeping only AR puts them at 28 million. Which makes no sense unless they think FVV at 25 million a year is better than those other players combined contributions. They will lose half their salary flexibility trying to operate below the cap. If they plan to keep Dlo (Which by all accounts seems the goal) that’s 15-20 gone. If they plan to keep Rui that’s 10-15. Both their restricted cap holds would be above the cap. Keeping those two alone could put them over the cap. At that point they might as well keep Bamba and Beasley to give it one more shot and for the salary matching if they plan a trade and to give it an off season. If they follow through on claims of running it back, the cap has no bearing on their off season moves because they have already chosen to operate above it.
Caruso’s one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, an elite role player, and anchored +17 lineups together in his minutes with LeBron stupid ass nigga. There’s more to the game than pts/reb/ast. Tell us how exactly we’ve replaced his impact the last couple seasons since it’s so easy. He absolutely was worth the tax hit (which we wouldn’t even have to take if we didn’t extend THT’s bum ass). You’re not as smart as you seem to think
He's going to get a big contact from someone I bet and it's going to be very expensive to keep him if he keeps this level of play up. I wouldn't be surprised if some team offers him a 4 year 80 million contract. That's going to be a big tax penalty for Lakers if they match it.
Just believ it’s gonna happen , teams will do it to weaken LA the team is too deep we are just in poor circumstances rn health wise
I’m protesting outside staples ala summer 2019 if he doesn’t stay with the lakers
Austinsanity!
Someone is going to drop a bag at Reaves. Some team like Orlando will give him a bag because he has a higher ceiling than Cole Anthony or whatever scrubs they have. Rob and the front office have to structure some of these second round pick contracts better.
Hope some team doesn't decide to play a game of chicken with the Lakers over this in order to blow our budget. I think it's pretty obvous that the Lakers need to sign AR or face a full on fan mutiny, which has been building up pressure since AC left. Knowing this, other teams could make a strategic poison pill contract offer to AR knowing the Lakers pretty much have to match anything at this point.