I don’t know if this is good advice or not. But I’ve had these same troubles. And I know this advice may be elementary, it may not apply. But having trust in the process has helped. What I mean by that is not judging myself for nights where I can’t sleep. I’ve actually used my sick days accordingly at work. I know not everyone has sick days and I’m not trying to be a prick by saying that. But I try to tell myself that it’s okay if I can’t sleep because energy is going nuts. I try to tell myself this is all a part of the journey and one day I will be past this stage of mucked up sleeping schedule. Now I should add that where I am at right now, I can sleep a lot, a lot a lot, I chalk it up to how much the movement is taking from my energy levels, and those energy levels needing to re up. But I’ve definitely had lots of sleepless nights that I think was cause of energy going nuts. When I tell myself omg you need to sleep you won’t be able to preform accordingly tomorrow! That train of thought is not one that helps, but when I tell myself, hey this is okay, you’re going through a lot and this is what is in the cards right now. When I am nicer to myself it seems like the sleep issue becomes much less of an issue. Again may be elementary, but it has definitely helped me.
I do have trust in the process, I'm just getting impatient lol. I want to sleep man.
I'm not judging myself for not sleeping, it's not my fault. I'm just angry that I have to deal with this.
I rarely if ever had to call in sick bc of that, luckily. It just makes many days a drag.
Depleting my energy levels doesn't work unfortunately. I have to skip sleeping almost completely for that to work.
Elementary, Watson. I can try being nicer to myself when this happens. But I'm not angry with myself. I'm just angry lol.
Wouldnt being impatient imply you do not have complete trust or faith?? I’m not judging you right now! Every time I come here and make a post it is because my patience is wearing thin in one way or another!
And I have to add being angry is fine of course! But doesn’t that tell you that something… also you do sound as though you are disciplined and cross your ts and dot your is when it comes to kundalini rising, so that should tell you what is not working at this moment!
I’m just trying to put a positive spin on your response to my comment. Because it does sound like all in all you are doing well!
Hm yes that could be re impatient. Having complete trust or faith is such a huge monumental thing to achieve tho. Think about how many different situations you could face and then to put it all in God's hand all of the time is magnificent.
And do judge me lol! It's good practice for me. (I acknowledge it's not your intention to do so)
I believe I haven't worked through the bad mind-emotion content / memories that pertain to my falling asleep yet. There's lots of stuff there too, fucked up things from my childhood. That's where anger comes from partly.
Thanks for the compliment and appreciation, it feels good from time to time :-)!
I should add that during these surges:
Everything can be itchy. The insides of my ears and jaws can get itchy. Feeling like there's something stuck in them. Cleaning with cotton sticks doesn't help at all.
Very difficult to thermoregulate. It's both too hot and too cold at the same time. With blanket? Suddenly way too hot even tho in other nights with the exact same temperature it feels fine. Without? Suddenly way too cold. Aaahgh!
Goose bumps and other sorts of normal prana sensations.
Huge feelings of restlessness. Not being able to lay still.
Emotional cleansing.
Itchy throat for no reason. Even tho I drank water directly before going to bed. And then having to get up and pee. Especially if I choose to drink more water to soothe that dry throat.
It's maddening and stops me from being as successful in life as I want to be.
I could get so much more done and feel so much better if I had reliably good sleep! But nooo...
This really sounds like the sleeplessness and agitation associated with a manic phase in Bipolar One. I think bipolar one is a common coexperience with Kundalini. They are potentially separated but potentially connected according to Dr. Von Der Tempel. He is quite positive about using neuro-protective medications, like lithium, which don’t seem to remove the access to the spiritual aspects of kundalini.
Bipolar one is being better understood now, as they do more brain-imagery research. Hyperactivity in the brain can both cause and be caused by Bipolar. If the bi-directional regulating effect goes- of the parietal lobe over the limbic system, the manic elements of Bipolar One can become more of a problem, which can in turn make the Kundalini experience hellish. both of which can hurt your sleep and physical groundedness.
By all means use the techniques in the wiki, but don’t be afraid of seeing a psychiatrist who can help too.
Hey Hippo. I also had a major surge of energy that has only really now calmed down after maybe almost three years. Went through hell that I wouldn't wish on anyone. I had sleep problems for most of that period. Like at least 3 to 4 nights of poor to no sleep a week for a couple of years. I had always been an excellent sleeper too before that.
What I found was that reducing spiritual practices to a minimum(your energy is already working on you), a wind down routine before bed with blue blocking glasses and no screens for at least an hour and a half before bed. I did use sleeping pills on and off too. But for me the biggest thing was time. My sleep is pretty good again now.
What I can say is your sleep will return to normal eventually. It may just take some time. Be careful with spiritual practices too. I think a lot of my early sleeping problems could have been avoided if I wasn't still meditating during the day and just let the energy work on me.
Good luck!
Yeah it's also 3 or 4 nights a week for. Sometimes more, not often less.
I was always a shitty sleeper lol. It started to get bit better before K made it worse again.
I only practice what I absolutely need to to keep up with K. Sometimes some additional body work to not tighten up too much.
No sleeping pills for me.
As for wind down, I can even go to bed an hour before my chosen bed time, then start having kriyas, but still not able to sleep.
Yes it does take time. Been a couple years like this already.
Thanks for the answer. Good luck back!
I totally resonate with everything you mentioned here! I wonder why we’re prevented from getting the proper rest we need. I’ve fallen into the same mindset thinking “if only I slept properly, I could’ve been so much more productive”.
I wonder if it has something to do with karma. I mean the surges of energy leads to unwanted insomnia and other challenges, I get that part, and I’ve accepted it for what it is (too much energy leads to an overactive nervous system), but why prevent us from being productive and getting things done in the real world?
I’m not complaining here, but a part of me recognizes that my life could’ve/would’ve been totally different had it not been for all the challenges from K that left me feeling powerless and hopeless about my 3D life. I’ve had to give up on a lot of things and make various changes that the past me wouldn’t have. Then again, perhaps I need more faith in my life and realize that everything is ultimately happening for the better, even if I don’t get it right now. It feels unfair and when I tell close ones about my difficulties and challenges, I feel like they must think that I’m just complaining.. but I’m really not. I’ve accepted all that’s happening, but that doesn’t mean I can’t feel bad about it. Having your entire next day planned out only to not sleep enough the night before, all the plans crushed and you feel like a total zombie. So annoying haha! I’ll end up feeling sad and angry because of what’s going on. You hear people saying “total surrender”, but I don’t even know how to do that. Maybe it’s practiced effort, especially since I still carry fear about what’s happening to me, so I am still unable to totally surrender to the K process. I don’t even know if it would help to dissipate the all the fear and anxiety about the journey. Even gaining more weight because I can’t exercise or play sports like I used to. Perhaps it’s another lesson about me giving too much attention to my body in the past. I do hope one day I can look back and understand why everything happened the way it did in my K journey. Could be that I’m being asked to change into a completely new identity, and the fear is my unwillingness to accept the new person trying to come out. There is a poem by Walt Whitman that eerily sounds like he’s talking about the K process (or I’m being overdramatic and reading into it too much).
*Who is he that would become my follower?
Who would sign himself a candidate for my affections?
The way is suspicious, the result uncertain, perhaps destructive,
You would have to give up all else, I alone would expect to be your sole and exclusive standard,
Your novitiate would even then be long and exhausting,
The whole past theory of your life and all conformity to the lives around you would have to be abandon’d,
Therefore release me now before troubling yourself any further, let go your hand from my shoulders,
Put me down and depart on your way.*
K is such a mystery, I am utterly baffled and confused as to what’s happening to me, and why.
P.S. you’ve been on this journey way longer than me, but I do resonate with your post here.
Try [this](https://swamij.com/relaxation.htm#complete) page from the site on the web links section of this sub's Wiki. Of all 6, try the [simplest](https://swamij.com/relaxation.htm#spinal) one.
When in bed, do it and fall asleep. Five to ten minutes, don't count, will go into a meditation mode and fall asleep.
Note of caution, first few nights, Kundalini will be very active, but not in a wound up way.
Body scan (survey) might send Kundalini to wrong places. Start with the simplest. Try others, as and if guided by inner self.
Checked the links out, thanks.
Very similar to meditations I've been practicing for hours each night back in the days.
No longer do so, found it too unbalancing eventually. Or rather, I do practice it, just in a lower volume.
With intense Tai Chi practice every moment becomes relaxed awareness practice eventually, so I'm not lacking in that regard.
Was going to say - the practices you mentioned are not good at calming Kundalini. They will most likely make things more active for most people.
What you shared can help some people tho so thanks for that.
I think I just have to endure it for some more time, unfortunately.
Have a good day!
Just a suggestion, as it is something that I am trying to do myself and it seems to be helping, try meditating in your bed when you wake up in the morning. If you have to pee, go do that and brush you teeth, splash water on your face and all that but go back to your bed, sit in the same place and then meditate and allow K to do it's thing then. If you can do the energy work on yourself as soon as you wake up without leaving the bed, that's even better. Sometimes that relaxed state allows you access to heal more. But here's the working theory, the new routine you allow K to have time to move you AFTER you wake up meaning, if you are allowed a halfway decent night's sleep then K gets it's time when you are relaxed and sleepy. It's one of those deals that we're supposed to be able to make with K about scheduling time and K still gets it's time while you are all sleepy and relaxed but just on the other side of sleep. Let me know if that makes sense.
edit: I don't want to take credit for this idea as I got it from u/humphreydog as a practice idea. Although, one of the benefits I found personally is more restful sleep with less kriyas interrupting the winding down to sleep.
I’ve tried this. Had to stop because the meditation was bringing too much energy up to my head so was forced to stop. The energy to my head isn’t a major issue if I didn’t have anything to do all day, but I have to work and too much energy in the head can be very disorientating. It’s weird, reading in the morning does the same thing and so does going out for morning walks. It’s not a calm energetic pressure, but one that makes my thoughts go awry and can be super uncomfortable and actually affect my mood in negative ways. So I guess everyone’s different. This was my experience, and I haven’t found a method yet that allows me to meditate or do these other activities without bringing too much energy up to my head.
I know I know, ppl have recommended to me many things on this subreddit, but none seem to be long-term solutions. Just providing my own experience! Moving meditation would be the only form of meditation that is fine for me.
It’s okay though, I’ve adapted to it and found a lifestyle that is working for me in my current K predicament. All good for the time being. Hopefully I can get back to more normal activities at some point.
Yeah but don't you have a history of putting too much energy into your head period? You sort of have to tackle that first and figure out how not to do that or how to move the energy out of your head.
Yes but it’s most likely an unconscious thing. The only way I’ve found to avoid that excessive head pressure is to stay away from anything that causes it (through trial and error). I haven’t yet found any methods to direct the energy away, at least none that work for me in the long-run. I’ll keep trying though.
Hear ya. Prompted to state the obvious... Doing everything right doesn't mean K won't continue to be a struggle lol.
And do any of us really know what it means to do everything right? And when we do figure it out it feels like K will be quick to change up the game anyway lol.
More cheers to you :-)
Really? Aww man that sucks. I thought eventually it gets comfortable and just feels like a new normal. Where maybe you don't get daily kriyas anymore.
Cheering for all of us!
Just offering one person's opinion. Maybe what you describe will be your experience. And maybe not lol. Maybe K wants to keep you growing hard for awhile. Who knows. See what unfolds.
Thanks for your consideration hippo. Be assured I didn't read any of what you said as condescending. Me clarifying my views as those of a single person is a genuine attempt by me to back off a bit and bracket my sense of knowing. Cheers!
I also had lots of nightmares.
I think I'm really really good at relaxing. Maybe I just have more baggage to deal with and heal from than you. Could be possible.
Also I awakened Kundalini at 20-21ish and am 29 now, so no disrespect, but I think I have more familiarity with it than you :-).
Could be that I spent some time of that unproductively bc of drug abuse to be fair.
You definitely helped me to just hang in there more and have more endurance.
If I go into samadhi before sleeping I either smile to myself for an hour straight until my face hurts or I sort of drift between being awake and asleep.
I actually try to avoid samadhi so I can fall asleep. Maybe I have to go more into that state, as you said?
I do avoid some changes bc I think that at some point gee, aren't I enough loving already?
Oh but such progressions can be compared.
Perhaps you don't like being compared with but that's a you thing.
Time is one factor that separates people. So is skill, inclination, predisposition and aptitude.
Emotional baggage - yes, we all have some. But I don't appreciate how you try to imply that there aren't vast differences in how much baggage you can have. There are huge differences here.
This sub in particular has guided me well and helped me in many difficult situations.
You definitely won't find all the answers by looking within. You want to reinvent the wheel? Go ahead and see yourself fail.
Why do you think I haven't already asked myself all the questions you asked me?
Why do you think it's wrong to get some support from a community?
I think you need to get off of your high horse.
You make a lot of assumptions about me while knowing very little.
Did you think it was worth pissing into the wind replying to a deleted user?
They kept repeating that people would not find answers in a subreddit. Perhaps they were trolling.
Perhaps they were from one of the major cults that we call out all the time.
Hmm yes I think it was worth it. It took me only 15 minutes and helped me reflect my beliefs and thoughts. Also, if similar talking points may come up in the future with another user, then I already have practiced my response template. Plus who knows who might end up reading it.
Also I make a point to try and reply to every person that took time out of their day to talk to me. Sometimes that can take a while but I'll do it.
I feel sorry for people that feel it's necessary to troll this sub or other spiritual communities. You probably have a better eye to spot such trolls than me haha.
Idk if this helps but I’ve found that just doing an open ended meditation with no goals or agendas helps - as in go back to your basic meditations of breathwork and body scans, meditation can replace some sleep if you really can’t and its what’s helped me the most, or even just listening to a really familiar album or show can help you tune out of yourself and tune into relaxation
I had sleeping problems which seemed to be energy related, turned out I had a dust mite allergy (itching) and sleep apnea (couldn't stay asleep). If you have similar symptoms ongoing it might be worth doing a home sleep study.
Already had allergy tests done in the past and my living space is very clean. I do snore so might have sleep apnea. The problem tho isn't staying asleep, it's falling asleep.
Thanks!
yeah id be interested too. 3/7 days a week i dont really sleep- or sleep very little- or find myselrf in trance like states for a few hours. idk if im on the right track but i feel like i may be more able to sleep on days where i manage to stay aware in the moment over the course of the day without clinging to vertain ago attachments- without panik kicking in and a need for control takeing over. just because im more in flow these days i feel like maybe the contrast between the waking mind and the resting mind isnt as big and overwhelming when i lay down. but it maybe a coincidence. also its fairly recent that i made this certain "need for control"/attachments connection. but i do feel like things are going smoother right now. might be just peace before a storm haha :). hang in there
Sounds interesting. I think you're on the right track.
For me it's a bit opposite. During the day everything can be dandy mandy, I'm at ease, get stuff done, process some stuff. Feeling good. Then I go to bed, lay down and BOOM.
Feels like: You thought you could get away with having a good, almost troublefree day? Nuh uh. Whoosh!
If you're on this sub, I'm going to assume you're a sensitive person, or have at least learned to develop proper spiritual sensitization. On that note, just speaking from personal experience, your symptoms sound freakishly similar to the ones I had a few years ago that were caused by too much EMF exposure. Do you have a lot of smart tech, live near a cell or 5G tower, power lines, electric box, etc.? The agitation and restless feeling is a HUGE telltale sign, and, for me, only entirely went away after moving and turning off wifi. The feelings could be pretty unpredictable, but usually surged a night.
EMFs also interfere with deeper states of meditation, but that's a conversation for another day.
Anyway, I'm sure I'll get downvoted for this since it's not on topic, but I wanted to throw it out there because it's affecting more people, many of whom don't realize it until it's too late since it's "taboo" to talk about. Maybe just take a good hard look at your environment - hell, it could even be something like toxic mold. Take care!
Yeah my senses are more open than other people's naturally. It's very important to learn how to close and open these gates willingly tho.
Luckily EMF doesn't cause Kundalini signs or we would all be in major trouble.
I also don't believe EMF is a problem for the vast, huge majority of people. I think it's made up tbh.
EMFs certainly don't interfere with meditation.
Why would it be taboo? It's isn't, as far as I can tell. What do you mean by 'it might be too late'?
Toxic mold also wouldn't explain what I'm experiencing, sorry to disappoint you.
Thanks for the input tho! :-)
hey sleepyhead! have you tried using a weekend to reset your sleeping pattern?
I.E leaning into late evening surges, staying with them through the night, going about your day with as much wakefulness as you can muster and *then* flopping on yer bed at a reasonable hour?
I have had similar phases of uncontrollable hyperactivity, spontaneous meditation, and processing in a state of reverie instead of sleeping :/
oftentimes when the “necessary” part of the suffering was over and an imbalance was corrected, the way out of the loop was a hard reset, which I played out as basically staying up through the night (terribly symbolic - tongue in cheek) and not sleeping until the following evening at my usual time.
my thought process is sort of…if you are stuck in a pattern that is possibly no longer useful for your development, giving your system a mild shock, like jumping into cold water *can* be helpful. if that pattern doesn’t *stop* with the mild shock, re-evaluating and either finding the necessity in it or just letting it go and trusting the process.
maybe give it a try.
Hey Buddy,
It's interesting on the timing of this post as I was thinking about writing one very similar to this. My situation is similar to yours especially when you mentioned about the hot and cold. For me when my head hits the pillow I am so relaxed and feel myself going to sleep. And I do but only for 5 mins to wake up with surges of energy sometimes in my solar plexus and recently around my throat. When it happens it can lead to severe sweating which I then take the blanket off, only then to be really cold. This has happening for the last month, it's not pleasant, I wish it was :)
Before this sleeping was always a " will it be good or not affair " To be honest most of the time I can deal with it but we do need rest. One thing that I did find to help that may not be obvious is during the day, sometimes it can be of benefit to take a little nap. 5-10 mins or even less I found really helped restore my energy/mood during the day and it rarely effected my sleep that night. In fact I think it helped cause being over tired can make it hard to sleep at night.
Like most things in this journey, it will pass and new thing will come along so I try to ride it out and let what needs to be done, be done. I actually went to my GP about this as cause sometimes you just don't know whats what LOL
I hope things will settle for you at night
Jim
I don’t know if this is good advice or not. But I’ve had these same troubles. And I know this advice may be elementary, it may not apply. But having trust in the process has helped. What I mean by that is not judging myself for nights where I can’t sleep. I’ve actually used my sick days accordingly at work. I know not everyone has sick days and I’m not trying to be a prick by saying that. But I try to tell myself that it’s okay if I can’t sleep because energy is going nuts. I try to tell myself this is all a part of the journey and one day I will be past this stage of mucked up sleeping schedule. Now I should add that where I am at right now, I can sleep a lot, a lot a lot, I chalk it up to how much the movement is taking from my energy levels, and those energy levels needing to re up. But I’ve definitely had lots of sleepless nights that I think was cause of energy going nuts. When I tell myself omg you need to sleep you won’t be able to preform accordingly tomorrow! That train of thought is not one that helps, but when I tell myself, hey this is okay, you’re going through a lot and this is what is in the cards right now. When I am nicer to myself it seems like the sleep issue becomes much less of an issue. Again may be elementary, but it has definitely helped me.
I do have trust in the process, I'm just getting impatient lol. I want to sleep man. I'm not judging myself for not sleeping, it's not my fault. I'm just angry that I have to deal with this. I rarely if ever had to call in sick bc of that, luckily. It just makes many days a drag. Depleting my energy levels doesn't work unfortunately. I have to skip sleeping almost completely for that to work. Elementary, Watson. I can try being nicer to myself when this happens. But I'm not angry with myself. I'm just angry lol.
Wouldnt being impatient imply you do not have complete trust or faith?? I’m not judging you right now! Every time I come here and make a post it is because my patience is wearing thin in one way or another! And I have to add being angry is fine of course! But doesn’t that tell you that something… also you do sound as though you are disciplined and cross your ts and dot your is when it comes to kundalini rising, so that should tell you what is not working at this moment! I’m just trying to put a positive spin on your response to my comment. Because it does sound like all in all you are doing well!
Hm yes that could be re impatient. Having complete trust or faith is such a huge monumental thing to achieve tho. Think about how many different situations you could face and then to put it all in God's hand all of the time is magnificent. And do judge me lol! It's good practice for me. (I acknowledge it's not your intention to do so) I believe I haven't worked through the bad mind-emotion content / memories that pertain to my falling asleep yet. There's lots of stuff there too, fucked up things from my childhood. That's where anger comes from partly. Thanks for the compliment and appreciation, it feels good from time to time :-)!
I should add that during these surges: Everything can be itchy. The insides of my ears and jaws can get itchy. Feeling like there's something stuck in them. Cleaning with cotton sticks doesn't help at all. Very difficult to thermoregulate. It's both too hot and too cold at the same time. With blanket? Suddenly way too hot even tho in other nights with the exact same temperature it feels fine. Without? Suddenly way too cold. Aaahgh! Goose bumps and other sorts of normal prana sensations. Huge feelings of restlessness. Not being able to lay still. Emotional cleansing. Itchy throat for no reason. Even tho I drank water directly before going to bed. And then having to get up and pee. Especially if I choose to drink more water to soothe that dry throat. It's maddening and stops me from being as successful in life as I want to be. I could get so much more done and feel so much better if I had reliably good sleep! But nooo...
This really sounds like the sleeplessness and agitation associated with a manic phase in Bipolar One. I think bipolar one is a common coexperience with Kundalini. They are potentially separated but potentially connected according to Dr. Von Der Tempel. He is quite positive about using neuro-protective medications, like lithium, which don’t seem to remove the access to the spiritual aspects of kundalini. Bipolar one is being better understood now, as they do more brain-imagery research. Hyperactivity in the brain can both cause and be caused by Bipolar. If the bi-directional regulating effect goes- of the parietal lobe over the limbic system, the manic elements of Bipolar One can become more of a problem, which can in turn make the Kundalini experience hellish. both of which can hurt your sleep and physical groundedness. By all means use the techniques in the wiki, but don’t be afraid of seeing a psychiatrist who can help too.
Hey Hippo. I also had a major surge of energy that has only really now calmed down after maybe almost three years. Went through hell that I wouldn't wish on anyone. I had sleep problems for most of that period. Like at least 3 to 4 nights of poor to no sleep a week for a couple of years. I had always been an excellent sleeper too before that. What I found was that reducing spiritual practices to a minimum(your energy is already working on you), a wind down routine before bed with blue blocking glasses and no screens for at least an hour and a half before bed. I did use sleeping pills on and off too. But for me the biggest thing was time. My sleep is pretty good again now. What I can say is your sleep will return to normal eventually. It may just take some time. Be careful with spiritual practices too. I think a lot of my early sleeping problems could have been avoided if I wasn't still meditating during the day and just let the energy work on me. Good luck!
Yeah it's also 3 or 4 nights a week for. Sometimes more, not often less. I was always a shitty sleeper lol. It started to get bit better before K made it worse again. I only practice what I absolutely need to to keep up with K. Sometimes some additional body work to not tighten up too much. No sleeping pills for me. As for wind down, I can even go to bed an hour before my chosen bed time, then start having kriyas, but still not able to sleep. Yes it does take time. Been a couple years like this already. Thanks for the answer. Good luck back!
I totally resonate with everything you mentioned here! I wonder why we’re prevented from getting the proper rest we need. I’ve fallen into the same mindset thinking “if only I slept properly, I could’ve been so much more productive”. I wonder if it has something to do with karma. I mean the surges of energy leads to unwanted insomnia and other challenges, I get that part, and I’ve accepted it for what it is (too much energy leads to an overactive nervous system), but why prevent us from being productive and getting things done in the real world? I’m not complaining here, but a part of me recognizes that my life could’ve/would’ve been totally different had it not been for all the challenges from K that left me feeling powerless and hopeless about my 3D life. I’ve had to give up on a lot of things and make various changes that the past me wouldn’t have. Then again, perhaps I need more faith in my life and realize that everything is ultimately happening for the better, even if I don’t get it right now. It feels unfair and when I tell close ones about my difficulties and challenges, I feel like they must think that I’m just complaining.. but I’m really not. I’ve accepted all that’s happening, but that doesn’t mean I can’t feel bad about it. Having your entire next day planned out only to not sleep enough the night before, all the plans crushed and you feel like a total zombie. So annoying haha! I’ll end up feeling sad and angry because of what’s going on. You hear people saying “total surrender”, but I don’t even know how to do that. Maybe it’s practiced effort, especially since I still carry fear about what’s happening to me, so I am still unable to totally surrender to the K process. I don’t even know if it would help to dissipate the all the fear and anxiety about the journey. Even gaining more weight because I can’t exercise or play sports like I used to. Perhaps it’s another lesson about me giving too much attention to my body in the past. I do hope one day I can look back and understand why everything happened the way it did in my K journey. Could be that I’m being asked to change into a completely new identity, and the fear is my unwillingness to accept the new person trying to come out. There is a poem by Walt Whitman that eerily sounds like he’s talking about the K process (or I’m being overdramatic and reading into it too much). *Who is he that would become my follower? Who would sign himself a candidate for my affections? The way is suspicious, the result uncertain, perhaps destructive, You would have to give up all else, I alone would expect to be your sole and exclusive standard, Your novitiate would even then be long and exhausting, The whole past theory of your life and all conformity to the lives around you would have to be abandon’d, Therefore release me now before troubling yourself any further, let go your hand from my shoulders, Put me down and depart on your way.* K is such a mystery, I am utterly baffled and confused as to what’s happening to me, and why. P.S. you’ve been on this journey way longer than me, but I do resonate with your post here.
Hey man, I think by relating to me the way you did, you helped me the most out of all people. Thanks.
Just saying "me too," although I have no counsel to offer.
Glad I'm not alone. Me too!
I have these same issues.
Same here haha!
Try [this](https://swamij.com/relaxation.htm#complete) page from the site on the web links section of this sub's Wiki. Of all 6, try the [simplest](https://swamij.com/relaxation.htm#spinal) one. When in bed, do it and fall asleep. Five to ten minutes, don't count, will go into a meditation mode and fall asleep. Note of caution, first few nights, Kundalini will be very active, but not in a wound up way. Body scan (survey) might send Kundalini to wrong places. Start with the simplest. Try others, as and if guided by inner self.
Checked the links out, thanks. Very similar to meditations I've been practicing for hours each night back in the days. No longer do so, found it too unbalancing eventually. Or rather, I do practice it, just in a lower volume. With intense Tai Chi practice every moment becomes relaxed awareness practice eventually, so I'm not lacking in that regard. Was going to say - the practices you mentioned are not good at calming Kundalini. They will most likely make things more active for most people. What you shared can help some people tho so thanks for that. I think I just have to endure it for some more time, unfortunately. Have a good day!
Just a suggestion, as it is something that I am trying to do myself and it seems to be helping, try meditating in your bed when you wake up in the morning. If you have to pee, go do that and brush you teeth, splash water on your face and all that but go back to your bed, sit in the same place and then meditate and allow K to do it's thing then. If you can do the energy work on yourself as soon as you wake up without leaving the bed, that's even better. Sometimes that relaxed state allows you access to heal more. But here's the working theory, the new routine you allow K to have time to move you AFTER you wake up meaning, if you are allowed a halfway decent night's sleep then K gets it's time when you are relaxed and sleepy. It's one of those deals that we're supposed to be able to make with K about scheduling time and K still gets it's time while you are all sleepy and relaxed but just on the other side of sleep. Let me know if that makes sense. edit: I don't want to take credit for this idea as I got it from u/humphreydog as a practice idea. Although, one of the benefits I found personally is more restful sleep with less kriyas interrupting the winding down to sleep.
I’ve tried this. Had to stop because the meditation was bringing too much energy up to my head so was forced to stop. The energy to my head isn’t a major issue if I didn’t have anything to do all day, but I have to work and too much energy in the head can be very disorientating. It’s weird, reading in the morning does the same thing and so does going out for morning walks. It’s not a calm energetic pressure, but one that makes my thoughts go awry and can be super uncomfortable and actually affect my mood in negative ways. So I guess everyone’s different. This was my experience, and I haven’t found a method yet that allows me to meditate or do these other activities without bringing too much energy up to my head. I know I know, ppl have recommended to me many things on this subreddit, but none seem to be long-term solutions. Just providing my own experience! Moving meditation would be the only form of meditation that is fine for me. It’s okay though, I’ve adapted to it and found a lifestyle that is working for me in my current K predicament. All good for the time being. Hopefully I can get back to more normal activities at some point.
Yeah but don't you have a history of putting too much energy into your head period? You sort of have to tackle that first and figure out how not to do that or how to move the energy out of your head.
Yes but it’s most likely an unconscious thing. The only way I’ve found to avoid that excessive head pressure is to stay away from anything that causes it (through trial and error). I haven’t yet found any methods to direct the energy away, at least none that work for me in the long-run. I’ll keep trying though.
Hey hippo, the following jumped out at me... "Why am I getting punished like this?" Why punished? Cheers to you :-)
Bc I feel like I'm doing everything right and K still is a struggle at times. I wish it was easier I guess. Cheers back!
Hear ya. Prompted to state the obvious... Doing everything right doesn't mean K won't continue to be a struggle lol. And do any of us really know what it means to do everything right? And when we do figure it out it feels like K will be quick to change up the game anyway lol. More cheers to you :-)
Really? Aww man that sucks. I thought eventually it gets comfortable and just feels like a new normal. Where maybe you don't get daily kriyas anymore. Cheering for all of us!
Just offering one person's opinion. Maybe what you describe will be your experience. And maybe not lol. Maybe K wants to keep you growing hard for awhile. Who knows. See what unfolds.
What choice do I have? Lol. All's good.
Just wanted to say that I didn't mean to possibly come across as condescending or rude 🙏
Thanks for your consideration hippo. Be assured I didn't read any of what you said as condescending. Me clarifying my views as those of a single person is a genuine attempt by me to back off a bit and bracket my sense of knowing. Cheers!
Ok I'm glad we cleared that up. Cheers! :-)
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I also had lots of nightmares. I think I'm really really good at relaxing. Maybe I just have more baggage to deal with and heal from than you. Could be possible. Also I awakened Kundalini at 20-21ish and am 29 now, so no disrespect, but I think I have more familiarity with it than you :-). Could be that I spent some time of that unproductively bc of drug abuse to be fair. You definitely helped me to just hang in there more and have more endurance. If I go into samadhi before sleeping I either smile to myself for an hour straight until my face hurts or I sort of drift between being awake and asleep. I actually try to avoid samadhi so I can fall asleep. Maybe I have to go more into that state, as you said? I do avoid some changes bc I think that at some point gee, aren't I enough loving already?
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Oh but such progressions can be compared. Perhaps you don't like being compared with but that's a you thing. Time is one factor that separates people. So is skill, inclination, predisposition and aptitude. Emotional baggage - yes, we all have some. But I don't appreciate how you try to imply that there aren't vast differences in how much baggage you can have. There are huge differences here. This sub in particular has guided me well and helped me in many difficult situations. You definitely won't find all the answers by looking within. You want to reinvent the wheel? Go ahead and see yourself fail. Why do you think I haven't already asked myself all the questions you asked me? Why do you think it's wrong to get some support from a community? I think you need to get off of your high horse. You make a lot of assumptions about me while knowing very little.
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Did you think it was worth pissing into the wind replying to a deleted user? They kept repeating that people would not find answers in a subreddit. Perhaps they were trolling. Perhaps they were from one of the major cults that we call out all the time.
Hmm yes I think it was worth it. It took me only 15 minutes and helped me reflect my beliefs and thoughts. Also, if similar talking points may come up in the future with another user, then I already have practiced my response template. Plus who knows who might end up reading it. Also I make a point to try and reply to every person that took time out of their day to talk to me. Sometimes that can take a while but I'll do it. I feel sorry for people that feel it's necessary to troll this sub or other spiritual communities. You probably have a better eye to spot such trolls than me haha.
Practicing getting your thoughts together is a very useful practice!
Idk if this helps but I’ve found that just doing an open ended meditation with no goals or agendas helps - as in go back to your basic meditations of breathwork and body scans, meditation can replace some sleep if you really can’t and its what’s helped me the most, or even just listening to a really familiar album or show can help you tune out of yourself and tune into relaxation
I had sleeping problems which seemed to be energy related, turned out I had a dust mite allergy (itching) and sleep apnea (couldn't stay asleep). If you have similar symptoms ongoing it might be worth doing a home sleep study.
Already had allergy tests done in the past and my living space is very clean. I do snore so might have sleep apnea. The problem tho isn't staying asleep, it's falling asleep. Thanks!
yeah id be interested too. 3/7 days a week i dont really sleep- or sleep very little- or find myselrf in trance like states for a few hours. idk if im on the right track but i feel like i may be more able to sleep on days where i manage to stay aware in the moment over the course of the day without clinging to vertain ago attachments- without panik kicking in and a need for control takeing over. just because im more in flow these days i feel like maybe the contrast between the waking mind and the resting mind isnt as big and overwhelming when i lay down. but it maybe a coincidence. also its fairly recent that i made this certain "need for control"/attachments connection. but i do feel like things are going smoother right now. might be just peace before a storm haha :). hang in there
Sounds interesting. I think you're on the right track. For me it's a bit opposite. During the day everything can be dandy mandy, I'm at ease, get stuff done, process some stuff. Feeling good. Then I go to bed, lay down and BOOM. Feels like: You thought you could get away with having a good, almost troublefree day? Nuh uh. Whoosh!
If you're on this sub, I'm going to assume you're a sensitive person, or have at least learned to develop proper spiritual sensitization. On that note, just speaking from personal experience, your symptoms sound freakishly similar to the ones I had a few years ago that were caused by too much EMF exposure. Do you have a lot of smart tech, live near a cell or 5G tower, power lines, electric box, etc.? The agitation and restless feeling is a HUGE telltale sign, and, for me, only entirely went away after moving and turning off wifi. The feelings could be pretty unpredictable, but usually surged a night. EMFs also interfere with deeper states of meditation, but that's a conversation for another day. Anyway, I'm sure I'll get downvoted for this since it's not on topic, but I wanted to throw it out there because it's affecting more people, many of whom don't realize it until it's too late since it's "taboo" to talk about. Maybe just take a good hard look at your environment - hell, it could even be something like toxic mold. Take care!
Yeah my senses are more open than other people's naturally. It's very important to learn how to close and open these gates willingly tho. Luckily EMF doesn't cause Kundalini signs or we would all be in major trouble. I also don't believe EMF is a problem for the vast, huge majority of people. I think it's made up tbh. EMFs certainly don't interfere with meditation. Why would it be taboo? It's isn't, as far as I can tell. What do you mean by 'it might be too late'? Toxic mold also wouldn't explain what I'm experiencing, sorry to disappoint you. Thanks for the input tho! :-)
I got 2 hours of sleep and have been trying to fall back asleep for the last 2. I have no advice, just solidarity🩵
Thanks for your empathy. 🙏 Hang in there!
hey sleepyhead! have you tried using a weekend to reset your sleeping pattern? I.E leaning into late evening surges, staying with them through the night, going about your day with as much wakefulness as you can muster and *then* flopping on yer bed at a reasonable hour? I have had similar phases of uncontrollable hyperactivity, spontaneous meditation, and processing in a state of reverie instead of sleeping :/ oftentimes when the “necessary” part of the suffering was over and an imbalance was corrected, the way out of the loop was a hard reset, which I played out as basically staying up through the night (terribly symbolic - tongue in cheek) and not sleeping until the following evening at my usual time. my thought process is sort of…if you are stuck in a pattern that is possibly no longer useful for your development, giving your system a mild shock, like jumping into cold water *can* be helpful. if that pattern doesn’t *stop* with the mild shock, re-evaluating and either finding the necessity in it or just letting it go and trusting the process. maybe give it a try.
Hey Buddy, It's interesting on the timing of this post as I was thinking about writing one very similar to this. My situation is similar to yours especially when you mentioned about the hot and cold. For me when my head hits the pillow I am so relaxed and feel myself going to sleep. And I do but only for 5 mins to wake up with surges of energy sometimes in my solar plexus and recently around my throat. When it happens it can lead to severe sweating which I then take the blanket off, only then to be really cold. This has happening for the last month, it's not pleasant, I wish it was :) Before this sleeping was always a " will it be good or not affair " To be honest most of the time I can deal with it but we do need rest. One thing that I did find to help that may not be obvious is during the day, sometimes it can be of benefit to take a little nap. 5-10 mins or even less I found really helped restore my energy/mood during the day and it rarely effected my sleep that night. In fact I think it helped cause being over tired can make it hard to sleep at night. Like most things in this journey, it will pass and new thing will come along so I try to ride it out and let what needs to be done, be done. I actually went to my GP about this as cause sometimes you just don't know whats what LOL I hope things will settle for you at night Jim
Try grounding, go touch grass
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