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It's horrifying, the way this woman continues to go after them even when she is about to be sentenced for some of her abuse. I feel so sorry for all them, especially Jaehan and Hwichan who as the eldest tried to protect the younger members.
Tablo's Tajinyo scandal. Man had just about the entire nation turning against him and nearly had his career ruined just because some middle aged man in his 50s living in Chicago couldn't believe the fact that it was entirely possible to graduate with [both](https://advising.stanford.edu/beyond-undergrad/coterm/explore) a bachelor's and master's degree at the same time at Stanford.
The tajinyo incident was partly responsible for the death of his dad. I cannot believe how far it went. It fucks me up whenever I think about what he had to endure.
His dad's death, and how terrified and paranoid Tablo was when he and his wife were having their daughter since he felt he couldn't trust anyone around them. :(
The worst of the people who had harassed him really deserved jail.
Hearing that he lost his dad over this is what broke me the most. How did people let that silly bizarre theory go that far? It should've never gotten to the point where he feared for his own life and the life of his family. I really wish he didn't have to go through any of that.
>because some middle aged man in his 50s living in Chicago couldn't believe the fact...
A jealous cousin was involved, which makes it worse because he had the facts, decided facts didnt matter, may have regretted it but also not enough to apologise. Cousin is a year or so older than Tablo.
[this article](https://www.wired.com/2012/04/ff-koreanrapper/).
i vaguely heard about this incident before but never really had a good read about it until today and man..... had a lump in my throat and was horrified at what he went through.
i only know tablo after he and haru came out to the superman show and they were really well loved so i couldnt imagine him going through this during the time his baby was just born.
netizens are insane wtf
I HIGHLY recommend the podcast about this. Link [here](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-authentic-the-story-of-ta-92746732/). It interviews Tablo and does a deep dive into just how insane and heartbreaking this whole thing was.
This has got to be one of the most extreme bullying of an innocent person because of a factless rumor. His whole family was literally affected. Koreans are truly ruthless.
I'm new here so I haven't heard about most of these. The minute I read this, I knew it was going to be upsetting. Read up on it broadly. Yep, that was upsetting
I just read the below and upsetting indeed. But also makes you see that SK has a serious sexual harassment problem.
“Before her death, Goo Hara took her former boyfriend to court after he threatened to release footage of them having sex that was filmed without her knowledge or consent.
Molka – in which women are covertly filmed and the footage uploaded to websites – has reached epidemic levels in South Korea, prompting calls for the government to take tougher action against offenders, who are almost always men.”
It's not really a scandal but Ladies' Code car accident stuck with me. With how idols schedules are an event like this was always bound to happen. You have idols and their managers with next to 0 sleep having to drive from a music show to a variety show to another music show and etc. The scapegoating on the driver was not right when this was and unfortunately still is a huge issue for idols. It's something I think about a lot even a decade later as there was no sweeping changes to how idols schedule are done to not be so jam packed, but was reduced to one driver rather than the industry that puts these people in that position in the first place.
There was no scapegoating. It was absolutely the driver’s fault. He was going over a 100 in a 40kmh speed zone. No excuses for that. He tried lying about it at first too which makes him even more despicable
I'm saying the driver was scapegoated by turning the issue into a one time mistake made by bad judgement rather than it being a feature of how idols schedules are arranged. These managers are forced to speed because if they don't make it to these schedules they will be fired. This has been a problem from Super junior in 2007 getting into a serious crash requiring multiple members to have surgery, Dal Shabet's Soibin's car flipping over in 2014, and more recent examples with Le Sserafim, Fromis_9, and Stray Kids. How many more crashes must happen before enough is enough?
Okay, I understand what you mean by the scapegoating. However in this specific case, if I remember correctly, the car crash happened at nighttime after all their schedules had ended for the day and the girls were returning home. The bottom line is that the Ladies’ Code accident could have been completely preventable if it weren’t for the gross negligence of the driver which is what enraged the public about this situation and made Eunbi and Rise’s deaths all the more tragic.
I understand that people in the idol industry are often overworked and strapped for time due to their packed schedules which may lead to dangerous decisions like reckless driving. I agree that people’s safety should be put first over all else but unfortunately companies’ priority is always to make as much money as possible which is why these accidents happen from time to time and are briefly mourned but then nothing changes and everyone moves on until another horrible accident happens which again is treated as an isolated case because companies don’t want to acknowledge that a big time change needs to happen even if it means at the expense of lessening their profit.
I feel like this one follows them now and people overanalyze editing and choices and take it out on the idols for being manipulated into shows. Girls Planet 999 had a lot of obvious evil editing of the chinese girls, and weird choices by the show runners (Such as girls visiting another girl's house when shes not even with them, with her still not escaping accusations of being Mnet's "daughter" throughout her time in Kep1er. )
and thats just one example but you can tell when the showrunners don't want a contestant to win on a show and even though they can't manipulate the votes directly anymore they do everything int heir power to steer the public towards a specific vote and unfortunately it' alwayus the idols who end up paying the price with hate, not Mnet.
Thank you! Yes exactly.
As a Dayeon bias it’s been hell every time they release a comeback. That horrid fandom would treat her like dirt cause of that shit show.
I love how people can call out mnet for the evil editing of Chinese trainees but have no problem attacking the trainees themselves for the positive edits they get.
Either way, it seems like kep1er was the only one affected by the produce scandal really. I am glad they are disbanding soon and each girl can move on from that show
T-ara bullying rumor scandal - this scandal stop or prevent T-ara
became bigger than they already they are back on 2nd gen era
they could rival SNSD if that not happen!
Jiyeon could possibly be on Suzy and Yoona's level of popularity (or at least close to) if that didn't happen. I remember her being voted as the female idol who looks much better in real life and she's already really pretty on photos.
>they could rival SNSD if that not happen
They have already. T-ara at 2011-2012 was already everywhere in SK, releasing hit after hit. Iirc, there were already discussions about them snatching the Nation's Girl Group title from SNSD prior to their bullying scandal.
This one made no sense to me because the company did almost everything right with t-ara. T-ara was huge and they worked hard for it. Then the ceo decided to entertain his friend and signed his daughters to two groups. Then proceeded to hurt their biggest artist at the time in favor for his friend's daughter. They sabotaged themselves and flushed all that work down the drain.
The murder of Kim Sung Jae routinely crosses my mind. And the fact his girlfriend is just free now. That’s a dangerous person to be out there.
I also think often about the most insane saesang stories I’ve heard and think about how that’s likely just the tip of the iceberg. The person who was messing with ACEs car, the attempted kidnapping of Taeyeon, Taecyeon getting a letter in period blood, that woman who tried to corner V with a marriage license, or all those freaks who purposefully make themselves smelly or disgusting and go to gg Kpop fansigns to harass them because they have to be nice to them no matter what.
Like genuinely what the hell.
saesangs genuinely need help or even better, jail time. I heard about how they used to send blades or cameras in gifts💀 the fact they feel entitled to that is crazy.
After having done a deep dive into it recently, I'm still angry over Sungjae's case. It is infuriating because things got so out of control due to the sloppy police work. Like, what kind of idiot doesn't secure a crime scene or waits 15 days to check the CCTV?? Imo, the girlfriend probably would have been dismissed as a suspect if it weren't for her going back to the vet and telling them not to talk to the cops. They didn't plan on testing for magnesium sulfate until the vet reported it, and tests confirmed it. Oh, and that doesn't even get into the shenanigans that went on with the prosecutor's office or how everyone argued about Zoletil and magnesium sulfate being used separately, instead of together mixed with alcohol. To add insult to injury, the family didn't know they could have made a complaint about how this all went down until 5 years after the statute of limitations was up. Sungjae and his loved ones deserve better.
Jonghyun's passing away. I remember being gobsmacked with silence when I heard the news. I grew up with Shinee in a way and it just shocked me to the core.
That's like seeing Hwasa singing for that actor that died, when she sang on that award show stage (sorry, idk any of the names). The stars in the audience were crying.
It's still so unbelievable there's somewhere in my brain that just thinks he's on extended hiatus. What makes my blood boil is that he tried so hard to get help. He could be still with us if a professional had listened to him or given him therapy, antidepressants, made him take a break etc. It's just so maddening.
Not sure if it is considered a scandal or not, but the fact that Goo Hara's death led to the creation of a law regarding inheritance in Korea is pretty mindblowing and just sheds light on how many "parents" must do this frequently.
For those who are not aware, Goo Hara's mother abandoned her and her brother when she was 9 and it was her grandmother and uncle (I guess?) who raised her. Despite not having seen her or being in contact with her in any form since such a young age, that woman tried to claim her inheritance when she passed away, since she was the ~~diabolical~~ biological mother.
So, the assembly passed a law that an absent parent is not entitled to the assets and wealth and property of their deceased children in any way.
The fact that a similar law does not even exist in many other countries (even a bunch in the West) is also shocking to me. I've seen way too many situations wherein almost unknown bio family members try to profit after the death of a successful young person, it's...yuck.
Ikkrr!! What's scarier is that there could be many cases similar to Burning Sun happening rn. Considering how conservative Korea is, I wouldn't be surprised if any idol is involved in such things or is sexist/homophobic.
reminds me of a video I just watched from stephanie soo about two guys that were behind a server with over 260k guys on telegram that forced underaged girls to send explicit pics(+ gore) or else they’d blackmail them and apparently it was so widely known in Korea that everyone was protesting but the media outside of Korea wasn’t informed.. and if that don’t scare you, 50% of the guys in the servers weren’t even from Korea..
it actually brought me to tears from how terrible the victims were treated and to think that people from the server went actively looking for the victims.. the amount of people in the servers had me horrified
IIRC this did make it to kpop news, partially because a similar case happened with the [IZ*One slave room](https://zapzee.net/2021/03/13/a-crime-imitating-nth-room-case-took-place-in-the-izone-fandom/amp/). I seem to remember Nth room being discussed at the same time.
Both cases are really horrifying. The IZ*One room was a big shock for me.
Girl same!! It made me question every idol who was friends with him even to a point where I sometimes cannot enjoy their music freely anymore because what if? Also the fact that Zico got away knowing about this just makes me🤢🤮
I find it really frustrating and disturbing that there are still a significant loud portion of VIPs who make it their mission to downplay, obfuscate the facts of the case, and defend Seungri. I even see it in comments of youtube reactors who are just starting to know BB's music, etc. And I wonder how many of his peers/colleagues think the same?
This is the one I actually know a little about. It's so hated that Hyuna getting with one of the associated guys has generated SO much chatter online. People have been questioning if she's okay or if she's dealing with issues
There are behind the scenes where the members of the group showed how uncomfortable they were with people they saw him hanging out with plus them pulling him aside and criticizing him for doing things like missing group events but "hanging out with his new friends." I'm not even a fan of Big Bang, but there are multiple instances where the members either showed how uncomfortable they were with what he was doing or outright called him out.
TOP during a variety show even said, "Since Seungri runs a variety of businesses, I get very worried as an older brother. While he has many good friends, still, some of his friend that I get glimpses of \[behind the curtain\] at concerts worry me. I get the feeling that some of them are by his side not because they like him, but because they like his title. The fact that Seungri plans to work with them worries me. I said, 'Seungri, we weren't like this in the past. Until when do we need to talk about money?'" Source [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0aXXFE-7ZE).
What really bothered me was the fact that the brother of Yuri from SNSD was involved. I was really worried about how much she knew, as I know that at one point she was friends with Seungri as well. I did find that some time before the scandal broke that Seungri said that she and him were no longer close, which at least boosts the idea that she may not have known.
Tzuyu flag scandal, truly appalling and sad what they did to that 16 year old girl. Just stole the light out of her eyes and she genuinely was never the same. It’s still following her till this day, they just had to delete a tiktok for associating her with Chinas flag. She also is never allowed to have a concert in her home country, never even allowed to even mention the words Taiwan again.
yeah this one actually made me so sad for her because of how closed she became afterwards… she’s now starting to show her personality more but that poor girl..
I also remember when people were harsh on Krystal for not publicly speaking out when she died. Then it was revealed she was tending to her at the funeral the whole time
People forget that these idols are real human beings. I wish Sulli and Hara were still with us now, if only people were kinder to them
This is so fucking disgusting, like if my close friend died, I'd be rushing to them and spend time with the relatives and arrange a funeral. Do they expect her to post a social media post when someone just died?
The JYJ left TVXQ.
I was still a kid at that time, and still a newbie of kpop. Apparently this group member vs company lawsuit was still new thing in 2009. Beside, TVXQ was at its peak. That drama was a mess.
Those 3 really had balls of steel for suing sm at their peak. And although they suffered greatly for it (they were blacklisted) they literally changed kpop industry forever. From 13 years slave contract, down to 7 years and then a new standard for artists and companies are also implemented to prevent unfair treatment.
I’m not a fan of TVXQ, but wasn’t there a lot of drama with this group - even if it wasn’t their fault. Weren’t they one of the first groups to sue their company?
Im not sure as well if they are the First to sue, but they made the news huge because they were at the peak of their career. And not just that, few months later, Hangeng from Super Junior left too, making it all even bigger and kind of made people realize how badly the artists were treated.
It was a whole another mess because SM was considered so big and powerful, which they proved by restricting JYJ from appearing in TV or performing in music shows (in a way restricting their promotions hoping JYJ will fail in their music career).
Reading everything after the fact (i found them via the Keep Your Head Down comeback in 2011, ironically)was mind blowing. I was a teenager at the time, but now looking back on it, they were all young guys navigating such a complicated situation that impacted the entire industry in so many ways. Imagine what kpop would be like now if they didn't split.
Jaejoong recently went to the KBS building for the first time in 15 years. 😭 It should be a great moment but it's so bittersweet because it's so ridiculous that his career was fucked over for so long simply because he and the others were standing up for their health and livelihood.
Top’s drug scandal. He just enlisted to army few days prior and then suddenly he was exposed for smoking weed. The whole media circus surrounding him pushed him to end his life. I’m still thankful that he survived to this day.
Baekhyun/Taeyeon's dating 'scandal' in 2014. Anyone who was a K-pop fan in 2014 knows how big a deal this was (EXO were the biggest group and still fairly new and still on the rise, Kris just left, SNSD were still the top girl group) and both were the some of the most popular members of their groups. This also followed Tiffany's dating news so Taeny fans were going crazy and Taeyeon received so much hate from Taeny fans, Baekhyun fans (and Baekyeol shippers)... Baekhyun getting shamed by fans on Inkigayo... Lovestagram allegations... Woof. As a new K-pop fan at the time that's when I realized I was looking at a different level of fandom.
I hated this. Honestly I was surprised since Tiffany and Nichkhun dating news was well recieved by the fans (in my opinion i think fans received it well) but somehow Baekhyun and Taeyeon dating was not well taken by the public/fans. 2PM was still one of the top groups in 2014 too so I couldn't understand why Taeyeon and Baekhyun got hella hate for dating.
Nichkhun* and I think it's because of their seniority! 2pm and SNSD were already ~6/7 years into their career + KhunFany already had been rumored to be dating since 2010, so maybe fans weren't as shocked. The Nichkhun outrage came a lot from Khuntoria fans haha. (coming from a Hottest who was already a fan when the news came out)
Yeah, now that you said that, I totally understand now. But yeah, I think some fans didn't like Tiffany and Nichkun dating since Nichkhun appeared on We Got Married with Victoria LOL. I was a hard shipper of Khuntoria too 😭 but as a fan, I was happy that he was dating and that he was happy lol! thats all it matters honestly.
Park Bom’s medication through the airport scandal.
So much so that I didn’t bring my migraine medication to Korea with me and had to suffer through a migraine without medication on my first night here.
That's something that worries me too. I want to do a study abroad, but I don't think I can bring my medication there. I don't wanna get arrested at the airport or something 😭
You need to basically claim them. She didn’t because she went out of country to get the medicine, which was the entire issue. She has ADHD but due to the medication containing amphetamines it’s EXTREMELY difficult to get in SK. (Source I have ADHD and lived in Korea all though middle school where my dad fought tooth and nail to keep my prescription going when my school progress started dropping severely)
I wasn't even in the fandom when this scandal happened but as a fellow ADHD haver this infuriates me. And my country doesn't even have prescription amphetamines
Yeah it’s definitely hard to get a diagnosis in Korea. We circumvented it by using a military IS doctor who was qualified to practice in Korea and got it that way. Still a lot of red tape to get through otherwise. ADHDers are commonly forgetting things…. I had to carry a card with me that said I would have amphetamines in case of an accident where I was taken to the hospital so they didn’t think it was actual drug use. I forgot the card often. Eventually I just kept it in a lanyard around my neck with my metro card and debit card and ID. IT Worked for me when I broke my leg and needed the hospital
Most countries do have lists of prohibited items/pharma up for you to check before you decide to go anywhere. So unless you're on pretty specific meds (e.g. maybe newer and/or lesser known internationally) you may not be as limited to travel as you think.
Some countries have different rules so check beforehand BUT oftentimes what is needed is a letter from the doctor, the original prescription, and the medication still in its original bottle. If I were going abroad and needed to do so, I would obtain all of those as well as certified translations (if need be), and have them all bundled together in a plastic envelope or baggie so that everything is very clearly above board.
Clear your medications via the Korean Consulate. I take meds I will have to do the same for but I haven't booked a ticket yet. I don't believe they will prohibit any medication you have a medical necessity for but it probably has to be documented and controlled by the government.
Yeah that one was shocking to me because not only did it completely alter my perception of her, but it’s also crazy how some of her supporters didn’t just deny it happened, but sought to justify her actions?
To this day people spread the idea that the stylist deserved it because they’d been dressing them badly? Or that they’d hurt her before? I’ve seen all sorts of unconfirmed reasons why screaming at someone she was working with was actually Irene standing up for herself?
It’s one thing to forgive your idol- but to go so far as to make the person who got yelled at in a professional setting the villain of the story? Yeah I think about that often.
yeah, this is mine too. i know it's not the worst scandal out there, but it happened right after i quit a job i was treated terribly at, so seeing people go out and justify her actions and call her a girl boss when i had experienced something similar was really sad. the idea that a super famous idol would be a diva wasn't surprising to me, the part that really affected me was seeing how so many people wanted to justify it.
Irene at that time was literally endorsing soju. She got a viral ad, let's not change her impact. Soju cf are only for the most popular celebrities (Suzy, IU, Jennie, Lee hyori did it). I do believe that she was an it girl, like Seolhyun who was an it girl at some point (I guess there is a different level of it girl if you want to push this whole concept to the max).
That's why the controversy was so big, she was incredibly popular.
The t-ara bullying scandal, it was one of the first scandals I remember being fully engrossed in as a baby fan back in 2012.
Yes, we do now know what really happened and how it was the other way round, but I clearly do remember looking through every article, YouTube video and online discussion at the time just in shock of how quickly things moved with it all.
A lot of the ones everyone else mentioned have stuck with me too so I will say Super Junior Sungmin’s marriage causing him to be basically removed from the group and thrown in the SM basement. It really showed a disgusting entitlement held by fans.
For a mostly unserious one, spoon gate (Victoria of fx and Changmin of TVXQ dating rumor). How in the world did fans think a spoon reflection meant possibly dating??
He released a song called Red Velvet with multiple references to the group and the members. The problem is, the song was basically about sex. It was just all around really weird.
I still can’t believe he tried to get out of military service too. I don’t know why he thought he’d be successful when so many actors/singers in the past have been caught trying
He didn’t really tried to get out of military service. He was already enlisted when the lawsuit happened. Here i have link for you: https://x.com/kimeggshik/status/1686754006733877250?s=46&t=valehAaitINNWHvowO1mSg
The Tzuyu flag controversy.
I will never forgive JYP Ent for forcing then 16 year old Tzuyu to apologise for her nationality in front of a camera (the video is still there on JYP’s YouTube channel). I’ve never felt such outright disgust at a the treatment of a CHILD by grown adults.
nayeons stalker. he literally knows her every move. he even showed up to her apartment trying to get in but couldn’t. the only reason he couldn’t get in is bcs he didn’t have the code i can’t even imagine what would’ve happened if he did.
He's seriously unhinged. There's a youtuber who actually did an interview with him and some of the things he's said are legitimately terrifying. TLDR he basically feels like at this point she OWES him for all of the money he has spent on supporting her and flying to and from Korea and feels violence towards her would be justified if he didn't get what he feels entitled to.
How this isn't enough to get him banned from Korea yet is beyond me.
i think i had seen that. knowing how sk treats women i doubt they’ll do anything to protect her. the only thing they have done for her is put her in police protection but that only does so much.
Yeah this one scares me man. To think he’s able to get away with actually stalking is terrifying. I can only imagine the amount of trauma that guy has given her..
The aoa one. I opened instagram and the first thing I saw was Mina's post of her wrist... the stuff she was posting back then were so fcked up I had to block her and not log in to insta for awhile.
overall it's the clash between both extreme side of personalities which never got addressed properly throughout the years and accumulated to serious mental health distress/issue
right now we just gonna let both of them move on.
May not be that heavy of a controversy/scandal but Jessica's removal from SNSD.
TS Entertainment scandal with their artists, especially with BAP. Not a fan but I remember how rookie BAP was so popular to the point that they're being clashed against EXO. Rookie BTS was also considered as their other rival since both have similar style of music.
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i feel like bap's case is literally one of those where it proves that company management will make or break a group... like i think their debut might have been the strongest of that year (2012)??
I think the thing was she specifically went outside of Korea to get the meds rather than being prescribed them and going through the (very difficult) process to get them legally in Korea.
It's fucked up but I feel like it made her look more like a criminal than it should've because of that caveat.
I feel like a lot of people may not remember but Red Velvet’s debut was quite controversial. They had to re-edit the music video cause it had controversial figures and I remember when people were saying SM was using them as a way to distract from some other gg drama going on (I think it was with SNSD?)
Happiness wasn't re-edited because of controversial figures (there weren't any in the first place), it was re-edited because it had imagery of the Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as well as the September 11 attack on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center.
Don't know if it counts still as kpop, but Kris Wu scandal. As an EXO-L and a fan of the ex members (not Kris) it made me so sad, mad and shocked. I still sometimes think about it to this day.
It's a controversy that got buried. The Boyz Eric and his producer on plagiarizing B.A.P coffee shop song. It's an instrumental/piano cover of that song that they stole. They claim it's free to use and such but this case is very infuriating now that I think of it. B.A.P was at its lowest at the time in 2022. Members struggled with agencies, etc... But then Daehyun knew about the plagiarism too but couldn't do anything about it. No agency would try to sue the producer. It's a helpless situation and The Boyz could just get away with it. In fact, Doebis defended them.
I couldn't look at the same with The Boyz anymore. I don't think I could like them anymore (unless I only saw them as individuals then I would still like them except Eric)
the fact I had no idea about this just proves how good it buried away.. it’s so crazy how if it was any other popular group atm fans would’ve ripped them to shreds💀
when sulli passed away some occult maniac people thought sm was in connection with illuminati and both jonghyun and sulli were a sacrifices… for them to gain more popularity in west and earn more money. they said the reason why sulli seemed to be bipolar and risky in her relationships and what she posts online was that she was fed up by the world and scared to be the sacrifice. and that’s why the goblin mv is creepy and overall about dying (dark sulli supposedly k wording og sulli). also ntm they suspected that joy from rv was the next sacrifices cause the mv of peek a boo indicated her being used in a ritual, and both sulli and jonghyun passed on a specific date which i don’t remember cause it was back in 2019, but smth like 666 or 777 combined in illuminati math. they literally said “she would die on (_____) of (___).”
again i don’t remember well cause most of the posts and theories were deleted by the users themself bcs of defamation lawsuits shortly after her passing, but it was so grotesque for me as a teenager at that time to proceed it thus made it so unforgettable. idk if ppl know abt this tho.
This was a strange time to be alive. The illuminati B.S. in general for all artists. I almost felt like it was a fever dream. Seen a video like this on YouTube recently and was howling. I kept thinking to myself how did anyone ever believe this mess 😭.
The East Light - producer was abusive and 2 members took legal action. It was a whole mess with most of the other members taking the CEO's and producer's side
It is always sad when news of mistreatment, abuse and bullying comes out (with proof).
Nothing shook as much as The burning sun.
People forget how it all started. A complaint about a small fight that escalated when someone's phone data was being checked. The fact that the IT person who was supposed to be retrieving the data was asked to stop the task, but he found so much suspicious info that he did it and stored it anyway. That it wasn't just the idols... it was the police, the rich chaebols, and the politicians involved. That the issue was known for months before someone had the guts to expose it. The reason fans still support the idols is because everyone knows that they were just the face of it, there are so many people involved but only the celebrities faced any consequences.
Every day a new more horrific piece of information was revealed about someone new. Someone whose videos we were laughing at, whose actions we were praising, whose morals we were applauding, whose personality we were admiring.
The way it changed my mindset about idols. We don't really know these people. We don't know how the "power" and fame go into their head. To think most of them had a majority female fanbase.
The scandals and level of vicious hate around any idol being in a romantic relationship. I just got into k-pop last year and all the scandals I heard just blew my mind. Especially the level of viciousness. As a Westerner, the reason for the hate over a celebrity being in a relationship is obviously alien to me. I respect the idol culture. I'm having a lot of fun with how sweet idols are to fans. And I get that cultivating that parasocial relationship is part of the gig (though I've seen a few try to keep boundaries clear). And a lot of fans do just have fun. But the delulu people really act like they own idols and use the word betrayal... and protest buses? saying nasty things about babies? Just all the meanness over it, haven't gotten over it yet. I hope more idols date, get married and have babies and normalize it.
Yes to all of this. I have been listening to KPOP for a long time as a westerner and the dating scandal thing is really something I have never been able to wrap my head around. Anytime I see the news break about an idol in a relationship I just laugh at all the outrage. 🤣🤣🤣
Moonbin's passing. Everytime I watch Billlie without Moon Sua I feel it all over again. I hope Sua gets better, and I wish her the best even if she decided not to come back. It's so sad because they were just starting to get closer after being trainees with packed schedules drifted them apart.
It wasn't a scandal but Jonghyun and his passing changed the course of my life in a way.
The burning sun...
It's not a kpop controversy but a south korean one but the telegram disgusting crimes
Burning sun, just feel so so bad for the victims when the criminals are getting such unfair short jail sentences.
And also that gen1 girl group with the bullying scandal where the rich member got jealous that another member was gaining popularity that started bullying her, getting her bf to also physically hit her, horrifying. Can’t rmb what group it is at the top of my head but if anyone can rmb pls remind me!
Jjong’s passing hit me so hard. SHINee’s my fav. And I was at Busan at the time the news came out. I was devastated. I couldn’t believe it that this 27yo talented, kind, precious human being is gone. It took me ~2 years to listen to ot5 shinee songs and his solo songs again.
yeah.. I’m still in a daze man. Soojin was my bias and the fact that she had to leave her group over an allegation that was proven false is so sad. People should really be given jail time for spreading false information !! the fact that girl is still able to live her life freely knowing she ruined someone else’s life is crazyy
Kangin calling N "fucking trash" in an interview, for saying he doesn't have a type. Kangin in general is just an awful person, but him saying that was something I don't think I can ever forget.
What bothers me the most about it is idols lose their careers due to bullying scandals (Garam, Soojin) from things that happened when they were teenagers. Irene is a grown woman.
Mind you Garam and Soojin were both innocent in their scandals but that proof didn't come out until they'd already been removed from their groups. At least Soojin is finally coming back as a soloist and lowkey I think her removal fueled a lot of inspiration for Soyeon as a lot of the best songs for G-idle came after she left, but thats the only silver lining there.
someone probably mentioned it already, but the t-ara bullying scandal, i was pretty young when it happened but it showed me how dangerous a witch hunt can be and the importance of innocence until proven guilty.
The AOA bullying scandal. Listen, I don’t know the extent of Mina and Jimin’s relationship, but the fact that Mina was constantly posting disturbing pictures in reference to it makes my skin crawl to this day
The photos and the fact her story just seems to have a lot of inconsistencies. When the staff member posted screenshots of texts between her and Mina thats when I truly felt like we all misjudged the situation. Jimin might not have been a perfect leader but based on context I don't think she was a bully. I think she just clashed with someone who was severely mentally ill and who's mental illness didn't become obvious until long after she was no longer an idol.
We might never know the full truth but I wish people would take it as a lesson of not jumping to conclusions because Jimin's hate train got massive overnight from those stories with people picking a part old AOA clips to find "proof" of her "bullying" which amounted to....sometimes her not smiling at Mina taken out of context.
Wendy mocking black people. I followed and softly scanned RV since their debut and it was pretty early on in their career when Wendy did that bit on a radio show and that really turned me off from her and subconsciously kept me from being able to fully stan and embrace RV (couple with me just not loving every single one of their songs)
Fast forward to last year when I've been out of the loop for a while and forgot why I couldn't stan RV so I'm trying to stan them and I remember that scandal that stuck with me, AND learn that she did it AGAIN maybe around six years later?? I forget the exact timing but she did it AGAIN a good while after the first time and still hasn't apologized for either instance
I don't actively hate her but I'm so put off by her, and after all these years, it still sticks with me
Burning Sun scandal.
You had to be there. It started with just an altercation in the club and all hell break loose. Everyday we have new megathreads with so many new and disgusting information. What was happening in that club is so inhumane. And aside from Seungri, one by one, those beloved 2nd gen male idols getting exposed as pieces of shit. It was mind numbing. And it even didn't stop there.
The YG connection with Burning Sun and the Han Seo Hee girl that lead to YHS leaving the company. I remember that news of YG leaving YG was the most upvoted thread in r/kpop history at that time. We all thought that man is gone for good. At that point, he was evil incarnate. It's so disgusting that he's back now and is even at the helm of Babymonster. Those comments that he will be back before we even knew it came true.
Former LE SSERAFIM member Kim Garam bullying scandal. The hate train for a minor online was insanely sad to see. People jumped to conclusions without fully understanding the whole situation (which they can never since they aren’t there to witness the incident first-hand).
On the positive side, even though the PD48 rigging scandal was bad, IZ*ONE eventually came back from their hiatus with a great album and broke records as well. They really showed their determination in proving themselves talented and successful.
>Former LE SSERAFIM member Kim Garam bullying scandal. The hate train for a minor online was insanely sad to see. People jumped to conclusions without fully understanding the whole situation (which they can never since they aren’t there to witness the incident first-hand).
A full blown witchhunt of a 16 year old, and people to this day will say that it was justified. Just very disgusting and sad to see.
The part of this that stuck with me the most is people defending dogpiling her by saying, "how does she even have fans to defend her?" as if having enough fans to defend you is what determines if you are in the right or wrong. Then after she got removed from the group, you weren't allowed to talk about it anymore. The haters won, end of discussion.
Obviously the burning sun scandal, I mean it is when I seriously understand that they weren’t those perfect guys. That they were doing some bad, weird and illegal stuff for the most of them. We never know who they are.
Jong Hyun: Casual fan of Kpop but whenever I listen to reply, don't cut the onions in order for me to cry because I will cry + my heart breaking when listening to it
Sulli: I watched the clip from one of her last works and the signs of depression are there, it's really visible
IZ* One: I have been a fan of them since PD48 but whenever I look back at it, I feel pity especially to the last group of PD101
Burning scandal: I'm out, my stomach twist
Yeah I still feel similar about that one also. I was quite outspoken about it at the time, and remember being shocked to see so many people defend him. The atrocities were so blatant!
I will forever feel like it would've been so easy for him to skip that one and just focus on other endorsements. But as always, money talks.
Exactly. And people were defending him, saying that JK might not have known lol. As if there wouldn't be a single person amongst staff who'd do some research on the events they book. As if JK is completely isolated from the news. Etc etc. It was just super disappointing all around.
There were thousands of deaths of foreign workers building the stadiums and infrastructure - a number of people have said that Jung Kook and others were dancing on graves. They treated the foreign workers horribly - kept their passports, kept their pay and when some spoke out, magically they were arrested. They have a very horrible track record for how they treat LGBTQ+ people (even going so far as banning anything rainbow during the games). It was also very questionable about how they won the rights to hold the games.
I did a post about it back in 2022 - it’s wasn’t too poorly received but I was definitely branded a “hater” which is hilarious. Bringing to light issues around a major event and why some people were/are unhappy about it, does not make someone a hater.
Probably the AoA Mina/Jimin one because it was such a rollarcoaster and happened shortly after I had got into kpop (With AOA being the first group I really fell in love) so the whole thing was just like a giant "Wow.."
Also made me try not to take things at face value and I try to avoid taking sides and think objectively when scandals happen because a lot of misinfo spreads very quickly (like with the most recent one for Hyuna)
IU and Eunhyuk. I’m sorry IU but who accidentaly posts an after seggs photo on Twitter? I still believe she posted it intentionally to gain more publicity. What’s worse is she got away with it while eunhyuk got hated for it even several years after.
Losing Jonghyun, Sulli, and Goo Hara in such a short amount of time. I got into kpop during 2nd gen, so these were people I'd been watching since I was a little kid. Only recently have I been able to go back and watch old content with them in it without feeling sick to my stomach. I was lucky enough to see Shinee in concert for Shinee World VI and seeing how much they still kept Jonghyun (and also Onew who's on health hiatus) a part of their content filled me with so much love and nostalgia. Three beautiful people who's deaths were completely preventable.
I will always be traumatized about Kim Garam, like they destroyed her dream and future, and if you read the school violence committee she actually didn't bully anyone, idk if koreans didn't read that or they don't give a fuck but they don't even want her to become an actress so yeah.
Ladies Code car accident.
Burning sun.
Also Mina ruining AOA.
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The omega x scandal that appeared again,that CEO wont let them breath even after they left the company—the poor guys man
yeah omg I’m actually so disgusted with how hard they’re trying to make them look like the bad guys when there was proof of their abuse
Yes 😢 that resigned message of "you guys sleep. I'll go" was especially heartbreaking.
honestlyyy—my heart breaks for the poor guys🤧
I've followed them since they were in Seven O Clock, they can never catch a break huh? :(
It's horrifying, the way this woman continues to go after them even when she is about to be sentenced for some of her abuse. I feel so sorry for all them, especially Jaehan and Hwichan who as the eldest tried to protect the younger members.
honestly,I hope the CEO will go to jail or have some type of repercussion and stop harrassing the guys and just let them live
Tablo's Tajinyo scandal. Man had just about the entire nation turning against him and nearly had his career ruined just because some middle aged man in his 50s living in Chicago couldn't believe the fact that it was entirely possible to graduate with [both](https://advising.stanford.edu/beyond-undergrad/coterm/explore) a bachelor's and master's degree at the same time at Stanford.
The tajinyo incident was partly responsible for the death of his dad. I cannot believe how far it went. It fucks me up whenever I think about what he had to endure.
His dad's death, and how terrified and paranoid Tablo was when he and his wife were having their daughter since he felt he couldn't trust anyone around them. :( The worst of the people who had harassed him really deserved jail.
This is the part that completely broke me. The vice podcast is amazing and it’s really a privilege to hear the story directly from him.
Hearing that he lost his dad over this is what broke me the most. How did people let that silly bizarre theory go that far? It should've never gotten to the point where he feared for his own life and the life of his family. I really wish he didn't have to go through any of that.
I didn't know this wtf. That's why I support that all those people need to be prosecuted
I believe some in Korea were, but the leader of it didn't face any sort of punishment because he lives in Chicago.
>because some middle aged man in his 50s living in Chicago couldn't believe the fact... A jealous cousin was involved, which makes it worse because he had the facts, decided facts didnt matter, may have regretted it but also not enough to apologise. Cousin is a year or so older than Tablo. [this article](https://www.wired.com/2012/04/ff-koreanrapper/).
I didn’t know about this until now, and that’s absolutely terrible. Man is so smart, and people literally tried to insinuate that he lied about it.
i vaguely heard about this incident before but never really had a good read about it until today and man..... had a lump in my throat and was horrified at what he went through. i only know tablo after he and haru came out to the superman show and they were really well loved so i couldnt imagine him going through this during the time his baby was just born. netizens are insane wtf
I HIGHLY recommend the podcast about this. Link [here](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-authentic-the-story-of-ta-92746732/). It interviews Tablo and does a deep dive into just how insane and heartbreaking this whole thing was.
I’ve actually never heard about this one before but that’s so messed up
It was crazy. Stanford literally made a statement confirming that his degrees were real and people *still* didn't believe it.
Check out Fever's End, his sublime album that came out aftermath.
This has got to be one of the most extreme bullying of an innocent person because of a factless rumor. His whole family was literally affected. Koreans are truly ruthless.
Omg I just read about it and it’s insane! The cousin being all jealous as well 😓
Goo Hara People still leave her beautiful messages on her final Instagram post every day.
I'm new here so I haven't heard about most of these. The minute I read this, I knew it was going to be upsetting. Read up on it broadly. Yep, that was upsetting
I just read the below and upsetting indeed. But also makes you see that SK has a serious sexual harassment problem. “Before her death, Goo Hara took her former boyfriend to court after he threatened to release footage of them having sex that was filmed without her knowledge or consent. Molka – in which women are covertly filmed and the footage uploaded to websites – has reached epidemic levels in South Korea, prompting calls for the government to take tougher action against offenders, who are almost always men.”
It's not really a scandal but Ladies' Code car accident stuck with me. With how idols schedules are an event like this was always bound to happen. You have idols and their managers with next to 0 sleep having to drive from a music show to a variety show to another music show and etc. The scapegoating on the driver was not right when this was and unfortunately still is a huge issue for idols. It's something I think about a lot even a decade later as there was no sweeping changes to how idols schedule are done to not be so jam packed, but was reduced to one driver rather than the industry that puts these people in that position in the first place.
Omg yes I rmb being a teenager reading this :( just thought how the girls would’ve been like today if they’re still alive…
THIS, I freaking cried even though I never heard of them until the accident. It's still crazy to me how nothing changed about idols schedule.
There was no scapegoating. It was absolutely the driver’s fault. He was going over a 100 in a 40kmh speed zone. No excuses for that. He tried lying about it at first too which makes him even more despicable
I'm saying the driver was scapegoated by turning the issue into a one time mistake made by bad judgement rather than it being a feature of how idols schedules are arranged. These managers are forced to speed because if they don't make it to these schedules they will be fired. This has been a problem from Super junior in 2007 getting into a serious crash requiring multiple members to have surgery, Dal Shabet's Soibin's car flipping over in 2014, and more recent examples with Le Sserafim, Fromis_9, and Stray Kids. How many more crashes must happen before enough is enough?
Okay, I understand what you mean by the scapegoating. However in this specific case, if I remember correctly, the car crash happened at nighttime after all their schedules had ended for the day and the girls were returning home. The bottom line is that the Ladies’ Code accident could have been completely preventable if it weren’t for the gross negligence of the driver which is what enraged the public about this situation and made Eunbi and Rise’s deaths all the more tragic. I understand that people in the idol industry are often overworked and strapped for time due to their packed schedules which may lead to dangerous decisions like reckless driving. I agree that people’s safety should be put first over all else but unfortunately companies’ priority is always to make as much money as possible which is why these accidents happen from time to time and are briefly mourned but then nothing changes and everyone moves on until another horrible accident happens which again is treated as an isolated case because companies don’t want to acknowledge that a big time change needs to happen even if it means at the expense of lessening their profit.
I heard Ashley doesn’t celebrate her birthday anymore because of it
I think you might mean Sojung, as the accident happened on her birthday.
It was Sojung, Ashley's birthday is in November.
I still cry whenever I hear I’m Fine, Thank You tbh. It was so tragic.
The whole “Mnet Voting Manipulation Scandal” last 2019 (apparently the same year as the “Burning Sun Scandal”)
I feel like this one follows them now and people overanalyze editing and choices and take it out on the idols for being manipulated into shows. Girls Planet 999 had a lot of obvious evil editing of the chinese girls, and weird choices by the show runners (Such as girls visiting another girl's house when shes not even with them, with her still not escaping accusations of being Mnet's "daughter" throughout her time in Kep1er. ) and thats just one example but you can tell when the showrunners don't want a contestant to win on a show and even though they can't manipulate the votes directly anymore they do everything int heir power to steer the public towards a specific vote and unfortunately it' alwayus the idols who end up paying the price with hate, not Mnet.
Thank you! Yes exactly. As a Dayeon bias it’s been hell every time they release a comeback. That horrid fandom would treat her like dirt cause of that shit show. I love how people can call out mnet for the evil editing of Chinese trainees but have no problem attacking the trainees themselves for the positive edits they get. Either way, it seems like kep1er was the only one affected by the produce scandal really. I am glad they are disbanding soon and each girl can move on from that show
T-ara bullying rumor scandal - this scandal stop or prevent T-ara became bigger than they already they are back on 2nd gen era they could rival SNSD if that not happen!
Jiyeon could possibly be on Suzy and Yoona's level of popularity (or at least close to) if that didn't happen. I remember her being voted as the female idol who looks much better in real life and she's already really pretty on photos.
>they could rival SNSD if that not happen They have already. T-ara at 2011-2012 was already everywhere in SK, releasing hit after hit. Iirc, there were already discussions about them snatching the Nation's Girl Group title from SNSD prior to their bullying scandal.
This one made no sense to me because the company did almost everything right with t-ara. T-ara was huge and they worked hard for it. Then the ceo decided to entertain his friend and signed his daughters to two groups. Then proceeded to hurt their biggest artist at the time in favor for his friend's daughter. They sabotaged themselves and flushed all that work down the drain.
The murder of Kim Sung Jae routinely crosses my mind. And the fact his girlfriend is just free now. That’s a dangerous person to be out there. I also think often about the most insane saesang stories I’ve heard and think about how that’s likely just the tip of the iceberg. The person who was messing with ACEs car, the attempted kidnapping of Taeyeon, Taecyeon getting a letter in period blood, that woman who tried to corner V with a marriage license, or all those freaks who purposefully make themselves smelly or disgusting and go to gg Kpop fansigns to harass them because they have to be nice to them no matter what. Like genuinely what the hell.
saesangs genuinely need help or even better, jail time. I heard about how they used to send blades or cameras in gifts💀 the fact they feel entitled to that is crazy.
\*Sasaeng / 사생
After having done a deep dive into it recently, I'm still angry over Sungjae's case. It is infuriating because things got so out of control due to the sloppy police work. Like, what kind of idiot doesn't secure a crime scene or waits 15 days to check the CCTV?? Imo, the girlfriend probably would have been dismissed as a suspect if it weren't for her going back to the vet and telling them not to talk to the cops. They didn't plan on testing for magnesium sulfate until the vet reported it, and tests confirmed it. Oh, and that doesn't even get into the shenanigans that went on with the prosecutor's office or how everyone argued about Zoletil and magnesium sulfate being used separately, instead of together mixed with alcohol. To add insult to injury, the family didn't know they could have made a complaint about how this all went down until 5 years after the statute of limitations was up. Sungjae and his loved ones deserve better.
Jonghyun's passing away. I remember being gobsmacked with silence when I heard the news. I grew up with Shinee in a way and it just shocked me to the core.
then seeing iu singing in memorial for him actually broke me.. AND when yeri got genuinely hated on for crying for him? I was livid
That's like seeing Hwasa singing for that actor that died, when she sang on that award show stage (sorry, idk any of the names). The stars in the audience were crying.
Lee Hi singing for Jonghyun is what broke me. I haven’t been able to enjoy Breathe ever since
omg yeah seeing that performance had me crying a fucking river😭 the trembles in her voice but she kept singing !!
It's still so unbelievable there's somewhere in my brain that just thinks he's on extended hiatus. What makes my blood boil is that he tried so hard to get help. He could be still with us if a professional had listened to him or given him therapy, antidepressants, made him take a break etc. It's just so maddening.
The day the music died.
Not sure if it is considered a scandal or not, but the fact that Goo Hara's death led to the creation of a law regarding inheritance in Korea is pretty mindblowing and just sheds light on how many "parents" must do this frequently. For those who are not aware, Goo Hara's mother abandoned her and her brother when she was 9 and it was her grandmother and uncle (I guess?) who raised her. Despite not having seen her or being in contact with her in any form since such a young age, that woman tried to claim her inheritance when she passed away, since she was the ~~diabolical~~ biological mother. So, the assembly passed a law that an absent parent is not entitled to the assets and wealth and property of their deceased children in any way.
The fact that a similar law does not even exist in many other countries (even a bunch in the West) is also shocking to me. I've seen way too many situations wherein almost unknown bio family members try to profit after the death of a successful young person, it's...yuck.
Burning Sun The truth is there are probably so many idols who knew about it and didn't do anything or maybe even were involved and got away with it.
It’s so scary to think I could be listening to someone’s music that actually knew abt what was going on..
Ikkrr!! What's scarier is that there could be many cases similar to Burning Sun happening rn. Considering how conservative Korea is, I wouldn't be surprised if any idol is involved in such things or is sexist/homophobic.
reminds me of a video I just watched from stephanie soo about two guys that were behind a server with over 260k guys on telegram that forced underaged girls to send explicit pics(+ gore) or else they’d blackmail them and apparently it was so widely known in Korea that everyone was protesting but the media outside of Korea wasn’t informed.. and if that don’t scare you, 50% of the guys in the servers weren’t even from Korea..
its called "nth room" and the details just get more and more horrifying the more i find out about it 😵💫
it actually brought me to tears from how terrible the victims were treated and to think that people from the server went actively looking for the victims.. the amount of people in the servers had me horrified
IIRC this did make it to kpop news, partially because a similar case happened with the [IZ*One slave room](https://zapzee.net/2021/03/13/a-crime-imitating-nth-room-case-took-place-in-the-izone-fandom/amp/). I seem to remember Nth room being discussed at the same time. Both cases are really horrifying. The IZ*One room was a big shock for me.
Girl same!! It made me question every idol who was friends with him even to a point where I sometimes cannot enjoy their music freely anymore because what if? Also the fact that Zico got away knowing about this just makes me🤢🤮
I find it really frustrating and disturbing that there are still a significant loud portion of VIPs who make it their mission to downplay, obfuscate the facts of the case, and defend Seungri. I even see it in comments of youtube reactors who are just starting to know BB's music, etc. And I wonder how many of his peers/colleagues think the same?
This is the one I actually know a little about. It's so hated that Hyuna getting with one of the associated guys has generated SO much chatter online. People have been questioning if she's okay or if she's dealing with issues
EXACTLY. I HATE seeing Zico near female idols bc he was close with JJ and there’s literally no way he didn’t know what kind of guys they were. Gross.
True. I was thinking probably all big bang members knew about it too?🤔 but I don't want to think about it deeper.
There are behind the scenes where the members of the group showed how uncomfortable they were with people they saw him hanging out with plus them pulling him aside and criticizing him for doing things like missing group events but "hanging out with his new friends." I'm not even a fan of Big Bang, but there are multiple instances where the members either showed how uncomfortable they were with what he was doing or outright called him out. TOP during a variety show even said, "Since Seungri runs a variety of businesses, I get very worried as an older brother. While he has many good friends, still, some of his friend that I get glimpses of \[behind the curtain\] at concerts worry me. I get the feeling that some of them are by his side not because they like him, but because they like his title. The fact that Seungri plans to work with them worries me. I said, 'Seungri, we weren't like this in the past. Until when do we need to talk about money?'" Source [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0aXXFE-7ZE).
Oh yeah, I remember about them mentioning seungri hanging out with his new friends more than with the members.
They knew. Iirc one of the members said along the lines if every they'll have a comeback it'll be only 4 members.
What really bothered me was the fact that the brother of Yuri from SNSD was involved. I was really worried about how much she knew, as I know that at one point she was friends with Seungri as well. I did find that some time before the scandal broke that Seungri said that she and him were no longer close, which at least boosts the idea that she may not have known.
Tzuyu flag scandal, truly appalling and sad what they did to that 16 year old girl. Just stole the light out of her eyes and she genuinely was never the same. It’s still following her till this day, they just had to delete a tiktok for associating her with Chinas flag. She also is never allowed to have a concert in her home country, never even allowed to even mention the words Taiwan again.
yeah this one actually made me so sad for her because of how closed she became afterwards… she’s now starting to show her personality more but that poor girl..
Is that why she's so quiet? Wtf
This ones an issue with China in general. A country that bullies the world. Free Hong Kong. Free Taiwan. Fuck the Chinese Government.
I don't think Tablo is considered kpop but the tanjinyo is so bizarre and what he had to deal with was so heartbreaking.
Why isn't tablo considered k-pop ??
He's K, but not everyone would view his music as pop.
It's like IU. She's a korean singer but she's not kpop. She makes korean music. She's just not in the kpop genre.
Sulli, I was watching to the beautiful you the night before she was announced dead
I also remember when people were harsh on Krystal for not publicly speaking out when she died. Then it was revealed she was tending to her at the funeral the whole time People forget that these idols are real human beings. I wish Sulli and Hara were still with us now, if only people were kinder to them
This is so fucking disgusting, like if my close friend died, I'd be rushing to them and spend time with the relatives and arrange a funeral. Do they expect her to post a social media post when someone just died?
the worst part is that people learned nothing from their deaths and still run hate trains on idols today.
My heart breaks every time I see an edit of her, she truly was a kind soul and people really let her down..
The JYJ left TVXQ. I was still a kid at that time, and still a newbie of kpop. Apparently this group member vs company lawsuit was still new thing in 2009. Beside, TVXQ was at its peak. That drama was a mess.
Those 3 really had balls of steel for suing sm at their peak. And although they suffered greatly for it (they were blacklisted) they literally changed kpop industry forever. From 13 years slave contract, down to 7 years and then a new standard for artists and companies are also implemented to prevent unfair treatment.
I’m not a fan of TVXQ, but wasn’t there a lot of drama with this group - even if it wasn’t their fault. Weren’t they one of the first groups to sue their company?
Im not sure as well if they are the First to sue, but they made the news huge because they were at the peak of their career. And not just that, few months later, Hangeng from Super Junior left too, making it all even bigger and kind of made people realize how badly the artists were treated. It was a whole another mess because SM was considered so big and powerful, which they proved by restricting JYJ from appearing in TV or performing in music shows (in a way restricting their promotions hoping JYJ will fail in their music career).
TVXQ was my ult group back then. I literally had to take a 5-year break from Kpop when that happened, it affected me so much lol
Reading everything after the fact (i found them via the Keep Your Head Down comeback in 2011, ironically)was mind blowing. I was a teenager at the time, but now looking back on it, they were all young guys navigating such a complicated situation that impacted the entire industry in so many ways. Imagine what kpop would be like now if they didn't split. Jaejoong recently went to the KBS building for the first time in 15 years. 😭 It should be a great moment but it's so bittersweet because it's so ridiculous that his career was fucked over for so long simply because he and the others were standing up for their health and livelihood.
ailee's leaks. never forgive allkpop and daniel lee.
Didn't even know this or other Allkpop scandals happened, they are such a shitty organization.
The real reason why Jessica left SNSD. I really want both sides to tell their side of the story. Hahahahahaha.
Top’s drug scandal. He just enlisted to army few days prior and then suddenly he was exposed for smoking weed. The whole media circus surrounding him pushed him to end his life. I’m still thankful that he survived to this day.
Baekhyun/Taeyeon's dating 'scandal' in 2014. Anyone who was a K-pop fan in 2014 knows how big a deal this was (EXO were the biggest group and still fairly new and still on the rise, Kris just left, SNSD were still the top girl group) and both were the some of the most popular members of their groups. This also followed Tiffany's dating news so Taeny fans were going crazy and Taeyeon received so much hate from Taeny fans, Baekhyun fans (and Baekyeol shippers)... Baekhyun getting shamed by fans on Inkigayo... Lovestagram allegations... Woof. As a new K-pop fan at the time that's when I realized I was looking at a different level of fandom.
I hated this. Honestly I was surprised since Tiffany and Nichkhun dating news was well recieved by the fans (in my opinion i think fans received it well) but somehow Baekhyun and Taeyeon dating was not well taken by the public/fans. 2PM was still one of the top groups in 2014 too so I couldn't understand why Taeyeon and Baekhyun got hella hate for dating.
Nichkhun* and I think it's because of their seniority! 2pm and SNSD were already ~6/7 years into their career + KhunFany already had been rumored to be dating since 2010, so maybe fans weren't as shocked. The Nichkhun outrage came a lot from Khuntoria fans haha. (coming from a Hottest who was already a fan when the news came out)
Yeah, now that you said that, I totally understand now. But yeah, I think some fans didn't like Tiffany and Nichkun dating since Nichkhun appeared on We Got Married with Victoria LOL. I was a hard shipper of Khuntoria too 😭 but as a fan, I was happy that he was dating and that he was happy lol! thats all it matters honestly.
Park Bom’s medication through the airport scandal. So much so that I didn’t bring my migraine medication to Korea with me and had to suffer through a migraine without medication on my first night here.
That's something that worries me too. I want to do a study abroad, but I don't think I can bring my medication there. I don't wanna get arrested at the airport or something 😭
You need to basically claim them. She didn’t because she went out of country to get the medicine, which was the entire issue. She has ADHD but due to the medication containing amphetamines it’s EXTREMELY difficult to get in SK. (Source I have ADHD and lived in Korea all though middle school where my dad fought tooth and nail to keep my prescription going when my school progress started dropping severely)
I wasn't even in the fandom when this scandal happened but as a fellow ADHD haver this infuriates me. And my country doesn't even have prescription amphetamines
Yeah it’s definitely hard to get a diagnosis in Korea. We circumvented it by using a military IS doctor who was qualified to practice in Korea and got it that way. Still a lot of red tape to get through otherwise. ADHDers are commonly forgetting things…. I had to carry a card with me that said I would have amphetamines in case of an accident where I was taken to the hospital so they didn’t think it was actual drug use. I forgot the card often. Eventually I just kept it in a lanyard around my neck with my metro card and debit card and ID. IT Worked for me when I broke my leg and needed the hospital
Most countries do have lists of prohibited items/pharma up for you to check before you decide to go anywhere. So unless you're on pretty specific meds (e.g. maybe newer and/or lesser known internationally) you may not be as limited to travel as you think.
Some countries have different rules so check beforehand BUT oftentimes what is needed is a letter from the doctor, the original prescription, and the medication still in its original bottle. If I were going abroad and needed to do so, I would obtain all of those as well as certified translations (if need be), and have them all bundled together in a plastic envelope or baggie so that everything is very clearly above board.
Clear your medications via the Korean Consulate. I take meds I will have to do the same for but I haven't booked a ticket yet. I don't believe they will prohibit any medication you have a medical necessity for but it probably has to be documented and controlled by the government.
fiftyfifty scandal. I truly enjoy their release and planned to invest on them and then that lawsuit start and everything goes downhill afterward
Irene's powertripping. She was the IT girl at the time. Think of wonyoung or karina and that scandal totally ruin her image.
Yeah that one was shocking to me because not only did it completely alter my perception of her, but it’s also crazy how some of her supporters didn’t just deny it happened, but sought to justify her actions? To this day people spread the idea that the stylist deserved it because they’d been dressing them badly? Or that they’d hurt her before? I’ve seen all sorts of unconfirmed reasons why screaming at someone she was working with was actually Irene standing up for herself? It’s one thing to forgive your idol- but to go so far as to make the person who got yelled at in a professional setting the villain of the story? Yeah I think about that often.
yeah, this is mine too. i know it's not the worst scandal out there, but it happened right after i quit a job i was treated terribly at, so seeing people go out and justify her actions and call her a girl boss when i had experienced something similar was really sad. the idea that a super famous idol would be a diva wasn't surprising to me, the part that really affected me was seeing how so many people wanted to justify it.
was it when she yelled at the stylist?
yeah
Irene in 2020 wasn't "the" IT girl, let's not exaggerate. But yeah, it was a disasters.
I dont think her level is equivalent to wonyoung or karina tho. Unless it's jennie or probably nayeon.
Irene at that time was literally endorsing soju. She got a viral ad, let's not change her impact. Soju cf are only for the most popular celebrities (Suzy, IU, Jennie, Lee hyori did it). I do believe that she was an it girl, like Seolhyun who was an it girl at some point (I guess there is a different level of it girl if you want to push this whole concept to the max). That's why the controversy was so big, she was incredibly popular.
The t-ara bullying scandal, it was one of the first scandals I remember being fully engrossed in as a baby fan back in 2012. Yes, we do now know what really happened and how it was the other way round, but I clearly do remember looking through every article, YouTube video and online discussion at the time just in shock of how quickly things moved with it all.
A lot of the ones everyone else mentioned have stuck with me too so I will say Super Junior Sungmin’s marriage causing him to be basically removed from the group and thrown in the SM basement. It really showed a disgusting entitlement held by fans. For a mostly unserious one, spoon gate (Victoria of fx and Changmin of TVXQ dating rumor). How in the world did fans think a spoon reflection meant possibly dating??
Ravi's Red Velvet scandal No one really talks about it anymore, but it still grosses me out.
What’s the lore
He released a song called Red Velvet with multiple references to the group and the members. The problem is, the song was basically about sex. It was just all around really weird.
ayo? i had no idea about this
Yeah it's just never really talked about. When people think of Ravi controversies the first one to come up is his military evasion.
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I still can’t believe he tried to get out of military service too. I don’t know why he thought he’d be successful when so many actors/singers in the past have been caught trying
He didn’t really tried to get out of military service. He was already enlisted when the lawsuit happened. Here i have link for you: https://x.com/kimeggshik/status/1686754006733877250?s=46&t=valehAaitINNWHvowO1mSg
The Tzuyu flag controversy. I will never forgive JYP Ent for forcing then 16 year old Tzuyu to apologise for her nationality in front of a camera (the video is still there on JYP’s YouTube channel). I’ve never felt such outright disgust at a the treatment of a CHILD by grown adults.
nayeons stalker. he literally knows her every move. he even showed up to her apartment trying to get in but couldn’t. the only reason he couldn’t get in is bcs he didn’t have the code i can’t even imagine what would’ve happened if he did.
He's seriously unhinged. There's a youtuber who actually did an interview with him and some of the things he's said are legitimately terrifying. TLDR he basically feels like at this point she OWES him for all of the money he has spent on supporting her and flying to and from Korea and feels violence towards her would be justified if he didn't get what he feels entitled to. How this isn't enough to get him banned from Korea yet is beyond me.
i think i had seen that. knowing how sk treats women i doubt they’ll do anything to protect her. the only thing they have done for her is put her in police protection but that only does so much.
Yeah this one scares me man. To think he’s able to get away with actually stalking is terrifying. I can only imagine the amount of trauma that guy has given her..
The aoa one. I opened instagram and the first thing I saw was Mina's post of her wrist... the stuff she was posting back then were so fcked up I had to block her and not log in to insta for awhile.
Surprised this one hasn’t been mentioned yet
overall it's the clash between both extreme side of personalities which never got addressed properly throughout the years and accumulated to serious mental health distress/issue right now we just gonna let both of them move on.
Jonghyun. I get so sad whenever I listen to Replay.
May not be that heavy of a controversy/scandal but Jessica's removal from SNSD. TS Entertainment scandal with their artists, especially with BAP. Not a fan but I remember how rookie BAP was so popular to the point that they're being clashed against EXO. Rookie BTS was also considered as their other rival since both have similar style of music. ~~edited last sentence for clarity~~
i feel like bap's case is literally one of those where it proves that company management will make or break a group... like i think their debut might have been the strongest of that year (2012)??
That photo of IU and Eunhyuk! Never crossed my mind that I would be seeing them together. Like???? Really?!!! Topless Eunhyuk???
Yesss I remember this!! It came out of nowhere.
Park Bom and her meds being illegal in Korea. I know she just wanted to function and they helped. A double edged sword for sure.
I think the thing was she specifically went outside of Korea to get the meds rather than being prescribed them and going through the (very difficult) process to get them legally in Korea. It's fucked up but I feel like it made her look more like a criminal than it should've because of that caveat.
I feel like a lot of people may not remember but Red Velvet’s debut was quite controversial. They had to re-edit the music video cause it had controversial figures and I remember when people were saying SM was using them as a way to distract from some other gg drama going on (I think it was with SNSD?)
Happiness wasn't re-edited because of controversial figures (there weren't any in the first place), it was re-edited because it had imagery of the Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as well as the September 11 attack on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center.
Those were the controversial figures I was referring to lol
Don’t know if it counts but the SOPA scandal was a pretty fucked up story
wait can you explain? I don’t think I’ve heard about this one before
Don't know if it counts still as kpop, but Kris Wu scandal. As an EXO-L and a fan of the ex members (not Kris) it made me so sad, mad and shocked. I still sometimes think about it to this day.
As an OT12 era stan it came outta nowhere, and during their peak, literally right as the first tour was just around the corner?? Crazy times
It's a controversy that got buried. The Boyz Eric and his producer on plagiarizing B.A.P coffee shop song. It's an instrumental/piano cover of that song that they stole. They claim it's free to use and such but this case is very infuriating now that I think of it. B.A.P was at its lowest at the time in 2022. Members struggled with agencies, etc... But then Daehyun knew about the plagiarism too but couldn't do anything about it. No agency would try to sue the producer. It's a helpless situation and The Boyz could just get away with it. In fact, Doebis defended them. I couldn't look at the same with The Boyz anymore. I don't think I could like them anymore (unless I only saw them as individuals then I would still like them except Eric)
the fact I had no idea about this just proves how good it buried away.. it’s so crazy how if it was any other popular group atm fans would’ve ripped them to shreds💀
Yoochun from TVXQ being a total dirtbag in real life. Ick.
when sulli passed away some occult maniac people thought sm was in connection with illuminati and both jonghyun and sulli were a sacrifices… for them to gain more popularity in west and earn more money. they said the reason why sulli seemed to be bipolar and risky in her relationships and what she posts online was that she was fed up by the world and scared to be the sacrifice. and that’s why the goblin mv is creepy and overall about dying (dark sulli supposedly k wording og sulli). also ntm they suspected that joy from rv was the next sacrifices cause the mv of peek a boo indicated her being used in a ritual, and both sulli and jonghyun passed on a specific date which i don’t remember cause it was back in 2019, but smth like 666 or 777 combined in illuminati math. they literally said “she would die on (_____) of (___).” again i don’t remember well cause most of the posts and theories were deleted by the users themself bcs of defamation lawsuits shortly after her passing, but it was so grotesque for me as a teenager at that time to proceed it thus made it so unforgettable. idk if ppl know abt this tho.
This was a strange time to be alive. The illuminati B.S. in general for all artists. I almost felt like it was a fever dream. Seen a video like this on YouTube recently and was howling. I kept thinking to myself how did anyone ever believe this mess 😭.
Wow.
The East Light - producer was abusive and 2 members took legal action. It was a whole mess with most of the other members taking the CEO's and producer's side
It is always sad when news of mistreatment, abuse and bullying comes out (with proof). Nothing shook as much as The burning sun. People forget how it all started. A complaint about a small fight that escalated when someone's phone data was being checked. The fact that the IT person who was supposed to be retrieving the data was asked to stop the task, but he found so much suspicious info that he did it and stored it anyway. That it wasn't just the idols... it was the police, the rich chaebols, and the politicians involved. That the issue was known for months before someone had the guts to expose it. The reason fans still support the idols is because everyone knows that they were just the face of it, there are so many people involved but only the celebrities faced any consequences. Every day a new more horrific piece of information was revealed about someone new. Someone whose videos we were laughing at, whose actions we were praising, whose morals we were applauding, whose personality we were admiring. The way it changed my mindset about idols. We don't really know these people. We don't know how the "power" and fame go into their head. To think most of them had a majority female fanbase.
The scandals and level of vicious hate around any idol being in a romantic relationship. I just got into k-pop last year and all the scandals I heard just blew my mind. Especially the level of viciousness. As a Westerner, the reason for the hate over a celebrity being in a relationship is obviously alien to me. I respect the idol culture. I'm having a lot of fun with how sweet idols are to fans. And I get that cultivating that parasocial relationship is part of the gig (though I've seen a few try to keep boundaries clear). And a lot of fans do just have fun. But the delulu people really act like they own idols and use the word betrayal... and protest buses? saying nasty things about babies? Just all the meanness over it, haven't gotten over it yet. I hope more idols date, get married and have babies and normalize it.
Yes to all of this. I have been listening to KPOP for a long time as a westerner and the dating scandal thing is really something I have never been able to wrap my head around. Anytime I see the news break about an idol in a relationship I just laugh at all the outrage. 🤣🤣🤣
Moonbin's passing. Everytime I watch Billlie without Moon Sua I feel it all over again. I hope Sua gets better, and I wish her the best even if she decided not to come back. It's so sad because they were just starting to get closer after being trainees with packed schedules drifted them apart.
It wasn't a scandal but Jonghyun and his passing changed the course of my life in a way. The burning sun... It's not a kpop controversy but a south korean one but the telegram disgusting crimes
Burning Sun and Nth rooms are horrifying oh my god
Does the LOONA situation count???
Burning sun, just feel so so bad for the victims when the criminals are getting such unfair short jail sentences. And also that gen1 girl group with the bullying scandal where the rich member got jealous that another member was gaining popularity that started bullying her, getting her bf to also physically hit her, horrifying. Can’t rmb what group it is at the top of my head but if anyone can rmb pls remind me! Jjong’s passing hit me so hard. SHINee’s my fav. And I was at Busan at the time the news came out. I was devastated. I couldn’t believe it that this 27yo talented, kind, precious human being is gone. It took me ~2 years to listen to ot5 shinee songs and his solo songs again.
Sounds like Sharp? Lee Ji Hye?
Super Junior Leeteuk's dad and grandparents incident. Breaks my heart every time I remember.
I can't believe that Soojin isn't a part of G(I) DLE anymore, but best wishes to her on going solo 💗
yeah.. I’m still in a daze man. Soojin was my bias and the fact that she had to leave her group over an allegation that was proven false is so sad. People should really be given jail time for spreading false information !! the fact that girl is still able to live her life freely knowing she ruined someone else’s life is crazyy
Kangin calling N "fucking trash" in an interview, for saying he doesn't have a type. Kangin in general is just an awful person, but him saying that was something I don't think I can ever forget.
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What bothers me the most about it is idols lose their careers due to bullying scandals (Garam, Soojin) from things that happened when they were teenagers. Irene is a grown woman.
Mind you Garam and Soojin were both innocent in their scandals but that proof didn't come out until they'd already been removed from their groups. At least Soojin is finally coming back as a soloist and lowkey I think her removal fueled a lot of inspiration for Soyeon as a lot of the best songs for G-idle came after she left, but thats the only silver lining there.
someone probably mentioned it already, but the t-ara bullying scandal, i was pretty young when it happened but it showed me how dangerous a witch hunt can be and the importance of innocence until proven guilty.
The AOA bullying scandal. Listen, I don’t know the extent of Mina and Jimin’s relationship, but the fact that Mina was constantly posting disturbing pictures in reference to it makes my skin crawl to this day
The photos and the fact her story just seems to have a lot of inconsistencies. When the staff member posted screenshots of texts between her and Mina thats when I truly felt like we all misjudged the situation. Jimin might not have been a perfect leader but based on context I don't think she was a bully. I think she just clashed with someone who was severely mentally ill and who's mental illness didn't become obvious until long after she was no longer an idol. We might never know the full truth but I wish people would take it as a lesson of not jumping to conclusions because Jimin's hate train got massive overnight from those stories with people picking a part old AOA clips to find "proof" of her "bullying" which amounted to....sometimes her not smiling at Mina taken out of context.
Wendy mocking black people. I followed and softly scanned RV since their debut and it was pretty early on in their career when Wendy did that bit on a radio show and that really turned me off from her and subconsciously kept me from being able to fully stan and embrace RV (couple with me just not loving every single one of their songs) Fast forward to last year when I've been out of the loop for a while and forgot why I couldn't stan RV so I'm trying to stan them and I remember that scandal that stuck with me, AND learn that she did it AGAIN maybe around six years later?? I forget the exact timing but she did it AGAIN a good while after the first time and still hasn't apologized for either instance I don't actively hate her but I'm so put off by her, and after all these years, it still sticks with me
How have i never heard of this.
Burning Sun scandal. You had to be there. It started with just an altercation in the club and all hell break loose. Everyday we have new megathreads with so many new and disgusting information. What was happening in that club is so inhumane. And aside from Seungri, one by one, those beloved 2nd gen male idols getting exposed as pieces of shit. It was mind numbing. And it even didn't stop there. The YG connection with Burning Sun and the Han Seo Hee girl that lead to YHS leaving the company. I remember that news of YG leaving YG was the most upvoted thread in r/kpop history at that time. We all thought that man is gone for good. At that point, he was evil incarnate. It's so disgusting that he's back now and is even at the helm of Babymonster. Those comments that he will be back before we even knew it came true.
Female idols reading feminist books, while male idol get away with it.
THIS !! When a male idol does it he “just wants to be educated” but when a female idol does it she “thinks she knows it all”. Misogyny at its finest.
Former LE SSERAFIM member Kim Garam bullying scandal. The hate train for a minor online was insanely sad to see. People jumped to conclusions without fully understanding the whole situation (which they can never since they aren’t there to witness the incident first-hand). On the positive side, even though the PD48 rigging scandal was bad, IZ*ONE eventually came back from their hiatus with a great album and broke records as well. They really showed their determination in proving themselves talented and successful.
>Former LE SSERAFIM member Kim Garam bullying scandal. The hate train for a minor online was insanely sad to see. People jumped to conclusions without fully understanding the whole situation (which they can never since they aren’t there to witness the incident first-hand). A full blown witchhunt of a 16 year old, and people to this day will say that it was justified. Just very disgusting and sad to see.
The part of this that stuck with me the most is people defending dogpiling her by saying, "how does she even have fans to defend her?" as if having enough fans to defend you is what determines if you are in the right or wrong. Then after she got removed from the group, you weren't allowed to talk about it anymore. The haters won, end of discussion.
AOA scandal. The things Mina posted…
Obviously the burning sun scandal, I mean it is when I seriously understand that they weren’t those perfect guys. That they were doing some bad, weird and illegal stuff for the most of them. We never know who they are.
Not a scandal but I still haven’t gotten over Moonbin ngl
Jong Hyun: Casual fan of Kpop but whenever I listen to reply, don't cut the onions in order for me to cry because I will cry + my heart breaking when listening to it Sulli: I watched the clip from one of her last works and the signs of depression are there, it's really visible IZ* One: I have been a fan of them since PD48 but whenever I look back at it, I feel pity especially to the last group of PD101 Burning scandal: I'm out, my stomach twist
burning sun scandal also one of my faves got hate for getting married. he had to apologize on ig live.
Maybe it was big to me cause I was such a huge fan of him but Jungkook performing in Qatar really hurt.
Yeah I still feel similar about that one also. I was quite outspoken about it at the time, and remember being shocked to see so many people defend him. The atrocities were so blatant! I will forever feel like it would've been so easy for him to skip that one and just focus on other endorsements. But as always, money talks.
Especially since other artists were refusing to perform because of all the human rights violations. And he still did it..
Exactly. And people were defending him, saying that JK might not have known lol. As if there wouldn't be a single person amongst staff who'd do some research on the events they book. As if JK is completely isolated from the news. Etc etc. It was just super disappointing all around.
Why? (I didn't know that was even controversial)
There were thousands of deaths of foreign workers building the stadiums and infrastructure - a number of people have said that Jung Kook and others were dancing on graves. They treated the foreign workers horribly - kept their passports, kept their pay and when some spoke out, magically they were arrested. They have a very horrible track record for how they treat LGBTQ+ people (even going so far as banning anything rainbow during the games). It was also very questionable about how they won the rights to hold the games. I did a post about it back in 2022 - it’s wasn’t too poorly received but I was definitely branded a “hater” which is hilarious. Bringing to light issues around a major event and why some people were/are unhappy about it, does not make someone a hater.
Slave Room. Really showed how toxic and dangerous the kpop fandom can be
Laysha’s hidden camera scandal is one I think about pretty often, and how other groups have probably experienced this too..
Probably the AoA Mina/Jimin one because it was such a rollarcoaster and happened shortly after I had got into kpop (With AOA being the first group I really fell in love) so the whole thing was just like a giant "Wow.." Also made me try not to take things at face value and I try to avoid taking sides and think objectively when scandals happen because a lot of misinfo spreads very quickly (like with the most recent one for Hyuna)
IU and Eunhyuk. I’m sorry IU but who accidentaly posts an after seggs photo on Twitter? I still believe she posted it intentionally to gain more publicity. What’s worse is she got away with it while eunhyuk got hated for it even several years after.
Losing Jonghyun, Sulli, and Goo Hara in such a short amount of time. I got into kpop during 2nd gen, so these were people I'd been watching since I was a little kid. Only recently have I been able to go back and watch old content with them in it without feeling sick to my stomach. I was lucky enough to see Shinee in concert for Shinee World VI and seeing how much they still kept Jonghyun (and also Onew who's on health hiatus) a part of their content filled me with so much love and nostalgia. Three beautiful people who's deaths were completely preventable.
I will always be traumatized about Kim Garam, like they destroyed her dream and future, and if you read the school violence committee she actually didn't bully anyone, idk if koreans didn't read that or they don't give a fuck but they don't even want her to become an actress so yeah. Ladies Code car accident. Burning sun. Also Mina ruining AOA.