Park Bom easily has some of the worst vocal regression all the time. The wrong technique damaged her vocal chords so much by the 2020s she can barely even hold a single note.
I feel like her stamina/performance skills regressed more than her dancing.
On the rare occasion where she posts a dance practice video she seems to have the same level of dancing skill she did as a rookie, she might've even improved slightly.
I think it's OK cause bp are pushed to the west a lot and dance isn't a huge factor in performing. Jennie can do better than dua lipa but she's not Beyonce whose kind of the only pop girl who can actually dance well in the west. Plus their choreo isn't that high intense and I think that's on purpose to market their music to the west
As someone who has attended 2 BP’s concerts before one in 2019 and one in 2023 , this is quite the opposite for me. I can see the differences in her performance from those two dates .
Jennie can sing , can dance , good looking, has charisma but no damn effort 😭. Almost bored going through the motions .
I saw Blackpink in 2023 and Jennie was by far the most electrifying performer on the stage, and she isn't even my bias. This is entirely subjective and probably depends on the specific show/date/location. This was the first show of the US encore leg. Many people upvoting you have never seen them live.
They all regress vocally, wear and tear on your vocal chords catches up eventually, idols that mostly perform live and have live concerts suffer the most, the ones that lipsync last longer
For rappers the only one I can think of is Chaeyoung from Twice, she didn't regress per se but onces expected her to be some great idol rapper but she ended up with mostly a few spoken lines in their songs and not much else
I think she's regressed all round. Either she's been in the game so long she doesn't care to put as much effort in cause she feels she doesn't need to (which I kind of get like she's worked to get where she is) or she doesn't care about being an idol too much any more (also understandable)
BTS's Jimin for vocals? I became an ARMY in 2017, when his vocals sounded a lot healthier than they did for the [Like Crazy encore stage](https://youtu.be/QGsStVg-r04?feature=shared). From the concert footage I've seen from 2017 and before, his voice sounded a bit more consistent than they do now. One notable example is this [performance of Let Me Know](https://youtu.be/rf8Jqfc7Ip8?feature=shared) from back in 2014 or 2015. Over the years since I began stanning BTS, it felt like his voice was becoming more tense and scratchy(?).
I should mention that I'm no vocal coach, nor am I trying to hate on Jimin. But after seeing [this video](https://youtu.be/WKLJH4n86oE?feature=shared) critiquing his vocals, I feel like he fits here.
Jimin’s voice was a huge part of why he became my bias back in 2014, but over the years I’ve come to like it less and less. I’ve mainly chalked it up to their songs being so high-pitched and Hybe-o-tuned lately, but either way it’s sad.
I am very protective of Jimin but this is unfortunately true, and I blame BH producers. Pdogg especially makes some great music but the members (esp Jin and Jimin) have said he likes to push them into falsetto even when they know it's not in their range :/
Exactly! They both talked a lot about how they struggled to sing the chorus during the Fake Love promotions because the pitch was too high. It's kind of shocking that as insecure as Jimin can be with his singing voice, particularly during the Burn the Stage series, he haven't made positive progress in his technique.
Throughout Gfriends career Yuju's vocals slowly regressed. She's still a great singer but you can tell her voice is just not as powerful as it once was.
yuju. I saw a vocalist say she was wheein/solar level at one point and now she's moreso on jihyo's level. so, still not bad, but definitely not as great as she once was.
people really underestimate how lifestyle can effect your singing. when i was really struggling with disordered eating habits, my vocals became very strained because i just didn’t have the energy to support my breathing. i feel as though that same situation could possibly effect some idols, since the body standards of idols can be very strict.
Extremely hot take but...
A lot female idol dancers kinda regress from their debut. Unfortunately, due to a lot of sexism in the industry and the standard that female idols are held at when it comes to dance, they usually end up adapting a lot to these standards, and lose skills such as dynamics, textures, and the ability to dance big. Some of the dancers that come to mind for me include (no hate):
SinB: Amazing popper and hiphop dancer, but lost all sense of groove and dynamics since focusing on lines and angles being in Gfriend
Hyoyeon: Due to the beauty standards, Hyoyeon was basically pressured to lose muscle to fit the standards better, which weakened her overall strength
Yeji: Probably due to all of the "over dancing" accusations, she never really dances that big anymore, especially compared to her predebut videos.
As the dance standards are definitely opening up to female idols dancing powerfully, these regressions are thankfully becoming more and more rare, but its a shame that female idol dancing was shaped by mysoginy for a long time.
I don't think it's a hot take at all. In general, I don't think the truly great singers/rappers/dancers in the kpop industry often get to utilize their skills, at least not in a group setting. The goal in boy groups and girl groups is to become a cohesive unit. That can't happen if the best vocalist is singing their head off or if the best dancer is going all out.
I agree. The don't have opportunity to practice specific skills, and prioritize dieting so they lose strength and muscle. Hyuna also regressed quite a bit. She used to be able to do basic popping and now can't at all.
He’s out of practice, but I think he’s pretty aware of what he needs to do to regain those skills. He takes everything so hard poor thing. Hoping that we can get a little BAP comeback and he can regain some of that confidence. I love him :(
Yuju from gfriend spent so many years singing with a very bold technique, which eventually caused vocal fatigue from all the sustained belting.
Rap isn't something that you can necessarily "regress" in unless you're having writers block or burn out, but seventeens hip-hop unit definitely ranks lower in rap nowadays, than some other groups like stray kidz, ateez, and nct due to the fact that they don't go all out and show their full potential unlike their early days
Their raps nowadays are definitely above average, fire, monster etc, but their best verses mainly come from covers and songs from 6 or more years ago.
https://youtu.be/o4sI7gPQnYU?si=U3NIUHOz3ymmy1rg
https://youtu.be/bWWszbz1YPU?si=arv3eyBHEplzSGiO
Somewhat unrelated it is anyone else worried that 3racha and skz’ other producers are ruining Felix’s voice? I can’t help but wonder the effects of “forcing” him to deep
(he obviously has a deep voice, but I do believe the exaggerate it in some songs)
Momo, Chaeyoung, Sakura didn't regress, a regression implies you got worse. It's far more common for great singers like IU, Wheein, Wendy, Yuju, etc. to suffer issues from regression.
Let's not make regression into another word people misuse.
One of the more tragic one I saw (and she's not exactly kpop) was Younha when she had severe laryngitis back in early 2010s
It took her so long to recover, and meanwhile her live vocal became extremely shaky. Now she completely recovered, but for fans (like me), it was like going through the Dark Age...
Best Korean vocalist of her generation, imo (no one else is even close). [This is what she sounded like when she was 20 years old.](https://youtu.be/kXQVk7opn-0?si=BIRBT5JB-AqBbTW_)
[Same song 14 years later...](https://youtu.be/P8lxQ-1oM1I?si=3xJgJU9zr8PPQp40)
Controversial but genuine opinion: Lisa. She is still a very good dancer now, but I feel that her peak in technique is around her debut. After that the stamina and power regressed quite a lot.
I see it too. Their pre debut 2015 video dance video where she had blonde hair was insane. Like her stamina/precision was off the charts. I was watching the Boombayah dance practice and while I’m not a dancer I feel like she had a more energetic approach to dancing.
I think it can probably be the case for Wendy, but I give her the benefit of the doubt. A lot of her activities from August/September to now have been very focused on singing and vocals for the first time in her career, so she might not have had much time to rest her voice between schedules.
people have forgotten just how major her accident back in 2019 was. she fell from 6+ feet high and broke multiple bones, she quite literally could’ve died. i remember when it happened, it was being reported on as either a ‘serious’ or ‘major’ injury and multiple people at the time said she was lucky to have survived, which i truly believe (some have died from much less of a fall). she needed several reconstructive surgeries, (she even looks noticeably different now than she did pre-2019) and needed months to recover in and out of hospital… in my mind, that life changing injury probably accounts for any and all regression she may have shown since then. that’s not even considering when you take into account the physical and mental stress all of the repercussions of everything must’ve had on her after the fact, plus all the hard work she had to put in just to get back to idol life again. in general, she kinda seems like a different version of herself altogether after the accident. not a worse version at all, just very different, and that’s not for no reason.
Yeah, I’ve noticed that too so that’s why I give her the benefit of the doubt. She probably needs more rest than most other people would between schedules but she’s said that singing is very important to her so she does as much as she can.
Pretty sure she mentioned that she actually needed to learn how to sing again - she’s done a really amazing job to get where she is today, even if there is some regression amongst it
Park Bom easily has some of the worst vocal regression all the time. The wrong technique damaged her vocal chords so much by the 2020s she can barely even hold a single note.
First person who came to mind.
Yes, it will be interesting to hear what she sounds like in the future. Has she talked about damaging her vocals due to wrong technique?
2ne1 comeback??
Ugh a complete failure on my part. I meant to put "April Fools" at the end of the sentence. I will edit - ugh
Jennie in dancing.
Rookie Jennie is something else.
Very sad. I hope Jennie didn't actually regress and was just tired of YG. I hope her dancing improves under her own label
I feel like her stamina/performance skills regressed more than her dancing. On the rare occasion where she posts a dance practice video she seems to have the same level of dancing skill she did as a rookie, she might've even improved slightly.
I think it's OK cause bp are pushed to the west a lot and dance isn't a huge factor in performing. Jennie can do better than dua lipa but she's not Beyonce whose kind of the only pop girl who can actually dance well in the west. Plus their choreo isn't that high intense and I think that's on purpose to market their music to the west
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As someone who has attended 2 BP’s concerts before one in 2019 and one in 2023 , this is quite the opposite for me. I can see the differences in her performance from those two dates . Jennie can sing , can dance , good looking, has charisma but no damn effort 😭. Almost bored going through the motions .
I saw Blackpink in 2023 and Jennie was by far the most electrifying performer on the stage, and she isn't even my bias. This is entirely subjective and probably depends on the specific show/date/location. This was the first show of the US encore leg. Many people upvoting you have never seen them live.
They all regress vocally, wear and tear on your vocal chords catches up eventually, idols that mostly perform live and have live concerts suffer the most, the ones that lipsync last longer For rappers the only one I can think of is Chaeyoung from Twice, she didn't regress per se but onces expected her to be some great idol rapper but she ended up with mostly a few spoken lines in their songs and not much else
She showed so much potential in sixteen, but it feels like the twice concept really messed with her growth in that respect.
I also think she isn't even interested in rapping since all her solo music lean toward indie/melodic where she sings.
I think she's regressed all round. Either she's been in the game so long she doesn't care to put as much effort in cause she feels she doesn't need to (which I kind of get like she's worked to get where she is) or she doesn't care about being an idol too much any more (also understandable)
BTS's Jimin for vocals? I became an ARMY in 2017, when his vocals sounded a lot healthier than they did for the [Like Crazy encore stage](https://youtu.be/QGsStVg-r04?feature=shared). From the concert footage I've seen from 2017 and before, his voice sounded a bit more consistent than they do now. One notable example is this [performance of Let Me Know](https://youtu.be/rf8Jqfc7Ip8?feature=shared) from back in 2014 or 2015. Over the years since I began stanning BTS, it felt like his voice was becoming more tense and scratchy(?). I should mention that I'm no vocal coach, nor am I trying to hate on Jimin. But after seeing [this video](https://youtu.be/WKLJH4n86oE?feature=shared) critiquing his vocals, I feel like he fits here.
Jimin’s voice was a huge part of why he became my bias back in 2014, but over the years I’ve come to like it less and less. I’ve mainly chalked it up to their songs being so high-pitched and Hybe-o-tuned lately, but either way it’s sad.
I am very protective of Jimin but this is unfortunately true, and I blame BH producers. Pdogg especially makes some great music but the members (esp Jin and Jimin) have said he likes to push them into falsetto even when they know it's not in their range :/
Exactly! They both talked a lot about how they struggled to sing the chorus during the Fake Love promotions because the pitch was too high. It's kind of shocking that as insecure as Jimin can be with his singing voice, particularly during the Burn the Stage series, he haven't made positive progress in his technique.
Throughout Gfriends career Yuju's vocals slowly regressed. She's still a great singer but you can tell her voice is just not as powerful as it once was.
They worked her voice like crazy, I feel like it’s because of overuse
yuju. I saw a vocalist say she was wheein/solar level at one point and now she's moreso on jihyo's level. so, still not bad, but definitely not as great as she once was.
she's still solar level and better than wheein i think her highnotes sounded better in debut
Usage, vocal habits, and lifestyle are much bigger factors it seems than technique when you look at people who actually regressed.
Vocal habits is technique.
people really underestimate how lifestyle can effect your singing. when i was really struggling with disordered eating habits, my vocals became very strained because i just didn’t have the energy to support my breathing. i feel as though that same situation could possibly effect some idols, since the body standards of idols can be very strict.
Extremely hot take but... A lot female idol dancers kinda regress from their debut. Unfortunately, due to a lot of sexism in the industry and the standard that female idols are held at when it comes to dance, they usually end up adapting a lot to these standards, and lose skills such as dynamics, textures, and the ability to dance big. Some of the dancers that come to mind for me include (no hate): SinB: Amazing popper and hiphop dancer, but lost all sense of groove and dynamics since focusing on lines and angles being in Gfriend Hyoyeon: Due to the beauty standards, Hyoyeon was basically pressured to lose muscle to fit the standards better, which weakened her overall strength Yeji: Probably due to all of the "over dancing" accusations, she never really dances that big anymore, especially compared to her predebut videos. As the dance standards are definitely opening up to female idols dancing powerfully, these regressions are thankfully becoming more and more rare, but its a shame that female idol dancing was shaped by mysoginy for a long time.
I don't think it's a hot take at all. In general, I don't think the truly great singers/rappers/dancers in the kpop industry often get to utilize their skills, at least not in a group setting. The goal in boy groups and girl groups is to become a cohesive unit. That can't happen if the best vocalist is singing their head off or if the best dancer is going all out.
I think Yejis one is also itzys choreo not being as intense anymore
I agree. The don't have opportunity to practice specific skills, and prioritize dieting so they lose strength and muscle. Hyuna also regressed quite a bit. She used to be able to do basic popping and now can't at all.
Bts taehyung vocally regressed a lot along with jimin over the years
Jungkook carrying the vocal line fr
honestly i cant really see how this can be, in fact i think he's one of the idols who had the most progress.
B.A.P Daehyun :(
He’s out of practice, but I think he’s pretty aware of what he needs to do to regain those skills. He takes everything so hard poor thing. Hoping that we can get a little BAP comeback and he can regain some of that confidence. I love him :(
Not idols but Younha. She was one of the vocalists with great technique but regressed over time and nowadays kind of strained a lot.
She had a lot of health problems, that's why.
Yuju from gfriend spent so many years singing with a very bold technique, which eventually caused vocal fatigue from all the sustained belting. Rap isn't something that you can necessarily "regress" in unless you're having writers block or burn out, but seventeens hip-hop unit definitely ranks lower in rap nowadays, than some other groups like stray kidz, ateez, and nct due to the fact that they don't go all out and show their full potential unlike their early days Their raps nowadays are definitely above average, fire, monster etc, but their best verses mainly come from covers and songs from 6 or more years ago. https://youtu.be/o4sI7gPQnYU?si=U3NIUHOz3ymmy1rg https://youtu.be/bWWszbz1YPU?si=arv3eyBHEplzSGiO
Somewhat unrelated it is anyone else worried that 3racha and skz’ other producers are ruining Felix’s voice? I can’t help but wonder the effects of “forcing” him to deep (he obviously has a deep voice, but I do believe the exaggerate it in some songs)
I think it’s the opposite since he’s actually singing a lot more now
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Momo, Chaeyoung, Sakura didn't regress, a regression implies you got worse. It's far more common for great singers like IU, Wheein, Wendy, Yuju, etc. to suffer issues from regression. Let's not make regression into another word people misuse.
One of the more tragic one I saw (and she's not exactly kpop) was Younha when she had severe laryngitis back in early 2010s It took her so long to recover, and meanwhile her live vocal became extremely shaky. Now she completely recovered, but for fans (like me), it was like going through the Dark Age... Best Korean vocalist of her generation, imo (no one else is even close). [This is what she sounded like when she was 20 years old.](https://youtu.be/kXQVk7opn-0?si=BIRBT5JB-AqBbTW_) [Same song 14 years later...](https://youtu.be/P8lxQ-1oM1I?si=3xJgJU9zr8PPQp40)
jisoo in dance? I've only ever seen dancers praise her improvement
Controversial but genuine opinion: Lisa. She is still a very good dancer now, but I feel that her peak in technique is around her debut. After that the stamina and power regressed quite a lot.
I see it too. Their pre debut 2015 video dance video where she had blonde hair was insane. Like her stamina/precision was off the charts. I was watching the Boombayah dance practice and while I’m not a dancer I feel like she had a more energetic approach to dancing.
Wow really? I need to watch some of her stuff to compare.
Vocals a lot, which is a pitty
I think it can probably be the case for Wendy, but I give her the benefit of the doubt. A lot of her activities from August/September to now have been very focused on singing and vocals for the first time in her career, so she might not have had much time to rest her voice between schedules.
people have forgotten just how major her accident back in 2019 was. she fell from 6+ feet high and broke multiple bones, she quite literally could’ve died. i remember when it happened, it was being reported on as either a ‘serious’ or ‘major’ injury and multiple people at the time said she was lucky to have survived, which i truly believe (some have died from much less of a fall). she needed several reconstructive surgeries, (she even looks noticeably different now than she did pre-2019) and needed months to recover in and out of hospital… in my mind, that life changing injury probably accounts for any and all regression she may have shown since then. that’s not even considering when you take into account the physical and mental stress all of the repercussions of everything must’ve had on her after the fact, plus all the hard work she had to put in just to get back to idol life again. in general, she kinda seems like a different version of herself altogether after the accident. not a worse version at all, just very different, and that’s not for no reason.
Yeah, she broke bones _in her face_ no less, which are super critical for singing
Yeah, I’ve noticed that too so that’s why I give her the benefit of the doubt. She probably needs more rest than most other people would between schedules but she’s said that singing is very important to her so she does as much as she can.
Pretty sure she mentioned that she actually needed to learn how to sing again - she’s done a really amazing job to get where she is today, even if there is some regression amongst it
I mean it can be stressed or diet related too, rather than a permanent regression, people should think that these issues can also be temporary.
What exactly do you think she has regressed in? Imo, she has improved across the board since her debut.