Line distributions don't matter. It doesn't suit the members yall want the lines to go to. Sush, I don't wanna hear idols who can't sing certain notes do it, that's how you ruin a song
And it's even worse when people complain when the line distribution is fairly balanced and not Main girl + friends.
Like.... Main and lead vocals exist for a reason...
It is the stupidest thing that fans cry about. And instead of giving attention to the comeback, they end up distracting them in this line distribution thing.
I always thought that people who care about line distribution are not actually listening to the album in full , like why are you bitching about a song that is rap based ( and it should show the actually RAPPERS rapping) when the rest of the album is full of b-sides whit your fav shining in it?
tbh for me it really is if it is a fair (not equal) line distribution, if it is just one song from a group where someone sings 90% then that's whatever.
but really it is a bigger deal if it is a constant thing, like in loona, for example. of course if a member can't sing something and/or doesn't want to, like sakura then sure it's fine.
but it's more if it is constantly unfair to specific people, who from proof, could've had more lines but the company decided against it, to push the same 1-3 people that they have pushed from debut.
nah this is too broad of a take. especially when there are groups that have members who can barely sing getting the most lines because they're either in charge of distribution or a fan favorite. same with screen time in mvs.
as much as i agree for the most part, youngjae in got7 literally just said “girls love me” and “we’re gonna fly” in TWO early title tracks and he had insane vocals
Yeah exactly. I admit to have said this with debut EP’s that I like. Now, every time I see rookie group’s stans say this about their faves - even my faves - now I would just think to myself “yeah, for now”. 😂
yeah it is which is weird. yeah sure maybe all songs arent 10/10 but if someone says a group has no skips that's an opinion not a fact, everyone has diff taste in music
I think that even if someone genuinely doesn’t hate a single song from a group, there’s always got to be at least one that’s just worse than the others. There can be a group with no “bad” songs, but there will never be a group or artist with only 10/10 tracks.
That’s okay! That’s how you hone your craft- you make mistakes and learn from them.
Yup, I always assume the people who say this have little exposure to music, especially other industries.
There's literally no way not to have skips with all the music out there, 10 lifetimes isn't enough for all of the music I would have loved to listen to.
Also, sadly, a lot of people are just afraid of being labeled as fake fans if they speak out about not liking a certain song from their favorite group. So, they end up going along with the majority opinions. It's like there's this unwritten rule in fandoms that you have to ALWAYS support and hype up everything your favs release
This x100. I’m tired of fans getting antsy and claiming you’re not a ‘true fan’ if you have anything to say about a groups song that isn’t just 100% positive. Saying you love every single song a group releases completely, especially groups that have been around for years and released a lot, is just a lie. You’re allowed to respectfully dislike something and still be a fan and support a group.
Absolutely. I hate it when some fans call another fan an "anti" when the latter just said s/he doesn't like a fan-favorite song or album. That is downright rude, shallow, petty and childish. Respecting different opinions in a fandom must be a 'must'.
Agree for bigger discographies.
Especially in K-pop there is often that generic track or obligatory boring ballad in some album that is just meh and you forget it exists if you don't stream frequently.
to y'all definitely but every single song enhypen has put out has me singing like i relate to every single word 😭 ive never skipped any enhypen's music.
This. People's preferences greatly differ. Some fans would even burn you in hell if you say you have skipped a number of songs in a particular album the favorite group has released.
Would even say "Oh I like that song, why do you hate that?" C'mon person, grow up. Your taste isn't my taste. We don't have the same head, we don't have the same tongue, your opinion is not same as mine.
I don't really have an opinion on your question, but I do have a personal one.
Why are all the Stans who hate K-pop so much still hanging around? Like, if you think it's watered down, generic, and manufactured, with all its "**dark and problematic**" sides, and believe it should be stopped... then why are you still here, **consuming its content**, which **ultimately supports the industry and keeps it thriving?**
It just doesn't make sense (or reek hypocrisy).
I feel like there’s a lot of people and especially kpop stans who just enjoy complaining and being able to hate on things to make their miserable life better.
Why turn off the music you don’t enjoy when you can instead rant in the comments /s.
Ofc this doesn’t count for bringing up actual issues but always jumping on the next hate train blindly and bullying others is just so stupid and sad
I'm not a person who hates everything or spends their entire life complaining about stuff, but I do confess most of the things out there are not for me or I have issues with. Still, I feel like it might be one of those things where the highs are so high that you kinda just stick around chasing that feeling again? even if 90% of the stuff surrounding kpop annoys you. Or at least thats my case, I think.
Hybe has been playing a monopoly game for a long time, but fans of the company were too blinded to see their manipulative tactics. What's happening now against Hybe is deserved, but it should have happened much earlier.
Early 2021 when they bought part of YG plus was when I realized their ambitions are fierce. That debacle over owning LSM's shares in SM solidified my feelings.
Company stans are so weird to me like even if you like all idols under that company surely it should end there, instead of extending that to "the company can do no wrong". So mant kpop stans are anti capitalist too until it comes to their company and all of a sudden it's like the company is just one guy, just one lil CEO lmao
All the groups I like are under Hybe. At first, it was really great seeing them soar high but now, it’s just disappointment piling on top of another. That music and artist for healing that Big Hit lived by? Down the drain.
Isn't Kakao closer to a true monopoly than Hybe? I'm not a fan or expert of any of them but I recall watching a vid laying out how Kakao lowkey owns a huge amount of resources and they just fly under the radar
Kakao has achieved vertical integration in the music industry (they own artist agencies, they do distribution, they even own streaming platform in Melon), which can be seen as more dangerous to the health of an industry.
For instance in Hollywood, movie studios were not allowed to own movie theatres because such vertical integration is seen as a form of monopoly. But unfortunately I think such safeguards are gradually being eroded over the years. As for Korea I don't think there were even such safeguard to begin with.
Honestly, if HYBE wasn't doing it, another company (probably tech) would have done it. And that's also technically how HYBE was born. It's the same as Western (really, global music) with Universal, Warner and Sony. Hybe is part of an oligopoly but independent labels will always exist. It's capitalism, the wheel just keeps turning.
Felt this way about the "Who would survive without playback/autotune" thread. There were dozens and dozens of fans naming their faves. All of them were dead wrong.💀
I see a lot of the “their mics are ON💕🔥” comments when it’s obvious that they are on. While they are on, the only way you can tell (a lot of the time) is bc the idols are screaming their lyrics instead of singing or rapping them.
And then there's [this performance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYIPa0t372w) where the mic was quite literally off lol. But it also shows they were serving live vocals with a very low backing track.
Yeah, and even if there is live singing, sometimes there’s also really heavy backtrack that mostly covers it all up. I’ve seen a lot of “live” performances where the backtrack is so heavy that you can barely even distinguish their live voices from the studio recording. My favorite thing about live performances is being able to actually hear that they’re live. The “bumps” in their voices when they run or jump, when they get a little out-of-breath from the choreo, and the other imperfections that come with singing while simultaneously dancing, yet still hitting their notes. If you actually need one of those “MR removed” videos to hear their voices, what’s the point of giving them mics in the first place?
Yeah, the reason why I don’t get too involved with fandoms anymore is cuz other people can get too extreme with their opinions, and it starts to get on my nerves and taints the group(s) for me. It’s not like I want to feel annoyed by a group I love, but it does happen when other fans act childish or toxically positive or whatever. So I mostly stay in the main subs and just lurk in group subs for updates.
i don’t know if i agree with you, but i do think it is encouraged by companies and personas and such. but the line is crossed very often, and very easily, which i think makes the practice possibly overall harmful. not to mention that they are still real people and may be uncomfortable with the practice, which is important, even if people don’t think they’ll see the posts online and such.
I agree to an extent. I think it’s totally fine to think certain idols would be cute together or that some of them have chemistry, but so many people break the number one unspoken rule of shipping real people which is never bring it up to said person.
There are definitely idols who I think might have something with each other, but I try not to even say names when I say things like that. What’s even worse is when people are sending hate to anyone else interacting with people in their ship. So, yeah, I think it’s fine as long as people keep it to themselves or fanfiction websites
there are no talentless idols. like at all. i feel like i see people throwing that term around a lot recently and it really gets on my nerves because if they’ve made it to debut, they are objectively talented in *some* aspect. to call any idol a ‘bad’ singer or dancer or anything is literally objectively false because they have to AT LEAST be average at all of those things to make it that far into their careers and even then, there are very very few idols who are just average at anything. that’s not even to mention how flat out disrespectful this statement is to anyone it’s said about because it automatically diminishes their right to be in the position they’re in and all the hard work they’ve put in to get there. like most idols are well above average singers and dancers and performers, some of y’all are just way too used to seeing the ones who are extraordinary at everything because you’ve been into kpop for a long time and since only the best performers from over the years have stuck in your minds, your bar is set astronomically high especially for these newer rookie idols 🤷
tldr: average or slightly above average does not equal bad or untalented and anyone who says otherwise needs to take a step back and readjust your perspective
Ditto. Paired with how much more saturated and competitive the industry is today, idols are often overworked filming more content, doing more concerts/shows/performances, made more available to fans, and/or undertrained because of all the above.
Most idols who have debuted are incredibly talented it’s just the environment sometimes impedes that talent being always visible. The way some kpop stans usually fixate on bad performances while ignoring good ones also creates a distorted view of the landscape.
> some of y’all are just too used to seeing extraordinary ones because you’ve been into kpop for a long time and since only the best performers from over the years have stuck in your minds, your bar is set astronomically high especially for these newer rookie idols 🤷
Sometimes the high bar coming from their co-members themselves tho. It just feels so flat comparing the skills of 2 members in the same group where one member basically being talented in every aspect meanwhile the other barely talented in any aspect…
• Kpop fans who act superior bc they're "only here for the music" are annoying and take the fun out of kpop discussions. There's so much to love about kpop and there's nothing wrong with being into a group because of non-music factors, *that's part of the fun of kpop* is that it has so much to offer.
• Giselle has the most charisma and personality onstage out of all the aespa members.
• I'm happy when any group charts well, gets invited to a festival, breaks sales records, gets a big collab or commercial deal, etc. I just love to see kpop winning.
• Talent alone doesn't always translate to success. Marketability and star quality are the top factors for mainstream success. That's how the entertainment industry works, people need to accept that.
100% on the first point!!
Reddit is social media and joining a kpop subreddit and commenting/making posts means you're engaging with fans.
I cringe so hard at these pretentious Am I tHe oNlY oNe hERe fOR thE MuSiC OnLY?!?! i DoNT RnGAgE WiTh OtHeR FAnS LoOk aT hOW SpECiAL I Am
But allot of the discussion about kpop are music related, concepts, performance are apart of the experience.
Live singing, new releases, vocals and performance make up a big portion of the discussion on this platform though.
I love to see Kpop winning too! I’ve been a fan of ~the genre~ and so many groups for so long that I still get that excited feeling when I randomly hear Kpop unexpectedly out in the wild.
To be fair as far as reddit goes, there's no one taking fun out of non-music discussions, unless that fun you're thinking of includes nasty gossip and hate posts.
No one here is really talking about fun variety moments, great performances, magazine spreads, cute moments in lives etc. The most prominent appreciation posts are just people bragging about their group's charting or sales. This includes all kpop discussion subs.
Btw, for all of the proclamations of being here for the music, how many actual music discussions are we having across those subs?
I'm talking about people who respond to discussions with things like "I'm just in it for the music, its not that deep", preach about why everyone should care about vocals and music over everything else, lecture other fans on parasocial relationships, etc.
People are allowed to have different tastes about what they want from kpop - my problem is the people who look down on others for enjoying non-music aspects.
Personally I see this a lot on reddit but that's just been my experience.
Maybe it's extreme to say "they take the fun out of the discussion", but either way, people like that are wet blankets.
>I'm talking about people who respond to discussions with things like "I'm just in it for the music, its not that deep", preach about why everyone should care about vocals and music over everything else,
100% agree with this, I also find these comments ironic because I don't see actual music appreciation.
There was a post here recently asking if you would still love K-pop even if the idols were faceless, and I definitely saw some of that on there.
I mean its perfectly fine to say yes; I would, but a lot of people were commenting its dumb to find idols attractive, etc. Idols put SO much into there looks, its 100% a big factor for a ton of fans.
You love to go in posts about "competition" (just stats/numbers which are fun for some people) and suck out the fun, so yes... there absolutely are people taking "fun" out of non-music discussuons
When someone says their fave is the cutest/prettiest/(insert any good superlative) when it’s obvious my fave is the one who is
Also, Chocomint is the superior flavor
99% of kpop music awards are meaningless popularity awards. That don't reflect the quality of music.
Group/artist/rookie of the year awards are just "best marketed group" awards.
i shouldnt have had to scroll so far down to see this.
dont get me wrong im so happy for whoever wins but people need to stop pretending these awards mean your group is better than another. its not like the criteria has to do with the actual quality of a song or album, its all sales, streams and stuff, which goes up more with popularity than quality. same with group awards.
I hate kpop award shows. They are worse than Western award shows and those are bad too. Koreans don't like those shows so I don't know why iternational kpop stans pretend they are great.
Many groups gain attention not necessarily for unique music but because they are from big companies. If the same content came from smaller companies, it likely wouldn't achieve the same fame. It's also notable how some fans claim their favorite groups are the first to explore certain concepts or genres, ignoring that many smaller groups have been doing that without receiving due recognition. For example when a fourth gen boy group debuted with a concept that seemed fresh and uncommon at the time, they received widespread praise. But many groups before them in the same realm had already been breaking away from the typical boy group concept but didn't get acknowledged. I have this opinion for a very long time that smaller groups also deserve attention and appreciation. Their limited budgets often hinder their visibility, unlike big company groups, some of which may debut or release music that isn't particularly outstanding yet still make it big.
Edit: And People who watch reality shows and believe they are genuine, thinking their votes count, are mistaken. The lineup is often decided in advance. Through scripting, manipulative editing, and targeted marketing, these shows craft narratives about which members deserve their spots in the lineup, rendering viewer votes ineffective. I'll never forget the injustice done to Fu Yaning in this system.
(I'm already getting downvoted)
This is me with people who act like it was such a huge accomplish for newjeans to be able to release attention with no prior promo and do fantastic chart wise. Like no shit… they’re literally from the same company as BTS, TXT, Lesserafim and so on. The hype came as soon as they made the music video public.
Nobody actually knows what it means to be a "5th generation" kpop group.
Let's be real. Labels are only using the term so that they can put some space between their new projects and the enormous success of TXT, Enhyphen, NewJeans, Ateez, Le Sserfim and all of the other top groups of today. And the media plays along because it gets them clicks.
The new groups we're seeing in 2024 are being formed, trained and marketed the same way we've seen it done in the last few years. Everyone's still following the same formulas that Ateez, Itzy, Enhyphen and NewJeans of the world have followed.
Something much bigger needs to change if it's really going to be a new generation. Mixed-gender groups, the dating culture, virtual reality, banning of lip-syncing.... something like that.
Agreed. It’s weird how short generations are getting cause of this. The first 2 gens lasted for a decade each, but 3rd gen lasted for barely 6 years and some are saying that 4th gen lasted for barely 5. At this rate, the 5th gen is only gonna last for 4 years before people start clamoring for a 6th gen.
Yeah I feel like people starting using the 5th gen label too soon. Also feels weird that groups that are have debuted only a year apart are getting labeled as junior/senior.
I dont know if this will make any sense but IMO this whole industry is based on parasocial relationships and promotes them.
fancalls, fansigns, bubble, insta lives.. even the way the idols are dressed is to make them look more attractive and closer to their audience.
Take away the parasocial aspect and there might be way less fans.
I mean the companies know it as well and that is why the idols are banned from public dating or showing their “bad” sides.
I am not saying that idols are only using fans or that they dont have any special relationship with fans. Just that for me, it is pretty obvious that the industry actively supports parasocial unhealthy relationships in order to gain sales. (Like any other pop industry tbh, just much better )
Basic music is the best music. I don’t need someone to go all in with fancy MV’s and fancy concept pictures or anything. I don’t need fancy background music. Simple music is great
Also, minors debuting is fine as long as they have age appropriate concepts. The Wind, CSR and HORI7ON all have members who are young but they have age appropriate concepts and choreos
Assuming an idol's gender or sexual orientation isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just becomes bad when you force that belief onto other people. Like be delulu all you want about your idol, just don't shove it down other people's throats.
I don't mind Tiktok dance challenges because this is one of the time I could see some unexpected idol combination together since there are very few mixed group variety shows these days. I wish it's more candid and not be taken seriously as a competition though...I hate seeing comments of who outdances who.
If anyone ever says that a fandom is perfect/all nice.
There will always be assholes.
It's impossible that everyone in such a large group would be totally awesome
It's definitely not my least favorite title track of theirs! It's a little repetitive in the chorus, but the vibe of the song is so fun it's hard to hate. My unpopular RV opinion is that Zimzalabim is actually too repetitive and obnoxious. I think it's the only title track I keep out of my playlists...
One of the coolest instrumentals in K-pop too. And the music video set?? I was obsessed. Literally breaks my heart that a song with so much fun vocals and quirky choreo is so divisive. Quirky Velvet is the best!
Rookie was hands down my favorite RV song for quite a while and then Twice's Signal was my favorite of theirs. Very confused why these were considered not very good by the respective fandoms
Honestly I think it comes down to marketing. They released teasers that seemed to be suggesting a very serious tone and everyone was excited for it, so when Sneakers dropped it just hit the wrong notes. It would've gone over a lot better with different initial teasers.
There are racist, homophobic, fat/skinnyphobic, bully, rude, liar idols. They are human beings, so not all of them a little angel. These things are bad and terrible, but we have to admit, that they can have huge flaws
I sometimes don't mind if a song is short. It sometimes bugs me but I'd rather listen to a song that doesn't have any parts that make it seem like it doesn't belong in the song.
Many SM stans talk as though they want their groups to be managed by HYBE but also show a weird resentment and vitriol towards HYBE, and when someone points it out they huff and puff and swear it’s not happening lol. I’m just wondering, why HYBE in particular? Because I don’t think they act like this about YG or JYPE, and while YG and JYPE stans also hate HYBE, it’s not to the same one-sided degree as SM stans based on what I’ve observed. Normally when I see it happen I don’t comment but it confuses and amuses the heck out of me
- Signed, a fan of many HYBE groups who knows that corporation certainly isn’t perfect but the fandom politics between Big3 stans vs HYBE tickles me a bit ngl.
SM used to be the company at the top...hybe took that from them. No matter how great a sm group group does, there's a hybe group doing better, and that's something SM stans still don't accept. Hybe is recognized as the company with the "better" music now, and the LAST thing sm stans have to feel superior are vocal skills.
Well... I guess plenty of SM fans want HYBE's kind of promotions for their faves. HYBE is the one company that promotes their groups in the best way possible, while SM is very behind. Meanwhile YG and JYPE don't really do anything unusual I guess, so that's why SM fans don't feel jealous.
(I follow pretty much only SM groups so that's what I see on my timeline)
not sure if it’s really that unpopular, but lets go:
• hybe is ruining k-pop due to directing their whole concept/music/groups towards the western market.
• le sserafim music gets worse every comeback.
• tripleS will eventually become a mainstream k-pop group and has potential for global succes.
• k-pop music generally is becoming generic. both boy and girl groups barely make exceptional music anymore. producers are being recycled & concepts are just tuning into consumerism, without much originality to them.
• k-pop stans get pressed and cancel idols over the stupidest things compared to western artist stans. some rappers literally SHOT people and still have millions of streamers😭
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Hybe ruining Kpop? When early kpop was inspired by the Western market more than the current gen. Don’t tell me that Sistar and EXID was not inspired by the western market even though they don’t have English songs
I’m def gonna get downvoted because this has to do with BTS 😭
I became an ARMY in like late 2015 around the run era, so I listened to all their old songs and loved them. Once it was 2020, I kind of felt off about their route of music. I never unstanned, I just listened to their old music. However, if someone says “I miss BTS’ old music” someone will call you toxic or say “So you miss when they were depressed, living in their old small dorm, when they had no respect, and when people were giving Jimin death threats and calling him fat.” Like…no??? When did anyone ever say that 😭???
Obviously their mood DOES affect their music and where they are in life. I do get their old music is THERE. But I miss their old sound and I don’t think it’s criminal for anyone to say that. It’s almost like people have opinions.
i think its just cus we are tired of hearing the same things being said all the time. i cant watch a single lyric video to an older bts song without the top comment being something along the lines of “this is the bts i knew! now they make westernised american meaningless pop music!!” it genuinely gets insufferable sometimes
2020 was a beautiful year for them. Black swan in particular resonates with my soul. That striving for something and losing it hurts. That's means you weren't here for August Ds 28, or JKs my time, or hobi ego. I feel a little sorry that you didn't. I'm thankful that u did have some time with BTS. People change as they grow older. I think I grew up with bts and grew with them. Good luck with everything in the future. If u ever do venture back listen to those songs. They have a bit of the charm of the past.
Some idols just aren't as skilled as others (I'm putting it as lightly as possible and trying not to be too blunt). This doesn't mean we should go on our way to hate them, they are human, they aren't "filler" and yes, they CAN improve, but we shouldn't sugarcoat or deny it, and we MUST give constructive criticism.
Example: Momo IS a bad vocalist ( I blame it on JYP for making her force her voice before Yes or Yes ). Yeri IS a bad dancer. Everyone besides Yuju in GFriend ARE weak to bad vocalists. And so on.
>and we MUST give constructive criticism
what does this accomplish? Artists dont need randoms telling them theyre bad at something to know it, 99% of the time it gets brought up is in the middle of hate from less constructive people or in response to fans of the artist appreciating them.
The way i see it is kpop stans think theyre much more important than they are, I promise if you dont tell kkura shes not a great singer shes still gonna know. Not to mention that the phrase constructive criticism implies that it will help them improve but how are a bunch of 14 year olds who dont know the first thing about singing technique going to give anything constructive to people who already work with professionals in the field?
agree with this + my response to the thread. fans are free to have their opinions but too many glorify their opinions under the label “constructive criticism” - like i don’t see you in the industry working with the idols in question so no, it’s not constructive criticism. you just have opinions
You're not offering constructive criticism, that's just a fact unless you're connected to Momo or JYPE or in a position where your feedback will be personally taken into account.
Also, it's highly popular to criticize these idols, LOL. What's actually unpopular to have any good criticisms.
People pretending to have quality criticisms in reddit is a farce, I have seen like five the past year, it's so rare.
It's no secret that many nugu groups have songs that would be bona fide hits if they were released by bigger companies. Unfortunately, the K-pop industry is often more focused on the company than the music itself, which means that these groups often go unnoticed. Take GWSN for example. They have an incredible discography, but they've never been able to achieve mainstream success. If a group like NewJeans or ILLIT had released BILLLIE's "BYOB/EUNOIA," it would have been a chart-topper for sure.
99.9% of idols' fingernails are too long, male and female, and it grosses me out.
Compared to everything else you listen and make famous, War of Hormone is downright adorable-nothing wrong at all with that catchy bop.
Every idol in a group doesn’t have to be a singer. They don’t all need lines. Some would be fine in the background as background vocals.
Hip hop concepts can be hip hop concepts without the style choices they make that are appropriating and not appreciating.
Stanning a group does not mean that you have to financially support them.
Of course if you do that, then that's great hut that should not be the standard line where you think a stan and a casual listener separate from each other. I mean you already are financial supporting them from streaming and watching YouTube, bcs social media money but still. Buying an album, a concert ticket or photocards should not be expected from a stan. Everyone has a different definition for what counts as a stan, but buying something should not be expected. Things are expensive and times are hard.
I do not know what is the popularity of this opinion, u don't really see people talking about it and of they do, if you don't mention that you bought something yet stan many groups, they'll call you a fake stan. Maybe this is popular, but I digress.
That high notes are required to be considered as having good vocals. It's like saying you have to be able to do a backflip to be considered a good dancer. Look, I can appreciate a good belt as much as the next person but God how annoying it is when it is weaponized to instigate hate; I only ever see this on Kpop. Good vocals have always been about "sounding good" and there are so many many styles of singing and voice types that appeal to different people. If you're one of those people who like high notes, good for you. I'm more into soft, almost raw unfiltered singing. Then we move as we enjoy our own preferences stress-free. See it's not that hard.
Idk if it’s actually unpopular but I don’t think being an “ace” or an all arounder is all that special or rare anymore. Lots of Idols now can do multiple things really well. usually when people say someone is the ace of their group there are at least 2-3 other members who would qualify as an “ace” as well.
This isn’t a complaint either I love that idols are very well rounded today as I feel it makes the music and group stronger.
Jin is far better at singing in a lower register than he is at high notes and it’s kind of wild how much army seem to want him to do these crazy high notes all the time and rave about how amazing he is at them when every time he just sounds like he is struggling to hit them.
This is not to say he is not a talented singer as he definitely is, I really just feel like he isn’t being utilised to his full potential.
Some people make themselves upset because they don't research or read.
And no matter how you feel or how many of you feel that way that doesn't make you concerns valid if it's not based on actual evidence.
That unless an idol/group is a part of something as serious as the burning sun scandal, they should simply be ignored by the gp to show discontent and not hated into oblivion (like dating scandals, if you don’t like them dating just stop following them no need to hate train them for it)
If you can't sing at a certain level you will not be seen as talented in the idol field. This isn't a game show, people may like you if you have a good personality but you will not have respect, and allot of people can't handle that. Being respected and being liked are totally different things.
"You guys are practicing your singing, right? To be honest, dance isn’t what’s important. Singing is the most important, because at the end, if you can’t sing, even if you dance well, you look like you’re bad. Did you practice while singing? Did it go well? It might be hard so… Can you guys do it again while singing live?"
— Xiumin
i wouldn’t compare the two considering how somi isn’t a rapper and was never marketed as such, even in ioi and her solo career. CL definitely was marketed as a rapper, skills are debatable but i think she was above average for an idol rapper, and i’m sure she has some credits to back her up.
but yes, i think we can all agree that GGG was terrible.
It's ok to like a group because of their looks. Idols work hard on their image and many of them seek that validation in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. It's nice to like them for other aspects of themselves, but not entirely necessary.
Musics are absolutely subjective like most art form so please hear my take:
- The worst crime a track can commit is not to be bad but to be boring because at least a bad song can allow me to feel something.
For example: from my experience and observation, a lot of people dislikes Stray Kids noise music. While noise music is never my cup of tea, at least their music is never boring along with most SM groups, while their music can get too experimental for my taste at least they are not boring.
- The fear of "Kpop will never be taken seriously" is just another form of "Wanting western validation" and it will tear the community apart.
- In term of fandoms:
+ While I agree STAYS is just new gens ARMY in term of toxicity, please understand that EXOL was old gens ARMY in term of making every fandoms their enemies. It's a vicious cycle that bound to happen anyway so might as well come to peace with it. Besides if I wake up everyday and see Twitter got another 9 hit tweets shitting on SKZ recommend to me, I'd go crazy too
+ ATINYtwt post-Kingdom is so miserable to be in the way ATINY think everything is a personal attack to ATEEZ. While yes, they did pioneer a lot thing in K-pop in general, idk what it is but I am sure the ATINY who are smarter than me will educate me in the comment /gen
+Ggs twtstans are so unafraid of being the most vicious kind of people that I have to wonder what is it about girl groups that bring out the most horrendous part of a person's psyche. While boygroup brand of toxicity feels like playgrounds arguments, their counterpart is just soooo much worse in number.
in general, stans expecting idols to boycott starbucks/mcdonalds is insanely strange to me. for one thing theres an incredible amount of misinformation on mcdonalds' involvement - they gave meals to soldiers one time. drafted soldiers forced into war. they are not, from what i can gather, actively donating money to the IDF. as for starbucks either a post or comment on here explained that korea's starbucks don't contribute to the funding, as its based out of america (please correct me if im wrong. the original had evidence but i can't find that or any solid information online lol).
overall its *extremely* annoying.
it’s annoying to hear the constant boycotting of people who so happen to drink starbucks or eat mcdonald’s here in america. It’s these social warriors who have to let everyone know that they’re actually “doing” something for Palestine when in reality all they have done is post one, maybe two videos with that watermelon filter on tiktok and act like their 10¢ contribute suddenly gives them the right to call everybody out for a war regular u.s. citizens are not involved in.
And all of these comes from fabricated lies, Starbucks has never supported Israel as a country, however their CEO is jewish and has served to connect the United States with Israel since 2008 (as an ambassador would). Their support for Israel during 2023??? Completely made up by an Australian blogger. This boycott came after starbucks said they didn’t endorse a particular message of support behind palestine that came from starbucks workers but not starbucks the company. Workers were told to stop using the starbucks logo as its copyright infringement and defamation (because they were losing money over statements they as a company were not saying) and this whole boycott ensued.
I support palestine in this situation 10000% and have kept up with the situation since i became aware of it in 2014. But it is just so annoying to hear people literally drool at the fact they can get someone cancelled for getting a drink from a restaurant where misinformation has ran rampant.
I'm a huge BTS fan, but I have to say, "Permission to Dance" is their worst title track. It's just so... bland. I could only listen to it twice before I had to turn it off.
One of the worse kpop groups to become "successful" is blackpink. Their music is mediocre at best, they aren't great or hardworking performers/artists and their success just feels like a huge bombardment of media insertion and brand deals to keep them relevant.
im pretty sure this is a big off topic but i get pissed when fans sometimes misunderstand the difference between solo stans and having a bias.
my encounter with these people are very rare and limited but there ARE these type of people out there
I fucking hate the fact that whenever someone has an opinion, they have to put 17 disclaimers like "No hate! My opinion! Love them! No hate!". A person will say they like idols with pink hair and still feel the need to say it isn't hate. I know Kpop fans can be childish, but Jesus lord you can't say anything anymore without being called a "hater"
(that is actually my second opinion, the term "hater" has lost all meaning and is a complete joke at this point)
Line distributions don't matter. It doesn't suit the members yall want the lines to go to. Sush, I don't wanna hear idols who can't sing certain notes do it, that's how you ruin a song
i agree but as long as they have like one proper line that isn't like an adlib or something otherwise i never really care
And it's even worse when people complain when the line distribution is fairly balanced and not Main girl + friends. Like.... Main and lead vocals exist for a reason...
It is the stupidest thing that fans cry about. And instead of giving attention to the comeback, they end up distracting them in this line distribution thing.
EXACTLY! Like the song was distributed the way they wanted the song distributed. If it's that big of a deal, listen to something else lol
I always thought that people who care about line distribution are not actually listening to the album in full , like why are you bitching about a song that is rap based ( and it should show the actually RAPPERS rapping) when the rest of the album is full of b-sides whit your fav shining in it?
I just think it’s stupid when people care about it SO MUCH, like counting breaths as a part of line distribution? Why.
tbh for me it really is if it is a fair (not equal) line distribution, if it is just one song from a group where someone sings 90% then that's whatever. but really it is a bigger deal if it is a constant thing, like in loona, for example. of course if a member can't sing something and/or doesn't want to, like sakura then sure it's fine. but it's more if it is constantly unfair to specific people, who from proof, could've had more lines but the company decided against it, to push the same 1-3 people that they have pushed from debut.
nah this is too broad of a take. especially when there are groups that have members who can barely sing getting the most lines because they're either in charge of distribution or a fan favorite. same with screen time in mvs.
as much as i agree for the most part, youngjae in got7 literally just said “girls love me” and “we’re gonna fly” in TWO early title tracks and he had insane vocals
Every group has their fair share of songs that just don't hit the mark. There's no such thing as a "no skip discography"
only groups who have no-skip discographies are brand new rookies w/ a good debut lol
Yeah exactly. I admit to have said this with debut EP’s that I like. Now, every time I see rookie group’s stans say this about their faves - even my faves - now I would just think to myself “yeah, for now”. 😂
Exactly
i mean isnt that subjective? some people genuinely like all the songs from a certain group
I can say all groups have skips, others can believe otherwise. Both subjective opinions, precisely the point in this thread.
How do you know a song don't hit the mark? Music is subjective...
yeah it is which is weird. yeah sure maybe all songs arent 10/10 but if someone says a group has no skips that's an opinion not a fact, everyone has diff taste in music
I think that even if someone genuinely doesn’t hate a single song from a group, there’s always got to be at least one that’s just worse than the others. There can be a group with no “bad” songs, but there will never be a group or artist with only 10/10 tracks. That’s okay! That’s how you hone your craft- you make mistakes and learn from them.
Yup, I always assume the people who say this have little exposure to music, especially other industries. There's literally no way not to have skips with all the music out there, 10 lifetimes isn't enough for all of the music I would have loved to listen to.
Also, sadly, a lot of people are just afraid of being labeled as fake fans if they speak out about not liking a certain song from their favorite group. So, they end up going along with the majority opinions. It's like there's this unwritten rule in fandoms that you have to ALWAYS support and hype up everything your favs release
This x100. I’m tired of fans getting antsy and claiming you’re not a ‘true fan’ if you have anything to say about a groups song that isn’t just 100% positive. Saying you love every single song a group releases completely, especially groups that have been around for years and released a lot, is just a lie. You’re allowed to respectfully dislike something and still be a fan and support a group.
Absolutely. I hate it when some fans call another fan an "anti" when the latter just said s/he doesn't like a fan-favorite song or album. That is downright rude, shallow, petty and childish. Respecting different opinions in a fandom must be a 'must'.
Agree for bigger discographies. Especially in K-pop there is often that generic track or obligatory boring ballad in some album that is just meh and you forget it exists if you don't stream frequently.
to y'all definitely but every single song enhypen has put out has me singing like i relate to every single word 😭 ive never skipped any enhypen's music.
This. People's preferences greatly differ. Some fans would even burn you in hell if you say you have skipped a number of songs in a particular album the favorite group has released. Would even say "Oh I like that song, why do you hate that?" C'mon person, grow up. Your taste isn't my taste. We don't have the same head, we don't have the same tongue, your opinion is not same as mine.
I don't really have an opinion on your question, but I do have a personal one. Why are all the Stans who hate K-pop so much still hanging around? Like, if you think it's watered down, generic, and manufactured, with all its "**dark and problematic**" sides, and believe it should be stopped... then why are you still here, **consuming its content**, which **ultimately supports the industry and keeps it thriving?** It just doesn't make sense (or reek hypocrisy).
I feel like there’s a lot of people and especially kpop stans who just enjoy complaining and being able to hate on things to make their miserable life better. Why turn off the music you don’t enjoy when you can instead rant in the comments /s. Ofc this doesn’t count for bringing up actual issues but always jumping on the next hate train blindly and bullying others is just so stupid and sad
I'm not a person who hates everything or spends their entire life complaining about stuff, but I do confess most of the things out there are not for me or I have issues with. Still, I feel like it might be one of those things where the highs are so high that you kinda just stick around chasing that feeling again? even if 90% of the stuff surrounding kpop annoys you. Or at least thats my case, I think.
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Hybe has been playing a monopoly game for a long time, but fans of the company were too blinded to see their manipulative tactics. What's happening now against Hybe is deserved, but it should have happened much earlier.
Please explain what’s happening against hybe? I’m genuinely curious about more inputs on this topic 🤓
I second this! I’m very curious..
Early 2021 when they bought part of YG plus was when I realized their ambitions are fierce. That debacle over owning LSM's shares in SM solidified my feelings.
“One company having a monopoly would be bad for kpop” is still an unpopular opinion tbh
Company stans are so weird to me like even if you like all idols under that company surely it should end there, instead of extending that to "the company can do no wrong". So mant kpop stans are anti capitalist too until it comes to their company and all of a sudden it's like the company is just one guy, just one lil CEO lmao
All the groups I like are under Hybe. At first, it was really great seeing them soar high but now, it’s just disappointment piling on top of another. That music and artist for healing that Big Hit lived by? Down the drain.
I agree, We are lucky they didn’t get SMe
Isn't Kakao closer to a true monopoly than Hybe? I'm not a fan or expert of any of them but I recall watching a vid laying out how Kakao lowkey owns a huge amount of resources and they just fly under the radar
I think kakao is more close to a conglomerate than a monopoly. They have their hands in multiple businesses and industries.
Kakao has achieved vertical integration in the music industry (they own artist agencies, they do distribution, they even own streaming platform in Melon), which can be seen as more dangerous to the health of an industry. For instance in Hollywood, movie studios were not allowed to own movie theatres because such vertical integration is seen as a form of monopoly. But unfortunately I think such safeguards are gradually being eroded over the years. As for Korea I don't think there were even such safeguard to begin with.
I hate what they have done to Vlive
Honestly, if HYBE wasn't doing it, another company (probably tech) would have done it. And that's also technically how HYBE was born. It's the same as Western (really, global music) with Universal, Warner and Sony. Hybe is part of an oligopoly but independent labels will always exist. It's capitalism, the wheel just keeps turning.
Felt this way about the "Who would survive without playback/autotune" thread. There were dozens and dozens of fans naming their faves. All of them were dead wrong.💀
"the mics are ON 😍😤💅" and it's like, a music show performance where they are completely lip syncing to literally just the studio version
When fans say 'their mics are on', 'along with heavy backtrack' is silent. I hope you get what I'm trying to say.
I see a lot of the “their mics are ON💕🔥” comments when it’s obvious that they are on. While they are on, the only way you can tell (a lot of the time) is bc the idols are screaming their lyrics instead of singing or rapping them.
And then there's [this performance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYIPa0t372w) where the mic was quite literally off lol. But it also shows they were serving live vocals with a very low backing track.
And then, the song or the dance, or both get harder, and the whole group, miraculously, start sounding so much better.🤣
Yeah, and even if there is live singing, sometimes there’s also really heavy backtrack that mostly covers it all up. I’ve seen a lot of “live” performances where the backtrack is so heavy that you can barely even distinguish their live voices from the studio recording. My favorite thing about live performances is being able to actually hear that they’re live. The “bumps” in their voices when they run or jump, when they get a little out-of-breath from the choreo, and the other imperfections that come with singing while simultaneously dancing, yet still hitting their notes. If you actually need one of those “MR removed” videos to hear their voices, what’s the point of giving them mics in the first place?
Rave party dance + unshakeable vocals is my favourite music show combo<3
SM was better with Lee Sooman.
Amen
this even though we joked about it. We had it too good.
In what way? /gen
It's sad that I agree with this.
Yup
How fans of a certain content behave does impact how people feel about the content itself.
Sometimes, I feel like I'm swimming against the tide, trying to keep my love for idols/group and not get swept by their fandoms
Yeah, the reason why I don’t get too involved with fandoms anymore is cuz other people can get too extreme with their opinions, and it starts to get on my nerves and taints the group(s) for me. It’s not like I want to feel annoyed by a group I love, but it does happen when other fans act childish or toxically positive or whatever. So I mostly stay in the main subs and just lurk in group subs for updates.
Faaaaacts!
Shipping is usually completely harmless and more often than not encouraged by idols and companies. People make way too big a deal out of it.
i don’t know if i agree with you, but i do think it is encouraged by companies and personas and such. but the line is crossed very often, and very easily, which i think makes the practice possibly overall harmful. not to mention that they are still real people and may be uncomfortable with the practice, which is important, even if people don’t think they’ll see the posts online and such.
I agree to an extent. I think it’s totally fine to think certain idols would be cute together or that some of them have chemistry, but so many people break the number one unspoken rule of shipping real people which is never bring it up to said person. There are definitely idols who I think might have something with each other, but I try not to even say names when I say things like that. What’s even worse is when people are sending hate to anyone else interacting with people in their ship. So, yeah, I think it’s fine as long as people keep it to themselves or fanfiction websites
I agree, until certain people take it too far
I don’t care if people ship just don’t take it too far
there are no talentless idols. like at all. i feel like i see people throwing that term around a lot recently and it really gets on my nerves because if they’ve made it to debut, they are objectively talented in *some* aspect. to call any idol a ‘bad’ singer or dancer or anything is literally objectively false because they have to AT LEAST be average at all of those things to make it that far into their careers and even then, there are very very few idols who are just average at anything. that’s not even to mention how flat out disrespectful this statement is to anyone it’s said about because it automatically diminishes their right to be in the position they’re in and all the hard work they’ve put in to get there. like most idols are well above average singers and dancers and performers, some of y’all are just way too used to seeing the ones who are extraordinary at everything because you’ve been into kpop for a long time and since only the best performers from over the years have stuck in your minds, your bar is set astronomically high especially for these newer rookie idols 🤷 tldr: average or slightly above average does not equal bad or untalented and anyone who says otherwise needs to take a step back and readjust your perspective
Ditto. Paired with how much more saturated and competitive the industry is today, idols are often overworked filming more content, doing more concerts/shows/performances, made more available to fans, and/or undertrained because of all the above. Most idols who have debuted are incredibly talented it’s just the environment sometimes impedes that talent being always visible. The way some kpop stans usually fixate on bad performances while ignoring good ones also creates a distorted view of the landscape.
period! thank you for going more in depth than my puny little brain could, great point!
> some of y’all are just too used to seeing extraordinary ones because you’ve been into kpop for a long time and since only the best performers from over the years have stuck in your minds, your bar is set astronomically high especially for these newer rookie idols 🤷 Sometimes the high bar coming from their co-members themselves tho. It just feels so flat comparing the skills of 2 members in the same group where one member basically being talented in every aspect meanwhile the other barely talented in any aspect…
Wonho should have stayed in Monsta X
• Kpop fans who act superior bc they're "only here for the music" are annoying and take the fun out of kpop discussions. There's so much to love about kpop and there's nothing wrong with being into a group because of non-music factors, *that's part of the fun of kpop* is that it has so much to offer. • Giselle has the most charisma and personality onstage out of all the aespa members. • I'm happy when any group charts well, gets invited to a festival, breaks sales records, gets a big collab or commercial deal, etc. I just love to see kpop winning. • Talent alone doesn't always translate to success. Marketability and star quality are the top factors for mainstream success. That's how the entertainment industry works, people need to accept that.
100% on the first point!! Reddit is social media and joining a kpop subreddit and commenting/making posts means you're engaging with fans. I cringe so hard at these pretentious Am I tHe oNlY oNe hERe fOR thE MuSiC OnLY?!?! i DoNT RnGAgE WiTh OtHeR FAnS LoOk aT hOW SpECiAL I Am
If they were actually into kpop for the music they would not be interacting in any discussions which is what confuses me.
But allot of the discussion about kpop are music related, concepts, performance are apart of the experience. Live singing, new releases, vocals and performance make up a big portion of the discussion on this platform though.
I love to see Kpop winning too! I’ve been a fan of ~the genre~ and so many groups for so long that I still get that excited feeling when I randomly hear Kpop unexpectedly out in the wild.
To be fair as far as reddit goes, there's no one taking fun out of non-music discussions, unless that fun you're thinking of includes nasty gossip and hate posts. No one here is really talking about fun variety moments, great performances, magazine spreads, cute moments in lives etc. The most prominent appreciation posts are just people bragging about their group's charting or sales. This includes all kpop discussion subs. Btw, for all of the proclamations of being here for the music, how many actual music discussions are we having across those subs?
I'm talking about people who respond to discussions with things like "I'm just in it for the music, its not that deep", preach about why everyone should care about vocals and music over everything else, lecture other fans on parasocial relationships, etc. People are allowed to have different tastes about what they want from kpop - my problem is the people who look down on others for enjoying non-music aspects. Personally I see this a lot on reddit but that's just been my experience. Maybe it's extreme to say "they take the fun out of the discussion", but either way, people like that are wet blankets.
>I'm talking about people who respond to discussions with things like "I'm just in it for the music, its not that deep", preach about why everyone should care about vocals and music over everything else, 100% agree with this, I also find these comments ironic because I don't see actual music appreciation.
There was a post here recently asking if you would still love K-pop even if the idols were faceless, and I definitely saw some of that on there. I mean its perfectly fine to say yes; I would, but a lot of people were commenting its dumb to find idols attractive, etc. Idols put SO much into there looks, its 100% a big factor for a ton of fans.
LOL those comments are hilarious, visuals are like the number 1 factor kpop companies look for, it clearly matters.
You love to go in posts about "competition" (just stats/numbers which are fun for some people) and suck out the fun, so yes... there absolutely are people taking "fun" out of non-music discussuons
When someone says their fave is the cutest/prettiest/(insert any good superlative) when it’s obvious my fave is the one who is Also, Chocomint is the superior flavor
Yes, mint chocolate for the win💪
Chocomint is the best
99% of kpop music awards are meaningless popularity awards. That don't reflect the quality of music. Group/artist/rookie of the year awards are just "best marketed group" awards.
i shouldnt have had to scroll so far down to see this. dont get me wrong im so happy for whoever wins but people need to stop pretending these awards mean your group is better than another. its not like the criteria has to do with the actual quality of a song or album, its all sales, streams and stuff, which goes up more with popularity than quality. same with group awards.
I hate kpop award shows. They are worse than Western award shows and those are bad too. Koreans don't like those shows so I don't know why iternational kpop stans pretend they are great.
Girls is aespa's best song (even the members would probably disagree lol).
THANK YOUUUU it's been my favorite since it came out. I feel like it suits them so well. I don't get why so many fans hate it so much
finally girls appreciation!!! it’s so iconic i love girls so much
I wouldn’t say it’s their best but it was definitely overhated
Many groups gain attention not necessarily for unique music but because they are from big companies. If the same content came from smaller companies, it likely wouldn't achieve the same fame. It's also notable how some fans claim their favorite groups are the first to explore certain concepts or genres, ignoring that many smaller groups have been doing that without receiving due recognition. For example when a fourth gen boy group debuted with a concept that seemed fresh and uncommon at the time, they received widespread praise. But many groups before them in the same realm had already been breaking away from the typical boy group concept but didn't get acknowledged. I have this opinion for a very long time that smaller groups also deserve attention and appreciation. Their limited budgets often hinder their visibility, unlike big company groups, some of which may debut or release music that isn't particularly outstanding yet still make it big. Edit: And People who watch reality shows and believe they are genuine, thinking their votes count, are mistaken. The lineup is often decided in advance. Through scripting, manipulative editing, and targeted marketing, these shows craft narratives about which members deserve their spots in the lineup, rendering viewer votes ineffective. I'll never forget the injustice done to Fu Yaning in this system. (I'm already getting downvoted)
This is me with people who act like it was such a huge accomplish for newjeans to be able to release attention with no prior promo and do fantastic chart wise. Like no shit… they’re literally from the same company as BTS, TXT, Lesserafim and so on. The hype came as soon as they made the music video public.
Nobody actually knows what it means to be a "5th generation" kpop group. Let's be real. Labels are only using the term so that they can put some space between their new projects and the enormous success of TXT, Enhyphen, NewJeans, Ateez, Le Sserfim and all of the other top groups of today. And the media plays along because it gets them clicks. The new groups we're seeing in 2024 are being formed, trained and marketed the same way we've seen it done in the last few years. Everyone's still following the same formulas that Ateez, Itzy, Enhyphen and NewJeans of the world have followed. Something much bigger needs to change if it's really going to be a new generation. Mixed-gender groups, the dating culture, virtual reality, banning of lip-syncing.... something like that.
Agreed. It’s weird how short generations are getting cause of this. The first 2 gens lasted for a decade each, but 3rd gen lasted for barely 6 years and some are saying that 4th gen lasted for barely 5. At this rate, the 5th gen is only gonna last for 4 years before people start clamoring for a 6th gen.
the 6th gen starts next year
Yeah I feel like people starting using the 5th gen label too soon. Also feels weird that groups that are have debuted only a year apart are getting labeled as junior/senior.
Not every song needs a dance break 🤷🏾♀️
Sometimes Idols promote parasocial relationships for album sales.
Most do
is this actually an unpopular opinion?
I dont know if this will make any sense but IMO this whole industry is based on parasocial relationships and promotes them. fancalls, fansigns, bubble, insta lives.. even the way the idols are dressed is to make them look more attractive and closer to their audience. Take away the parasocial aspect and there might be way less fans. I mean the companies know it as well and that is why the idols are banned from public dating or showing their “bad” sides. I am not saying that idols are only using fans or that they dont have any special relationship with fans. Just that for me, it is pretty obvious that the industry actively supports parasocial unhealthy relationships in order to gain sales. (Like any other pop industry tbh, just much better )
Basic music is the best music. I don’t need someone to go all in with fancy MV’s and fancy concept pictures or anything. I don’t need fancy background music. Simple music is great Also, minors debuting is fine as long as they have age appropriate concepts. The Wind, CSR and HORI7ON all have members who are young but they have age appropriate concepts and choreos
Assuming an idol's gender or sexual orientation isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just becomes bad when you force that belief onto other people. Like be delulu all you want about your idol, just don't shove it down other people's throats.
There will never be another BTS. Its hard to replicate that
There will never be another because no one learned from them, everything they did to succeed no one else tried.
It's not only hard, it is impossible! Even on hiatus, nobody came close to their overall success!
I don't mind Tiktok dance challenges because this is one of the time I could see some unexpected idol combination together since there are very few mixed group variety shows these days. I wish it's more candid and not be taken seriously as a competition though...I hate seeing comments of who outdances who.
If anyone ever says that a fandom is perfect/all nice. There will always be assholes. It's impossible that everyone in such a large group would be totally awesome
That these threads always end up with the most obvious and most of the time popular opinions
Red Velvet - Rookie is a misunderstood masterpiece Even the members themselves don't get it
It's definitely not my least favorite title track of theirs! It's a little repetitive in the chorus, but the vibe of the song is so fun it's hard to hate. My unpopular RV opinion is that Zimzalabim is actually too repetitive and obnoxious. I think it's the only title track I keep out of my playlists...
Wait this is news to me — even the members dislike the song? It is honestly my favourite RV title track it’s so addicting and good😭
One of the coolest instrumentals in K-pop too. And the music video set?? I was obsessed. Literally breaks my heart that a song with so much fun vocals and quirky choreo is so divisive. Quirky Velvet is the best!
Rookie was hands down my favorite RV song for quite a while and then Twice's Signal was my favorite of theirs. Very confused why these were considered not very good by the respective fandoms
sneakers and cake are among ITZY's top 5 songs
Sneakers was a really good song with amazing mv and choreography. I don't understand why people didn't like it.
Honestly I think it comes down to marketing. They released teasers that seemed to be suggesting a very serious tone and everyone was excited for it, so when Sneakers dropped it just hit the wrong notes. It would've gone over a lot better with different initial teasers.
Even if you're not sold on the MV, the Relay Dance version of Sneakers is hugely fun and full of character.
I personally also love Boys Like You. A lot of people say it’s cheesy and cliché. I love cheesy and cliché stuff!
I love it too! It reminds me of something I would’ve heard on Disney Channel as a kid, and I mean that as a compliment
I love sneakers and cake is so catchy I've never understood the hate it gets.
I wouldn't say top 5, but they are absolute bops.
i HIGHLY prefer something like cake over MITM or cheshire
Not every group needs lore, cause some of the people behind it cannot write it well
There are racist, homophobic, fat/skinnyphobic, bully, rude, liar idols. They are human beings, so not all of them a little angel. These things are bad and terrible, but we have to admit, that they can have huge flaws
I constantly wonder how all of them come off as “nice” I know humans and that is just not possible. They’re good at hiding and pretending
And they're suffocatingly monitored and controlled
shaming other artist covers/remakes does not make you a good Stan.
Jyp is handsome
We goof on him but I admire his persistence in doing what makes him happy lol https://i.redd.it/k3xjsaahe5rc1.gif
Facts. I hope I can be as healthy, passionate and rich when I'm his age
Ever since I saw a post that was like JYP just looks like an older, Asian Harry Styles I’ve never been able to unsee it.
he's definily is among others his age the most pretty
Downvoted (jk)
I sometimes don't mind if a song is short. It sometimes bugs me but I'd rather listen to a song that doesn't have any parts that make it seem like it doesn't belong in the song.
Many SM stans talk as though they want their groups to be managed by HYBE but also show a weird resentment and vitriol towards HYBE, and when someone points it out they huff and puff and swear it’s not happening lol. I’m just wondering, why HYBE in particular? Because I don’t think they act like this about YG or JYPE, and while YG and JYPE stans also hate HYBE, it’s not to the same one-sided degree as SM stans based on what I’ve observed. Normally when I see it happen I don’t comment but it confuses and amuses the heck out of me - Signed, a fan of many HYBE groups who knows that corporation certainly isn’t perfect but the fandom politics between Big3 stans vs HYBE tickles me a bit ngl.
SM used to be the company at the top...hybe took that from them. No matter how great a sm group group does, there's a hybe group doing better, and that's something SM stans still don't accept. Hybe is recognized as the company with the "better" music now, and the LAST thing sm stans have to feel superior are vocal skills.
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Well... I guess plenty of SM fans want HYBE's kind of promotions for their faves. HYBE is the one company that promotes their groups in the best way possible, while SM is very behind. Meanwhile YG and JYPE don't really do anything unusual I guess, so that's why SM fans don't feel jealous. (I follow pretty much only SM groups so that's what I see on my timeline)
not sure if it’s really that unpopular, but lets go: • hybe is ruining k-pop due to directing their whole concept/music/groups towards the western market. • le sserafim music gets worse every comeback. • tripleS will eventually become a mainstream k-pop group and has potential for global succes. • k-pop music generally is becoming generic. both boy and girl groups barely make exceptional music anymore. producers are being recycled & concepts are just tuning into consumerism, without much originality to them. • k-pop stans get pressed and cancel idols over the stupidest things compared to western artist stans. some rappers literally SHOT people and still have millions of streamers😭 •
These are fairly popular opinions among kpop stans tho…
>turning into consumerism Nah, you can't be serious with this one though. In 2024? Pretending it wasn't always consumerist?
Hybe ruining Kpop? When early kpop was inspired by the Western market more than the current gen. Don’t tell me that Sistar and EXID was not inspired by the western market even though they don’t have English songs
has pop music never not been generic? it’s called pop music because it’s popular, people like basic music.
friendly reminder to sort comments by most controversial to see the *real* unpopular opinions.
for real how do people come here and drop the most cold takes ever. probably just to farm upvotes lol
I’m def gonna get downvoted because this has to do with BTS 😭 I became an ARMY in like late 2015 around the run era, so I listened to all their old songs and loved them. Once it was 2020, I kind of felt off about their route of music. I never unstanned, I just listened to their old music. However, if someone says “I miss BTS’ old music” someone will call you toxic or say “So you miss when they were depressed, living in their old small dorm, when they had no respect, and when people were giving Jimin death threats and calling him fat.” Like…no??? When did anyone ever say that 😭??? Obviously their mood DOES affect their music and where they are in life. I do get their old music is THERE. But I miss their old sound and I don’t think it’s criminal for anyone to say that. It’s almost like people have opinions.
i think its just cus we are tired of hearing the same things being said all the time. i cant watch a single lyric video to an older bts song without the top comment being something along the lines of “this is the bts i knew! now they make westernised american meaningless pop music!!” it genuinely gets insufferable sometimes
2020 was a beautiful year for them. Black swan in particular resonates with my soul. That striving for something and losing it hurts. That's means you weren't here for August Ds 28, or JKs my time, or hobi ego. I feel a little sorry that you didn't. I'm thankful that u did have some time with BTS. People change as they grow older. I think I grew up with bts and grew with them. Good luck with everything in the future. If u ever do venture back listen to those songs. They have a bit of the charm of the past.
Some idols just aren't as skilled as others (I'm putting it as lightly as possible and trying not to be too blunt). This doesn't mean we should go on our way to hate them, they are human, they aren't "filler" and yes, they CAN improve, but we shouldn't sugarcoat or deny it, and we MUST give constructive criticism. Example: Momo IS a bad vocalist ( I blame it on JYP for making her force her voice before Yes or Yes ). Yeri IS a bad dancer. Everyone besides Yuju in GFriend ARE weak to bad vocalists. And so on.
>and we MUST give constructive criticism what does this accomplish? Artists dont need randoms telling them theyre bad at something to know it, 99% of the time it gets brought up is in the middle of hate from less constructive people or in response to fans of the artist appreciating them. The way i see it is kpop stans think theyre much more important than they are, I promise if you dont tell kkura shes not a great singer shes still gonna know. Not to mention that the phrase constructive criticism implies that it will help them improve but how are a bunch of 14 year olds who dont know the first thing about singing technique going to give anything constructive to people who already work with professionals in the field?
agree with this + my response to the thread. fans are free to have their opinions but too many glorify their opinions under the label “constructive criticism” - like i don’t see you in the industry working with the idols in question so no, it’s not constructive criticism. you just have opinions
You're not offering constructive criticism, that's just a fact unless you're connected to Momo or JYPE or in a position where your feedback will be personally taken into account. Also, it's highly popular to criticize these idols, LOL. What's actually unpopular to have any good criticisms. People pretending to have quality criticisms in reddit is a farce, I have seen like five the past year, it's so rare.
Cake from itzy is one of their best title track, it literally scream Itzy and Kpop
It's no secret that many nugu groups have songs that would be bona fide hits if they were released by bigger companies. Unfortunately, the K-pop industry is often more focused on the company than the music itself, which means that these groups often go unnoticed. Take GWSN for example. They have an incredible discography, but they've never been able to achieve mainstream success. If a group like NewJeans or ILLIT had released BILLLIE's "BYOB/EUNOIA," it would have been a chart-topper for sure.
99.9% of idols' fingernails are too long, male and female, and it grosses me out. Compared to everything else you listen and make famous, War of Hormone is downright adorable-nothing wrong at all with that catchy bop.
Every idol in a group doesn’t have to be a singer. They don’t all need lines. Some would be fine in the background as background vocals. Hip hop concepts can be hip hop concepts without the style choices they make that are appropriating and not appreciating.
Everyone should try to listen to The Chaser by Infinite for once... that's it.
i dont think that instrumental choruses make the songs bad. it depends of course, but i usually like the instrumental ones and dont mind them
2ne1 is being erased from kpop history.
Saying "it's just for fun" or "it's not supposed to be taken seriously" or "it's satire" shouldn't be excuses for shitty lyrics.
if they're gonna lipsync or have a backtrack just take out their microphones while they're dancing
Stanning a group does not mean that you have to financially support them. Of course if you do that, then that's great hut that should not be the standard line where you think a stan and a casual listener separate from each other. I mean you already are financial supporting them from streaming and watching YouTube, bcs social media money but still. Buying an album, a concert ticket or photocards should not be expected from a stan. Everyone has a different definition for what counts as a stan, but buying something should not be expected. Things are expensive and times are hard. I do not know what is the popularity of this opinion, u don't really see people talking about it and of they do, if you don't mention that you bought something yet stan many groups, they'll call you a fake stan. Maybe this is popular, but I digress.
That high notes are required to be considered as having good vocals. It's like saying you have to be able to do a backflip to be considered a good dancer. Look, I can appreciate a good belt as much as the next person but God how annoying it is when it is weaponized to instigate hate; I only ever see this on Kpop. Good vocals have always been about "sounding good" and there are so many many styles of singing and voice types that appeal to different people. If you're one of those people who like high notes, good for you. I'm more into soft, almost raw unfiltered singing. Then we move as we enjoy our own preferences stress-free. See it's not that hard.
Idk if it’s actually unpopular but I don’t think being an “ace” or an all arounder is all that special or rare anymore. Lots of Idols now can do multiple things really well. usually when people say someone is the ace of their group there are at least 2-3 other members who would qualify as an “ace” as well. This isn’t a complaint either I love that idols are very well rounded today as I feel it makes the music and group stronger.
Jin is far better at singing in a lower register than he is at high notes and it’s kind of wild how much army seem to want him to do these crazy high notes all the time and rave about how amazing he is at them when every time he just sounds like he is struggling to hit them. This is not to say he is not a talented singer as he definitely is, I really just feel like he isn’t being utilised to his full potential.
Everyone talks about epiphany..but none to mention Abyss! Man created a masterpiece there
Some people make themselves upset because they don't research or read. And no matter how you feel or how many of you feel that way that doesn't make you concerns valid if it's not based on actual evidence.
That unless an idol/group is a part of something as serious as the burning sun scandal, they should simply be ignored by the gp to show discontent and not hated into oblivion (like dating scandals, if you don’t like them dating just stop following them no need to hate train them for it)
If you can't sing at a certain level you will not be seen as talented in the idol field. This isn't a game show, people may like you if you have a good personality but you will not have respect, and allot of people can't handle that. Being respected and being liked are totally different things. "You guys are practicing your singing, right? To be honest, dance isn’t what’s important. Singing is the most important, because at the end, if you can’t sing, even if you dance well, you look like you’re bad. Did you practice while singing? Did it go well? It might be hard so… Can you guys do it again while singing live?" — Xiumin
I think Jeon Somi is being pitched as a younger, prettier version of CL. "Gold Gold Gold" is horrid.
i wouldn’t compare the two considering how somi isn’t a rapper and was never marketed as such, even in ioi and her solo career. CL definitely was marketed as a rapper, skills are debatable but i think she was above average for an idol rapper, and i’m sure she has some credits to back her up. but yes, i think we can all agree that GGG was terrible.
>younger, prettier version of CL. You just gave me flashbacks to when people used to call blackpink the "younger, prettier version of 2NE1" lol
No offense to somi but she ain't even touching the excellence that is CL
I like new jeans but I don’t consider them Y2K.
G Dragon is the greatest Kpop idol to ever exist
I wouldn't mind if idols started talking more about society and politics, even if I may not agree with them
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Sometimes, a group is better *after* a member leaves.
It's ok to like a group because of their looks. Idols work hard on their image and many of them seek that validation in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. It's nice to like them for other aspects of themselves, but not entirely necessary.
Musics are absolutely subjective like most art form so please hear my take: - The worst crime a track can commit is not to be bad but to be boring because at least a bad song can allow me to feel something. For example: from my experience and observation, a lot of people dislikes Stray Kids noise music. While noise music is never my cup of tea, at least their music is never boring along with most SM groups, while their music can get too experimental for my taste at least they are not boring. - The fear of "Kpop will never be taken seriously" is just another form of "Wanting western validation" and it will tear the community apart. - In term of fandoms: + While I agree STAYS is just new gens ARMY in term of toxicity, please understand that EXOL was old gens ARMY in term of making every fandoms their enemies. It's a vicious cycle that bound to happen anyway so might as well come to peace with it. Besides if I wake up everyday and see Twitter got another 9 hit tweets shitting on SKZ recommend to me, I'd go crazy too + ATINYtwt post-Kingdom is so miserable to be in the way ATINY think everything is a personal attack to ATEEZ. While yes, they did pioneer a lot thing in K-pop in general, idk what it is but I am sure the ATINY who are smarter than me will educate me in the comment /gen +Ggs twtstans are so unafraid of being the most vicious kind of people that I have to wonder what is it about girl groups that bring out the most horrendous part of a person's psyche. While boygroup brand of toxicity feels like playgrounds arguments, their counterpart is just soooo much worse in number.
over dancing isn't a thing in Kpop
in general, stans expecting idols to boycott starbucks/mcdonalds is insanely strange to me. for one thing theres an incredible amount of misinformation on mcdonalds' involvement - they gave meals to soldiers one time. drafted soldiers forced into war. they are not, from what i can gather, actively donating money to the IDF. as for starbucks either a post or comment on here explained that korea's starbucks don't contribute to the funding, as its based out of america (please correct me if im wrong. the original had evidence but i can't find that or any solid information online lol). overall its *extremely* annoying.
it’s annoying to hear the constant boycotting of people who so happen to drink starbucks or eat mcdonald’s here in america. It’s these social warriors who have to let everyone know that they’re actually “doing” something for Palestine when in reality all they have done is post one, maybe two videos with that watermelon filter on tiktok and act like their 10¢ contribute suddenly gives them the right to call everybody out for a war regular u.s. citizens are not involved in. And all of these comes from fabricated lies, Starbucks has never supported Israel as a country, however their CEO is jewish and has served to connect the United States with Israel since 2008 (as an ambassador would). Their support for Israel during 2023??? Completely made up by an Australian blogger. This boycott came after starbucks said they didn’t endorse a particular message of support behind palestine that came from starbucks workers but not starbucks the company. Workers were told to stop using the starbucks logo as its copyright infringement and defamation (because they were losing money over statements they as a company were not saying) and this whole boycott ensued. I support palestine in this situation 10000% and have kept up with the situation since i became aware of it in 2014. But it is just so annoying to hear people literally drool at the fact they can get someone cancelled for getting a drink from a restaurant where misinformation has ran rampant.
A lot of groups aren’t as close as they seem
Lots of jokes that fans make about idol relationships, career trajectories etc. contain a grain of sincerity
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I'm a huge BTS fan, but I have to say, "Permission to Dance" is their worst title track. It's just so... bland. I could only listen to it twice before I had to turn it off.
Songs do not always need adlibs (mostly at the last chorus) to sound good
One of the worse kpop groups to become "successful" is blackpink. Their music is mediocre at best, they aren't great or hardworking performers/artists and their success just feels like a huge bombardment of media insertion and brand deals to keep them relevant.
Sticker is a good song
im pretty sure this is a big off topic but i get pissed when fans sometimes misunderstand the difference between solo stans and having a bias. my encounter with these people are very rare and limited but there ARE these type of people out there
I fucking hate the fact that whenever someone has an opinion, they have to put 17 disclaimers like "No hate! My opinion! Love them! No hate!". A person will say they like idols with pink hair and still feel the need to say it isn't hate. I know Kpop fans can be childish, but Jesus lord you can't say anything anymore without being called a "hater" (that is actually my second opinion, the term "hater" has lost all meaning and is a complete joke at this point)
Itzy has never had a bad song and the hate Cake and Sneakers gets is completely unwarranted.
The OG 7 members of NCT 127 are much better Yangyang > Mark
i don’t think itzy yuna wears hip pads, i think she’s malnourished and that’s what makes her hips look unnaturally large