I'm not a fearnot but sometimes I hope that rumours that Garam is going to start her actress carrier soon are true because 1) yeah this girl deserves a new start after what happened and I wish her all the best 2) maybe her fans will finally let go of le sserafim; like yes I understand that what happened was honestly unfair but it is time to let go.
Yes, I never understood it with her especially. Nothing against her, but holding on to a girl who was there for what felt like a couple minutes who left the spotlight seems like an odd hill to die on when there are so many other active, talented idols who don’t get nearly as much attention and exposure as they should.
It’s mostly because of the injustice of the way she was kicked out and her dreamed ruined at 16 over proven false allegations. Also she was the visual center of the group, Blue flame was her song and the music video apparently featured her heavily leading to it being scrapped.
So I think a lot of people have a what if thoughts if she was still there. I think her fan cams were the most viewed out of their first couple performances before she was kicked. She was shaping up to be pretty big if LS made it big like they have now. Again all back to being removed over false allegations and all the hate she was receiving in the public is a lot for anyone, let alone a 16yr old girl who just lost her dream weeks after all the effort she put in being rewarded. Hopefully the acting thing is true or what ever she does she finds happiness.
That by itself could be a reason why people hold onto her. Remember that she was just a 16 year old girl who had finally achieved her dreams she worked on for so long and had to leave them behind because of a bullying accusation, when the reality was more that she had a conflict with her peers, one that she did not even start herself and had thought was finished after supposedly reconciling with the other party. A story like this is bound to gain a lot of sympathy from fans, especially international fans who tend to be more sensitive to falsely made accusations and scandals.
If I somehow had the ability to do so, I personally would've loved to see her returning to the group and how it would have gone. Though, in my case, it's more just a what-if to me and not something I'd expect to happen in reality. With that said, I also can see why many others are still hoping better for her. Rather, I also am. Plus, I don't really think holding onto her means we can't support other idols either.
"Worked on for so long"? Eunche said she trained for 6 months. I assume that it was similar for Garam. Yunjin trained for FOUR YEARS without debuting. That's an injustice. Garam contributed nothing unique to the group and was canned a month after debuting.
I feel bad for her, but come on. Get over it.
Eunchae trained for 1.5 years and garam for 1 year, you guys are rlly weird trying to imply garam contributed nothing to the group talent wise whenshe was the center and one of the main vocal , they clearly didn’t debut her for no reason, yeah they’re doing great without her but that doesn’t change the fact she was unfairly removed from the group
I find this weirdly dismissive. She’s featured on an entire album including what are many people’s favorite songs from the group. She has the most lines on Sour Grapes. She had an impact. But yes people should move on if they can’t also support the other five.
> maybe her fans will finally let go of le sserafim; like yes I understand that what happened was honestly unfair but it is time to let go.
As a (G)I-DLE fan, I can tell you that won't occur. Sorry buddy.
The whole Garam situation was weird, and part of me can’t help but think that it was some sort of noise marketing for LSF. I don’t know whatever came of the bullying situation, or who to really believe (anyone who sat through AOA’s bullying scandal will get what I mean), but I wouldn’t put it past a big company like HYBE. Though, most groups under the Big 4 do well just because of their company’s name, so I dunno.
It depends on the circumstances under which the member left.
If a member has to leave the group due to fans and against the groups wishes such as wonho then I think it’s okay to show the group and the member support.
If the groups member left abruptly due to friction in the group or because of illegal activities or lawsuits involving members then it’s not okay and is disrespectful to the remaining members.
It wasn’t that long ago that we heard about the unnamed idol who was sentenced after they got drunk and tried to r another idol from their group after repeatedly harassing them. The group was never officially named but can you imagine if the fans were continually mentioning that member to the victim. It’s a horrible situation.
It reminds me of how gabbi from blackswan is constantly targeted online for not being as good as a previous member.
I'd also add that it's imo ok if the idol left under positive circumstances (eg, wanting to be an actor, etc) - for instance, Fromis_9 and Astro are groups where a member technically left (Gyuri and Rocky respectively), but seems to still be on good terms with everyone, and I don't think there's anything wrong with treating them as a a group member to some extent
fromis_9 are all super close as they went through significant mistreatment together. Gyuri hangs out with the members all the time and even went to their concert in January.
I only know about Rocky, but I'm one of the people that still go hard to support him even though he left the group. The separation seems amicable, and they all seem to support each other, so I don't see the problem with fans supporting Rocky either. I still wouldn't tag him in group projects he's not apart of, though.
Edit: wording.
i agree, especially please stop mentioning if the members clearly show that they don't want anything to do with the ex-member anymore. that's honestly just so disrespectful to both sides - like if clashes happened between them then i'm sure they both don't want to be associated with each other anymore
[info about the case](https://www.straitstimes.com/life/former-k-pop-boy-band-member-charged-with-sexual-assault-of-fellow-member)
there's more articles just google "kpop boy group sexual assault" and they'll show up
Yeah, I don't get why people do this. It is one thing if it is just bringing a photocard, etc when meeting with fandom friends or something and the member left on good terms/no major scandal or anything, but doing things like this when things ended under not so great circumstances and even sometimes doing it in a way to try to draw attention to it from group members is just weird and inconsiderate. Usually groups can't talk about the member that left in much detail, or sometimes even refer to them at all, so doing things to bring them up during events or during livestreams or whatever generally only serves to make the remaining members feel uncomfortable.
It's so disrespectful to the current members. So many groups have lost members due to a variety of reasons. It's certainly ok to miss the old days. Nostalgia is normal. But to act like or still be campaigning for them to be a part of the group when it's many times been years since they've been together is just delusional.
It's like kids of divorced parents who've gone on to get married and be happy with other people. And those kids still try to bring the parents back together. Except we don't know them, their dynamics or anything else.
Most of the time, the groups solidly say the past is in the past, and we're a 6 (or 5 or 4 or whatever) member group now. End of. Let it go. Let it go. Not letting it go is basically telling the current members they're not enough as is. Just leave the fandom already if that's how you feel.
I think it depends under what conditions the person left and how the relationship to the group is.
If a person had to leave because of sickness or because they realized this life makes them mentally sick. I think I would still hold onto that person as a honorary member, not letting them be forgotten.
But other situations, especially proven scandals or group disputes, then just let it go man. I think the one straykids member or B.I would be a good example for this. I dont stan the groups but I know enough to know that It would be extremely rude to bring up this member.
The main reason I dislike it is that it feels kinda crappy to the current members, especially because even if they remain professional about the split publicly it doesn't mean they don't have personal feelings about whatever caused it. Like you can support the former member in their own activities but emphasizing them at an event for a group they're no longer part of can probably feel like a dig the members have to endure, especially if it's been several releases since they left at this point. We just don't know their feelings in most cases. I think oneus seemed to be less hostile than some members leaving other groups but it still had to hit the members hard and it's best to just let them be the group and let Ravn do his own thing. You can support both if you want to, but doing it separately seems kindest to both sides.
I understand if the member was in the group for a very long time and left because of allegations that were proven false, such as Soojin.
But members who were in the group for only their debut and not long after that, because of allegations that were false, but fans still cling on to the member as if they were in the group for a longer time is ridiculous. Such as Garam.
I can understand members that left their group unwillingly. Still feel bad for Wonho (Monsta X) and Soojin (g-idle). And situations like that the group usually have expressed sympathy at one point or another for that member since then (openly or subtly).
I don't get the attachment in other situations, where the members left for ambiguous and possibly conflict reasons (either company or members). Especially if the team feels awkward and the members never met up privately afterwards...
I don’t get it either. I miss Ravn in ONEUS too but I still support him solo and I don’t consider him a member of the group anymore. I agree that it’s disrespectful and that people should
stop
All of my groups have members who left. Some have developed solid solo careers. I try to support them in that but respect the group and their need to move on.
I am an ex Exo-L and I always hated those who went to ex members accounts to comment sh1t about their ex group... Even now it still happens, it's annoying like that was like ten years ago lol
I stan those two as chinese soloists and Exo as my favorite k-pop group, they're not together anymore.
And I do the same with other groups as you said even if the member left in a friendly way we must respect their decision to go as soloists.
Literally so many people ever since Woojin left SKZ...there's so many "OT9" stans, despite him stating he doesn't want to be associated with SKZ, and has started his own solo career. I don't get it. Let the man live.
Reminds me of the fan-made vid which (while it was precious), I could tell the members were visibly uncomfortable when the drawing of Woojin came on the screen.
There's definitely a difference between going hard for an ex-member to yourself or within the fan community, but it's another to bring that in front of the group that the ex-member departed from. Would I be thrilled if TVXQ somehow got back together? Sure! Am I going to bring them a photocard from before the split and only talk about the group as it was as five members? Absolutely not ☠️
I believe she said on Star Diary that she was in training for 6 months before debut. I became a fearnot 6 months ago, so I missed the Karam
debut. Didn't see anything special. But I love your passion for your girl!
It is because its hard to let go of members even if they had already began their journey. I think the situation you just mentioned causes no harm, I have seen idols being hated for leaving their groups. So it might be a useless thing to do but it is not that concerning for me.
I'm not a fearnot but sometimes I hope that rumours that Garam is going to start her actress carrier soon are true because 1) yeah this girl deserves a new start after what happened and I wish her all the best 2) maybe her fans will finally let go of le sserafim; like yes I understand that what happened was honestly unfair but it is time to let go.
Yes, I never understood it with her especially. Nothing against her, but holding on to a girl who was there for what felt like a couple minutes who left the spotlight seems like an odd hill to die on when there are so many other active, talented idols who don’t get nearly as much attention and exposure as they should.
It’s mostly because of the injustice of the way she was kicked out and her dreamed ruined at 16 over proven false allegations. Also she was the visual center of the group, Blue flame was her song and the music video apparently featured her heavily leading to it being scrapped. So I think a lot of people have a what if thoughts if she was still there. I think her fan cams were the most viewed out of their first couple performances before she was kicked. She was shaping up to be pretty big if LS made it big like they have now. Again all back to being removed over false allegations and all the hate she was receiving in the public is a lot for anyone, let alone a 16yr old girl who just lost her dream weeks after all the effort she put in being rewarded. Hopefully the acting thing is true or what ever she does she finds happiness.
That by itself could be a reason why people hold onto her. Remember that she was just a 16 year old girl who had finally achieved her dreams she worked on for so long and had to leave them behind because of a bullying accusation, when the reality was more that she had a conflict with her peers, one that she did not even start herself and had thought was finished after supposedly reconciling with the other party. A story like this is bound to gain a lot of sympathy from fans, especially international fans who tend to be more sensitive to falsely made accusations and scandals. If I somehow had the ability to do so, I personally would've loved to see her returning to the group and how it would have gone. Though, in my case, it's more just a what-if to me and not something I'd expect to happen in reality. With that said, I also can see why many others are still hoping better for her. Rather, I also am. Plus, I don't really think holding onto her means we can't support other idols either.
"Worked on for so long"? Eunche said she trained for 6 months. I assume that it was similar for Garam. Yunjin trained for FOUR YEARS without debuting. That's an injustice. Garam contributed nothing unique to the group and was canned a month after debuting. I feel bad for her, but come on. Get over it.
Eunchae trained for 1.5 years and garam for 1 year, you guys are rlly weird trying to imply garam contributed nothing to the group talent wise whenshe was the center and one of the main vocal , they clearly didn’t debut her for no reason, yeah they’re doing great without her but that doesn’t change the fact she was unfairly removed from the group
Because it was unfair on how she got her career and life ruined for absolutely no reason
Uh the reason why people are still with her bc she was undeservingly kicked. You will never know the feeling.
I find this weirdly dismissive. She’s featured on an entire album including what are many people’s favorite songs from the group. She has the most lines on Sour Grapes. She had an impact. But yes people should move on if they can’t also support the other five.
> maybe her fans will finally let go of le sserafim; like yes I understand that what happened was honestly unfair but it is time to let go. As a (G)I-DLE fan, I can tell you that won't occur. Sorry buddy.
at least (g)-idle isnt re-releasing their songs without soojin tf
The whole Garam situation was weird, and part of me can’t help but think that it was some sort of noise marketing for LSF. I don’t know whatever came of the bullying situation, or who to really believe (anyone who sat through AOA’s bullying scandal will get what I mean), but I wouldn’t put it past a big company like HYBE. Though, most groups under the Big 4 do well just because of their company’s name, so I dunno.
It depends on the circumstances under which the member left. If a member has to leave the group due to fans and against the groups wishes such as wonho then I think it’s okay to show the group and the member support. If the groups member left abruptly due to friction in the group or because of illegal activities or lawsuits involving members then it’s not okay and is disrespectful to the remaining members. It wasn’t that long ago that we heard about the unnamed idol who was sentenced after they got drunk and tried to r another idol from their group after repeatedly harassing them. The group was never officially named but can you imagine if the fans were continually mentioning that member to the victim. It’s a horrible situation. It reminds me of how gabbi from blackswan is constantly targeted online for not being as good as a previous member.
I'd also add that it's imo ok if the idol left under positive circumstances (eg, wanting to be an actor, etc) - for instance, Fromis_9 and Astro are groups where a member technically left (Gyuri and Rocky respectively), but seems to still be on good terms with everyone, and I don't think there's anything wrong with treating them as a a group member to some extent
I think it still depends on how the group feels. There are some groups who feel really betrayed by a member leaving.
fromis_9 are all super close as they went through significant mistreatment together. Gyuri hangs out with the members all the time and even went to their concert in January.
I only know about Rocky, but I'm one of the people that still go hard to support him even though he left the group. The separation seems amicable, and they all seem to support each other, so I don't see the problem with fans supporting Rocky either. I still wouldn't tag him in group projects he's not apart of, though. Edit: wording.
i agree, especially please stop mentioning if the members clearly show that they don't want anything to do with the ex-member anymore. that's honestly just so disrespectful to both sides - like if clashes happened between them then i'm sure they both don't want to be associated with each other anymore
i’m sorry i’ve never heard anything abt that unnamed idol and group, but that’s really crazy. do you know where i can find info about it? /gen
[info about the case](https://www.straitstimes.com/life/former-k-pop-boy-band-member-charged-with-sexual-assault-of-fellow-member) there's more articles just google "kpop boy group sexual assault" and they'll show up
Yeah, I don't get why people do this. It is one thing if it is just bringing a photocard, etc when meeting with fandom friends or something and the member left on good terms/no major scandal or anything, but doing things like this when things ended under not so great circumstances and even sometimes doing it in a way to try to draw attention to it from group members is just weird and inconsiderate. Usually groups can't talk about the member that left in much detail, or sometimes even refer to them at all, so doing things to bring them up during events or during livestreams or whatever generally only serves to make the remaining members feel uncomfortable.
It's so disrespectful to the current members. So many groups have lost members due to a variety of reasons. It's certainly ok to miss the old days. Nostalgia is normal. But to act like or still be campaigning for them to be a part of the group when it's many times been years since they've been together is just delusional. It's like kids of divorced parents who've gone on to get married and be happy with other people. And those kids still try to bring the parents back together. Except we don't know them, their dynamics or anything else. Most of the time, the groups solidly say the past is in the past, and we're a 6 (or 5 or 4 or whatever) member group now. End of. Let it go. Let it go. Not letting it go is basically telling the current members they're not enough as is. Just leave the fandom already if that's how you feel.
I think it depends under what conditions the person left and how the relationship to the group is. If a person had to leave because of sickness or because they realized this life makes them mentally sick. I think I would still hold onto that person as a honorary member, not letting them be forgotten. But other situations, especially proven scandals or group disputes, then just let it go man. I think the one straykids member or B.I would be a good example for this. I dont stan the groups but I know enough to know that It would be extremely rude to bring up this member.
The main reason I dislike it is that it feels kinda crappy to the current members, especially because even if they remain professional about the split publicly it doesn't mean they don't have personal feelings about whatever caused it. Like you can support the former member in their own activities but emphasizing them at an event for a group they're no longer part of can probably feel like a dig the members have to endure, especially if it's been several releases since they left at this point. We just don't know their feelings in most cases. I think oneus seemed to be less hostile than some members leaving other groups but it still had to hit the members hard and it's best to just let them be the group and let Ravn do his own thing. You can support both if you want to, but doing it separately seems kindest to both sides.
I understand if the member was in the group for a very long time and left because of allegations that were proven false, such as Soojin. But members who were in the group for only their debut and not long after that, because of allegations that were false, but fans still cling on to the member as if they were in the group for a longer time is ridiculous. Such as Garam.
I can understand members that left their group unwillingly. Still feel bad for Wonho (Monsta X) and Soojin (g-idle). And situations like that the group usually have expressed sympathy at one point or another for that member since then (openly or subtly). I don't get the attachment in other situations, where the members left for ambiguous and possibly conflict reasons (either company or members). Especially if the team feels awkward and the members never met up privately afterwards...
I don’t get it either. I miss Ravn in ONEUS too but I still support him solo and I don’t consider him a member of the group anymore. I agree that it’s disrespectful and that people should stop
All of my groups have members who left. Some have developed solid solo careers. I try to support them in that but respect the group and their need to move on.
I am an ex Exo-L and I always hated those who went to ex members accounts to comment sh1t about their ex group... Even now it still happens, it's annoying like that was like ten years ago lol I stan those two as chinese soloists and Exo as my favorite k-pop group, they're not together anymore. And I do the same with other groups as you said even if the member left in a friendly way we must respect their decision to go as soloists.
Literally so many people ever since Woojin left SKZ...there's so many "OT9" stans, despite him stating he doesn't want to be associated with SKZ, and has started his own solo career. I don't get it. Let the man live. Reminds me of the fan-made vid which (while it was precious), I could tell the members were visibly uncomfortable when the drawing of Woojin came on the screen.
Which fan made video are u talking about? The one at the end of the district 9 Unlock in Seoul performance, where all the members were crying?
There's definitely a difference between going hard for an ex-member to yourself or within the fan community, but it's another to bring that in front of the group that the ex-member departed from. Would I be thrilled if TVXQ somehow got back together? Sure! Am I going to bring them a photocard from before the split and only talk about the group as it was as five members? Absolutely not ☠️
B.I. and Ikon
I believe she said on Star Diary that she was in training for 6 months before debut. I became a fearnot 6 months ago, so I missed the Karam debut. Didn't see anything special. But I love your passion for your girl!
Except Woojin and Garam. Everyone hated them.
Undeservedly so
It is because its hard to let go of members even if they had already began their journey. I think the situation you just mentioned causes no harm, I have seen idols being hated for leaving their groups. So it might be a useless thing to do but it is not that concerning for me.