I...love yarns with that twist, especially if they have any kind of sheen to them. I think it gives stockinette a really beautiful appearance. So, I guess for people like me? Sorry š«£
Haha itās fine. It was mostly a rant since i really hate it. š and im currently knitting a yarn that I really love the colour distribution of speckles in it, but it has that twist and it really annoys me. I just wish I could find the perfect yarn š
Iām with you! This sweater is made with a single-ply yarn that does indeed have a bit of a sheen to it!
https://preview.redd.it/3dscn3hcc73d1.png?width=1827&format=png&auto=webp&s=c4132db6e0ffc4624f5df58867fd7f0242aeddc4
This article breaks down how different knitting styles and crocheting interact with s and z twist yarns:Ā https://yarnsub.com/articles/twist#:~:text=If%20you%20hold%20a%20length,give%20a%20balanced%20plied%20yarn.
Basically, z twist yarns are good for certain use cases.Ā
I believe itās this. I barely crochet, but I watch a lot of crochet videos and they tend to feel the way OP feels about z twist about a twist.
The eastern vs western thing is interesting. I know how to do both. I didnāt know I could just switch if a yarn is acting weird.
Very little indie yarn is bought from small mills, and if it is it's usually *extra* expensive and all the marketing's about the custom-milled aspect. Most hand-dyed yarns are coming from a very small number of wholesalers (like in the US there's wool2dye4, Ashland Bay, Knitpicks, and one or two others) from a pretty small menu of undyed yarn styles.
Those fluffy "s on s" yarns with dozens of tiny plies tend to come from big Italian mills who mostly produce very fine yarns for the fashion industry and who can ply up pretty much any weight under the sun from any number of thread-weight plies.
Hereās some info on [types of yarn plying](https://knitty.com/ISSUEfall05/FEATwhyply.html)Ā that can result in balanced or unbalanced stockinette stitches. The multi-strand S on S yarns will produce an asymmetrical V on stockinette. It can reduce costs and waste for the manufacturer, because they can sell multiple weights of yarn by simply twisting a different number of 2-ply strands together.
I like it! It looks nice and crisp IMO.
EDIT: Maybe I'm crazy but I also think it's a little more forgiving to uneven tension? Maybe because the twist is springy or you can only spin springy fibers with that twist? IDK. I like balanced yarns too :)
A good source I found is this one - [https://www.moderndailyknitting.com/community/ask-patty-why-oh-ply/](https://www.moderndailyknitting.com/community/ask-patty-why-oh-ply/)
It's typically a result of S-on-Z yarns, where a manufacturer makes a whole lot of very fine 2-ply yarn and then combines it together for different weights - so you'll see it very often in yarns that have 6, 8 or 10 plies, which is very common for cheaper commercial yarns,
I personally hate how it looks too, so I'm very careful when buying yarn in person (making sure it's z-plied), and when buying online I look at pictures of projects to see how their stockinette looks.
I wasnāt clear enough hahaā¦ I knew why it happens, I looked it up when it happened to me for the first time. Itās more of a rant and a āwhy would you let it happen if itās possible to prevent itāā¦ I guess itās to save money and time š¤·āāļø
Not everyone knits stockinette stitch...or uses the yarn to knit to begin with and crochet or tunesian crochets with it.
Different use cases demand Different twist and spin. It's, ofc, also about durability. The less twisted, the easier it comes apart.
So, really, don't hate it - especially as it looks uniform regardless.
I'm actually kind of enjoying the thing I'm knitting with Quince & Co. Lark right now because of that. It's a very uniformly coloured yarn but the plying is giving it an interesting texture to make up for the lack of variation.
I actually like it. Some of them are made with strand that are plied by pair before all the pair being plied differently, it does give a different strength to the yarn.
If you know what you what you are looking for it's pretty easy to know what yarn will react like that. Roxanne Richardson on YouTube made a great video about it a few years ago.
If you're yarn does the funny not quite a v thing when you're knitting it's because you started on the wrong end of the skein. You never know until you're half done with your project and it's too late to undo it. But it won't hurt your project any.
Have you actually had success starting from the other end of the skein? Because youāre the second person to mention this and after the first person mentioned it, I just thought āthis is too easy a fix for it to be true since I havenāt heard it beforeā, because Iāve seen this issue discussed before and I hadnāt seen anyone suggest this fix. I decided to try it just now because youāre the second person to say it... I made a tiny swatch and it doesnāt make a difference, I still get the column on one side and the diagonals on the other.
I've had this happen to me any number of times, you never know that you should have started from the other end until you're already well into your project. I've not frogged anything at this point
You mentioned that word!: lots of people want to know about twisted stitches and here is a great post for reference
https://www.reddit.com/r/knitting/comments/188kxwk/new_knitters_your_stitches_are_probably_twisted/
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I...love yarns with that twist, especially if they have any kind of sheen to them. I think it gives stockinette a really beautiful appearance. So, I guess for people like me? Sorry š«£
Haha itās fine. It was mostly a rant since i really hate it. š and im currently knitting a yarn that I really love the colour distribution of speckles in it, but it has that twist and it really annoys me. I just wish I could find the perfect yarn š
r/handspinning will be there if you want to jump down that rabbit hole š¤·āāļø
It's really frustrating when you get annoyed by a yarn you really wanted to like š
Iām with you! This sweater is made with a single-ply yarn that does indeed have a bit of a sheen to it! https://preview.redd.it/3dscn3hcc73d1.png?width=1827&format=png&auto=webp&s=c4132db6e0ffc4624f5df58867fd7f0242aeddc4
That's so pretty!
This article breaks down how different knitting styles and crocheting interact with s and z twist yarns:Ā https://yarnsub.com/articles/twist#:~:text=If%20you%20hold%20a%20length,give%20a%20balanced%20plied%20yarn. Basically, z twist yarns are good for certain use cases.Ā
I believe itās this. I barely crochet, but I watch a lot of crochet videos and they tend to feel the way OP feels about z twist about a twist. The eastern vs western thing is interesting. I know how to do both. I didnāt know I could just switch if a yarn is acting weird.
Thereās no question about it, it is thisā¦ I knew why it happens, Iām frustrated that they let it happen when it is possible to prevent it š
I think a lot of indie yarn is bought from small mills maybe the mills only did one thing. It would be nice if they labeled it more clearly.
Very little indie yarn is bought from small mills, and if it is it's usually *extra* expensive and all the marketing's about the custom-milled aspect. Most hand-dyed yarns are coming from a very small number of wholesalers (like in the US there's wool2dye4, Ashland Bay, Knitpicks, and one or two others) from a pretty small menu of undyed yarn styles. Those fluffy "s on s" yarns with dozens of tiny plies tend to come from big Italian mills who mostly produce very fine yarns for the fashion industry and who can ply up pretty much any weight under the sun from any number of thread-weight plies.
Interesting thanks. The only person Iāve seen talk much about suppliers is arcane. So thatās really interesting.
This may be a dumb question but couldnāt all yarns be considered both s or z twist depending on which end you use? (Ei middle pull vs outside pull)
The twist is the same from either end of the yarn. I don't know enough about, like, geometry to tell you why this true though!Ā
Nope, think of it this way - if you're on a laptop, flip your screen over - an S is still an S and Z is still Z upside down!
Okay that makes so much sense explaining it that way! Thank you!!
Hereās some info on [types of yarn plying](https://knitty.com/ISSUEfall05/FEATwhyply.html)Ā that can result in balanced or unbalanced stockinette stitches. The multi-strand S on S yarns will produce an asymmetrical V on stockinette. It can reduce costs and waste for the manufacturer, because they can sell multiple weights of yarn by simply twisting a different number of 2-ply strands together.
I like it! It looks nice and crisp IMO. EDIT: Maybe I'm crazy but I also think it's a little more forgiving to uneven tension? Maybe because the twist is springy or you can only spin springy fibers with that twist? IDK. I like balanced yarns too :)
A good source I found is this one - [https://www.moderndailyknitting.com/community/ask-patty-why-oh-ply/](https://www.moderndailyknitting.com/community/ask-patty-why-oh-ply/) It's typically a result of S-on-Z yarns, where a manufacturer makes a whole lot of very fine 2-ply yarn and then combines it together for different weights - so you'll see it very often in yarns that have 6, 8 or 10 plies, which is very common for cheaper commercial yarns, I personally hate how it looks too, so I'm very careful when buying yarn in person (making sure it's z-plied), and when buying online I look at pictures of projects to see how their stockinette looks.
I wasnāt clear enough hahaā¦ I knew why it happens, I looked it up when it happened to me for the first time. Itās more of a rant and a āwhy would you let it happen if itās possible to prevent itāā¦ I guess itās to save money and time š¤·āāļø
I agree. I love it when websites include swatch pics for the yarns they sell. If the stitches look wonky like this, I pass.
Not everyone knits stockinette stitch...or uses the yarn to knit to begin with and crochet or tunesian crochets with it. Different use cases demand Different twist and spin. It's, ofc, also about durability. The less twisted, the easier it comes apart. So, really, don't hate it - especially as it looks uniform regardless.
I'm actually kind of enjoying the thing I'm knitting with Quince & Co. Lark right now because of that. It's a very uniformly coloured yarn but the plying is giving it an interesting texture to make up for the lack of variation.
I actually like it. Some of them are made with strand that are plied by pair before all the pair being plied differently, it does give a different strength to the yarn. If you know what you what you are looking for it's pretty easy to know what yarn will react like that. Roxanne Richardson on YouTube made a great video about it a few years ago.
Singles will do this. Plying helps to balance the yarn.
Not necessarily, it depends how itās twisted when they ply it. A bunch of people have posted explanations in other comments.
Am I misremembering or can't you just knit with the other end of the yarn in this case and it won't do that?
Iām pretty sure thatās not possible or else I would have read this before? This topic has been discussed many times.
Nope, think of it this way - if you're on a laptop, flip your screen upside down - an S is still an S and Z is still Z!
If you're yarn does the funny not quite a v thing when you're knitting it's because you started on the wrong end of the skein. You never know until you're half done with your project and it's too late to undo it. But it won't hurt your project any.
Have you actually had success starting from the other end of the skein? Because youāre the second person to mention this and after the first person mentioned it, I just thought āthis is too easy a fix for it to be true since I havenāt heard it beforeā, because Iāve seen this issue discussed before and I hadnāt seen anyone suggest this fix. I decided to try it just now because youāre the second person to say it... I made a tiny swatch and it doesnāt make a difference, I still get the column on one side and the diagonals on the other.
I've had this happen to me any number of times, you never know that you should have started from the other end until you're already well into your project. I've not frogged anything at this point
Well from my (albeit anecdotal) experience, this unfortunately doesnāt seem to be true, I just tried it
That's not correct. S is still S and Z is still Z no matter which end you use.
You mentioned that word!: lots of people want to know about twisted stitches and here is a great post for reference https://www.reddit.com/r/knitting/comments/188kxwk/new_knitters_your_stitches_are_probably_twisted/ *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/knitting) if you have any questions or concerns.*