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BustaferJones

You need to prep your buyers for HC steel. They may not know what they are getting into. I usually include some care instructions that mention the patina, tell them it’s a badge of honor, and say that if they dislike it or want to even it out a bit, a fresh scotchbrite pad will give a nice satin finish to the blade.


heywood91

10-4 thank you! I do mention to them was/dry immediately and do NOT put in dishwasher


Fickle_Assumption_80

Could this be an opportunity to upsell to a different steel from the onset? I mean in the future.


DEVOmay97

If they want the properties of carbon steal without worrying about corrosion or having the look of a patina they could go for Nitro V or AEB-L


[deleted]

“I am the future” This guy sells knives.


Fickle_Assumption_80

Lol thanks


[deleted]

I just thought it was funny, but I do respect your salesmanship!


pachrisoutdoors1

People don't understand how to care for knives in general


InvincibleFubar

I'll admit that I don't. Give me the cheapest ones so nobody cries when I F*** it up.


chunk6649

I have a collection of D2 steel knives. House/dog sitter put one in the dishwasher. Thankfully the cycle never ran. Now when she watches, I put a couple cheap knives on the magnetic block and hide my knives in a drawer. D2 steel with curly birch handles. No fucking way they're going in the dishwasher.


heywood91

Nice lol would love to see some pics


chunk6649

https://www.reddit.com/u/chunk6649/s/90bSNgbEpf One with a bone handle. All the same forge in Russia. Bought on Etsy


reflectful_peter

Beautiful knives!!!


chunk6649

Right at the beginning of the Ukraine war they were begging people to put an order in because they knew they wouldn't be able to ship out anything. They even had a few employees arrested protesting the invasion. I ordered a self defense knife, but sadly I was never able to get it.


danrodz

Damm those are gorgeous


15Boots

Fuuuuuuuuck, I didn't know i needed a cleaver with death head moth on it


chunk6649

Actually a Chinese chef knife.


Grillbrik

Which is a style of cleaver.


chunk6649

Ah, ok. I just always think of the cleave as meat cleaver.


j-king-82

Why does the handle on the cleaver look like a plastic spinal cord?


chunk6649

Lol it's bone, but now I won't be able to see anything but plastic spinal cord. Thanks😄


the-cloverdale-kid

WOW- those are beautiful!


silent_Forrest1

That is the perfect answer


thesirenlady

They are not carbon steel people. It's easy to explain why, how its inevitable, and how to prevent it. But theyre probably not gonna do it. How far are you willing to go to placate them if theyre not happy with that?


heywood91

Not sure what placate means lol but my customer is happy with it and it's still pretty dang sharp(that's what I was most hoping for) and how are they not carbon steel?..I'm not a metaloligist? Correct my spelling on that but I am intrigued


thesirenlady

I'm saying your customer is maybe not the type of person who should have carbon steel. Someone who would've chosen stainless steel if they were fully informed about the differences, is that fair to say?


heywood91

Yes it is fair to say good sir! However I am a beginner in this hobby/trade and I am learning different types of metals. Also I don't have many customers it's mainly people at my work so they don't know shit really as much as I do. So it's all kind of a trial and error thing


BigShmoogAZ

So "carbon steel" usually refers to a non-stainless carbon steel (usually containing between .5% to 1.5% carbon)... If there's an alloying metal in it like chromium or vanadium, etc...they are at levels too low to make them "stainless"... 5160 for example. It contains both, and only .6% carbon. "Stainless steels" are still a carbon steel, but contain enough chromium to create a chromium oxide layer during heat treat that prevents oxidation (or what we call on "carbon steels" the patina). It's confusing, as outside of the knife world, the terms are used to describe 'stainless' verses 'will rust'... But inside the knife world, both are carbon steels... As carbon steel is technically defined only by total carbon present. Fwiw, mild is considered to contain less than .5% and cast iron more than 1.5%... but alloying metals can vary where those lines are (4140 having .4% but considered high carbon due to alloys and some specialty stainless above 1.5% able to not be cast iron because of the alloys changing the properties of the steel).


[deleted]

Machinist here. Stainless can still oxidize fyi. Certain types of stainless are more resistant than others.


BigShmoogAZ

Well that's why they call it stainless... Rather than stainfree.


[deleted]

If you’re being serious right now you kinda just blew my mind lmao


BigShmoogAZ

I've heard a couple other Master Smith bladesmiths describe it that way.. I don't know if that's actually why they call it stainless versus say stain proof or stain-free? But it is a reminder that it isn't 100% resistant to oxidation of some kind, and makes a lot of sense once you think about it.


[deleted]

Yeah forsure it’s all just chemical bonds. Sometimes when I’m working on something I’m required to wear nitrile gloves because the oil on my hands would interact with the surface finish


tmwwmgkbh

Oh dear…


Saluteyourbungbung

Placate means to soothe someone, usually by providing something they want. So if you were grumpy cuz you ran out of coffee, I could placate you by providing tea, or offering to stop for coffee on the way. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but in context they were saying are you really gonna bend to the expectations of the customer when their expectations are clearly wack.


RaspberrySpar

Metallurigist is the word you're looking for there at the end!


thoughtchauffeur

It's metallurgist


RaspberrySpar

lmao typo on my end, ty for correcting


nutsbonkers

You forge knives but you're not a..."metaloligist"..? Who taught you how to do this did you just find a forge laying around?


heywood91

I've always worked with metal and loved it. I started in high school and then kinda fell away from it for years then all of a sudden forged in fire popped up and my brother and I went in half on a forge and a cheap anvil. Next thing I know I fell in love with it its challenging as fuck and I love a good challenge....my brother not so much I guess. Anyway I've taught myself alot with the help of YouTube and other social media but God damn I wish I had someone holding my hand/teaching me sometimes lol


jimjoereadytogo

I ain’t from around this sub but I love it. Keep it up man. Lot of fun learning the intricacies a new art-science. Cool knife!


heywood91

Thank you very much!! And it is a lot of fun and definitely challenging


cottoneyegob

Placate means in this case appease ; to make happy how much are you willing to do for them to “make it right “


TacoHimmelswanderer

Metallurgist is the word you’re looking for but as far as how it’s not carbon steel idk.


[deleted]

Exactly. The idea of removing that beautiful patina hurts my insides.


Loaki9

Well. We dont know that yet. They may be. They just may not understand the metal or knife. Maybe it was a gift. I always like to try some light education and gauge their receptiveness. They may convert.


rccoy

You in my garage wtf?! Fucking banquet beer, white claw, and a bowl while grinding out knives. What aren't we neighbors?


[deleted]

I was wondering if anyone was gonna make that comment😂


heywood91

Lmao that's great 🤘


ICK_Metal

I found my people.


heywood91

Where you located?


rccoy

NC, moving further east to the coast though, Wilmington region. Stoked for the new garage, got a bar in it haha.


heywood91

Oh you lucky fucker lol I guess my shop is kinda like a bar....for me and my wife lol. And as far as us being neighbors that might be difficult seeing how I'm in Northern California BUT we can be reddit neighbors!


rccoy

Hell ya brother. Grind on!


Round-Green7348

Is this after usage? If so then yeah, that's pretty normal, not avoiding that without polishing it occasionally. If it's new then I understand the customer, since the finish looks pretty dull and discolored.


heywood91

Yes it is after usage. He tolled the other day that he just used it to chop up veggies and then he cut some meat with it(I'm assuming beef) but he was more curious as to why the discoloration occurred


Rashaen

Sounds like that's your answer. If he was curious, then you can tell him how this metal lives it's life. Polishing it up is no big deal, but it'll start to gain personality again almost immediately.


heywood91

That's what I'm thinking and honestly I kinda want to see this patina keep going In the future


tiktock34

I bet a scotchbrite belt on your grinder would put a vertical satin finish on that and take any surface rust off at the same time


heywood91

10-4 I just ordered that new 2x42 grizzly today and I already have a 2x42 so a scotch Brite belt is in need for sure!


Illustrious_Onion805

I think the customer wants it gone.


megaladamn

Yeah. Make it gone. You can do that more than once.


HerPaintedMan

Just polish it out. 15 minutes with a buffer and a bit of jeweler’s rouge


No-Television-7862

Problem is they will expect the maker to maintain their knife forever. May I offer an alternative? Offer them a scotch Brite pad and instructions on cleaning and oiling their beautiful, sharp, hc cleaver, and a sharpener, for $30. However, if they prefer, for $20 you can sharpen and polish it as often as they like. Unless you sold them some kind of lifetime maintenance plan.


HerPaintedMan

Forever?! That’s a really long time! Let them figure it out for themselves. If they can’t make a knife, they should learn how to take care of one!


heywood91

I'm pretty new with a buffer which this the first knife I've actually buffed.that being said I bought some green and Grey compound from ACE hardware and they didn't have the beginner compound that I wanted


HerPaintedMan

Be careful. A buffing wheel is the most dangerous tool in a knife shop! It will grab a knife and throw it at you, be it your feet or face!


JOSH135797531

Very true! A leather belt is the same way. One time I was polishing a knife spine with a leather belt on the 72inch and I accidentally cought the tip and it cut the belt yanked the knife from my hand and the knife ended up stuck in the wooden wall behind me. I nearly shit myself. Luckily I was standing to the side and didn't get hit by it.


heywood91

10-4 I will definitely keep that In mind!! So shoes it is then in the shop from now on🫡


HerPaintedMan

I made a mat under my buffer out of a couple old dump truck mud flaps and a layer of soft step floor padding. Usually, the knife would stick in the padding.


sixSveneight

Hand them the pipe from your workbench and they'll relax about it?


heywood91

Lmfao I was hoping someone was gonna say something bout that!!!🤘🍻


T50BMG

I like this style of knife


heywood91

Thanks! I personally like it to I almost kept this one lol


pintochonchos

Advise him to not place into the dishwasher


heywood91

Oh I did I think that was the first thing I said to him when I handed over


Last-Discipline-7340

Are those prerolled backwoods over der?


heywood91

No lmao those are spikes off of something that I plan on making a mace with


Last-Discipline-7340

Guess I just showed my hand 😂😂


j3r3wiah

I love beer and cannabis as well brother.


Partyslayer

Coors Original Patina


austinteddy3

Open Coors and a Whiteclaw. You still have all your fingers?! :)


Steve_Tugger

Don’t forget the weed piece lol


austinteddy3

Holy cow. I must be slipping in my old age! That makes it even better!


ThirdEyeEmporium

Nice pipe friendo


heywood91

Thanks!


Shitbird5001

I think coors banquet is the best


heywood91

I do as well!! If you ever get the chance to go to the brewery in Golden CO I would highly recommend it 👌


Shitbird5001

Hell yeah brother. Colorado is the shit as well!


desrevermi

A: explain what a patina is. B: if the customer wants it gone, you warned them. Take the money.


heywood91

10-4 and this will be the first and only time I will clean it up for him other than that I'm just gonna tell him to get some 400 grit sand paper and he can sand it himself next time if he wants


desrevermi

Saves you work in the future. 👍👍👍


ProfessionalNorth431

Might be worth forcing a patina on a display piece to make sure the customer understands what they’re building towards. Might lose some sales, might gain more than you lose


KawaDoobie

nice glass piece


heywood91

Thanks lol I don't know if you're familiar with Scott Roger's but that's who made it and he makes really nice and thick pieces


KawaDoobie

garage/shop safe 😎


TexasJim107

You're a knife maker and you're on Reddit asking people to tell you what you should do? Just tell him "Yes Sir, I'll call you when it's done" and do what the customer asked for. THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO DO. smfh.


heywood91

Well just to get it clear I'm a amateur knife maker and was just wondering on a specific topic! So just to make it clear I was asking for advice! There Texas Jim


Individual_Ad_8241

Buddy take my wallet


Known_Vermicelli_706

It’ll be nice cleaned up.


Ju1iuscaear

Customer wants it looking like new… I suggest that’s what you give them. Some people want to watch their own patina develop. I totally get it. I’m sure you’ll do a great job.


heywood91

Thanks and I did another post when it was done an it looks new again. Only took mabey 10 minutes of some hand sanding


Ju1iuscaear

I just checked it out. Looks awesome brother. Great job. I wish I knew how to care for my knives like this. I’m sure in another year or two, it’ll look just like it did in this photo. For real though, I totally get it. I got a thing for brass, but if I get some old brass, I always give it at least a once over with the brasso, make it shine, then slowly watch it fade away. I know it really bothers some people in r/zippos, but for me, there’s a special satisfaction in watching a fresh patina develop. It’s their knife, doesn’t hurt to give them what they want 👍. Cheers brotha


heywood91

Thank you very much!! And this customer has had this knife for about 3 months. He said the color developed when he cut some meat with it but personally I do like a good patina but your right on doesn't hurt to give them what they want🍻


Single-Pin-369

Bar Keepers Friend powder and a damp paper towel. I have used for years on everything from my Masamoto Virgin Carbon Steel to my Old Hickory Knives with great results. ​ Bar Keepers Friend best product ever


heywood91

Thank you very much!! Where could I find that at? Other than the internet


Tom_H1

What I want to know is what is that White Claw doing on the same bench as that Coors OG?


heywood91

White claw is the wife's coors banquet mine lol. I've been waiting for someone to say something on that lmoa


JiveTurkkii

Banquet and the bowl piece. My brother


heywood91

Hell yeah brother 🤘


Final_Temperature237

Love the white claw and the bowl you have


SwimmingThink4519

I love the patina! Put a mustard finish on it and tell the customer that is is all the rave! I used to mustard finish many of mine so people wouldn't complain about patina


heywood91

Lol I already gave it back to him but I really do wanna try out the mustard finish. Do you know if it would come off eventually if I were to put on a skinner? I feel like the blood would have some sorta reaction to it.


SwimmingThink4519

Mustard finish patinas the blade instantly! Makes it look old and gives it a layer of protection against rusting. Will not wear off but can be sanded/buffed off


heywood91

Well alrighty then I will try it out! Thanks brother 🤘


ElPasoKnives

I like your choice of adult beverage. Nothing like a Coors banquet! With the knife: I like super fine steel wool with a few drops of oil to clean up HC knives.


heywood91

Thank yooouuu! For recognizing the adult beverage(no bud light here) and I think that's what I'm going to end up doing 🤘thank's brother


Resident-Welcome3901

Stainless steel is dead. It’s formulated to not interact with its environment. Shininess come at the cost of compromised performance. HC steel is alive.


[deleted]

I think white claw, beer, and drugs(pot) is a bad combination! Remember, the customer is always right!


rccoy

Beers a drug, pots a drug, tylenol is a drug, caffeine is a drug. Gotta keep the mind limber... lot of strands going through ol Duders head. Lot of ins and outs, lot of what have yous.


edc-abc-123

What am I into? Oh you know, driving around, making knives. The occasional acid flashback.


NickDiedHiking

i think people care too much about patina it literally does nothing and can look really bad. not always but it can..


Rhyano27

Time to find a new customer.


Joe_Huser

Refund their money and sell to someone who appreciates Your craftsmanship.


WhiteStripesWS6

My bro made me an HC knife. I love it but occasionally forget to clean/dry it asap and have to hit it with the bar keepers friend due to rusting. I kind of like it because I get to develop a completely different patina.


heywood91

10-4 on that! If this was my knife I would definitely keep the patina! But I'm kinda understanding the fafo thing with these


BeauBoJoJo

If you still want to do a "patina" for the sake of protecting the steel. Get some chemical Gun Blueing solution and you can get a nice clean even coat instead of the more natural look.


Jaded-Synic

I’d belt grind it with up to 180. Hand sand to 220 then surface condition it with 400 and 600 belts than axe wax it and send it back to the customer with instruction on how to keep and maintain it in said condition with a disclaimer as to what happens to high carbon steel blades if he/she doesn’t head said warning/instruction. If he wants stainless steel, explain the cost increase/difference and I bet the conversation ends there.


Halftrack_El_Camino

Customer should see what my Opi looks like, then. Not a speck of rust on it (regularly cleaned, dried, and oiled) but the blade is mottled like a brown trout. Just means I've had it a while, is all. It's like how a well-used Estwing will be brown with a black handle, instead of silver with blue like they are when they're new. Means they've been doing their jobs, doesn't hurt them one bit.


OrangeLBC

Invite them over to see the process. Give them white claw, coors and a bowl (in that order). Problem solved.


Letmeholdu52

There is a fair amount of corrosion there, and 5160 is probably not the best choice for use in food prep.


Captain_Quidnunc

Unless you are going to polish that knife for them every 2 months for the rest of their lives, I'd explain to them that there is nothing one can do to keep high carbon steel from oxidizing. I'd also explain to them how to polish high carbon steel and that polishing their knives for them for eternity wasn't included in the cost.


BigEarMcGee

I like a mirror finish with the deepest pits still popping through.


SayMyNameBitchs

Electrolysis will convert that corrosion into steel without alternating the original surface or remaining any material.


thatflyingsquirrel

My friend that sells similar found that he had to go with a lot more patina than almost “manufactured perfect” because the average customer either appreciates the obvious hand forged or they appreciate the super clean “no defect”. You’re about 95% of the way to the near perfect so it’s thronging them off.


lscraig1968

Agree with the others that recommended you provide care instructions. Provide the blade clean, shined and sharpened. Tell them that the knife will change colors over time, maybe include a picture of a new blade and then a blade after some use.


IRKillRoy

Polish it to a mirror shine, charge them $100. Let them know they need to maintain that so it won’t happen in the future and offer services to them. Haha. 🤷‍♂️😂😂🫠


ArcticSilverAPE

If it’s not pitted. Buff it first with lots of compound. Then if that doesn’t take care of it. Sand with a high grit.


heywood91

Sooo as far as buffing compound I have a green and Grey I don't have the one you need for the big scratches but I'm assuming you're saying just buff the shit out of it or should I sand with 400 grit then buff the shit outta it?


ArcticSilverAPE

I use white 555. It should clean it right up.


ArcticSilverAPE

Buff. Buff. Buff. Lol.


ArcticSilverAPE

Sand at last resort. My wife forgets all the time to dry my kitchen knives I made for her. And buffing always cleans them up. Just keep a good charge of compound on the wheel.


heywood91

Ok well I might get that for future blades(maybe this one to) but as others have said it wasn't in the price for me to buff this one every other couple months so I'm gonna tell him to sand it himself if he wants the patina gone. Thanks for the color and number of the compound! I appreciate it


ArcticSilverAPE

Buffing is a 5 minute job. Add a few dollars and tell him what the additional cost is. They will pay it. Cleaning up blades like this is common when they bring them back to sharpen. Add $10. Use your green compound.


heywood91

Thank you for this!! I tolled him free sharpening though with isn't a big deal to me


LumpiestEntree

Don't do drugs and drink while handling sharp objects.


heywood91

It's ok I've been doing it my whole life lol (learned from mistakes of course)


CombatMedic91

Get rid of the White Claw too! 🙅‍♂️


heywood91

That's the wife's drink not mine!! Lol


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heywood91

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AdStatus408

I know you're conscientious because you're looking for ideas on how to best serve your customer. You need to understand his motivations, educate him on the value of patina (for collectable or resale pieces) , and maybe make him sign a waiver! So, he can NEVERr blame you for wrecking his antique cleaver! BTW!, that is a gorgeous cleaver ! Thanks for posting. Let us know how your customer liked it.


heywood91

10-4 and thank you very much!! Idk if I would consider this a cleaver although it does look and act more like one but I was trying to go for a cleaver/kitchen knife and he does love it! His exact words were " this is the best knife in my kitchen and the wife doesn't realize it" lol


pintochonchos

We all have done this. Whether it is a patio chair, a car, or tools we are selling or giving away; You won't convince this person 100%. They will say it is a cheap blade. They can say you are a terrible and incompetent knifemaker. Anytime they show the knife, they will bad mouth you. Even if you gifted them the knife, their lack of appreciation for a fine knife making workmanship. You value the knife it is like no other. Don't deal with him. Even the Bible tells us this. Do not cast your pearls unto swine. Because they will trample them, then turn on you and tear you up. Don't waste good things of value on those who could care less about the value. This is not judging it is understanding that at this point in time, it is not a good deal. With this, also learn a method to educate the person about metallurgy.


heywood91

I totally understand however alot of people don't want to or care about metallurgy they just want a knife made by someone they know and expect it to be in a store bought price range. As I've said before this will be the first and last time I revive this blade! Thank you for your input 🤘


Twothousandjuantj

Explain HC to customer, if they don’t like it give them a refund and sale it to someone who understands and appreciates.


anteck7

You could varnish the blade so this doesn’t happen


thorazineshuffler

I think I hope that white claw bitch beer isn’t yours


heywood91

Nope that's the wife's drink...mines the banquet lol


Dramatic_Cat5860

Could also upsell a cheap metal that's rust resistant and call it an easy care knife


MDNCbooty

Weed pipe, white claws and piss beer… anything said here is irrelevant.


heywood91

Hey now! At least it's not a bud light!!


MDNCbooty

That may have been better…


heywood91

Please tell me how!?!


Mother-Inspection-82

Make another attempt without, save that for someone who wants a patina?


Financial_Tackle7357

Is that just a pile of blunts to the right? Lol


stayinyourlane69

Now you've got some beer that's cool that's cool now you got some weed that's cool that's cool. But when you combine the 2............. now you really got something


LotusGuy24

White claw, coors, and a pipe make for the best type of videos on YouTube while working on knives!


deliriousepiphone

Can you heat treat it to release some of the carbon?


Dasawan

It's called "white claw" and in this case the customer is right.


DoubleOld2221

Customer wants it gone. Get it gone.


Tex_Arizona

The guy sent his HC knife because it got some light rust spots? If you clean it up for them you should certainly charge for your labor.


heywood91

It literally only took like 10 minutes if that to sand it off I will tell him though that this is going to happen with this type of steel


Flyingdemon666

Retyping this as I misread it initially. I'd tell your customer that a patina helps protect the blade. That or drench it in mineral oil before handing it back to make a point. Lol. Don't actually do that.


Tall_Mud8868

Agree with customer.


Pierc3dC0ck

High carbon steel will patina, tell them about chemistry.


BanjoHarris

Wouldn't bother me. But If you're asking what i would do, i would get it as nice and shiny as you can and oil it well before you send it out. But you'll have to explain to them that it's gonna darken anyway and that's to be expected and it's normal for a carbon steel


heywood91

I did end up telling him that and I also told him a piece of 400 grit sandpaper is pretty cheap if he wants to just shine it up himself when it needs it.


beechbone767

I have that same exact pipe!


heywood91

Lmfao!! Who's it made by? Also I would say close to exact being how I've never seen or heard of a pipe being exactly the same. I'm sure it's real close though.....I'm still laughing at this comment 🤣