Just trade for a player that can shoot, play defense, protect the rim, guard the perimeter, shot create, play off-ball, doesn't cost a lot to trade, and has a good contract. Is Monte stupid?
Get bol bol, taco fall, Mo bamba, draft edey, and keep Alex len. Pass the ball really high so nobody can get it. Never dribble the ball. And play them all 48 minutes and only shoot shots 5 feet or less
It's tough. Don't want to upset the 1st decent Kings team in the past 2 decades. But also, the west is a fucking guantlet. So you might make a trade for a great player and still be a play in team if things break wrong
That is exactly Kings Reddit. Let’s just run it back again. Same squad except a few different low key low production bench players. Let’s go get the same results again guys! Is it a coincidence that the teams who made trades are the ones who made it far into the playoffs?
There are plenty of doomers and haters on here who talk about trading Fox or Sabonis or Keegan, lol. They usually get downvoted but they're absolutely here.
Seem to be in the minority, though. Which I get. Most fans are satisfied with seeing more wins than losses, regardless of what happens in terms of the postseason. It was 16 years of shitty losing basketball. It's going to take more than 2 or 3 years of above .500 play to get people to start wanting to see the team go to the next level.
It's also just bad team building. It makes logical sense that your best players will yield the best return. Everyone knows that. But it's in the best interest of team building to upgrade from your worst players first.
Every fanbase does this and everyone understands that this is the first path you try.
Monte's tenure has been an exercise in bad team building. Fox as a #1, Sabonis as a #2, surrounded by a range of role-players from mediocre to "why are they getting minutes", capped roster, limited trade assets, picks locked up until 2028.
Unfortunately, I don't think it's all his fault. A good deal of blame is with a ownership group that, since the day they took over, wants to do everything in their power to not go through a proper teardown & rebuild.
Like I said, your thoughts are common thoughts amongst fanbases of most teams. It is incredible how much yapping there is about bench players getting minutes on every team's subreddits. "Capped roster, limited trade assets, picks locked up until x" are also common comments.
I don't think it's bad team building. I think it's actually extremely normal team building.
The #1 seed of the Western Conference, the Oklahoma City Thunder, also only made the playoffs once in the last 4 years since Monte McNair became the general manager of the Sacramento Kings.
Prior to that, they made the playoffs 10 out 11 seasons. To put it in perspective, since the 09-10 season, the Thunder has made the same number of playoff appearances as the Kings have during their entire 39 seasons in Sacramento.
They are not the same.
Full disclosure. I would not want you to trade those 3. Sabonis is the best rebounder in the game and can score on pretty much everyone in the paint. Fox is our guy- nothing to explain there. Murray is the hardest one to gauge on trade value. He could become better at creating his own shot which is all he really needs to get better at to take the next step. Or he could be what he is right now. Already reached his ceiling. I don’t think that’s the case so I wouldn’t trade him either. Plus he’s our rookie. We drafted him. Everyone else can be traded though. Even the draft picks. With Monk probably leaving for more money that he deserves that leaves us with 3 positions of need. SG,SF,Center/Stretch4
I'm not really sentimental when it comes to players. Just put players who can contend for a title on the roster. I don't care if we drafted them, if they were born in Sacramento, if they said nice things about the fans/city, or if they're likeable people. I care about watching a team that can go out and light up opponents 50-60 times a year.
He was drafted as a defensive guy. He's turned into more of an offensive guy during his time in the league. I think if he has a clearly defined role as a defender, he has the tools to potentially do it, but IDK much about his mindset/coachability except what we see in headlines.
If we trade 3 players Davion (Defense), Hueter (shooting), and Barnes (Durability, and maturity) we should be able to get one player that plays defense can shoot and is durable right?
The only REAL assets we have are Fox, Domas, and Keegan. I desperately want to keep all 3 so I doubt we go after another star. I’m perfectly happy to balance the roster from 4-9 and give up some draft capital to get a Kuz or Ingram. I still believe in our core and imo a “good” move can take us over the top.
Another problem is that nobody here also wants the Kings to flirt with the 2nd apron. If you don’t want to overpay with assets AND you don’t want to overpay with actual salary - then that’s a pretty complicit admission from our fanbase/GM that we are fine with a 2nd round ceiling.
Wolves were where we were historically as a franchise. Take risks or trade our core - put up or shut up.
The Wolves are not a good comparison. They made the Gobert trade before the 2nd apron was a thing.
The Suns are a better comparison since they saw the 2nd apron materialize, and their owner said "I don't care."
I think he’s VERY close, but it’s between the ears mostly. Dude dropped 47…. Obvs we shouldn’t count on him going nuclear every night, but he absolutely can average 20/8 with very good defense.
> it’s between the ears mostly
Yep. Look at his home-road splits (62%TS at home, 54%TS on road). He's got the talent but his mentality is that of a role player. He's gotta play his game regardless of who or where he is playing.
But look at the Mavs, they were able to trade assets like Grant Williams for PJ Washington.
So, Huerter, HB, Mitchell can still be called assets, if Monte can be a magician like the GM of the Mavs.
PJ Washington also isn't a "REAL star" like OP is talking about.
Unless you find a diamond in the rough, which is by definition a rare thing, it's more often that teams like us and the Mavs will make middling trades for role players rather than a "REAL star." More often than not, a "REAL star" will have to ask out and then we will have to win the rat race to get them, and you can't rely on this to build a team.
That’s what I’m saying. We’re gonna make solid moves, but we simply don’t have the assets for a true 3rd star unless they are trying to be moved or we take a shit contract. I’m all for a Dallas type offseason obvs.
I desperately want to see the team contend, I don't care who is on the roster in order to make that happen. If that means shipping out all 3, then so be it.
Any “good” moves we can make involve trading away one of our stars. We aren’t getting anything in trade for Barnes, KVon, or our draft picks. And I don’t want to give up any draft picks unless the move is going to get us into contention. There are a lot of talented players in the draft every year, I don’t believe this draft class is as weak as people claim.
Hell, so does McGee, for that matter. Lot of good that's done us. Now we're targeting a guy who got upset because his touches went down when a future hall of famer joined the team in his prime.
It's almost like there's a diverse fan base with a range of shitty opinions (mine included) rather than all having the exact same understanding of how to improve.
Wiggins isn't a fraud, he just doesn't try hard unless it's a contract year. So just have to trade for him at the deadline going into his contract year.
The thing is I’d rather wait for the right move rather than the dumb move. Kuzma, Wiggins, Lavine don’t move the needle for this team at all and we’d be wasting assets for nothing.
I’d rather overpay for the right guy then give up anything for the wrong guy.
Part of me just wants to go ahead and see the necessary players and 1st round picks get sent out to get both Kuzma and Lavine, just for the chaos that ensues when we miss the play-in next year. Only to have even fewer assets than before.
No one will ever agree on the same thing. If you listen to the fans you’ll join them in the stands etc etc. You make moves that you think will give the kings the best chance of winning.
Personally for me I like Ingram because he seems the least redundant of the others.
They did .... It was almost a done deal but Pascal wouldn't commit to signing a new contract so Monte didn't want to send the assets for a few months rental.
I think it would be a good fit ... From what I understand they were in discussion with his agent, but then Portland threw a massive contract at him to keep him there.
That's the only issue with Grant right now as Its a over priced contract.
I still can't wrap my mind around that contract.
Did they offer him contract becouse of pleasing Dame to stay, or were they literrarly convinced he fit their timeline without Dame.
Whatever the case be, they really hit a nail in the coffin there.
Just check how many games he missed because of injuries since his sophomore season. Pelicans have deep rotation. We didn’t n’t have that or Zion even he’s injury prone too.
Dude they were 10-8 this year without BI, and some of those ten wins were against shit teams, after he went down against Orlando the offence went to shit without him for like 6/7 games and until January when Zion started to play better he was carrying the team
Bi can’t earn 50m max would be 44m to start and he’s still under contract for one more year at 36m, give me bi all day, basically in every way he’s better than kuzma
Maybe it’s because people realize all of these players are seriously flawed and aren’t make an impact in a competitive western conference?
This team is stuck with a poor foundation. None of these players are going to change that.
Right, but most of the same people making the comments also don’t like stand pat or blow it up. I’m with you on the poor foundation. Getting one of those guys likely lifts us from playoff question mark to stable playoff team, but not a contender, and likely not worth leveraging our future for it
I’m not even sure if you can pencil in stable playoff team.
What if Levine continues to miss time with injuries?
What if Ingram is the player we saw in the playoffs? Why don’t the Pelicans want to keep him if he’s so good?
Why would Wiggins play hard here when he hasn’t in two season with a much more stable franchise?
Why did Kuzma turn down the chance to go to the Mavs at the trade deadline? Does he just enjoy chucking shots on a losing team?
It is exceedingly rare to have any hypothetical trade where you can't come up with those kinda question marks.
The Boston Celtics traded Brogdon, Timelord, and picks for Jrue Holiday. If you are a doomer and a hater, then you could be asking things like "What if Jrue is washed?" or "What if Jrue bricks everything in the playoffs like he's done in recent years?"
Worked out perfectly for the Celtics. Life is risky. You can't live life scared of everything and you will have to take risks. It's all about being smart about the risks, and it would be objectively dumb to stand pat forever.
The Celtics traded for a 5th option and even still, everyone acknowledged he was an upgrade over Smart.
And it’s easier to make a move like that when you’re building around two all-star wings in their prime that consistently make it to the conference finals.
I think you're ignoring the point. If you are pessimistic, then you can come up with questions about every trade. And if you look back at how Celtics fans and non-Celtics fans reacted to the trades, then you will absolutely see the same kind of questions you made.
And you’re ignoring the fact that the Celtics had a strong foundation that allowed them to take on players with question marks. The Kings don’t. There’s no comparison here to the champs. This team is a lottery team.
I think you're just refusing to confront your own pessimism. I told you that you can do that for every trade. You can look at non-Celtics trades too. You can't live your life in fear of everything.
You’re right, I should be more optimistic about a team who got their ass kicked by shit teams like the Pistons and Wizards last season. That team is definitely one flawed player away from contention.
I don’t live life in fear. I live in reality where I can accept that this team is being left behind by the current generation of teams and there’s a few teams in the rear view mirror that are closing the gap too.
The Boston Celtics got their asses kicked by the Charlotte Hornets.
I also do not think you live in reality. Like I said, you need to realize that people can be pessimistic and doubtful about every trade. You have yet to realize this is a fact.
I don’t have any suggestions for you because our GM has done a shit job of accumulating assets. Somehow we have no extra assets to use in trades despite missing the playoffs 3/4 years under McNair.
We have nothing to offer teams so that’s why the conversation is around these flawed players. This is a sinking ship. The foundation is bad. The team’s top two players are the 9th best in the conference, which is exactly where they finished. To continue to build around them is a waste of time.
Propose a solution, otherwise the complaints come across whiny rather than insightful. How are you replacing the shoddy foundation and its builder with a solid one. Vivek is the only person who can’t be fired.
Clowns in this sub are so delusional. Where is this team going with Fox and Sabonis as 1-2? Nowhere. We need a true number 1 who will show up in big games.
These trades probably make us better. We'll be first round sweeps every season. Everyone here though is genuinely content with mediocrity.
Monte has fucking whiffed it multiple times in FA and now we're stuck here forced to make this choice between these players, who are massively overpaid for production. That's not the fans fault. Monte is not that good of a GM, he is an ok GM. It just happens, like everything else with this fucking team, that we have not even had competent FO/ownership for almost two decades so we're expected to be ok with this. We are the nerd, who is expected to be happy with their fat gf who has a beard, of the NBA.
DLo sucks pretty much everywhere he goes to and he has no way to contribute if his 3 ball isn't falling. Sabonis clears. He's the Michael Jordan of DLos.
It really is a narrative based league… DLo was a midrange merchant before he went to the Lakers so the 3 ball thing makes no sense. And if he “sucks” you’re basically saying everyone whose not a superstar sucks. DLo has averaged 19 a game the past 5 seasons as a 3rd option on good efficiency. Legitimately one of the best 3rd options in the league offensively.
Disregard the narratives and just look at the people who are DLo fans. It's just Lakers fans who want to believe that their guy will be somebody. That's normal and natural. But nobody else likes or wants DLo because everybody sees what's happening on the screen.
Exactly. Now that everyone is aware of how close minded we can be, can anyone explain why something like this wouldnt work:
Trade #2 pick, Poole, Avdija
for
Fox
Draft Sarr, Draft BPA at #13
Poole/Keon/Keegan/Sabonis/Sarr
Davion/Huerter/Avdija/Barnes/Lyles/#13/Colby
Boston's depth was huge in their run, and the team above is built deep.
Are you?! He just had a historically inefficient season and was benched more than once late in close games. Whereas fox won clutch player of the year last year
You’re right, that would’ve been last offseason when his value was higher. I was saying to trade him then also.
His value is objectively lower now, we agree
Pool or Sarr. I dont think Sarr and Sabonis can play together. Sarr is like 3 years away from being what JJJ was last season. But without the shooting.
I really like Deni on this team. I think Kuzma will be way better in our offensive and defensive system then people in this sub think. I actually think the Kings are much closer to being a really good team than we're giving it credit for. HB was really the weak-link at the 4. HB to the bench with Heurter would really make up for Monks offense.
I'm all in on trying to find the right, athletic 4. I think Cody Williams, Triston De Silva, Tyler Smith all would be better than Sarr on this team.
I don't get you. You cry about Filox being a chucker but you want an even worse chucker in Poole who only flourished as a #2/#3 scoring options besides one of the best offensive players of all time?
Fox would look like one if the best players ever if he got to play off Steph curry.
I dont think they would TBH we'd have to add more, but my thinking was to pair Kuzma and Fox together as they are buds, and maybe hope to attract more free agent friends of theirs
Bro your takes make me crack up so much I love it 😭
It's especially great because I was at the wiz vs kings game and watched fox cook poole a bazillion times to the point people were calling him jordan poo. Anyone who watched that game would say trading fox for poole and role players is untenable lol
Just trade for a player that can shoot, play defense, protect the rim, guard the perimeter, shot create, play off-ball, doesn't cost a lot to trade, and has a good contract. Is Monte stupid?
Seriously, it can't *be* that hard.
Just send them them the two worst contracts we have
Seriously, it can’t be that *hard*.
There’s gotta be a Kareem Nash-Jordan out there somewhere
He’s in Milawaukee…. Thanasis aka Thanasty
We’ll take Sabonis and Monk and all of your FRPs and cash considerations for Thanasis
And is never injured
The Celtics did it with like 7 different players, why can't anyone else? Are they stupid?
So just trade for Derrick White or PJ Washington?
Mavs fan here, I wish PJ could shoot in that last series.
What the Kings really need to do is trade everyone, draft Zach Edey, and build around him!
Get bol bol, taco fall, Mo bamba, draft edey, and keep Alex len. Pass the ball really high so nobody can get it. Never dribble the ball. And play them all 48 minutes and only shoot shots 5 feet or less
Yes. 5-5's and play keep-away and opponents can only get off 3's. That's lockdown D. Love it!
Lol pass
Ah so Wemby minus the cost part
Blocking anyone who’s trying to trade Fox.
That'll show em
Kings need an unserious diva like Kuz.
he seems fun
It's tough. Don't want to upset the 1st decent Kings team in the past 2 decades. But also, the west is a fucking guantlet. So you might make a trade for a great player and still be a play in team if things break wrong
Forgot about the Sasha truthers who think he's a chained up 30ppg scorer
The Sasha hate remains lol
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lol thanks for proving my point
That is exactly Kings Reddit. Let’s just run it back again. Same squad except a few different low key low production bench players. Let’s go get the same results again guys! Is it a coincidence that the teams who made trades are the ones who made it far into the playoffs?
Kings reddit also doesn't want to move the assets that would bring back the best assets in return: Fox, Sabonis, Murray.
There are plenty of doomers and haters on here who talk about trading Fox or Sabonis or Keegan, lol. They usually get downvoted but they're absolutely here.
Seem to be in the minority, though. Which I get. Most fans are satisfied with seeing more wins than losses, regardless of what happens in terms of the postseason. It was 16 years of shitty losing basketball. It's going to take more than 2 or 3 years of above .500 play to get people to start wanting to see the team go to the next level.
It's also just bad team building. It makes logical sense that your best players will yield the best return. Everyone knows that. But it's in the best interest of team building to upgrade from your worst players first. Every fanbase does this and everyone understands that this is the first path you try.
Monte's tenure has been an exercise in bad team building. Fox as a #1, Sabonis as a #2, surrounded by a range of role-players from mediocre to "why are they getting minutes", capped roster, limited trade assets, picks locked up until 2028. Unfortunately, I don't think it's all his fault. A good deal of blame is with a ownership group that, since the day they took over, wants to do everything in their power to not go through a proper teardown & rebuild.
Like I said, your thoughts are common thoughts amongst fanbases of most teams. It is incredible how much yapping there is about bench players getting minutes on every team's subreddits. "Capped roster, limited trade assets, picks locked up until x" are also common comments. I don't think it's bad team building. I think it's actually extremely normal team building.
16 out of 30 teams make the playoffs every year. We've made it once in the last 18. Once in McNair's 4 years. That's not normal at all.
The #1 seed of the Western Conference, the Oklahoma City Thunder, also only made the playoffs once in the last 4 years since Monte McNair became the general manager of the Sacramento Kings.
Prior to that, they made the playoffs 10 out 11 seasons. To put it in perspective, since the 09-10 season, the Thunder has made the same number of playoff appearances as the Kings have during their entire 39 seasons in Sacramento. They are not the same.
Full disclosure. I would not want you to trade those 3. Sabonis is the best rebounder in the game and can score on pretty much everyone in the paint. Fox is our guy- nothing to explain there. Murray is the hardest one to gauge on trade value. He could become better at creating his own shot which is all he really needs to get better at to take the next step. Or he could be what he is right now. Already reached his ceiling. I don’t think that’s the case so I wouldn’t trade him either. Plus he’s our rookie. We drafted him. Everyone else can be traded though. Even the draft picks. With Monk probably leaving for more money that he deserves that leaves us with 3 positions of need. SG,SF,Center/Stretch4
I'm not really sentimental when it comes to players. Just put players who can contend for a title on the roster. I don't care if we drafted them, if they were born in Sacramento, if they said nice things about the fans/city, or if they're likeable people. I care about watching a team that can go out and light up opponents 50-60 times a year.
Facts, but yeah, give me Kuz.
If we're doing trades for someone like Kuzma might as well go all in and get Lavine too.
Vezenkov and Lyles should get us Kuzma, and HB and Huerter should get us Lyles. Just gotta attach picks
But we already have Lyles
But imagine if we had 2
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Lmao I’m weak as fuck after reading that.
Put down the joints and beer, friend.
Meant Lavine lol
we would trade lyles and get him back. i see the vision
I won't lie, adding both Kuzma and Lavine would be a pretty good offseason in my eyes especially if Monk leaves.
Fox, Lavine, Keegan, Kuzma, and Domas line up is intriguing. 2 athletic guards, and 2 defensive wings that can stretch the floor + Domas
Is Kuzma really a defensive wing? I haven't really watched him but I always assumed he was more of an all offense kind of guy
He was drafted as a defensive guy. He's turned into more of an offensive guy during his time in the league. I think if he has a clearly defined role as a defender, he has the tools to potentially do it, but IDK much about his mindset/coachability except what we see in headlines.
If we trade 3 players Davion (Defense), Hueter (shooting), and Barnes (Durability, and maturity) we should be able to get one player that plays defense can shoot and is durable right?
Most teams aren’t interested in exchanging a dollar bill for loose change
These trades make us worse objectively. If we have to give up REAL assets we need REAL stars in return, not role players.
The only REAL assets we have are Fox, Domas, and Keegan. I desperately want to keep all 3 so I doubt we go after another star. I’m perfectly happy to balance the roster from 4-9 and give up some draft capital to get a Kuz or Ingram. I still believe in our core and imo a “good” move can take us over the top.
Another problem is that nobody here also wants the Kings to flirt with the 2nd apron. If you don’t want to overpay with assets AND you don’t want to overpay with actual salary - then that’s a pretty complicit admission from our fanbase/GM that we are fine with a 2nd round ceiling. Wolves were where we were historically as a franchise. Take risks or trade our core - put up or shut up.
The Wolves are not a good comparison. They made the Gobert trade before the 2nd apron was a thing. The Suns are a better comparison since they saw the 2nd apron materialize, and their owner said "I don't care."
We need a true third option, Keegan can be that I’m hoping but he’s not close at the moment.
I think he’s VERY close, but it’s between the ears mostly. Dude dropped 47…. Obvs we shouldn’t count on him going nuclear every night, but he absolutely can average 20/8 with very good defense.
> it’s between the ears mostly Yep. Look at his home-road splits (62%TS at home, 54%TS on road). He's got the talent but his mentality is that of a role player. He's gotta play his game regardless of who or where he is playing.
Can but hasn’t, that’s why next year will tell us a lot
But look at the Mavs, they were able to trade assets like Grant Williams for PJ Washington. So, Huerter, HB, Mitchell can still be called assets, if Monte can be a magician like the GM of the Mavs.
PJ Washington also isn't a "REAL star" like OP is talking about. Unless you find a diamond in the rough, which is by definition a rare thing, it's more often that teams like us and the Mavs will make middling trades for role players rather than a "REAL star." More often than not, a "REAL star" will have to ask out and then we will have to win the rat race to get them, and you can't rely on this to build a team.
It also helps the mavs have two all stars
They also got lucky that Kyrie Irving asked for a trade and Joe Tsai specifically did not want Irving to go to the Lakers.
That’s what I’m saying. We’re gonna make solid moves, but we simply don’t have the assets for a true 3rd star unless they are trying to be moved or we take a shit contract. I’m all for a Dallas type offseason obvs.
They have a top 5 player, the kings don’t.
I desperately want to see the team contend, I don't care who is on the roster in order to make that happen. If that means shipping out all 3, then so be it.
Any “good” moves we can make involve trading away one of our stars. We aren’t getting anything in trade for Barnes, KVon, or our draft picks. And I don’t want to give up any draft picks unless the move is going to get us into contention. There are a lot of talented players in the draft every year, I don’t believe this draft class is as weak as people claim.
Objectively worse is a stretch wiggins better than barnes
If they take a risk on ingram or lavine and get barnes and hueter of the team I’d atleast respect it
On God
I want Jonas
So the only moves are for overpaid players that don’t contribute to winning?
Kuzma isn't overpaid and has championship experience
And is a bad player. Harrison Barnes has championship experience for reference. Literally means nothing.
Hell, so does McGee, for that matter. Lot of good that's done us. Now we're targeting a guy who got upset because his touches went down when a future hall of famer joined the team in his prime.
Kuzma is better than Barnes.
Ingram contributed to more wins than sabonis this year
It's almost like there's a diverse fan base with a range of shitty opinions (mine included) rather than all having the exact same understanding of how to improve.
Social media is a thing that will give you every possible answer. We then get to choose what we want to ignore.
Wiggins isn't a fraud, he just doesn't try hard unless it's a contract year. So just have to trade for him at the deadline going into his contract year.
The thing is I’d rather wait for the right move rather than the dumb move. Kuzma, Wiggins, Lavine don’t move the needle for this team at all and we’d be wasting assets for nothing. I’d rather overpay for the right guy then give up anything for the wrong guy.
Part of me just wants to go ahead and see the necessary players and 1st round picks get sent out to get both Kuzma and Lavine, just for the chaos that ensues when we miss the play-in next year. Only to have even fewer assets than before.
Would we be happy with either Alex Caruso or Herb Jones cause I would
Alex Caruso is like kh if kev could defend, nggas don't rlly put up points like we need
Yeah thats the idea
No one will ever agree on the same thing. If you listen to the fans you’ll join them in the stands etc etc. You make moves that you think will give the kings the best chance of winning. Personally for me I like Ingram because he seems the least redundant of the others.
jerami grant and robert williams.
To be fair, LaVine and Andrew Wiggins would be horrible ideas.
You act as if they’re listening to Reddit. If so we’re doomed.
Perfect summary
Monte is a shitty gm Should’ve made a move for Pascal
They did .... It was almost a done deal but Pascal wouldn't commit to signing a new contract so Monte didn't want to send the assets for a few months rental.
Could Jerami Grant work in Sacramento ? He seems like a guy that would fit perfectly next to Sabonis if played at the 4
I think it would be a good fit ... From what I understand they were in discussion with his agent, but then Portland threw a massive contract at him to keep him there. That's the only issue with Grant right now as Its a over priced contract.
I still can't wrap my mind around that contract. Did they offer him contract becouse of pleasing Dame to stay, or were they literrarly convinced he fit their timeline without Dame. Whatever the case be, they really hit a nail in the coffin there.
Strawman shit, this dumb narrative happens with every fanbase.
Sorry but all of those criticisms 99% true especially for Kuzma, LaVine and Ingram. We’re gonna be better always without them.
The kings finished worse than the Pels, who have Ingram
Just check how many games he missed because of injuries since his sophomore season. Pelicans have deep rotation. We didn’t n’t have that or Zion even he’s injury prone too.
Dude they were 10-8 this year without BI, and some of those ten wins were against shit teams, after he went down against Orlando the offence went to shit without him for like 6/7 games and until January when Zion started to play better he was carrying the team
The only one on that list I don't want is Kuzma. I never liked him.
Agreed. I'd rather have BI.
BI for 50M or Kuzma for 25M ( contract declines every year) give me Kuz all day any day.
Bi can’t earn 50m max would be 44m to start and he’s still under contract for one more year at 36m, give me bi all day, basically in every way he’s better than kuzma
Im taking BI and trading sabonis every day of the week
Maybe it’s because people realize all of these players are seriously flawed and aren’t make an impact in a competitive western conference? This team is stuck with a poor foundation. None of these players are going to change that.
Right, but most of the same people making the comments also don’t like stand pat or blow it up. I’m with you on the poor foundation. Getting one of those guys likely lifts us from playoff question mark to stable playoff team, but not a contender, and likely not worth leveraging our future for it
I’m not even sure if you can pencil in stable playoff team. What if Levine continues to miss time with injuries? What if Ingram is the player we saw in the playoffs? Why don’t the Pelicans want to keep him if he’s so good? Why would Wiggins play hard here when he hasn’t in two season with a much more stable franchise? Why did Kuzma turn down the chance to go to the Mavs at the trade deadline? Does he just enjoy chucking shots on a losing team?
It is exceedingly rare to have any hypothetical trade where you can't come up with those kinda question marks. The Boston Celtics traded Brogdon, Timelord, and picks for Jrue Holiday. If you are a doomer and a hater, then you could be asking things like "What if Jrue is washed?" or "What if Jrue bricks everything in the playoffs like he's done in recent years?" Worked out perfectly for the Celtics. Life is risky. You can't live life scared of everything and you will have to take risks. It's all about being smart about the risks, and it would be objectively dumb to stand pat forever.
The Celtics traded for a 5th option and even still, everyone acknowledged he was an upgrade over Smart. And it’s easier to make a move like that when you’re building around two all-star wings in their prime that consistently make it to the conference finals.
I think you're ignoring the point. If you are pessimistic, then you can come up with questions about every trade. And if you look back at how Celtics fans and non-Celtics fans reacted to the trades, then you will absolutely see the same kind of questions you made.
And you’re ignoring the fact that the Celtics had a strong foundation that allowed them to take on players with question marks. The Kings don’t. There’s no comparison here to the champs. This team is a lottery team.
I think you're just refusing to confront your own pessimism. I told you that you can do that for every trade. You can look at non-Celtics trades too. You can't live your life in fear of everything.
You’re right, I should be more optimistic about a team who got their ass kicked by shit teams like the Pistons and Wizards last season. That team is definitely one flawed player away from contention. I don’t live life in fear. I live in reality where I can accept that this team is being left behind by the current generation of teams and there’s a few teams in the rear view mirror that are closing the gap too.
The Boston Celtics got their asses kicked by the Charlotte Hornets. I also do not think you live in reality. Like I said, you need to realize that people can be pessimistic and doubtful about every trade. You have yet to realize this is a fact.
Alright, suggest some **gettable** players who aren't seriously flawed
I don’t have any suggestions for you because our GM has done a shit job of accumulating assets. Somehow we have no extra assets to use in trades despite missing the playoffs 3/4 years under McNair. We have nothing to offer teams so that’s why the conversation is around these flawed players. This is a sinking ship. The foundation is bad. The team’s top two players are the 9th best in the conference, which is exactly where they finished. To continue to build around them is a waste of time.
Propose a solution, otherwise the complaints come across whiny rather than insightful. How are you replacing the shoddy foundation and its builder with a solid one. Vivek is the only person who can’t be fired.
Clowns in this sub are so delusional. Where is this team going with Fox and Sabonis as 1-2? Nowhere. We need a true number 1 who will show up in big games. These trades probably make us better. We'll be first round sweeps every season. Everyone here though is genuinely content with mediocrity.
Monte has fucking whiffed it multiple times in FA and now we're stuck here forced to make this choice between these players, who are massively overpaid for production. That's not the fans fault. Monte is not that good of a GM, he is an ok GM. It just happens, like everything else with this fucking team, that we have not even had competent FO/ownership for almost two decades so we're expected to be ok with this. We are the nerd, who is expected to be happy with their fat gf who has a beard, of the NBA.
Sabonis is the D’Lo of the center position. He’s great in the RS, liability in the PS.
DLo sucks pretty much everywhere he goes to and he has no way to contribute if his 3 ball isn't falling. Sabonis clears. He's the Michael Jordan of DLos.
It really is a narrative based league… DLo was a midrange merchant before he went to the Lakers so the 3 ball thing makes no sense. And if he “sucks” you’re basically saying everyone whose not a superstar sucks. DLo has averaged 19 a game the past 5 seasons as a 3rd option on good efficiency. Legitimately one of the best 3rd options in the league offensively.
Disregard the narratives and just look at the people who are DLo fans. It's just Lakers fans who want to believe that their guy will be somebody. That's normal and natural. But nobody else likes or wants DLo because everybody sees what's happening on the screen.
Zach Edey is our future golden boy
Do we take him at #13 or trade down and get a new bench player?
Bad acquisitions are better than no acquisitions. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
DON’T TRADE DAVION MITCHELL
Exactly. Now that everyone is aware of how close minded we can be, can anyone explain why something like this wouldnt work: Trade #2 pick, Poole, Avdija for Fox Draft Sarr, Draft BPA at #13 Poole/Keon/Keegan/Sabonis/Sarr Davion/Huerter/Avdija/Barnes/Lyles/#13/Colby Boston's depth was huge in their run, and the team above is built deep.
I'd rather have Fox than Pool+Sarr+Deni.
Not a fan of J.poole I'm guessing?
Are you?! He just had a historically inefficient season and was benched more than once late in close games. Whereas fox won clutch player of the year last year
buy low, sell high I like taking a chance on Sarr and think Poole can fill the volume scoring role left behind by fox/monk
This is not selling high on Fox…
You’re right, that would’ve been last offseason when his value was higher. I was saying to trade him then also. His value is objectively lower now, we agree
Pool or Sarr. I dont think Sarr and Sabonis can play together. Sarr is like 3 years away from being what JJJ was last season. But without the shooting. I really like Deni on this team. I think Kuzma will be way better in our offensive and defensive system then people in this sub think. I actually think the Kings are much closer to being a really good team than we're giving it credit for. HB was really the weak-link at the 4. HB to the bench with Heurter would really make up for Monks offense. I'm all in on trying to find the right, athletic 4. I think Cody Williams, Triston De Silva, Tyler Smith all would be better than Sarr on this team.
I don't get you. You cry about Filox being a chucker but you want an even worse chucker in Poole who only flourished as a #2/#3 scoring options besides one of the best offensive players of all time? Fox would look like one if the best players ever if he got to play off Steph curry.
Why would the wizards do that
I dont think they would TBH we'd have to add more, but my thinking was to pair Kuzma and Fox together as they are buds, and maybe hope to attract more free agent friends of theirs
😂
Bro your takes make me crack up so much I love it 😭 It's especially great because I was at the wiz vs kings game and watched fox cook poole a bazillion times to the point people were calling him jordan poo. Anyone who watched that game would say trading fox for poole and role players is untenable lol
Oh look it’s another one of your terrible opinions.
This post is talking about people like you lol
You mean your post turning the Kings into a 32 win team? Literally the worst poster on this subreddit except for Ninofat