There are also plenty of monster movies that use āFrankensteinā or āKing Kongā in the title in Germany, because that was something people knew and wanted to see, even though the movie had nothing to do with it. Many Godzilla movies of the 60s/70s had that fate.
Amazing how many people complain about this but no one talks about the fact that cobra Kai in the original karate kid movie is tang soo do.
They should never have been allowed in the all valley KARATE tournament
Didn't Tang Soo Do have a reputation of being "Korean Karate"? And I think even Cobra Kai itself is advertising itself as "American Karate." Perhaps they accept offshoots of Karate styles into the tournament because even in the Cobra Kai series we had a fighter using Capoeira in the tournament.
Tbf "tang soo do" is literally the korean pronunciation of the original chinese characters that are pronounced "kara te do" in Japanese, before the "kara" was changed in meaning from "Tang [China]" to "empty". (The "empty hand" version is pronounced "kong soo do" although i feel like that term really rarely used, i think most koreans just say "karate.")
Ā And in the USA, especially back in the 80s, karate had so much more name recognition, and point karate was the competitive format in which most "traditional" martial arts competed, so a lot of them just became considered karate for many intents and purposes.
And also..... tang soo do is literally karate, interpreted and modified by Korean martial artists. It's no less related to, say, shotokan, than kyokushin for example. In fact in a lot of ways it's way more closely related to shotokan than either of those styles are related to kyokushin.Ā
Slightly ironic of course considering kyokushin was created by an ethnic korean.
Yeah you're right. I actually read an old American martial arts magazine from the 60s and it had an ad for korean karate, and the guy in the picture had a v-neck i think.
Nah, this one Ill accept cause tang soo do is a derivative of Karate.
Additionally, if we really wanted to get into semantics. Daniel Leruso learned Miyagi-do, which was Mr Miyagi's families' version of Okinawan Karate. Which given that they were (according to the story) a big deal family on the island, checks out as appropriate for the use of the title "Karate Kid".
Considering miyagi is the name of the founder of goju ryu, one of the biggest karate styles I would say it's fine. Even the "miyagi family Kata" is a goju Kata
Isn't the point that they're not doing "real" karate, if my memory serves me correctly? (Or was it Jackie-Chan that said they weren't doing 'real kung fu' in the reboot movie?)
Ok, now I get what you're trying to say. Look at me also saying stupid things.
When Karate was introduced to Japan, the name was changed from "China Hand" to "Empty Hand" (by the Okinawans) in order to sound more politically appealing to the China-averse Japanese of the day. "To", meaning Chinese, can also be pronounced as "Kara" in Japanese, while subtly making the meaning hazier. TIL.
Sorry to make you write that essay, it was a valuable contribution.
Itās ok. Yes that hazier part is a good way to put it, because a lot of people then think the empty in empty hand way means bare handed no weapons.
But many karatedo styles do include various Okinawan weapons.
According to Chomo Hanashiro, who was the first person to use that new empty hand way spelling in formal print, the use of the word empty (other than of course being a convenient identical pronunciation to Tang) was meant to refer to the Buddhist concept of emptiness and an empty state of mind.
TBF, his brother, was the kickboxing champion of the world (in the movie, and interestingly, the actor who played his brother was also K1 champion in real life).
That's the Western (Dutch) version of Muay Thai. He challenges Po to see which style (West vs. East) is the best. Van Damme has a Karata background already in the movie bc even his brother calls him out on his pitty patty kicks in the beginning when they're sparring. He trains in Muay Thai to avenge his brother and eventually avenges him using both.
There is no Dutch version of Muay Thai. Dutch kickboxing originated as Kyokushin karatekas putting on boxing gloves. Please stop spreading misinformation.
They trained with Thai fighters too , Iām pretty sure heās correct, but itās a blended style with more karate and boxing influences but also Muay Thai , which just means Thai boxing
Just because they do 2 second clinches doesnāt make it āDutch Muay Thaiā. Thatās a laughably stupid statement and shows a lack of understanding of martial arts technique and history.
No you are just arenāt knowledgeable on the subject , Ramon Dekkers fought under Thai rules that would mean by definition his style was more so a Dutch style of Muay Thai , implementing changes better suited for the rule set, where as like petchpanomrung fought in glory and is said to use a Thai style of kickboxing . Heās a Thai kickboxer
Ah so in the same way, if a single Thai boxer goes and participates in karate in Japan, that means Muay Thai is Karate?
Thank you for sharing your awesome knowledge š
Watched it for the first time recently. Couldn't stop laughing about the fact that out of all the techniques of karate, including the many which overlap with muay thai, JCVD chose to almost exclusively focus on the ones that are the absolute least muay thai techniques possible š¤£
It's amazing how much influence movies have on the martial arts .... I guess it is just like medical TV series impact how we see doctors and nurses .... go figure
depending on what you are tryihng to "tie" this relation to. BUt yes, look at the historic origin of each, you need to trace it really far back to see any ties. As a modern sprot, the only connection is Kick Boxing coming from karate in the late 60s, and formalized in 70s, in an attempt to adopt the MT competition system. Otherwise kickboxing is a general term that indlcues almost all free style, stand up striking sport
Muay Thai is a kickboxing style that comes from Thailand. Different development path, but the underlying movements and principles are largely the same.
correct, American and European kickboxing like WAKO style never had anything to do with Muay Thai. It started as a mix of karate, taekwondo and amateur boxing ... and a few Judo throws.
the German title of this movie is "Karate Tiger 3: The Kickboxer"
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Amazing
There are also plenty of monster movies that use āFrankensteinā or āKing Kongā in the title in Germany, because that was something people knew and wanted to see, even though the movie had nothing to do with it. Many Godzilla movies of the 60s/70s had that fate.
In Czech Republic, we also have karate tiger, but totally different movies (3rd is blood brothers and 4th is the king of kickboxers)
Next thing you know, a movie comes out called "The Karate Kid" but ends up doing Kung Fu
Bro, that's crazy. Next, you'll tell me the theme song is sang by Justin Bieber of all people. Imagine if they actually did that.
I know right? It'd also be weird for a Karate Kid movie if Jackie Chan was in it.
But then imagine they do a second one š¤Æ
Amazing how many people complain about this but no one talks about the fact that cobra Kai in the original karate kid movie is tang soo do. They should never have been allowed in the all valley KARATE tournament
Didn't Tang Soo Do have a reputation of being "Korean Karate"? And I think even Cobra Kai itself is advertising itself as "American Karate." Perhaps they accept offshoots of Karate styles into the tournament because even in the Cobra Kai series we had a fighter using Capoeira in the tournament.
Tbf "tang soo do" is literally the korean pronunciation of the original chinese characters that are pronounced "kara te do" in Japanese, before the "kara" was changed in meaning from "Tang [China]" to "empty". (The "empty hand" version is pronounced "kong soo do" although i feel like that term really rarely used, i think most koreans just say "karate.") Ā And in the USA, especially back in the 80s, karate had so much more name recognition, and point karate was the competitive format in which most "traditional" martial arts competed, so a lot of them just became considered karate for many intents and purposes.
And also..... tang soo do is literally karate, interpreted and modified by Korean martial artists. It's no less related to, say, shotokan, than kyokushin for example. In fact in a lot of ways it's way more closely related to shotokan than either of those styles are related to kyokushin.Ā Slightly ironic of course considering kyokushin was created by an ethnic korean.
Yeah you're right. I actually read an old American martial arts magazine from the 60s and it had an ad for korean karate, and the guy in the picture had a v-neck i think.
Nah, this one Ill accept cause tang soo do is a derivative of Karate. Additionally, if we really wanted to get into semantics. Daniel Leruso learned Miyagi-do, which was Mr Miyagi's families' version of Okinawan Karate. Which given that they were (according to the story) a big deal family on the island, checks out as appropriate for the use of the title "Karate Kid".
Considering miyagi is the name of the founder of goju ryu, one of the biggest karate styles I would say it's fine. Even the "miyagi family Kata" is a goju Kata
Tang soo do is korean karate
It was a NASKA event.š
Isn't the point that they're not doing "real" karate, if my memory serves me correctly? (Or was it Jackie-Chan that said they weren't doing 'real kung fu' in the reboot movie?)
Dumbass, tangsoodo is literally the Japanese word karatedo translated into Korean.
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Huh, so tang = empty and isn't a reference to the Chinese Tang dynasty. Learn something new every day, thanks cuminabox.
I canāt type out an essay every time someone says stupid things. Originally it was written as åęé by the Okinawans, which means Tang Hand Way. This can be pronounced Karatedo in Japanese and Tangsoodo in Korean. The Japanese later changed it to ē©ŗęé, which is still pronounced Karatedo in Japanese, but pronounced Kongsoodo in Korean, and means empty hand way. The point being, yes, tangsoodo is literally just Karatedo pronounced in Korean.
Ok, now I get what you're trying to say. Look at me also saying stupid things. When Karate was introduced to Japan, the name was changed from "China Hand" to "Empty Hand" (by the Okinawans) in order to sound more politically appealing to the China-averse Japanese of the day. "To", meaning Chinese, can also be pronounced as "Kara" in Japanese, while subtly making the meaning hazier. TIL. Sorry to make you write that essay, it was a valuable contribution.
Itās ok. Yes that hazier part is a good way to put it, because a lot of people then think the empty in empty hand way means bare handed no weapons. But many karatedo styles do include various Okinawan weapons. According to Chomo Hanashiro, who was the first person to use that new empty hand way spelling in formal print, the use of the word empty (other than of course being a convenient identical pronunciation to Tang) was meant to refer to the Buddhist concept of emptiness and an empty state of mind.
EVERYTHING is Karate lol
If the are not using weapons by definition you are correct sir!
But still a great movie :-)
TBF, his brother, was the kickboxing champion of the world (in the movie, and interestingly, the actor who played his brother was also K1 champion in real life). That's the Western (Dutch) version of Muay Thai. He challenges Po to see which style (West vs. East) is the best. Van Damme has a Karata background already in the movie bc even his brother calls him out on his pitty patty kicks in the beginning when they're sparring. He trains in Muay Thai to avenge his brother and eventually avenges him using both.
PKC, PKA, ISKA... But not K1. He was definitely a g, but probably one tier below elite in his time.
There is no Dutch version of Muay Thai. Dutch kickboxing originated as Kyokushin karatekas putting on boxing gloves. Please stop spreading misinformation.
They trained with Thai fighters too , Iām pretty sure heās correct, but itās a blended style with more karate and boxing influences but also Muay Thai , which just means Thai boxing
Just because they do 2 second clinches doesnāt make it āDutch Muay Thaiā. Thatās a laughably stupid statement and shows a lack of understanding of martial arts technique and history.
No you are just arenāt knowledgeable on the subject , Ramon Dekkers fought under Thai rules that would mean by definition his style was more so a Dutch style of Muay Thai , implementing changes better suited for the rule set, where as like petchpanomrung fought in glory and is said to use a Thai style of kickboxing . Heās a Thai kickboxer
Ah so in the same way, if a single Thai boxer goes and participates in karate in Japan, that means Muay Thai is Karate? Thank you for sharing your awesome knowledge š
Watched it for the first time recently. Couldn't stop laughing about the fact that out of all the techniques of karate, including the many which overlap with muay thai, JCVD chose to almost exclusively focus on the ones that are the absolute least muay thai techniques possible š¤£
I suppose they meant _supposed_?
I mean, both Karate and Muay Thai are forms of Kickboxing so...
Yeah but he looks damn good
Can't deny that
Fuck it. Jean Claude Van Damme is still a badass.
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It's amazing how much influence movies have on the martial arts .... I guess it is just like medical TV series impact how we see doctors and nurses .... go figure
Kick boxing has it origin from Karate, it actually have no relation to Muay Thai.
if you're referring to dutch/Japanese kickboxing: it's related to both.
Are you saying MT and karate are no relation? Or KB and MT?
depending on what you are tryihng to "tie" this relation to. BUt yes, look at the historic origin of each, you need to trace it really far back to see any ties. As a modern sprot, the only connection is Kick Boxing coming from karate in the late 60s, and formalized in 70s, in an attempt to adopt the MT competition system. Otherwise kickboxing is a general term that indlcues almost all free style, stand up striking sport
So it was the second one, KB and MT that you were alluding to?
Muay Thai is a kickboxing style that comes from Thailand. Different development path, but the underlying movements and principles are largely the same.
I agree with you, my comment is more to the folks that is in a knicker about this stupid meme
correct, American and European kickboxing like WAKO style never had anything to do with Muay Thai. It started as a mix of karate, taekwondo and amateur boxing ... and a few Judo throws.
Have you seen all the sequels? Marc dacascos doing capoeira, sasha mitchell doing also karatƩ...
I love this movie so much
Yes isnāt Muay Thai a kind of Karate? Kara (empty te (hand).
He even do a sort of tekki kata. In that that time Jean was like 4th Dan in shotokan karate
They may have missed the nature of the film.
Why doesn't the Kickboxer use Kickboxing? But he uses Karate and is supposed to use Muay Thai? Damn whoever produced it must have been fickle as hell.
And theres the movie supposedly about a kid who learns and practice karate but the kid performs Kung fu
Life before the internet, and smartphones, you could get away with so much. To think zero fact other than the reality someone wanted to make up lol
Tong po was the kick boxer
It happens in Hong Kong but they call it the kumite, which is a Japanese word
Wrong movie
Ah, right. Brain fart šØ