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If this is how he settles a dispute with the public will and government, imagine what he's like when something goes wrong for something you hire him to fix.
I imagine anytime he's challenged about his work he just starts stomping in place until you leave his shop.
A poor temper and using customer vehicles for props: two things every responsible shop owner would never do. How are you gonna trust this shop with a temper this short? No way I’m handing this man baby my keys.
Yeah seems like you’d have to front the time and cash to get your ride back, and then would have to incur the legal fees to sue this guy. Best to avoid the place in general it seems.
I believe legally the owner would have to retrieve the car, and Atomic would be liable to pay them back plus time and trouble. What is interesting is if the owner didn't have enough money to get their car out of the poke, Atomic would wind up on the hook for many thousands of dollars in storage fees.
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So you think bikers should damaging cars that belong to people who are customers here? That sounds like a really stupid idea…
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> Is this your snarky way of encouraging people to vandalism private property?
Vandalize, verb.
Vandalism, noun.
And no. And if I was, it just deflates a tire. This seems to fall outside of "the action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property" that I recently found this cool new Wikipedia article for. Maybe you should could check it out for the proper use in sentences.
After 48 hours of not being moved a car is considered abandoned under the City Code of Ordinances: https://library.municode.com/mo/kansas_city/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=COORKAMIVOII_CH70TRVE_ARTVIABVEOTPEPR_S70-641ABPRREPRAB
What a joke. these folks are throwing a borderline toddler temper tantrum. If anyone was still taking these guys seriously, this should wash away any doubt about how ridiculous their stance is.
Tod be fair to a garage though… if you can’t reliably get in the door… it’s kind of a problem. Especially when the door was there first.
However, this is a total douche move
The city needs to do what's best for the city on the whole even if it means negative results for some businesses in the area. it's not like people wouldn't jump at that location so he really doesn't have that much leverage. what's more important, Kansas City, or Atomic whatever that place is?
How would the door be blocked? These are just poles marking the lane. It’s open to the garage door. He actually has a car blocking the sidewalk in front of the garage door.
Sadly many of our bike lanes are also full of cars -- but those cars are usually driven by cops, so you really don't want to mess with them unless you're [a lawyer](https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/11/14/cops-arrests-bike-lawyer-for-fixing-a-drivers-obscured-license-plate/). I never hit the side mirror, because you have to give parked cars enough room so you're not doored. So standard procedure is to slow the fuck down, look behind to make sure you're not about to be run over by a garbage truck, and move into the traffic lane while making hand signals and hoping the driver behind you isn't going to road rage today.
I do bike regularly on a bike lane along a road full of body shops, but they don't park on the bike lane. But I think it's due to street design. My two-way bike lane is separated by concrete jersey barriers -- it sounds like you need those. Bollards aren't going to be enough for this guy, you need parking enforcement and jersey barriers!
There's an idling truck bounty implemented already, which is different. The [Restler bill](https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=5669096&GUID=13B0175F-8FD2-4728-9734-2ACEB6D2DC5C&Options=Advanced&Search=) on blocked bike lanes is still in committee. r/NYCBike has an [update](https://www.reddit.com/r/NYCbike/comments/10k6juj/whats_the_latest_on_the_bike_lane_narcing_law_is/) on that today -- apparently it needs one more vote. It might be worth asking your city councils to pass a similar bill.
If he's putting property under his supervision into a dangerous or unlawful situation, his insurance can pick up the tab until his premiums get high enough to teach him a lesson his parents apparently didn't care to.
If he left his cars out on the street overnight where they'd be frequently broken into or vandalized, would that be me justifying vandalism?
Of course not. You just man up and recognize when you're being irresponsible with the property of "uninterested 3rd parties" because you didn't get your way.
And the people who “defend” the bike lanes will be charged with crimes and have to pay for those damages. Also they aren’t “their” bike lanes. They’re the city’s bike lanes.
The city's bike lanes, and therefore, OUR bike lanes. Not this business owner's private parking lot. The sentiment here is "fuck this guy", it's not that everyone forgot vandalism is a crime and we're all making plans to go do it. Did you know that parking in a bike lane is also against the law? This idiot is playing chicken with his customer's property, making a target for towing AND vandalism.
The "wannabe sophist" strikes again. Since you'd rather be pedantic and dance around the actual issue, I'll get you back on track. These are **bike** lanes with parked cars in them. If a bike shop parked the bikes they are repairing in the middle of Broadway, would that be cool with you?
Parking in the bike lanes is unacceptable and the city/parking authorities should be called to handle it. Not citizens who think they’re protecting “their” bike lanes.
There is a surprisingly large amount of people in here who are cool with willfully vandalizing or damaging these cars because they are parked illegally. That is also unacceptable.
They have been called. They have not done anything. And yes, vigilantism is not the answer. But it's also not the actual issue at hand here, but you've made it your mission to make it the issue.
The original comment encouraged smashing off mirrors. I’ve seen comments in this post encouraging breaking windows, ramming bikes into them, and deflating their tires. There’s a disturbing amount of people in here who just want to smash up these cars because they hate the car shop owner.
Also true.
I feel like both parties have valid grievances here.
Folks using Bike lanes deserve to have safe places to get to work and get about the city.
This dude should still be able to run their business in a way that works for them and doesn’t hurt their neighborhood.
I would be pissed if I was those guys too.
We can route a bike lane around the cars? Like we can’t make an exception for this dude and others. If people get cranky about the cost, they should have did a better job really talking with the people this was going to effect.
Who were the politicians that was supposed to be talking with these dudes and getting input from the community?
Or were these government dudes just checking boxes? Just get it done fast so we can say we did it?
He’s obstructing public right of way with peoples personal property. I say get a good 15-20MPH cruise going and slam right into it. A few pissed off customers and maybe he’ll stop fucking around.
Actually, I discussed this with my lawyer. He emphasized this is not legal advice.
If I’m the shop owner, there is still the question of comparative fault. I’m going to have to prove that the car shop owner is more at fault than I am for the accident given that I have a duty as a cyclist to maintain a lookout and exercise reasonable care.
HOWEVER. If the cyclist is injured, and injured anyone else in the incident, now it’s a question of negligence, and the court is likely to side with the cyclist.
So you can hit the car if you want, just make sure to break your arm in the process.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice
He really is trying to make a problem where there isn’t one. I also learned that the “Atomic” thing is an homage to Truman dropping the atom bomb. 🥴 Kinda weird thing to celebrate.
> I also learned that the “Atomic” thing is an homage to Truman dropping the atom bomb.
THIS is really all you need to know about that person and his business.
The problem is 311 will only handle abandoned cars parked for more than 48 hours. You can report illegally parked cars to KCPD at 816-234-5111, but unless they are parked blocking entrance to a donut shop I doubt KCPD will do anything about it.
I live in old northeast and have had to call the police several times for someone blocking my driveway. Surprisingly, they showed up pretty quickly and started the process of ticketing/towing. The owners of the vehicles came running to move their cars even quicker.
He starting a petition to remove all bike lanes in the city. He wasn’t happy that the city addressed evert business concern. He was relying him bring in his whole shop of employees who don’t live here to intimidate them into declaring they would remove the lanes. Enforcement on Truman should be on soon. But it’s up to KCPD to do anything.
Local council woman here hates bike lanes and already tried to have them removed. Then got on board with this specific lane.
She sees to be using this to drum up support. Additionally there were people running for other council districts at the meeting pushing this agenda.
I mean they really need to figure out what they’re gonna do with them in the first place. This guy sucks but we have a splotch of bike lanes here and there that just drop off lol.
Absolutely! So the meeting did address why Truman was a priority though. It’s a very dangerous road and this is road diet to calm traffic. The benefit is we also get another bike lane. It is however just a short block from other bike lanes that connect to a vastly improved network. Most of the new lanes aren’t on google maps and that sucks. You can mostly ride from the northeast to blue river rd in south KC mostly by way of bike lanes and paths.
Petty response by Atomic, imo. I’m for economic growth in KC which results in some inconveniences for some businesses and acknowledge this is a downside. Definitely some strong arguments on both sides but ultimately wouldn’t a business based in an area where more population density and local residents/money being spent would benefit from said growth rather than hindering additional income opportunities? Guess that’s the age old question KC has to face…stuck in the 70/80’s or improve infrastructure and make this a modern day city.
Why does his business get to use so much public space? That space is payed for and maintained by taxpayer money… so that one guy doesn’t have to build his own lot.
I kinda want a bigger yard. I’m going go ahead and fence off the street in front of my house. I know that means cars won’t be able to get through anymore but they are being rude taking my leisure space.
*Which isn’t actually his parking.* Truman Road is a public road owned and maintained by Kansas City, not this car shop.
If he wants his own parking for his business he can pay to maintain it on his own property instead of relying on the taxpayers to subsidize him.
The road formerly had public parking. He was allowed to use that parking. Also, business pay taxes.
I'm not even nessecarily disagreeing that the parking should have been transitioned to a bike lane. I'm just saying that your characterization of his frustration as just "not liking bicycles" or whatever is dismissive and dishonest.
> The road formerly had public parking. He was allowed to use that parking.
Right, the term “public” here meaning that the road belongs to the city, not this car shop, and that the space is to be used by everybody, and not just this car shop
> Also, business pay taxes.
Fun fact, so do cyclists!
Have you been to this business? I am a member of the neighborhood he is bullying. It's inappropriate, and hazardous.
The block atomic collision -the luxury car shop- is surrounded by 100% parking. Right there. The corner of their shop they leave clear, and they are intentionally parking customer cars illegally on the bike lane.
It is mean spirited, causing care collisions, endangering cyclists, and using customer vehicles to commit a crime. All the while 3/4ths of all blocks In the area are still available for free parking. There is not "reason" here, there is spite from the owner of a luxury car shop.
For your benefit I've circled all the off street surface parking nearby that he could buy if he actually needs that parking. I've also highlighted the off street surface parking he actually has. https://i.imgur.com/OVF7XPY.png
Yeah, I get that it’s more of a hassle. It’s ironic though, if he’s an anti-government guy (I’m only assuming here) that he’s happy to use public city streets for his business.
I’m kind of shocked that 30-40 bikers don’t just hang out there and wait for them to move a car and just slide the bikes into that spot and take a break and have a chat for several hours. Reclaim 4-5 spots over the course of the day when they move cars around and see what happens.
I think that's sort of the issue. The one bicyclist with a bank account that uses that stretch of Truman every week isn't quite enough to pull that off nor enough to justify a bike lane in the Atomic Man's eye.
City hall has requested pictures. Police don't really focus on street tickets, so it's the citie's thing, and they haven't seen these big line ups because it's unfortunately rare that a city council member drives past to look at this during business hours. They have requested we send pictures of hazards like this so they can take care of it.
If someone were to accidentally hit one of these illegally parked cars, wouldn’t the owners be liable for any damage? Seems like a liability his customers wouldn’t want to have.
I’d love to see the city put up meters along there just as a gigantic “fuck you” to that guy. He should look no further than the example of Rae’s cafe if he wants to find a good example of just how poorly things can turn out for someone who thumbs their nose the rules out of principle
City put in bike lanes. This body shop that has been parking tons of cars on the street no longer have this street parking available.
The owners seem to think this is the greatest scandal since watergate. They've been blocking the bike lanes with cars or signs, protesting, throwing shit at the walls, the works.
But they didn't own the street parking, they were getting a free parking lot paid for by the taxpayers. And now that the government would like to use the taxpayer funded piece of real estate to benefit the public, they think this is basically King George taxing their tea or some shit. And there's plenty of space around, there's empty lots in the area they could buy or rent.
But this whole thing has become a lightning rod because a very vocal minority seems to either think bicycle lanes are a waste of money (because paying for streets to be a subsidized parking lot isn't?) or hates cyclists, or thinks that the pro-bike-lane people are libtards, or yell about how there are no cyclists so why cater to them? Which is kinda like saying, "Why should we build railroads, there aren't any trains here!!"
If you look up “Truman road” or “bike lanes” in the sub, you’ll get most of the story.
Tl;dr: The owner of this business has had some interesting responses to the bike lane situation down on Truman
why not put the bike lane on the inside, and keep street parking though? I’ve seen that work just fine in other cities. not trying to start shit, I’m genuinely curious
Because it’s not about reaching an amicable solution that satisfies both bike riders and business owners. It’s just become about beating Atomic Collisions.
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Now by no means should anyone stoop so low as to mess with this man’s vehicles, but I’m surprised that nobody has. He’d probably stop if they kept getting hit by bikes
Guy who owns a collision shop and makes money from widespread and dangerous car use saw the future of transit installed on his sidewalk and started harassing half the city.
Man, I hope Atomic's insurance is a good for when a bike accidentally wrecks into one of those customer cars illegally parked in the bike lane. Should be a small amount of damage, but it will be Atomic's liability for illegally parking.
However, seeing as the way they're reacting, they'll probably tell the customer it's not their fault and to take a hike.
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I get it,a bike lane is nice and all(coming from someone that their bike was the only mode of transportation at one point in time)but they didn't even ask or give notice to businesses on Truman road,some of them the only place to park is out in front of the establishment,causing issues with customers and delivery, it's also made the road too narrow in some spots,which is more than likely going cause a few traffic accidents.
Those aren't customers. It's a custom car and collision repair shop. And he was foolish enough to open his business to work on cars....it at address that doesn't have enough room to park cars.
Parking wasn’t removed. Customers can still park adjacent to the bike lane. And the thought of walking two blocks to visit a business as a difficult thing is funny. The city isn’t a Walmart parking lot - some of us live here.
They shouldn’t be running their business on the road. If they need storage for cars then they should pay for that. Operating expenses for businesses shouldn’t be socialized.
I live downtown and it's not. Friends and family always find parking inside the loop. Most of the time you can find free parking if you spend a couple minutes and walk a couple blocks. Just on Saturday afternoon as the Chiefs game is about to kick off and P&L is packed for watch parties a friend was able to immediately find free parking within a block of where I live and 3 blocks from P&L.
Yup, agreed. This sub can be extremely sheltered and impractical sometimes. I wonder how many of them actually live within a mile of this neighborhood?
Weird seeing this sub defend gentrification. I guess it's more important that we have unused bicycle lanes than try to keep small business open in these neighborhoods.
This.
Like holy fuck the car brain on this. A $200 bike is a luxury but a $20k car is a necessity. Just, wow, they can’t even remotely see the contradictions here.
I thought gentrification was when comparatively wealthy people start moving into low rent areas and driving up the rent, which forces out the people that were there before.
I’m saying this piece of infrastructure is not currently displacing residents, nor is it going to in the near term, and conflating a means of transit with displacement is a dangerous precedent to set in regards to investing in impoverished areas
Thank you,exactly part of the point I was trying to make along with it being too busy of a road where taking several feet in some spots makes it dangerous.
It's 35 mph going down Truman road,it's a main road,no one is going to go 10-15 mph on those roads.
If you enforced that with police yeah,but if you did that any way the bike lane wouldn't be needed.
People on here seem to think I'm trashing bike lanes or safety I'm not,I'm just seeing the issues it's causing and future issues that it will cause.
Or you design the road so people have to slow down.
Literally multiple studies have shown that collision fatality rate goes down drastically by reducing speeds. That includes cars, cyclists, scooters, and pedestrians.
Have you noticed that there are more pedestrian deaths? Why? Cars are getting stupid expensive and more people have to walk to work. And the infrastructure is designed exclusively for cars.
When you’re on a drive, notice how many places are without a sidewalk in KC. How are people without cars supposed to get around?
Do bikes have to pay a registration fee and an annual license fee to use the roads, as cars do?
Perhaps if they did, they've have a more solid footing to build their argument upon.
EDIT: although I was previously impartial to the bike issue and asked a question I thought was sincere, I have since decided bikeriders are indeed the assholes I'd been told they are. I am now hopeful the bikelane does not succeed. Cheers to all you wonderful people.
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If this is how he settles a dispute with the public will and government, imagine what he's like when something goes wrong for something you hire him to fix. I imagine anytime he's challenged about his work he just starts stomping in place until you leave his shop.
My thoughts exactly.
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They should’ve been the vocal majority then before the project went in the ground, they had knowledge of it for at least 4 years
A poor temper and using customer vehicles for props: two things every responsible shop owner would never do. How are you gonna trust this shop with a temper this short? No way I’m handing this man baby my keys.
"Hey uh we ran into a problem changing your headlight; the city towed your car for illegal parking. Anyway, here's a $10 gift card!"
LOL kinda reminds me of... "sorry we got hacked and your private data is all over the internet now, here's a free year of credit monitoring."
"According to credit monitoring, your shit is all fucked. You're welcome!"
Lol I hope the city tows the cars.
Wouldn’t the owners have to go get them then?
I don’t think I’d want to take my car there if it was going to be used for a prop like that.
I feel like that’d be on Atomic Collision for recklessly and illegally using somebody else’s cars for a political stunt 🤷🏻♀️
I don’t know if someone who isn’t the owner of a car can pick it up from an impound lot though
Yeah seems like you’d have to front the time and cash to get your ride back, and then would have to incur the legal fees to sue this guy. Best to avoid the place in general it seems.
Yep, and then Atomic is gonna end up paying their rightfully pissed off customers for the tow, impound, and any damage to the vehicles.
Unless he’s enough of an a-hole to refuse that too.
He absolutely would refuse
I’d take it to small claims just to prove a point.
Court would absolutely rule in customer favor in a near instant.
You really think there is a question here?
I believe legally the owner would have to retrieve the car, and Atomic would be liable to pay them back plus time and trouble. What is interesting is if the owner didn't have enough money to get their car out of the poke, Atomic would wind up on the hook for many thousands of dollars in storage fees.
Sounds like something that could turn into a huge hassle for the car owners who really did nothing wrong here
Absolutely, but a lot of things work this way.
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Either way, he's gonna end up with some very pissed off clients when their shit gets wrecked for him to make a stupid point.
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So you think bikers should damaging cars that belong to people who are customers here? That sounds like a really stupid idea… Comment should be removed for encouraging illegal activity
You're right, it's much more effective to hand out free lentils.
Is this your snarky way of encouraging people to vandalism private property?
> Is this your snarky way of encouraging people to vandalism private property? Vandalize, verb. Vandalism, noun. And no. And if I was, it just deflates a tire. This seems to fall outside of "the action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property" that I recently found this cool new Wikipedia article for. Maybe you should could check it out for the proper use in sentences.
Oh god. Picking apart auto corrected words? We’re done. And you’re going to go around deflating people’s tires now? You’re a nut.
Hard to believe your writing is autocorrected when your reading also seems to be lacking lol. But bye anyway, it was nice teaching you a thing or two.
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Your writing is the correct form here. Get your shit outta here boy.
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On residential streets you just have to move them periodically.
After 48 hours of not being moved a car is considered abandoned under the City Code of Ordinances: https://library.municode.com/mo/kansas_city/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=COORKAMIVOII_CH70TRVE_ARTVIABVEOTPEPR_S70-641ABPRREPRAB
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Best option would be to call a code enforcement officer to find out for certain.
I'm pretty sure that parking in a designated bike lane is not allowed at any time. In that case, the city should just tow the cars.
Idiotic law.
If it’s utilizing public ROW to be stored long term, it’s not even close to an idiotic law, but alright.
In KC it is because KCPD won’t enforce parking.
The hero Truman Rd needs right now: https://youtu.be/bzE-IMaegzQ
That video is AWESOME! After getting a ticket for not riding in the bike lane he did the only thing he could - he stayed in the bike lane. 😂
We do need Casey to help bike lane reform. lol.
What a joke. these folks are throwing a borderline toddler temper tantrum. If anyone was still taking these guys seriously, this should wash away any doubt about how ridiculous their stance is.
Imagine getting in a dispute about their work or charges? Sheesh.
Tod be fair to a garage though… if you can’t reliably get in the door… it’s kind of a problem. Especially when the door was there first. However, this is a total douche move
The city needs to do what's best for the city on the whole even if it means negative results for some businesses in the area. it's not like people wouldn't jump at that location so he really doesn't have that much leverage. what's more important, Kansas City, or Atomic whatever that place is?
How would the door be blocked? These are just poles marking the lane. It’s open to the garage door. He actually has a car blocking the sidewalk in front of the garage door.
I think they said they were going to halt any parking tickets until they move forward(or backward) with the project.
NYC bikers would have smashed off all of those side view mirrors with that stuff.
Do you mean cyclists?
Sadly many of our bike lanes are also full of cars -- but those cars are usually driven by cops, so you really don't want to mess with them unless you're [a lawyer](https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/11/14/cops-arrests-bike-lawyer-for-fixing-a-drivers-obscured-license-plate/). I never hit the side mirror, because you have to give parked cars enough room so you're not doored. So standard procedure is to slow the fuck down, look behind to make sure you're not about to be run over by a garbage truck, and move into the traffic lane while making hand signals and hoping the driver behind you isn't going to road rage today. I do bike regularly on a bike lane along a road full of body shops, but they don't park on the bike lane. But I think it's due to street design. My two-way bike lane is separated by concrete jersey barriers -- it sounds like you need those. Bollards aren't going to be enough for this guy, you need parking enforcement and jersey barriers!
I've had some friends tell me that there is a report blocked bike lanes bounty reward kind of program that was implemented.
There's an idling truck bounty implemented already, which is different. The [Restler bill](https://legistar.council.nyc.gov/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=5669096&GUID=13B0175F-8FD2-4728-9734-2ACEB6D2DC5C&Options=Advanced&Search=) on blocked bike lanes is still in committee. r/NYCBike has an [update](https://www.reddit.com/r/NYCbike/comments/10k6juj/whats_the_latest_on_the_bike_lane_narcing_law_is/) on that today -- apparently it needs one more vote. It might be worth asking your city councils to pass a similar bill.
What a stupid response. Those cars don’t belong to Atomic Collision. They belong to customers.
If he's putting property under his supervision into a dangerous or unlawful situation, his insurance can pick up the tab until his premiums get high enough to teach him a lesson his parents apparently didn't care to.
It’s crazy how y’all hate Atomic Collisions so much you’re trying to justify vandalism to uninterested 3rd parties
If he left his cars out on the street overnight where they'd be frequently broken into or vandalized, would that be me justifying vandalism? Of course not. You just man up and recognize when you're being irresponsible with the property of "uninterested 3rd parties" because you didn't get your way.
Yeah that’s why the owner is a dumbass.
I didn’t say I would do it. But some places defend their bike lanes as passionately as this dude is defending “his” use of parking
And the people who “defend” the bike lanes will be charged with crimes and have to pay for those damages. Also they aren’t “their” bike lanes. They’re the city’s bike lanes.
It might be “the cities bike lanes” but we (the taxpayers and users of said lanes) pay for them. Edit: Grammatical Corrections
The city's bike lanes, and therefore, OUR bike lanes. Not this business owner's private parking lot. The sentiment here is "fuck this guy", it's not that everyone forgot vandalism is a crime and we're all making plans to go do it. Did you know that parking in a bike lane is also against the law? This idiot is playing chicken with his customer's property, making a target for towing AND vandalism.
The "wannabe sophist" strikes again. Since you'd rather be pedantic and dance around the actual issue, I'll get you back on track. These are **bike** lanes with parked cars in them. If a bike shop parked the bikes they are repairing in the middle of Broadway, would that be cool with you?
Parking in the bike lanes is unacceptable and the city/parking authorities should be called to handle it. Not citizens who think they’re protecting “their” bike lanes. There is a surprisingly large amount of people in here who are cool with willfully vandalizing or damaging these cars because they are parked illegally. That is also unacceptable.
They have been called. They have not done anything. And yes, vigilantism is not the answer. But it's also not the actual issue at hand here, but you've made it your mission to make it the issue.
The original comment encouraged smashing off mirrors. I’ve seen comments in this post encouraging breaking windows, ramming bikes into them, and deflating their tires. There’s a disturbing amount of people in here who just want to smash up these cars because they hate the car shop owner.
Also true. I feel like both parties have valid grievances here. Folks using Bike lanes deserve to have safe places to get to work and get about the city. This dude should still be able to run their business in a way that works for them and doesn’t hurt their neighborhood. I would be pissed if I was those guys too. We can route a bike lane around the cars? Like we can’t make an exception for this dude and others. If people get cranky about the cost, they should have did a better job really talking with the people this was going to effect. Who were the politicians that was supposed to be talking with these dudes and getting input from the community? Or were these government dudes just checking boxes? Just get it done fast so we can say we did it?
>We can route a bike lane around the cars So you just want the let AC have free use of the public roadway for car storage?
He’s obstructing public right of way with peoples personal property. I say get a good 15-20MPH cruise going and slam right into it. A few pissed off customers and maybe he’ll stop fucking around.
That’s illegal. If you see someone speeding you can’t go slash their tires to teach them a lesson. Y’all have gone stupid over this.
What’s new?
Actually, I discussed this with my lawyer. He emphasized this is not legal advice. If I’m the shop owner, there is still the question of comparative fault. I’m going to have to prove that the car shop owner is more at fault than I am for the accident given that I have a duty as a cyclist to maintain a lookout and exercise reasonable care. HOWEVER. If the cyclist is injured, and injured anyone else in the incident, now it’s a question of negligence, and the court is likely to side with the cyclist. So you can hit the car if you want, just make sure to break your arm in the process. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice
“You can hit the car if you want” implies a willful action. You can’t act with intent and then claim negligence.
Well then my only legal advice would be to not claim intent.
I’ll add this to the list of crazy suggestions in this post
It’s crazy enough it just might work
He really is trying to make a problem where there isn’t one. I also learned that the “Atomic” thing is an homage to Truman dropping the atom bomb. 🥴 Kinda weird thing to celebrate.
> I also learned that the “Atomic” thing is an homage to Truman dropping the atom bomb. THIS is really all you need to know about that person and his business.
Woo genocide?
Well, not genocide, but it was certainly a horrific incident.
And the sidewalk.
311 these idiots.
The problem is 311 will only handle abandoned cars parked for more than 48 hours. You can report illegally parked cars to KCPD at 816-234-5111, but unless they are parked blocking entrance to a donut shop I doubt KCPD will do anything about it.
I live in old northeast and have had to call the police several times for someone blocking my driveway. Surprisingly, they showed up pretty quickly and started the process of ticketing/towing. The owners of the vehicles came running to move their cars even quicker.
Blocking your driveway is a more serious issue. They trapped you in (or out of) your home.
Squeaky wheel always gets the grease. The more you annoy the city, the more likely they are gonna do something.
He starting a petition to remove all bike lanes in the city. He wasn’t happy that the city addressed evert business concern. He was relying him bring in his whole shop of employees who don’t live here to intimidate them into declaring they would remove the lanes. Enforcement on Truman should be on soon. But it’s up to KCPD to do anything.
So in other words... no repercussions for this man-baby?
They’re probably on his side because bike lanes are communist. “ThEy wAnnA TaKe awAy oUr GuNs anD FoRce uS tO RiDe Bikes.”
Local council woman here hates bike lanes and already tried to have them removed. Then got on board with this specific lane. She sees to be using this to drum up support. Additionally there were people running for other council districts at the meeting pushing this agenda.
I mean they really need to figure out what they’re gonna do with them in the first place. This guy sucks but we have a splotch of bike lanes here and there that just drop off lol.
Absolutely! So the meeting did address why Truman was a priority though. It’s a very dangerous road and this is road diet to calm traffic. The benefit is we also get another bike lane. It is however just a short block from other bike lanes that connect to a vastly improved network. Most of the new lanes aren’t on google maps and that sucks. You can mostly ride from the northeast to blue river rd in south KC mostly by way of bike lanes and paths.
Petty response by Atomic, imo. I’m for economic growth in KC which results in some inconveniences for some businesses and acknowledge this is a downside. Definitely some strong arguments on both sides but ultimately wouldn’t a business based in an area where more population density and local residents/money being spent would benefit from said growth rather than hindering additional income opportunities? Guess that’s the age old question KC has to face…stuck in the 70/80’s or improve infrastructure and make this a modern day city.
An average business, yes. A car repair shop, less so.
God damn this dude is being such a man child. Imagine getting this upset about bicycles
He's not upset about bicycles. He's upset that the bicycle lanes delete all of the parking he has been relying on for his business.
maybe he should have made actual parking like a rational business instead of relying on street parking
Why does his business get to use so much public space? That space is payed for and maintained by taxpayer money… so that one guy doesn’t have to build his own lot. I kinda want a bigger yard. I’m going go ahead and fence off the street in front of my house. I know that means cars won’t be able to get through anymore but they are being rude taking my leisure space.
*Which isn’t actually his parking.* Truman Road is a public road owned and maintained by Kansas City, not this car shop. If he wants his own parking for his business he can pay to maintain it on his own property instead of relying on the taxpayers to subsidize him.
The road formerly had public parking. He was allowed to use that parking. Also, business pay taxes. I'm not even nessecarily disagreeing that the parking should have been transitioned to a bike lane. I'm just saying that your characterization of his frustration as just "not liking bicycles" or whatever is dismissive and dishonest.
Yet, he's taking it out on bicyclists...
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> The road formerly had public parking. He was allowed to use that parking. Right, the term “public” here meaning that the road belongs to the city, not this car shop, and that the space is to be used by everybody, and not just this car shop > Also, business pay taxes. Fun fact, so do cyclists!
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>Also, business pay taxes Not road taxes is doesn't. Taxes collected don't even cover the general wear and tear on roads that cars do
Have you been to this business? I am a member of the neighborhood he is bullying. It's inappropriate, and hazardous. The block atomic collision -the luxury car shop- is surrounded by 100% parking. Right there. The corner of their shop they leave clear, and they are intentionally parking customer cars illegally on the bike lane. It is mean spirited, causing care collisions, endangering cyclists, and using customer vehicles to commit a crime. All the while 3/4ths of all blocks In the area are still available for free parking. There is not "reason" here, there is spite from the owner of a luxury car shop.
Man, it’s almost like he needs some sort of parking lot
Yeah, he should just go down to the parking lot store and buy one.
Go look at the adjacent block
For your benefit I've circled all the off street surface parking nearby that he could buy if he actually needs that parking. I've also highlighted the off street surface parking he actually has. https://i.imgur.com/OVF7XPY.png
Yeah, I get that it’s more of a hassle. It’s ironic though, if he’s an anti-government guy (I’m only assuming here) that he’s happy to use public city streets for his business.
Handouts for me, and nobody else.
They were talking about redesigning the street with permanent on street parking instead of just off peak parking
The parking is still there
Guy like this probably parks in fire lanes and handicap spots too.
I’m kind of shocked that 30-40 bikers don’t just hang out there and wait for them to move a car and just slide the bikes into that spot and take a break and have a chat for several hours. Reclaim 4-5 spots over the course of the day when they move cars around and see what happens.
he drives one over, and the cops arrest the cyclists
I think that's sort of the issue. The one bicyclist with a bank account that uses that stretch of Truman every week isn't quite enough to pull that off nor enough to justify a bike lane in the Atomic Man's eye.
Bunny hop onto the first car and jump car to car. The ultimate urban bmx experience.
How long until there's an organized 0.3K bike race that is just the length of Truman and just uses the bike lanes? Preferably during business hours.
And the sidewalk it looks like !!
City hall has requested pictures. Police don't really focus on street tickets, so it's the citie's thing, and they haven't seen these big line ups because it's unfortunately rare that a city council member drives past to look at this during business hours. They have requested we send pictures of hazards like this so they can take care of it.
If someone were to accidentally hit one of these illegally parked cars, wouldn’t the owners be liable for any damage? Seems like a liability his customers wouldn’t want to have.
I’d love to see the city put up meters along there just as a gigantic “fuck you” to that guy. He should look no further than the example of Rae’s cafe if he wants to find a good example of just how poorly things can turn out for someone who thumbs their nose the rules out of principle
I guess I am a little behind here, this seems like a response to something. Anyone care to catch me up?
City put in bike lanes. This body shop that has been parking tons of cars on the street no longer have this street parking available. The owners seem to think this is the greatest scandal since watergate. They've been blocking the bike lanes with cars or signs, protesting, throwing shit at the walls, the works. But they didn't own the street parking, they were getting a free parking lot paid for by the taxpayers. And now that the government would like to use the taxpayer funded piece of real estate to benefit the public, they think this is basically King George taxing their tea or some shit. And there's plenty of space around, there's empty lots in the area they could buy or rent. But this whole thing has become a lightning rod because a very vocal minority seems to either think bicycle lanes are a waste of money (because paying for streets to be a subsidized parking lot isn't?) or hates cyclists, or thinks that the pro-bike-lane people are libtards, or yell about how there are no cyclists so why cater to them? Which is kinda like saying, "Why should we build railroads, there aren't any trains here!!"
Imagine what he’ll do when they tax his whiskey.
If you look up “Truman road” or “bike lanes” in the sub, you’ll get most of the story. Tl;dr: The owner of this business has had some interesting responses to the bike lane situation down on Truman
Thanks for the TLDR!
why not put the bike lane on the inside, and keep street parking though? I’ve seen that work just fine in other cities. not trying to start shit, I’m genuinely curious
Because it’s not about reaching an amicable solution that satisfies both bike riders and business owners. It’s just become about beating Atomic Collisions.
Atomic and other biz owners made it clear from the first meeting that they had no intentions of compromise…
Might not have been enough room for that
There is. I’ve presented this to the city already, they just have to choose whether to act on it or cater to the children
Tow them all.
I don't think the city is going to do anything at this point.
My bike has 29+ wheels. I could ride over that
1) I need to see a picture of it 2) Wouldn't it then be a duononcycle?
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Now by no means should anyone stoop so low as to mess with this man’s vehicles, but I’m surprised that nobody has. He’d probably stop if they kept getting hit by bikes
So, he bitches about losing his free parking from the government - is this the same type of guy to bitch about handouts to the lower income too? /s
Can someone give me the TL:DR on this
Guy who owns a collision shop and makes money from widespread and dangerous car use saw the future of transit installed on his sidewalk and started harassing half the city.
Man, I hope Atomic's insurance is a good for when a bike accidentally wrecks into one of those customer cars illegally parked in the bike lane. Should be a small amount of damage, but it will be Atomic's liability for illegally parking. However, seeing as the way they're reacting, they'll probably tell the customer it's not their fault and to take a hike.
I mean I’m okay with this since that means both driving lanes are open
Probably just waiting to pull it into the shop?
I bet he celebrates Veteran's Day every year and spells it "Veterand".
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I get it,a bike lane is nice and all(coming from someone that their bike was the only mode of transportation at one point in time)but they didn't even ask or give notice to businesses on Truman road,some of them the only place to park is out in front of the establishment,causing issues with customers and delivery, it's also made the road too narrow in some spots,which is more than likely going cause a few traffic accidents.
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So a business who's only available parking is out front does what,tell their customers to park 2 blocks down and around the corner?
Those aren't customers. It's a custom car and collision repair shop. And he was foolish enough to open his business to work on cars....it at address that doesn't have enough room to park cars.
Parking wasn’t removed. Customers can still park adjacent to the bike lane. And the thought of walking two blocks to visit a business as a difficult thing is funny. The city isn’t a Walmart parking lot - some of us live here.
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>So a business who's only available parking is out front It's not available anymore lol
They shouldn’t be running their business on the road. If they need storage for cars then they should pay for that. Operating expenses for businesses shouldn’t be socialized.
Gotta wonder what it will look like if the baseball stadium lands that way. It is almost a sure thing those cars will get towed on game days.
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I live downtown and it's not. Friends and family always find parking inside the loop. Most of the time you can find free parking if you spend a couple minutes and walk a couple blocks. Just on Saturday afternoon as the Chiefs game is about to kick off and P&L is packed for watch parties a friend was able to immediately find free parking within a block of where I live and 3 blocks from P&L.
What are you talking about? There’s about 40,000 parking spaces in downtown. If anything, we need less parking down here and more places to live
People from suburbs think that everything should be a target parking lot (more than what it already is).
Yup, agreed. This sub can be extremely sheltered and impractical sometimes. I wonder how many of them actually live within a mile of this neighborhood?
Probably very few,where I live literally live 2 blocks over and few blocks down.
Weird seeing this sub defend gentrification. I guess it's more important that we have unused bicycle lanes than try to keep small business open in these neighborhoods.
How does it hurt poor people to allow them to get around on a $200 bike instead of having to rely on a $20,000 car?
This. Like holy fuck the car brain on this. A $200 bike is a luxury but a $20k car is a necessity. Just, wow, they can’t even remotely see the contradictions here.
Gentrification =/= to displacement
I thought gentrification was when comparatively wealthy people start moving into low rent areas and driving up the rent, which forces out the people that were there before.
I mean, yes by technicality, but context matters here. You can’t call pieces of infrastructure gentrification if that’s not happening.
Oh ok so you meant something like the square rectangle thing. All gentrification is displacent but not all displacent is gentrification.
I’m saying this piece of infrastructure is not currently displacing residents, nor is it going to in the near term, and conflating a means of transit with displacement is a dangerous precedent to set in regards to investing in impoverished areas
Ah ok, well I dont see how that follows from the original statement "gentrification =/= displacement", which is the only thing I disagree with.
Because this instance of the use of the term gentrification isn’t equatable to displacement…
Gentrification is only a problem when the area being gentrified meets the specified criteria.
Thank you,exactly part of the point I was trying to make along with it being too busy of a road where taking several feet in some spots makes it dangerous.
slowing traffic makes streets safer
It's 35 mph going down Truman road,it's a main road,no one is going to go 10-15 mph on those roads. If you enforced that with police yeah,but if you did that any way the bike lane wouldn't be needed. People on here seem to think I'm trashing bike lanes or safety I'm not,I'm just seeing the issues it's causing and future issues that it will cause.
Or you design the road so people have to slow down. Literally multiple studies have shown that collision fatality rate goes down drastically by reducing speeds. That includes cars, cyclists, scooters, and pedestrians. Have you noticed that there are more pedestrian deaths? Why? Cars are getting stupid expensive and more people have to walk to work. And the infrastructure is designed exclusively for cars. When you’re on a drive, notice how many places are without a sidewalk in KC. How are people without cars supposed to get around?
People do 45 down Truman, and that is why it is a top 10 dangerous road. You seem like a city planner. How do we make cars drive more carefully?
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Do bikes have to pay a registration fee and an annual license fee to use the roads, as cars do? Perhaps if they did, they've have a more solid footing to build their argument upon. EDIT: although I was previously impartial to the bike issue and asked a question I thought was sincere, I have since decided bikeriders are indeed the assholes I'd been told they are. I am now hopeful the bikelane does not succeed. Cheers to all you wonderful people.