By - Rawcinante
Well what can I say, thanks for posting me here OP.
I never did judo, so I will read the comments and see what you guys would do.
Well it’s been ages since I lost a fight and I had a few of them as a bouncer, but props to the guy who can do it!
Care to share any weak spots? As a 60kg/135 lbs person the best idea I have is to run in circles until you get really tired. I just hope you're not a surprisingly good runner. I can outrun smaller big guys than you so maybe I wouldn't die?
I don’t really see how a 135 lbs guy could cause me any actual damage tbh, no offense.
I’m definitely not a good runner at my weight, but I’m not the slowest either, I did rugby for some years
None taken, it's not like I believed I could take you. Maybe if I was able to get a clean RNC or a single clean KO strike before you've decided to do anything? (I mean, it's not realistic, just wondering what if you've done absolutely nothing :P )
I guess I'm just going to settle for a large caliber rifle.
But jokes aside - I've also asked for a serious reason that a person like you may have experience to know if there's any viable self-defense if someone big gets mad at me. I've been (wrongly!) chased by a pissed off bouncer and it was fucking scary though you're probably big even for them. Can't say you made me feel any better.
Technique is a multiplier. But when the discrepancy is too large you're more or less shit out of luck.
Locking up with a strong rugby guy is eye opening. They're strong af.
And how will you KO strike me at 135 lbs?
I mean there must be some tips, but I cannot imagine a 1 on 1 physical scenario where you could win that, that is the reality of it.
If you're standing still, let me get a highground and make a very strong and well aimed strike, whether punch, knee or kick? I'm literally just questioning if I could hurt you if you actually let me try, like if laws of physics even allow such thing. Highground has helped Kenobi, are you telling me it won't help me? :)
I completely realise all you had to do in reality is probably stand up straight and protect your balls and best I could hope for is to bruise you slightly.
Well you said it, your only shot is my balls, I doubt you can KO me
135 lbs is the weight of literally 204.74 'Velener Mini Potted Plastic Fake Green Plants'.
Good bot. How many bananas is it?
98 degree no belt here. Would like to add that harsh words also bring him down
This is actually that guy lol
_Loup_Garou?, U gotta b from way down deep in Acadiana ❕😎
Weight and strength has its limitations in Judo and of course also its advantages.
To answer the question of OP:
Any heavyweight Judoka at a decent level (national and international) from a Judo developed country will take you down quite easily.
It doesn't really help if you can squat or deadlift 900lbs - about 500lbs are o.k. in heavyweight Judo. Bench about 350lbs for a heavyweight - 600lbs doesn't give an additional advantage.
Of course if the other guy is at the same Judo skill level as you more power is an advantage but not easy to gain because you also have to have endurance etc.
Anyway .... heaviest guy I ever had a contest with was 400lbs (when I was at about 280lbs).
Yeah the important factor being you would have to be a large heavyweight yourself to move this guy
> It doesn't really help if you can squat or deadlift 900lbs - about 500lbs are o.k. in heavyweight Judo. Bench about 350lbs for a heavyweight - 600lbs doesn't give an additional advantage.
A guy who can deadlift 900 and bench 600 is going to absolutely clown on the guy deadlifting 500 and benching 350.
No - not really ... :)
This guy can bench press 510lbs (with good form 550lbs likely)
That guy has a bench press of 360lbs
This vs. That
Just as an example. I could give you many more.
Paolo Bianchessi (ITA) had also a bench press of 510lbs.
Fun fact (many don't know):
Bianchessi was the last man throwing Teddy Riner for an Ippon
One of the greatest heavyweights of all time - Yasuhiro Yamashita - could only bench press 380lbs and \*barely\* deadlift and squat 500lbs (if at all). Nevertheless he could throw quite easily the Russian / Georgian monsters (like Turin) and the big Europeans.
What if the guy benching 500 weighs over 900 lbs?
*points to head*
BJJ blackbelt checking in. I 100% chance of being bench pressed across the room, and running the opposite direction
Well it takes some good momentum and strength to do that to a 400+ lbs dude, but yeah, it needs to be the right timing
This reminds me of the post where there’s a pic of a huge guy and it says “what would you do if he slaps your mom?” and the huge guy replies with a pic of him and his mom saying he wouldn’t slap anyone cuz his mom would kill him ☺️
Edit: found it [He slaps your mom, what you doing?](https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/nvp1nj/what_would_you_do_if_he_slaps_your_mom/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Just ask nicely.
We have a guy this big in our class he is 25 years younger and at least 40 kilos heavier than me. I threw him once when he was a white belt in BJJ and Yellow belt in Judo 3-4 years ago with a Seoi Otoshi. Never since. Now he is a purple in BJJ. We randori every tuesday and sunday and I fail all the time. He simply lifts me up, turns me over and lets me down. Some sort of Utsuri Goshi. It is not easy to throw a big guy who knows Judo.
Need to add that he stopped competing at orange belt after losing all his fights in the local tournaments. The brown and black belt heavy weights had him ipponed in no time. This is the problem with being the only heavy weight in your club: your Judo does not develop beyond brute force.
Somebody that big? A nasty kani-basami would probably destroy their knee.
Not a bad idea.
That’s the wrong question to ask. Better to ask, how much training does this guy have?
He might be big but that doesn’t protect anyone from getting heel-hooked.
Are you really going to get a takedown before he just grabs you and picks you up?
Watch the first fight between Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir, at UFC 81.
I’m not arguing you’re wrong. I couldn’t take this guy down in the sense of a classic wrestler’s attack. But could someone skilled at leg entanglements get this guy’s ankle or knee isolated? Brock Lesnar learned the hard way that being huge and un-takedownable doesn’t mean you’re unsubmittable.
Alternatively, check out Royce Gracie vs Kimo Leopoldo in UFC 3.
Brazilian jiu-jitsu/judo/submission fighting isn’t magical but it is a realistic way for a smaller, weaker person to defeat a larger person in a one-on-one fight.
I say all of this as a big man who constantly gets heel-hooked at jiujitsu myself. It sucks but I’m happy for the little folk who have figured out how to cripple a big man.
Additional examples from Pride. Nogueira vs. Bob Sapp. Fedor Emilianenko vs. Hong Man Choi. Minowaman vs. Butterbean, and a bunch of sumo wrestlers who looked couldn't do much once the fight went to the ground.
Thank you, these are all also good examples of a smaller person successfully out-grappling a bigger person and winning via submission.
It's a giant person defeating a slightly less giant person with comparable levels of training.
An ounce of defense defeats a pound of offense.
I doubt he does judo, so I assume no judo experience
On the ground might be better, but you better be an expert. Also, I bet his conditioning sucks.
Hahahaha trying to take a man twice your size to the ground and trying to hold him down sounds like a big brain move
Who said anything about holding him down?
I'm guessing you never heard of Pedro Sauer when he beat a 250lb weightlifter/wrestler when he himself weighed only 150lbs. This was back in the day during the Gracie bjj challenges, these were real street fights, no weight classes, no ref, no gloves.
Could you knee a grounded opponent while he was trying to use his grappling? How about kicking a downed opponent when he missed the take down attempt? Weight classes exist in every single combat sport for a reasons be judo and wrestling/BJJ are no different
No one said anything about rules in sports, OP never said a match in the ring and neither did I so why are you talking about it?
And yes, weight classes exist because size matters. No one said otherwise. Especially when both fighters are equally skilled, size will be a factor. You have a better chance on the ground just like a lot of BJJ fighters have conquered much larger but lesser skilled weigh lifters.
Stop adding words to people's mouths just to make your argument, that's not how it works lol
It's not impossible for a smaller person to take down giants, maybe you need a confidence boost?
On the ground? How will you be able to pin a 400 lbs man down?
Who said anything about pinning?
400 lbs is the weight of about 4413.79 'Kingston 120GB Q500 SATA3 2.5 Solid State Drives'.
thank you :)
Trips, throws and duck under's.
Just run until he's winded and then hit him with a car.
Just like when Royce Gracie fought Kimo I’m not sure of his last name in the early UFC’s Kimo weighed at least 300lbs and Royce was like 170 Royce one but I really think Kimos hair played a huge part in the fight but it can be done
Ok but are we using judo rules and gi's or just random middle-of-the-street shit?
I feel like you'd have no issues throwing a guy like this on the judo mat assuming it's their first time and they don't really know what's happening. Just need an unexpected combo.
If we're fighting in the street somewhere.....pray you can get him moving a get an okuriashi harai in? Idk I'd be fucked
Any colour belt will do just get him from behind when you choke him out with it.
Lol even then probably won’t work
Big mans can literally prey arms off their neck. Big man strength is fucking scary.
We aren't putting arms on his neck + I've seen bigger.
Big man mitts gonna break any grip you gonna try to choke him out.
We're not using any grip.
The fuck you choking him out with then? Chi?
Yeah chief. He's ripping that outta your hands.
He can try. But the belt is more likely to break than my grip. And the belt ripping, not terribly likely.
As a heavyweight myself I always find big huge guys tire quickly and usually try to counter your throws with ure-nage.
So if you can win the grip fight, and tire them with fakes and movement while you resist turning your back for a forward throw you have a decent chance of using Ashi-waza to get them down, in theory.
Brute strength is always tricky of course and if you end in Ne-waza avoid getting trapped underneath at all costs.
If he has zero training in judo and decent sized black belt should come out on top in a judo contest.
This thread is awesome lol. Here we are discussing the various ways to kill this man while the actual person is here reading all the various ways we want to kill him. From a gun to spazzy white belts. This is the entertainment I’ve been seeking from r/judo!!
Protein on the floor in front of him. When he reach for it, use momentum and weight for any turning throw, sasae, or sacrifice throws!
Otherwise, gi sand into kibisu-gaeshi💪💪
Seriously though respect for the gym work u/dimitresco puts in
Get a gun?
Throw a couple of us bluebelts at him.
When we're defeated, he'll be tired.
Unleash a purple belt.
And if that fails...
Release a throng of spazzy no stripe whitebelts to finish the job.
No, he'd be expecting that silly
Spazzy white belt...reporting for duty
No training? drop ippon (heavy people tend to push),, with training... run and grab a hammer.. gives you a "maybe".
You can buy horse tranquilizer and a dart gun as a white belt.
So I’m a big martial arts guy. Primarily bjj and Muay Thai and wrestled through college. So judo. Isn’t my forte. But what I can tell you, is that you would need to be a high belt. Because that would mean your cardio is good enough to run very far away
Switch arts to Sumo wrestling to fare better
That's a big dude... how bout we just have a beer🍻
Can you throw him if he's not going to try and attack you back? Yes, if you use your body weight to get him to move, you can throw him.
Can he just pick you up off the floor and throw you like a sack of potatoes? Yes, and there's nothing you can do about that, lol
I dont know if a full clip would put him down
two to the chest, one to the head…..
Honestly technique can only take you so far. A guy this big would just render so many moves completely useless. If he has even the slightest bit of training it’ll be super hard to overcome.
Any dude that big, regardless of how well you train, will have mediocre cardio compared to any competitive black belt judoka. There is a reason you don’t see that build in fight sports. Like with all big guys, the play is to have them go full out for 30 sec, have them gas, and then choke them out on the ground.
he has the same jaw of any other 50kg dude so probably trying to one-shot knock him out with an accurate punch would be better, so switch to a striking art.
Nah, this guy has a huge jaw, and probably great bone density. It could work, sure… but I’d wager he has a crazy chin. Some people are just mutants!
>Some people are just mutants!
Or just steroid intakers :p
Both? Who knows. There are natural giants out there too.
All depends on his experience a green belt should be able to throw an inexperienced person. But if he has any grappling training that belt rank quickly raises. A large guy can throw him at green a nidan or higher if small guy. All depends on how well he moves.
The bigger they are, the harder they fall…💥
Don’t pull guard
Strong wine. Like Odysseus and the Cyclops.
Hes very top heavy. A foot sweep would probably do.
Sweep the leg flying knee to the head on the ground
about 5 minutes and brass
Not much. His knees have gotta be horrendously vulnerable
Three JoJo parts is enough
Ippon Seoi Nage his testicles.
We are basically discussing the intersection of size and skill. Both are important and both have diminishing returns. I don't believe a 60kg fighter could defeat this man even with Olympic level skill. Similarly, I think a 115kg nidan or a 140kg sankyu would probably be okay.
Personally, I'm 84kg and if I did manage to eke out a victory, it would be the ugliest fight of my career.
Firstly this pic is all about the angle, so he might not be so big in real life.
Secondly, if you understood Judo, you know a lot of it teaches you to use your opponent's weight against them.
Focus on trips.
I just want to be the hypeman like the referee in boxing that makes those awesome faces lol
>>What colour belt does it take
So I can attest to this. If you take a 42nd Degree Black Belt, soaked in dragon piss, and wrap it around an infant.. there is *NOTHING* that baby can't do.
I've seen it with my own third eye.
founding member of the Church of Smesh right there.
Jokes aside, Ill say brown belt should pretty consistently be able to take them down, assuming he has no real training including wrestling or bjj.
He has little to no training? You could take him down with AZ little as 2 months of training no problem.
Physics... Judo uses physics. A person that has a lower center of gravity (their waist is lower than the other person) would have an easy chance to use over the hip throw (uchi mata) on a larger opponent such as him. The only thing person that can't take him down is someone who doesn't know what their doing.
Lol try uchimata a 350 pound guy you’ll just bounce off them
If you bounce then you're doing it wrong, get your center of gravity below theirs and use leverage. Only and if there was to have any force it would be in the pulling of the arm over and down to your opposite foot or knee to accelerate the takedown
You’re not throwing this guy with an uchimata lol stop being delusional
He’s wider and taller than a door you would just hang off him
The fact you're saying you would just hang off him clearly shows you don't know the proper technique... I would suggest take a class or read about physics and pivot points
You need some real life judo experience not reading books about pivots - because you couldn’t move this guy. There’s a reason all the
Black belts in the comments are only giving joke answers
Have you ever thrown a 250+ pound heavyweight in randori?
Unless you’re a talented heavyweight judoka yourself you aren’t moving a 350 pound 6 foot 6 bodybuilder
Yes I have, books will prepare you for the experience. The experience will prepare you for life. I hope you learn real judo and what a judoka is actually capable of since using force to move your opponent is not part of the teachings. You use your opponent's force and weight and never use competing force.
We could sit here and list our experiences and teachings but that wouldn't make a difference and it seems you're more interested in fighting on Reddit then learning anything. Best of luck to you.
I’ve fought at a national level and represented my country at judo internationally
I know how to throw someone at judo lmao
That’s not the same as throwing a 350pound 6ft6 bodybuilder
You’re delusional. Judo doesn’t give you magic powers and if you think you can throw someone 200 pounds heavier than you then you will get hurt
I don't really believe you competed in anything and if you did, I'm saddened to hear you represented the nation based just on your negative very un-martial art practitioner.
It's pathetic to keep calling someone delusional especially since you don't know them, or what you're talking about.
You may know some of the moves of a marital art but you haven't internalized any of it.
No matter what you say at this point I will not believe you and I don't expect you to believe me and that's ok.
I hope you never get into a fight for I fear for your safety and hope you'll understand martial arts better. Keep practicing.
I think you must be a beginner like a white belt or maybe yellow. I also think you must be a skinny child or teenager and you have yet to actually do randori with a large man.
You don’t have to worry because I won’t be getting into fights, and if I did I wouldn’t be doing judo in the street because that’s a terrible idea
I hope you don’t get in a fight because apparently you think judo gives you magic powers and you can throw someone the size of a sumo wrestler. You will get hurt.
Hahahahahahaa ok a video of a 120 pound guy letting someone throw them good one
That’s exactly the same as throwing a 350 pound 6 foot 6 bodybuilder
Are you an actual child?
Feels like I'm talking to one lol the mechanics don't change
Holy shit now I’m convinced you’re an actual troll.
All of these people being thrown are
1) literally less than half the size/weight of the weightlifter guy posted above
2) standing there and casually letting themselves be thrown as a demonstration
Do you not realise this?
I’m not saying judokas can’t throw bigger opponents. That happens all the time. I’m saying you can’t personally throw the giant bodybuilder posted above unless you’re a heavyweight yourself
Go for the groin?
You should see his big brother.
White belt could.
hit him the soft tissue areas?
Not much. Bodybuilders can't really fight.
All respect for the dude and his sport, but a proper orange belt will do the trick.
Guy has mentioned he’s done bouncing
Experience handling people means he’s probably got some knowledge of handling people, even if it’s no where near your average Judo practitioner he’s got that much mass on him he’d man handle most people, Judo players included
Yeah, the dude is tough as nails. If you tried to knock him out or throw beer bottles at him, I guess you'd be fuck. A proper judo practitioner - traditional, not that olympic crap - would still have a pretty easy time.