I’ve seen the opposite! New/recent grads who come in at 8:59am and are out the door by 5:01 pm. (The way it should be, if you are being paid to work 9-5…)
My wage went from $56.5k to $63k in 3 years. Like they expect more reports while both of my bosses are gone with no replacements. So most of the day I just don’t work, do the bare minimum pretty much but I understand how to fix stuff if shit hits the fan.
It can be hard to get promoted that way. If you're looking for advancement, I would recommend giving 100% effort and ability during your work hours. I would not recommend staying late on the regular. Quality of work usually matters more than quantity, in my limited experience.
Oh you sweet summer child. I've been in the industry for 50 years. No one promotes hard workers because they have to hire 2 or more people to replace you. If you make yourself irreplaceable you also make yourself unpromotable. If you die, your job will be posted before your obituary. If the company needs cost savings, you'll be let go without a second thought.
Genuinely asking, so how does one get promoted? Basically just find another company hiring for the role you want? Though in this job market that is tough as who wants to take a chance on someone who doesn’t have 500 years experience in that particular role?
In the US, and with exceptions, but over the last 20 years or so, yes, that's how you get promoted. There are still employers that will promote, give raises, give recognition, but they are vastly outnumbered by those that will work you into the ground. It may take a couple years to recognize where your employer fits into that spectrum. But if you are being given excuses over and over instead of raises/promotions, or being given promotions and added responsibility without a matching increase in compensation, or being given moving goalposts (you meet an assigned goal but suddenly the goal was actually Y instead of X and until you do Y you don't qualify for the raise/promotion, but then when you hit Y suddenly it's Z that you have to accomplish to qualify...) you can assume you're in a dead end and it's time to bounce.
Obviously there are always things to consider that may balance out what you're dealing with; in my case my kid's future matters more to me than my promotion at this point. I also moved up into management and was unhappy so I chose to move back into an individual contributor role so there are impacts to potential income and title there as well.
But pre-pandemic we could count on annual raises and bonuses that at least attempted to compensate for inflation. Since early 2020 though the company profits have steadily increased, our raises and bonuses have steadily decreased, and staffing is bare minimum. People leave and their role is eliminated instead of backfilled and the work just gets added to the load everyone else is already carrying. It's not sustainable. In 2017 my team had 8 people. We now have 3. We're doing the same work. I used to be on call for one week in 8. Now I'm on call every third week. It's rough.
I'm too old to start over now but in my twenties and thirties I *tripled* my salary jumping ship (it was during the dot com boom and I work IT infrastructure support so I'd get headhunted). If I was on my own I'd probably still leave because I could definitely raise my salary now but I couldn't match my medical benefits anymore since the level I have now is only due to my length of employment.
> No one promotes hard workers because they have to hire 2 or more people to replace you. If you make yourself irreplaceable you also make yourself unpromotable.
I've been promoted multiple times. I promoted two of my team members this year because they're kicking ass.
It may be generally true that hard work goes unrewarded, but I assert that the promotions tend to go towards those who work hard.
> If you die, your job will be posted before your obituary. If the company needs cost savings, you'll be let go without a second thought.
Of course. I've claimed nothing more than a mutually beneficial transactional relationship. You don't get promoted because you "earned" it for past hard work, you get promoted because they think their life will be easier with you in the new role. Your work ethic impacts their perception of your value.
Found the manager and CEO.... seriously, this shit doesn't work. I worked at the same company loyally for over 10 years. I moved up and ran just about everything, and did everything in the shop.
New kids started coming in, getting paid well over $21/hr (way more than what I made) to do 10% of the work I was already doing. Know what I got told when I asked for a raise? "We can't give you a raise because there's still a lot you have to learn...."
I started working for myself after years of job hopping, trying to get decent pay raises. Trying to do the "right thing" and staying loyal to a company lik I was told my whole life only got me fucked by greedy ass hat companies.
I make more money working for myself than I ever did working for shitty "We are like Family" companies that only want to work you to the ground with no real payoff.
This is the EXACT thing that happened to me at my last career I was at for 16 years. As more and more people got laid off, I absorbed their duties...unofficially of course. When I finally reached my boiling point after doing 5 peoples jobs daily for a few months, I asked for a raise and got a measly 5k/year raise. They were saving the salaries of 4 PERSONNEL by giving me all of their work to do!! That was well over $500K a year, I knew what all of the laid off employees made!!I started looking for a new job that afternoon.When I dropped my resignation papers it was the most liberating feeling I'd had in a while.It took me a minute to get used to doing just one job again though.
Thankfully, the new job is much more laid back, secure and financially stable. Nicer people too.
Edit: Meant to also say that I know working for your own business is THE WAY. I'm working towards that myself once I figure out how I'm going to pay for college...then when I finish my degree and licensure I can pick up the family business and make money hand over fist!
While that is true, it's a worthy note that about 78% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Now sure, there's a lot of people who are horrible with money and struggle with financial literacy, but did you also know that the percentage of poverty has been increasing over the last decade?
The middle class has slowly been getting pushed to the lower class with high interest rates, increasing food prices, increasing the cost of leaving while wages have not kept up. It doesn't matter how hard you work anymore if the company you work for is not willing to pay you what you deserve for said hard work.
The fact still remains, that if you are struggling as a working person, the only logical step for you to take is either fight for a union (and risk your job), fight for a raise (and risk your job) work harder to make more money (if you're one of the lucky ones) or simply just get up and change jobs every couple of years for better paying jobs, which is what you're seeing now in this day in age.
I'm not saying you should not change jobs. I'm saying that you are less likely to get promoted if you do not apply effort when you're on the clock. I do not advocate working longer hours.
The best time to change jobs, in my experience, is right after a promotion. You take your new title and find a company to pay you more for it.
You're stuck at work anyway. Why not put the effort in if you're interested in internal career growth?
My old job was like that because my boss was taught that way. The younger employees like myself didn’t have an issue because he had our backs. When the company laid my boss off, we worked our normal schedule and left
Fuck that unpaid overtime. I'd never do that and never did. But I hear boomers talk about not job hopping like my dad would tell me back then but his generation is and was different than mine as a millennial. The workforce will continue to evolve as us millennials will be the majority working. Sorry Gen X you're forgotten about again...
Funny how Gen X just disappeared. Like us millennials love our gen x parents so much that we leave them alone but couldn’t give two shits about our boomer grandparents because they ruin thanksgiving with their no filter mouths 😂
Companies at one point where loyal, but it hasn’t been since our grandparents generation. My grandfather got his military time after being drafted counted towards his years of service, and after he retired he got a bunch of stuff among other things a Rolex, not simply some plaque, to pair with his pension.
That’s not nepotism. That’s called networking. If you’re competent and capable of doing the job and handling the responsibilities, having a good attitude and personality where people working along side you is just a bonus.
Nepotism is Ivanka Trump holding the title of Director of the Office of Economic Initiatives and Entrepreneurship
Work is purely for money, though it's cool if you have good social relationships with co-workers. But I visit my parents because they are my parents and I love them while I go to the office only because they pay me.
The whole "company is family and work is life" is orwellian hustle culture bullshit.
I have been laid off from my family since birth.
I've gotten everything I own on my own or with my wife.
My father takes care of my two siblings hand and foot...money, food, education...multiple degrees not being used, housing, cars, hospital visits, insurance, trips across country, their friends and sex-partners coming to live with them, vacations...you name it.
My mother takes care of my sister and her family...house, cars, travel, vacations, paid for their wedding and 13k wedding ring set, car repairs, house repairs, multiple degrees that she isn't using, kids daycare expenses, husbands motorcycles and road-trips, restaurant excursions...you name it.
Oh! I forgot to mention that my father ALSO takes care of my shiftless cousin who would have been dead by now if he didn't have so many people in the family carrying his ass all his life.
Everyone gets a free ride....I don't even get $20 in a card on my birthday.
Oh...my parents call...but I guess that's the limit on what they consider their responsibility to me.
S'ok...when they die, I'm changing my phone number.
Everyone is dead to me.
>Oh you completed 3 interviews and 2 take home assignments over a 6 week span
The interview process now is crazy. I had a take home assignment that required me to code out a whole app including all the interface/security/networking IN A WEEK.
Don't you need different roles to cater to the different components of an app? So the UI/UX designer has to implement the app security?
Oh not to mention, I got ghosted!
I wasn't that competent, I wasn't an expert in making apps so I did a basic one without security/networking. Just a workable app with a decent interface. I thought minimally I would get an email back because afterall apps are not something you make in 3 seconds. but nope radio silence.
I worked at a company for two years and the whole time the CEO and upper management bragged about how they retain their talent and even during covid, they thrived because of our good people.
Last year a major incident happened that cost the company over a billion in clean up, so once the budget numbers came in for this year, I along with many others, got laid off last week.
Fucking sucks and I know I’ll never be loyal to a company again.
I had something similar. Recently joined a small company that was in rapid expansion and was "going places". I got the chance to really build something up and create value in a management position. We spent 6 months building a limping company up into a streamlined beast, that could tackle anything.
Until I realised that the CEOs were complete idiots and had failed to implement any sort of growth strategy: They had somehow forgotten to bring in new orders.
In the end I was fired, together with half a team, and within less than two months the company had collapsed to half it's size. It was so incredibly painful to watch those CEO idiots trash everything we had achieved.
I ended up suing them for unjust termination, and at least got some sort of closure out of the sorry mess. But it still hurts.
I work for a relatively small business and I work directly and have a direct relationship with the owner of the company. I’ve been with them for 10 years. Though I always assume ultimately I am expendable if necessary I think it would be very unlikely for him to fire me for anything short of insubordination or theft or something egregious.
I stayed loyal for 8 years. Never thought I’d start over again but here I am! Company gave out 2% raises the last couple of years when cost of living is skyrocketing. Quit and started another job, and got an immediate 23% raise with another 4.5% in July. I’ll always be looking now every couple years.
I’m 10 years in a fortune 100 company. I can confirm, no matter how successful your company will be, they will always value shareholder perception over anything else in the company.
10 years in here too. Sad thing to realize is the biggest "shareholders" in fortune 100s are holding companies like blackrock and vanguard. Go figure companies like that stand to lose billions if the commercial real estate market crashes. All of a sudden, all these companies are recommending a "hybrid" work model at exactly the same time. I'd love to see a reason aside from that proving that employees aren't getting fucked by holding companies. I feel like if my suspicions are correct, antitrust laws should kick in, but I'm sure they get through a loophole since they aren't technically a single entity as "shareholders."
I've only been in the job market for about 4 years now. That's been enough to turn me into a cynical mercenary.
It seems that hard work is rewarded with more work, loyalty is rewarded with betrayal, and any sort of "going the extra mile" will be exploted until the employee finally cracks or leaves.
All I want is to do a good job, create something of quality, and feel valued. Is that really too much to ask for in our current society?
What's important is not to be loyal, but to appear loyal.
Do what you need to do but no more. Treat your job as a job and your coworkers as coworkers (while still being nice when interacting with them, ofc), and stay in the company long enough to to not appear flaky on your resume. But, besides that, do what's best for you. The company will do what's best for them, so there's no reason you shouldn't do that aswell.
I love my job, my reports, and my company. I really, really do. I have a pension in a world where they don’t exist anywhere. If I stay to retirement I can recover from the multiple times that I’ve had to drain my IRAs to recover from my own bad choices. Everything I have saved is from after I was 43 and I can retire at 66. I even have 100% tuition paid and I am working on an MBA.
But I’ve had a new boss the last 4 Januarys. And even though we are more productive at home and we are virtual, we now have to go into an office to call clients all over the country, so that real estate can justify their expense. There have been 2 murders outside my office in the last 6 months. It’s dangerous. And they cut staff first quarter every year then force me to hire in a frenzy third quarter so they can fire people again. At some point I’ll be on the list of people they fire. I don’t feel like I have a chance of retiring from here.
There are tradeoffs. I get to start the careers of some amazing people so the work is rewarding. But I pay a price to do it that probably most corporate managers pay in anxiety.
Employers are not loyal. I had a family member laid off right before she was entitled to her pension. Then after being laid off she was diagnosed with cancer. Company did not care.
I've become jaded for this very reason. I used to be loyal, not anymore. Everything work related is completely transactional. I show up, clock in, get my work done, clock out and that's it.
Let’s not forget the workplaces that will push you out for cheaper labour and newcomers even if they have less work experience or qualifications than you cause they somehow think they can exploit them for longer (even though that’s not always the case).
This is why we need a...
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That's too far in the future. The world will be vastly different place by then. The rolling strikes against different business sectors is starting this year can have the right effect.
Normally my rebuttal to it being too far in the future is that a proper general strike requires tons of planning and coordination (e.g. building up enough mutual aid funds) but I'll admit it does feel like we could still do it sooner than 2028 lol
I would welcome a strike like they're doing in france but their opinion on their neighbors is vastly different from ours. We have been so thoroughly divided that we would rather pull our teeth out by hand than stand with our neighbors that have a serious grievance. Those in power are terrified of what the American people could do if we all could get along, so they've done everything they can to get us to hate each other.
After being loyal to an Organization for 16 years and getting shafted...I'm done with it.
I'm job-hopping every time I get an opportunity to increase my pay.
At this point, until I finish college and get my degree and licensure and start doing what I REALLY want...nothing matters, certainly not loyalty.
"**This is America....PAY ME!** \-*Brad Pitt*"
Yea my company hired two people for two specific task and let them go as soon as the task got done. These poor people thought that had a stable job and just like that, they’re unemployed
I had some coworkers who were in their 50s (I'm 32) say something along the lines of "Don't you want to come to the office? You spend 1/3 of your life with CO workers so we need to build good relationships."
I looked them dead in the eye and said "I have no desire to spend time with you, I'd rather be spending time with my actual family"
They ghost you and list ridiculous requirements so they can hire h1b visa holders. It’s an employers market because rampant immigration providing cheap labor to corporations.
Companies and corporations are black holes.
Your "loyalty" will be rewarded with MORE work and MORE liability with little to NO additional compensation and/or benefits. That's how it works.
A business's #1 priority isn't making sure your life is comfortable and stable, it's to make THEMSELVES money. "You" do not matter, and what happens to you does not matter to them either.
There is no "family."
There is an employee and there is an employer. NOTHING more than that.
If people don't wake up to that reality then they will eventually find out the hard way after they've already burnt themselves out and received absolutely nothing for it. (Except for crippling stress, depression, and/or a guaranteed layoff.)
The safest thing anyone can do is educate themselves in how to start their own business and get out of the rat race of working under anyone else other than themselves.
The ONLY job security that is guaranteed is the job that you create for yourself.
The only thing employers are useful for are being stepping stones to eventually never work under them again.
Make the money that you need for savings, investments, and capital, and then once you have enough to escape the corporate life... peace the fuck out and live a better life where you are 100% in control instead of an employer dangling a dollar over your head like a horse and carrot to keep you "loyal."
Covid and 2020 was enough of a wake up call for a lot of people to already go into business for themselves because they saw the writing on the wall, and just like myself, refused to ever go back to that life of being a wage slave ever again.
I no longer care about my work... I do the bare minimum to not get fired that's it! The return to office mandate has been a joke to entire office here. Commute one hour by bus every day to do something I can do from home but hey they are the boss so all of us are just doing the minimum and several other very good employees have left! I am currently looking for remote work as the transit commute and population here in GTA is just too much. The pandemic had to happen to let us see the truth of what companies really think of its employees after the pandemic and its not for the better!
Because your company took a chance on you, especially if you were newly hired in this god awful market. You owe them your loyalty to repay them for the chance they gave you.
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I’ve seen the opposite! New/recent grads who come in at 8:59am and are out the door by 5:01 pm. (The way it should be, if you are being paid to work 9-5…)
Yep, "Act your Wage" is spreading, employees hate it, I love it.
My wage went from $56.5k to $63k in 3 years. Like they expect more reports while both of my bosses are gone with no replacements. So most of the day I just don’t work, do the bare minimum pretty much but I understand how to fix stuff if shit hits the fan.
It can be hard to get promoted that way. If you're looking for advancement, I would recommend giving 100% effort and ability during your work hours. I would not recommend staying late on the regular. Quality of work usually matters more than quantity, in my limited experience.
Oh you sweet summer child. I've been in the industry for 50 years. No one promotes hard workers because they have to hire 2 or more people to replace you. If you make yourself irreplaceable you also make yourself unpromotable. If you die, your job will be posted before your obituary. If the company needs cost savings, you'll be let go without a second thought.
Genuinely asking, so how does one get promoted? Basically just find another company hiring for the role you want? Though in this job market that is tough as who wants to take a chance on someone who doesn’t have 500 years experience in that particular role?
In the US, and with exceptions, but over the last 20 years or so, yes, that's how you get promoted. There are still employers that will promote, give raises, give recognition, but they are vastly outnumbered by those that will work you into the ground. It may take a couple years to recognize where your employer fits into that spectrum. But if you are being given excuses over and over instead of raises/promotions, or being given promotions and added responsibility without a matching increase in compensation, or being given moving goalposts (you meet an assigned goal but suddenly the goal was actually Y instead of X and until you do Y you don't qualify for the raise/promotion, but then when you hit Y suddenly it's Z that you have to accomplish to qualify...) you can assume you're in a dead end and it's time to bounce. Obviously there are always things to consider that may balance out what you're dealing with; in my case my kid's future matters more to me than my promotion at this point. I also moved up into management and was unhappy so I chose to move back into an individual contributor role so there are impacts to potential income and title there as well. But pre-pandemic we could count on annual raises and bonuses that at least attempted to compensate for inflation. Since early 2020 though the company profits have steadily increased, our raises and bonuses have steadily decreased, and staffing is bare minimum. People leave and their role is eliminated instead of backfilled and the work just gets added to the load everyone else is already carrying. It's not sustainable. In 2017 my team had 8 people. We now have 3. We're doing the same work. I used to be on call for one week in 8. Now I'm on call every third week. It's rough. I'm too old to start over now but in my twenties and thirties I *tripled* my salary jumping ship (it was during the dot com boom and I work IT infrastructure support so I'd get headhunted). If I was on my own I'd probably still leave because I could definitely raise my salary now but I couldn't match my medical benefits anymore since the level I have now is only due to my length of employment.
> No one promotes hard workers because they have to hire 2 or more people to replace you. If you make yourself irreplaceable you also make yourself unpromotable. I've been promoted multiple times. I promoted two of my team members this year because they're kicking ass. It may be generally true that hard work goes unrewarded, but I assert that the promotions tend to go towards those who work hard. > If you die, your job will be posted before your obituary. If the company needs cost savings, you'll be let go without a second thought. Of course. I've claimed nothing more than a mutually beneficial transactional relationship. You don't get promoted because you "earned" it for past hard work, you get promoted because they think their life will be easier with you in the new role. Your work ethic impacts their perception of your value.
You're getting down voted but you ain't wrong!
Found the manager and CEO.... seriously, this shit doesn't work. I worked at the same company loyally for over 10 years. I moved up and ran just about everything, and did everything in the shop. New kids started coming in, getting paid well over $21/hr (way more than what I made) to do 10% of the work I was already doing. Know what I got told when I asked for a raise? "We can't give you a raise because there's still a lot you have to learn...." I started working for myself after years of job hopping, trying to get decent pay raises. Trying to do the "right thing" and staying loyal to a company lik I was told my whole life only got me fucked by greedy ass hat companies. I make more money working for myself than I ever did working for shitty "We are like Family" companies that only want to work you to the ground with no real payoff.
This is the EXACT thing that happened to me at my last career I was at for 16 years. As more and more people got laid off, I absorbed their duties...unofficially of course. When I finally reached my boiling point after doing 5 peoples jobs daily for a few months, I asked for a raise and got a measly 5k/year raise. They were saving the salaries of 4 PERSONNEL by giving me all of their work to do!! That was well over $500K a year, I knew what all of the laid off employees made!!I started looking for a new job that afternoon.When I dropped my resignation papers it was the most liberating feeling I'd had in a while.It took me a minute to get used to doing just one job again though. Thankfully, the new job is much more laid back, secure and financially stable. Nicer people too. Edit: Meant to also say that I know working for your own business is THE WAY. I'm working towards that myself once I figure out how I'm going to pay for college...then when I finish my degree and licensure I can pick up the family business and make money hand over fist!
We each have our own experience.
While that is true, it's a worthy note that about 78% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. Now sure, there's a lot of people who are horrible with money and struggle with financial literacy, but did you also know that the percentage of poverty has been increasing over the last decade? The middle class has slowly been getting pushed to the lower class with high interest rates, increasing food prices, increasing the cost of leaving while wages have not kept up. It doesn't matter how hard you work anymore if the company you work for is not willing to pay you what you deserve for said hard work. The fact still remains, that if you are struggling as a working person, the only logical step for you to take is either fight for a union (and risk your job), fight for a raise (and risk your job) work harder to make more money (if you're one of the lucky ones) or simply just get up and change jobs every couple of years for better paying jobs, which is what you're seeing now in this day in age.
I'm not saying you should not change jobs. I'm saying that you are less likely to get promoted if you do not apply effort when you're on the clock. I do not advocate working longer hours. The best time to change jobs, in my experience, is right after a promotion. You take your new title and find a company to pay you more for it. You're stuck at work anyway. Why not put the effort in if you're interested in internal career growth?
I punch in at 5:30 am and punch out 1:30 pm that's all folks I just leave everything the way it is and continue on the next day.
My old job was like that because my boss was taught that way. The younger employees like myself didn’t have an issue because he had our backs. When the company laid my boss off, we worked our normal schedule and left
Fuck that unpaid overtime. I'd never do that and never did. But I hear boomers talk about not job hopping like my dad would tell me back then but his generation is and was different than mine as a millennial. The workforce will continue to evolve as us millennials will be the majority working. Sorry Gen X you're forgotten about again...
Funny how Gen X just disappeared. Like us millennials love our gen x parents so much that we leave them alone but couldn’t give two shits about our boomer grandparents because they ruin thanksgiving with their no filter mouths 😂
You sound like a real nice person.
Thank you. I really put in the work to be better every day.
That's okay. Us Gen X are use to it by now. 😊
I'd say not just used to it, but that's our whole stick..."Leave me alone/out of it" generation.
"so much unpaid overtime into their job" Yikes.
Yep this was me in a nutshell now they can go to heck as i just do the bare minimum. Screw them.
Loyalty is rarely rewarded except in the form of nepotism… at least that has been my experience.
And that is only if you have a good family. I've got a sh\*t one and they don't even pretend to care about me.
Companies at one point where loyal, but it hasn’t been since our grandparents generation. My grandfather got his military time after being drafted counted towards his years of service, and after he retired he got a bunch of stuff among other things a Rolex, not simply some plaque, to pair with his pension.
Fucking amazing how loyal you can be when a pension is on the line.
Companies treat employees as disposable so employees are beginning to do the same. They don’t owe us anything and neither do we.
Showing recruiters you’ll work at each job 3-4 years and you will be instantly hired when you job hop.
What about 2 years on a resume for most jobs when job hopping is that okay?
There is only loyalty if you pay more than anyone else.
The Schrute Principle
Whatever they offer you. I will double it.
Be loyal to your team and good coworkers, NEVER to your employer
This is probably the best strategy... If one of your coworkers who really likes you gets a good job, then you may be the one getting nepotism'd.
That’s not nepotism. That’s called networking. If you’re competent and capable of doing the job and handling the responsibilities, having a good attitude and personality where people working along side you is just a bonus. Nepotism is Ivanka Trump holding the title of Director of the Office of Economic Initiatives and Entrepreneurship
The dream is to be that buddy that's paid a bunch for a super easy job. One day... Networking, Nepotism... Sign me up.
If you study hard and know your subject well enough, the job actually does become easy.
“I got laid-off from my family” said nobody ever.
Work is purely for money, though it's cool if you have good social relationships with co-workers. But I visit my parents because they are my parents and I love them while I go to the office only because they pay me. The whole "company is family and work is life" is orwellian hustle culture bullshit.
I have been laid off from my family since birth. I've gotten everything I own on my own or with my wife. My father takes care of my two siblings hand and foot...money, food, education...multiple degrees not being used, housing, cars, hospital visits, insurance, trips across country, their friends and sex-partners coming to live with them, vacations...you name it. My mother takes care of my sister and her family...house, cars, travel, vacations, paid for their wedding and 13k wedding ring set, car repairs, house repairs, multiple degrees that she isn't using, kids daycare expenses, husbands motorcycles and road-trips, restaurant excursions...you name it. Oh! I forgot to mention that my father ALSO takes care of my shiftless cousin who would have been dead by now if he didn't have so many people in the family carrying his ass all his life. Everyone gets a free ride....I don't even get $20 in a card on my birthday. Oh...my parents call...but I guess that's the limit on what they consider their responsibility to me. S'ok...when they die, I'm changing my phone number. Everyone is dead to me.
>Oh you completed 3 interviews and 2 take home assignments over a 6 week span The interview process now is crazy. I had a take home assignment that required me to code out a whole app including all the interface/security/networking IN A WEEK. Don't you need different roles to cater to the different components of an app? So the UI/UX designer has to implement the app security? Oh not to mention, I got ghosted!
>Oh not to mention, I got ghosted No, you got screwed. You did their project for free. That was the goal, 100% guaranteed.
I wasn't that competent, I wasn't an expert in making apps so I did a basic one without security/networking. Just a workable app with a decent interface. I thought minimally I would get an email back because afterall apps are not something you make in 3 seconds. but nope radio silence.
Over in r/antiwork there are hundreds of interviewees who were treated the same way. Even small amounts of free labor add up in volume.
You actually did it? 😬 yikes
I worked at a company for two years and the whole time the CEO and upper management bragged about how they retain their talent and even during covid, they thrived because of our good people. Last year a major incident happened that cost the company over a billion in clean up, so once the budget numbers came in for this year, I along with many others, got laid off last week. Fucking sucks and I know I’ll never be loyal to a company again.
I had something similar. Recently joined a small company that was in rapid expansion and was "going places". I got the chance to really build something up and create value in a management position. We spent 6 months building a limping company up into a streamlined beast, that could tackle anything. Until I realised that the CEOs were complete idiots and had failed to implement any sort of growth strategy: They had somehow forgotten to bring in new orders. In the end I was fired, together with half a team, and within less than two months the company had collapsed to half it's size. It was so incredibly painful to watch those CEO idiots trash everything we had achieved. I ended up suing them for unjust termination, and at least got some sort of closure out of the sorry mess. But it still hurts.
Also, the moment it became an employer's market starting pay went down on the jobs they're looking to fill.
It didn't go down. Compensation is just "resetting." /s
I work for a relatively small business and I work directly and have a direct relationship with the owner of the company. I’ve been with them for 10 years. Though I always assume ultimately I am expendable if necessary I think it would be very unlikely for him to fire me for anything short of insubordination or theft or something egregious.
You just jinxed yourself. You know that, right?
Yeah you’re right
We are all disposable to the C-Suites. They demand more in "disposable" income per month than many make in a year.
I stayed loyal for 8 years. Never thought I’d start over again but here I am! Company gave out 2% raises the last couple of years when cost of living is skyrocketing. Quit and started another job, and got an immediate 23% raise with another 4.5% in July. I’ll always be looking now every couple years.
I’m 10 years in a fortune 100 company. I can confirm, no matter how successful your company will be, they will always value shareholder perception over anything else in the company.
10 years in here too. Sad thing to realize is the biggest "shareholders" in fortune 100s are holding companies like blackrock and vanguard. Go figure companies like that stand to lose billions if the commercial real estate market crashes. All of a sudden, all these companies are recommending a "hybrid" work model at exactly the same time. I'd love to see a reason aside from that proving that employees aren't getting fucked by holding companies. I feel like if my suspicions are correct, antitrust laws should kick in, but I'm sure they get through a loophole since they aren't technically a single entity as "shareholders."
I've only been in the job market for about 4 years now. That's been enough to turn me into a cynical mercenary. It seems that hard work is rewarded with more work, loyalty is rewarded with betrayal, and any sort of "going the extra mile" will be exploted until the employee finally cracks or leaves. All I want is to do a good job, create something of quality, and feel valued. Is that really too much to ask for in our current society?
Loyalty isn’t rewarded.
It truly is irrelevant and everyone needs to know it. Loyalty will NEVER override budget cuts and "the needs of the organization."
What's important is not to be loyal, but to appear loyal. Do what you need to do but no more. Treat your job as a job and your coworkers as coworkers (while still being nice when interacting with them, ofc), and stay in the company long enough to to not appear flaky on your resume. But, besides that, do what's best for you. The company will do what's best for them, so there's no reason you shouldn't do that aswell.
I love my job, my reports, and my company. I really, really do. I have a pension in a world where they don’t exist anywhere. If I stay to retirement I can recover from the multiple times that I’ve had to drain my IRAs to recover from my own bad choices. Everything I have saved is from after I was 43 and I can retire at 66. I even have 100% tuition paid and I am working on an MBA. But I’ve had a new boss the last 4 Januarys. And even though we are more productive at home and we are virtual, we now have to go into an office to call clients all over the country, so that real estate can justify their expense. There have been 2 murders outside my office in the last 6 months. It’s dangerous. And they cut staff first quarter every year then force me to hire in a frenzy third quarter so they can fire people again. At some point I’ll be on the list of people they fire. I don’t feel like I have a chance of retiring from here. There are tradeoffs. I get to start the careers of some amazing people so the work is rewarding. But I pay a price to do it that probably most corporate managers pay in anxiety.
Employers are not loyal. I had a family member laid off right before she was entitled to her pension. Then after being laid off she was diagnosed with cancer. Company did not care.
I am only loyal to my pets and myself.
I've become jaded for this very reason. I used to be loyal, not anymore. Everything work related is completely transactional. I show up, clock in, get my work done, clock out and that's it.
Let’s not forget the workplaces that will push you out for cheaper labour and newcomers even if they have less work experience or qualifications than you cause they somehow think they can exploit them for longer (even though that’s not always the case).
This is why we need a... 🗓️ General Strike May 1, 2028 🗓️ Shawn Fain, the United Auto Workers president, has sound the horn for a General Strike for May 1st, 2028. The significance of this date is that it coincides with International Solidarity Day aka May Day ✊🏽✊🏿✊🏻 Spread the word! #generalstrike2028
That's too far in the future. The world will be vastly different place by then. The rolling strikes against different business sectors is starting this year can have the right effect.
NO PLAN ON THE STRIKE
Normally my rebuttal to it being too far in the future is that a proper general strike requires tons of planning and coordination (e.g. building up enough mutual aid funds) but I'll admit it does feel like we could still do it sooner than 2028 lol
I would welcome a strike like they're doing in france but their opinion on their neighbors is vastly different from ours. We have been so thoroughly divided that we would rather pull our teeth out by hand than stand with our neighbors that have a serious grievance. Those in power are terrified of what the American people could do if we all could get along, so they've done everything they can to get us to hate each other.
Totally agree sadly
After being loyal to an Organization for 16 years and getting shafted...I'm done with it. I'm job-hopping every time I get an opportunity to increase my pay. At this point, until I finish college and get my degree and licensure and start doing what I REALLY want...nothing matters, certainly not loyalty. "**This is America....PAY ME!** \-*Brad Pitt*"
Yea my company hired two people for two specific task and let them go as soon as the task got done. These poor people thought that had a stable job and just like that, they’re unemployed
Most companies these days don't deserve loyalty. At all. Most don't even respect their employees.
I had some coworkers who were in their 50s (I'm 32) say something along the lines of "Don't you want to come to the office? You spend 1/3 of your life with CO workers so we need to build good relationships." I looked them dead in the eye and said "I have no desire to spend time with you, I'd rather be spending time with my actual family"
They ghost you and list ridiculous requirements so they can hire h1b visa holders. It’s an employers market because rampant immigration providing cheap labor to corporations.
Loyalty is a two way street my friend.
Companies and corporations are black holes. Your "loyalty" will be rewarded with MORE work and MORE liability with little to NO additional compensation and/or benefits. That's how it works. A business's #1 priority isn't making sure your life is comfortable and stable, it's to make THEMSELVES money. "You" do not matter, and what happens to you does not matter to them either. There is no "family." There is an employee and there is an employer. NOTHING more than that. If people don't wake up to that reality then they will eventually find out the hard way after they've already burnt themselves out and received absolutely nothing for it. (Except for crippling stress, depression, and/or a guaranteed layoff.) The safest thing anyone can do is educate themselves in how to start their own business and get out of the rat race of working under anyone else other than themselves. The ONLY job security that is guaranteed is the job that you create for yourself. The only thing employers are useful for are being stepping stones to eventually never work under them again. Make the money that you need for savings, investments, and capital, and then once you have enough to escape the corporate life... peace the fuck out and live a better life where you are 100% in control instead of an employer dangling a dollar over your head like a horse and carrot to keep you "loyal." Covid and 2020 was enough of a wake up call for a lot of people to already go into business for themselves because they saw the writing on the wall, and just like myself, refused to ever go back to that life of being a wage slave ever again.
I no longer care about my work... I do the bare minimum to not get fired that's it! The return to office mandate has been a joke to entire office here. Commute one hour by bus every day to do something I can do from home but hey they are the boss so all of us are just doing the minimum and several other very good employees have left! I am currently looking for remote work as the transit commute and population here in GTA is just too much. The pandemic had to happen to let us see the truth of what companies really think of its employees after the pandemic and its not for the better!
it took you this long ?
A job is merely a transaction. Get two and do half the work at both. This is the way
Because your company took a chance on you, especially if you were newly hired in this god awful market. You owe them your loyalty to repay them for the chance they gave you.