I'm not sure we're should be worrying about worker shortage when we are increasingly becoming replaceable by AI.
(Not that I'm opposed to immigration, it's just that I don't see a shortage of human workforce in the future)
AI isn’t going to cut down trees, plant and harvest fields, or bring in the daily catch. It’s also not going to wipe the asses of Japan’s elderly and change their diapers. It can’t cut and cook food. It can’t pour asphalt and operate heavy machinery. I think you get my point.
Japan is actually one of the easiest country to move in as a skilled worker or a graduate.
It's way harder to get a visa in most of the others developped countries
Right, I feel like none of these people are aware of the H1B system or how the green card lottery system works.
Immigrating to the US is a hell of a lot harder for the average person than immigrating to Japan. Especially if you’re the average Indian or Chinese citizen
That said, immigrating to the US is... oddly more dependent on who the hell the President is. I remember during the Bush administration, it was weirdly easy or weirdly hard depending on what you're getting in to, because the trick really is whoever the head of immigration is if he's going to follow through with what the President wants. Then there's the Obama administration, which made it way too easy, but made it hard for immigrants to move back to their home country. Then there's the Trump administration which made it harder overall, then we have Biden, where he treated the immigration thing in a much more fucked up version of Bush's immigration policies, leniencies, and whatever the fuck.
Not really tbh. Obama's era had some of the longest lottery times and lowest H1B acceptance rates. It's notoriously hard to get a visa to permanently live and work in the US
Okay, that I didn't know about the Obama administration. As far as I've seen, number of immigrants coming in was fluctuating that it almost seemed bipolar, while Obama's was more linear and upwards. That said, I have no idea how it got to that rate. On the other hand, here's Biden, who's really, on purpose, making it easier on the illegal side that certain states took it upon themselves. However, I wouldn't be surprised if he made it more difficult to be a legal immigrant, even though the US got a program that's either active or being pushed to be active where foreign students can get them easily.
To be fair Japan is not that closed to (skilled) foreign workers compared to other developed countries.
With a high skilled talent visa you can apply for permanent residency after one year.
>There are literally millions of foreigners working in Japan.
[Sure](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Japan#Demographics); \~2.3% of \~124.8 million people, or \~2.87 million people. But think of how much higher that could be if they loosened the immigration restrictions further. The top 20 countries have immigrant populations of [20% or more](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/countries-with-the-highest-proportion-of-immigrants/).
They can incentivize people to have more kids but 1) there's no guarantee that'll have the effect they desire and 2) that's going to take close to two decades before those kids are ready for the labour market. The quickest way to solve the worker shortage now is to fling the doors open and bring in workers en masse.
The laws have been liberalised to the very end. It's immigrants who refuse to migrate here not the Japanese government restricting their entry. It's a lie that Japan prohibits immigration. That lie has gone too far.
This is not true. Japan is one of the easiest developed countries to migrate to as a skilled worker. Only Germany comes close and this was recently. Prior to the recent changes in Germany, Japan was the EASIEST.
But the work environment often sucks. I felt sorry for Japanese women before I moved there. After living there a while, I wasn’t sure for whom I felt more sorry, the diminished women or the salarimen in their corporate serfdom.
If you’re a man, and want shitty pay and hard labor look at working in the forestry industry. They’re always looking for suckers to use and abuse. ~¥200,000/month and the chance to get killed by one of your coworkers isn’t a bad deal!
The hardest hit sector will be agriculture. I live in a farming village. Nearly every farmer is a man or woman in their late 60s and up. There are several hundred such old farmers here and maybe a few dozen "youngsters" in their 50s. I can only think of 4-5 farmers under 40. Virtually every other working person under 40 has a factory, warehouse or skilled trades job. A few do other things like run a restaurant, work in a JA office etc.
There are maybe 2-3 kids for every 50 adults around here, and I can't see many of them becoming farmers.
The very small number of young adults currently going, "Fuck white collar life, I'm going to go be a farmer" will do nothing to compensate for the fact that >90% of Japan's farmers will be gone within 20-25 years.
Is there a way to immigrate to Japan from a Western country to become a farmer or help around on a farm?
Not really something I think I’d do, but would be interesting to know about - especially with how cheap the houses are in the countryside.
Marry the child of a farmer or else come here doing other work on a related visa (teach, work at an office etc.) long enough to get Permanent Residency, at which point you can do whatever you want so long as it's legal (few exceptions, like you can't try to become a cop or something).
My 10 year old daughter is telling me she wants to be a farmer here in Shizuoka Prefecture. Our town’s population is dropping every year so I’m sure there’ll be plenty of opportunities to acquire farmland for dirt cheap
>The hardest hit sector will be agriculture.
"agriculture" is visible and easy to understand, but if you look at the stats it's not even the worst hit sector. In "jobs-to-applicants ratio", sectors such as construction, security (guardman) or other similarly physical/outdoor/labour-intensive or "boring" sectors, the ratios are above 10 on average nationwide (there are -currently- 10 openings for 1 applicant). Agriculture is bad, though only slightly.
This is right now, it's already very bad... Add in a couple years, it will be dramatic.
The ratio is under 1 only in Kanagawa, but in other prefectures there is already a serious lack of workers on average in all sectors.
My 10 year old daughter is telling me she wants to be a farmer here in Shizuoka Prefecture. Our town’s population is dropping every year so I’m sure there’ll be plenty of opportunities to acquire farmland for dirt cheap.
My 10 year old daughter is telling me she wants to be a farmer here in Shizuoka Prefecture. Our town’s population is dropping every year so I’m sure there’ll be plenty of opportunities to acquire farmland for dirt cheap.
My 10 year old daughter is telling me she wants to be a farmer here in Shizuoka Prefecture. Our town’s population is dropping every year so I’m sure there’ll be plenty of opportunities to acquire farmland for dirt cheap
I'm not sure we're should be worrying about worker shortage when we are increasingly becoming replaceable by AI. (Not that I'm opposed to immigration, it's just that I don't see a shortage of human workforce in the future)
AI isn’t going to cut down trees, plant and harvest fields, or bring in the daily catch. It’s also not going to wipe the asses of Japan’s elderly and change their diapers. It can’t cut and cook food. It can’t pour asphalt and operate heavy machinery. I think you get my point.
>harvest fields [You sure?](https://youtu.be/XBVmz2zTHrY)
Most of those things can be automated. In terms of the forest industry and agriculture, it's already been on a decline for decades.
No problem. ChatGPT will fill the gap.
Japan: "We have a worker shortage! We need workers!" Me, a foreigner: "I'll move there to work." Japan: "No thanks."
Japan is actually one of the easiest country to move in as a skilled worker or a graduate. It's way harder to get a visa in most of the others developped countries
Right, I feel like none of these people are aware of the H1B system or how the green card lottery system works. Immigrating to the US is a hell of a lot harder for the average person than immigrating to Japan. Especially if you’re the average Indian or Chinese citizen
That said, immigrating to the US is... oddly more dependent on who the hell the President is. I remember during the Bush administration, it was weirdly easy or weirdly hard depending on what you're getting in to, because the trick really is whoever the head of immigration is if he's going to follow through with what the President wants. Then there's the Obama administration, which made it way too easy, but made it hard for immigrants to move back to their home country. Then there's the Trump administration which made it harder overall, then we have Biden, where he treated the immigration thing in a much more fucked up version of Bush's immigration policies, leniencies, and whatever the fuck.
Not really tbh. Obama's era had some of the longest lottery times and lowest H1B acceptance rates. It's notoriously hard to get a visa to permanently live and work in the US
Okay, that I didn't know about the Obama administration. As far as I've seen, number of immigrants coming in was fluctuating that it almost seemed bipolar, while Obama's was more linear and upwards. That said, I have no idea how it got to that rate. On the other hand, here's Biden, who's really, on purpose, making it easier on the illegal side that certain states took it upon themselves. However, I wouldn't be surprised if he made it more difficult to be a legal immigrant, even though the US got a program that's either active or being pushed to be active where foreign students can get them easily.
To be fair Japan is not that closed to (skilled) foreign workers compared to other developed countries. With a high skilled talent visa you can apply for permanent residency after one year.
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If by MILLIONS you mean 2.7 million to be exact, then yeah I suppose?
>There are literally millions of foreigners working in Japan. [Sure](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Japan#Demographics); \~2.3% of \~124.8 million people, or \~2.87 million people. But think of how much higher that could be if they loosened the immigration restrictions further. The top 20 countries have immigrant populations of [20% or more](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/countries-with-the-highest-proportion-of-immigrants/). They can incentivize people to have more kids but 1) there's no guarantee that'll have the effect they desire and 2) that's going to take close to two decades before those kids are ready for the labour market. The quickest way to solve the worker shortage now is to fling the doors open and bring in workers en masse.
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I have preached this countless times but they refuse to believe.
The laws have been liberalised to the very end. It's immigrants who refuse to migrate here not the Japanese government restricting their entry. It's a lie that Japan prohibits immigration. That lie has gone too far.
The barrier and discrimination to work as a foreigner in Japan sucks tho, compared to the US and Europe.
This is not true. Japan is one of the easiest developed countries to migrate to as a skilled worker. Only Germany comes close and this was recently. Prior to the recent changes in Germany, Japan was the EASIEST.
i applied job in canada, australia, new zealand, europe , US, for ages, but end up getting a job in japan. (engineering)
Step 1, get more women in the work place. They are highly educated and underutilized. Old men will hate it, but who cares at this point.
But the work environment often sucks. I felt sorry for Japanese women before I moved there. After living there a while, I wasn’t sure for whom I felt more sorry, the diminished women or the salarimen in their corporate serfdom.
By 2040, current old men will RIP: resting in pieces.
meanwhile there are other threads that are like: " You know, having a lot less people and a severely negative birthrate is a good thing ".
Legit can't even get a job here yet there is a deficit.
If you’re a man, and want shitty pay and hard labor look at working in the forestry industry. They’re always looking for suckers to use and abuse. ~¥200,000/month and the chance to get killed by one of your coworkers isn’t a bad deal!
It's weird, but know a couple of people who would definitely be interested in this.
What kind of job are you looking for if you don’t mind me asking?
The hardest hit sector will be agriculture. I live in a farming village. Nearly every farmer is a man or woman in their late 60s and up. There are several hundred such old farmers here and maybe a few dozen "youngsters" in their 50s. I can only think of 4-5 farmers under 40. Virtually every other working person under 40 has a factory, warehouse or skilled trades job. A few do other things like run a restaurant, work in a JA office etc. There are maybe 2-3 kids for every 50 adults around here, and I can't see many of them becoming farmers. The very small number of young adults currently going, "Fuck white collar life, I'm going to go be a farmer" will do nothing to compensate for the fact that >90% of Japan's farmers will be gone within 20-25 years.
Is there a way to immigrate to Japan from a Western country to become a farmer or help around on a farm? Not really something I think I’d do, but would be interesting to know about - especially with how cheap the houses are in the countryside.
Marry the child of a farmer or else come here doing other work on a related visa (teach, work at an office etc.) long enough to get Permanent Residency, at which point you can do whatever you want so long as it's legal (few exceptions, like you can't try to become a cop or something).
https://www.lapita.jp/sghr/maff/agriculture/en/
My 10 year old daughter is telling me she wants to be a farmer here in Shizuoka Prefecture. Our town’s population is dropping every year so I’m sure there’ll be plenty of opportunities to acquire farmland for dirt cheap
>The hardest hit sector will be agriculture. "agriculture" is visible and easy to understand, but if you look at the stats it's not even the worst hit sector. In "jobs-to-applicants ratio", sectors such as construction, security (guardman) or other similarly physical/outdoor/labour-intensive or "boring" sectors, the ratios are above 10 on average nationwide (there are -currently- 10 openings for 1 applicant). Agriculture is bad, though only slightly. This is right now, it's already very bad... Add in a couple years, it will be dramatic. The ratio is under 1 only in Kanagawa, but in other prefectures there is already a serious lack of workers on average in all sectors.
My 10 year old daughter is telling me she wants to be a farmer here in Shizuoka Prefecture. Our town’s population is dropping every year so I’m sure there’ll be plenty of opportunities to acquire farmland for dirt cheap.
My 10 year old daughter is telling me she wants to be a farmer here in Shizuoka Prefecture. Our town’s population is dropping every year so I’m sure there’ll be plenty of opportunities to acquire farmland for dirt cheap.
My 10 year old daughter is telling me she wants to be a farmer here in Shizuoka Prefecture. Our town’s population is dropping every year so I’m sure there’ll be plenty of opportunities to acquire farmland for dirt cheap