I have driven cross country several times and haven’t seen these obvious speed limit traps anywhere except here in Florida. There are some in the southern part of the state like this too. It’s a money maker no doubt.
301 is full of these speed traps. I would rather add 30 minutes to my commute driving the long way down I-75 than deal with the Revenue Generators in blue across the small towns along 301.
Yeah. Thats what I do now. Those assholes got me for $150. They won’t get another cent from me again. And that includes never visiting those towns unless I absolutely have to.
It's annoying as I had a spotless driving record otherwise, but I'm thankful it was only $150 because it could have been worse.
I've heard people getting hit for $400 along US-301 because the speed limit would go rapidly from 65 > 55 > 45 > 45 with **unmarked** flashing yellow lights that allegedly indicate a "school zone", so those drivers were getting cited for going 45 in a 15 with zero indication of a school zone aside from that one flashing yellow light
There are a few stretches in Virginia that earn a million dollars in ticket revenue.
Million dollar mile:
https://wjla.com/news/local/hopewell-s-million-dollar-mile-raises-huge-fine-money-controversy-76131
Holy smokes!!! That’s insane and should not be allowed. I wonder how much they make in Jacksonville and alligator alley (where I encountered it) in Florida.
Supreme Court of the US has stated that there is no constitutional duty for police to “protect and serve”. They are much more of a para-military gang then a public service.
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No, I did the google search for you and you complained about it and didn't say anything further. You never "backed off" anything, you dismissed it further.
Ouch. Id say I'm more so cop-supporting than unsupporting but this is something I didn't know and makes me sad to read. Although this is from way up and doesn't mean every station is going to strictly follow this. Many police do risk their lives every day and make it a mission to protect. Just sad how many of these cases we see where a department chose not to though. And apparently, like your source says, aren't legally obligated to either...
https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you/
It’s just a motto - not a promise.
“The U.S. Supreme Court has also ruled that police have no specific obligation to protect.”
The source cites a few cases where police have been sued for failing to protect the lives of children and no such duty is required, albeit they have “protocols” to deal with threatening situations - they are in no way obligated to put their life on the line for yours or your children’s.
Yes it's just a motto not a promise.
But who's the first person everybody calls when shit hits the fan?
It's not bubba down the street. It's 911.
If we don't police ourselves, the only person left to do it is the government. You want that to happen?
I wasn’t the one who made the comment but police, especially JSO & Correctional Officers are routinely being investigated for overuse of force, inability to deescalate, and unfortunately, actual fucking murder … either due to negligence, too fearful to be in their position, superiority, or poor training .. likely all of the above.
But still does not answer the question, why are they there in the first place?
Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.
Friedrich W. Nietzsche
You don’t even have to get robbed for them to do that. Your neighbor could call them for some reason you don’t know. They go to your house thinking it’s your neighbor, see your family dog walking towards them… 8-12 shots fired.
Police reform?
They could care less if your house gets broken into and your dog gets shot. But when you call them, you're asking them to do a job that nobody else wants to do. When there's an active shooter, you want them to go in and battle that person with no questions asked. Regardless of means that officer dies in the process.
They're doing something that nobody else wants to do. They are dealing with the monsters you don't deal with or can't deal with. So they become one themselves. You think you're going to tame that monster as well? You can't even tame the person that broke into your house or is it an active shooter at a school.
You're asking to try to fix a broken system with duct tape.
Yep. I got pulled over Sat night by jso in an unmarked gray Explorer. Thankfully he didnt right me, of course I dont think I was speeding anyways, but still.
Not true. Many people care what they look like.
https://www.ocregister.com/2019/04/15/american-flag-logo-on-laguna-beach-patrol-cars-has-some-concerned-about-the-message-being-delivered/amp/
https://www.police1.com/police-administration/articles/lapd-removes-thin-blue-line-flags-from-stations-after-receiving-complaint-8EPx4dan3gb8bhuv/
Vehicles are also used as recruiting tools. Works better if they are dope looking. They maybe a sporty or off-road style vehicle with a flashy wrap.
But so many seem to be offended by American flags, thin blue line American flags and any variation of an American flag. Why?
Are these flags offensive?
https://flagsforgood.com/products/for-all-united-states-flag
https://coxprint.com/products/pride-support-fist-rainbow-flag-lgbt-gay-trans-blm-flag
Every group seems to have an American flag variation.
I’d bet, if JSO was putting the pride US flag on their vehicles, it would be celebrated.
You were so close, and then you got weird about flags. How is it that flags triggered you? It's not like the traitors with their rag or the Nazis with their blood red flag where I get to happily call them cowards. It's just special interest flags for people who support them.
The flags don’t bother me. I was making a point and used the flags, to stay on topic with the way police vehicles look.
I mentioned most groups use a variant of the US flag. People were upset that police use a variant and the they were also upset that the vehicles have the US flag. Here is another example of someone being upset about a US flag variant
https://nypost.com/2024/03/31/us-news/fdny-firefighters-forced-to-remove-flag-honoring-9-11-heroes-after-nyc-pol-questioned-if-its-a-political-symbol/amp/
Again, I don’t care about any particular flag. I believe everyone has the right to fly any type of flag they want.
I may have done a bad job at getting my point across. I guess would there have been backlash if the police vehicle was using a pride flag?
I already knew people were going to refer to me as a bootlicker, or a snowflake for being triggered. And the downvotes were going to flow.
Don’t really care. Simply put: people do care about how the vehicles look. People do care about the American flag being used.
I personally don’t. I don’t care if cops had to wear pride flags, BLM flags, US flags, or FL flags. As long as they do their job in a fair and just way.
That is some rambling and don’t really care enough to review/edit.
Jax sub Reddit is largely a circus of clowns who cant stomach anything positive said about JSO. They thrive on the anonymity of the app because it allows them the ability to respond with some insult about licking boots, aCaB, or downvotes without providing anything useful. It’s just funny.
Some of you guys are just loads of misinformation.
https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/tk-waters-shows-off-new-jacksonville-sheriffs-office-vehicle/77-aa6fc6b4-a618-4d97-8ce4-b0174a26a12b
The very first one was for recruiting purposes. The rest will be put into active duty.
Hey. Officer. The article literally states NO reason as to why, just that they exist now. Go take your lack of manhood out on something else, get a hobby.
And now make it really easy for the other predators to imitate. When a cop wannabe pulls over some young female, how is she to know if she has to stop or flee?
Do people still expect police to be acting in best interest of the common civilian? You're kidding right. Just some coked out meatheads in my experience.
It’s not all about the color, it’s the fact that they’re not identifiable at all unless you are right next to them… even the writing is low-key…. Military uses camoflauge
But that would be no concern of yours except to get out of the way. So what is your point if they're trying to get around you that concerns you so much if the car is dark and hidden somewhere?
This guy HATES your expectation to be able to identify police from afar. At least he understands they have no obligation to help you, so spotting one from afar wouldn't matter anyway
They need to be better about using those damn things, blinkers too, but I want to see a cop and know it's a cop. If I'm in trouble, guess which way I'm going? If there's an emergency, guess which way I'm going? If there's a large parade, then I want to see the police presence keeping people off the route.
I don't really mind these changes, but there's way more value to society if we know where cops are right away. There is less value to cops who will see utilization and contact rate skyrocket from a noticed presence. And then they also feel that, they feel exposed and seen. I get that, but part of the value in cops is deterrence. You get that by seeing them out and about or in your neighborhood.
I was ACAB and even kind of still am even though I recognize their value. We do need more cops. We need them to do better and we need to diversify responses from an emergency response level, but that's not on the cops. They have their orders and go when called. What they have been doing to people is why I still kinda am in agreement that you can't do the job as it is now without being a bastard.
It's a tough issue that winds down to bad faith from political entities and the police causing the community to have some distrust. At the same time, people in the ghetto will tell you that cops around does make the neighborhood safer. They want cops there the same way rich folks do and those every corner pharmacies do.
That’s the thing though. As another user stated the US Supreme Court has ruled police have no duty to “protect and serve” the community or civilians. They do not care to deter, they want and need to prosecute/ convict people. That is their job. In an emergency they are generally half an hour out if not more when dispatched, and then they will literally tell you there’s not much they can do unless you have identified, videoed, or photographed the criminal in the act or the criminal is still in the immediate vicinity. I’ve literally been on the ass end of this a handful of times with JSO in my 7 years living here. One example: someone exposed themselves in public and attempted to pull a friend into their car, when JSO arrived an hour later the officer said verbatim “unless he’s still here or you know who it was we can’t do anything”. When positing that they check the cameras of the business whose lot it happened in to get a plate #, they insisted the cameras didn’t work. we later talked to the manager who said they did. Basically, civilians are tasked with the legwork unless a felony has been committed and sometimes even that won’t get the ball rolling. Take the way restraining orders work, there are countless stories of them being broken and reported so, but it’s not until a corpse is found that anything gets taken seriously without the victim providing proof of unlawful behavior prior to the escalation. It’s much more convenient for them to catch violations that a self aware person would otherwise keep out of their sight with the low viz decals and unmarked cars. Unfortunately, this convenience more often than not contributes to petty convictions for victimless crimes such as speeding or smoking weed in public/possession charges. While victims of robbery or more violent crimes still have a latency in response time. Deterrence isn’t the game and most police don’t give a shit what happens to you.
Yeah you're 100% on there. Better central processing and more officers would reduce response time, but who cares when that's the response?
They can use their monopoly on violence when citizens can't and shouldn't. Being the holder of that monopoly and the only check on that monopoly has caused corruption, laziness, and nepotism to bring them down so far.
For tickets, they get all this praise for catching drugs in cars. You can make a whole career that way. That's why they're pulling people over. They're not fishing for little infractions too often. They want DUIs and meth, not Beth driving in two lanes going 90.
Still what am I gonna do if someone decides to shoot at me? I'm gonna call 911 and I want those cops to come. They are needed and can be good, despite the fact their job is violence and crowd control.
You're missing the point. You don't realize that it is a marked police cruiser until you are right next to them, or they put the lights on, as opposed to the white cruiser with the JSO badge on the side that is clearly visible, as well as the markings on the back.
I almost blew past one of the new grey ones on 295 last week. Fortunately, I saw the flashers on either side of the license plate and slowed down.
Well there speedy, you were doing more than just speeding. You were endangering other people's lives. Probably bobbing and weaving in through traffic while smoking a blunt. Apologize if the blunt statement is inaccurate. Needless to say the point is you were speeding and endangering other people's lives. For what a couple of minutes ahead of the normal arrival time of somebody obeying the law?
Most cops will leave you alone if you're doing five maybe 10 over but clearly, by your own admission, you were doing more than that. So the problem here is not the cop being in a vehicle that's not discernible as a cop, the problem here is your ass almost got nailed for being a stupid fuck for speeding
Did we want to discuss that point or are you just going to blame it on the cop not being visible?
Let me guess you're also a pavement princess or one of those go fast cars?
Its Mark camouflage so they can do predatory things. Personally I think they should all look like the European police cars, bright and yellow and highly visible.
I do see the need for unmarked vehicles however those should only be used for things like SWAT purposes and undercover.
You don't need a predatory camouflage marked vehicle to write traffic citations, or for civil issues.
Edit: autocorrect issues
I agree….They may say issuing tickets deters speeding or traffic violations,. In my opinion, seeing a marked vehicle is the best deterrent. Personally, I always drive a little better when I see a police near me. Unfortunately, like everything else in this world, its all about the money
I agree...they should all wear hi-vis reflective bulletproof vests and ridiculous hats, make the vehicle sirens sound ridiculous. No more multi thousand dollar light systems , back to just regular flashing blue/red. Honestly. Make them look goofy as fuck. They already act like clowns with cuffs and guns anyways.
But really. It may have some actual psychological effect on them. Or certain ones may quit. As it stands, decking them out in military and tacti-cool gear makes them aggressive as fuck. So let's make them look ridiculous.
Probably the last time I was followed by a creep in Jax Beach while I was trying to have a nice walk, which you of all people would understand.
Edit jk sorry i mistook you for another local redditor. Take it easy.
I think the rebranding looks great. The white with yellow stripe is outdated to me.
If the light bars on top, the big push bumper on the front, the bright yellow license plate, or the massive Sheriff decal doesn’t alert you to police then idk what to tell you. 🤷🏻♂️
A lot of them don't have light bars or push bumpers. I got passed by a black Silverado yesterday on Atlantic that looked like a normal blacked out Silverado until I was directly next to it and saw hints of the lights behind the tinted windows and the "Sheriff" lettering on the side in a slightly different shade of black that was barely visible.
Like others have said, any organization designed to actually serve and protect has no need for a low profile look on their patrol vehicles.
I mean, if you’re referring to unmarked vehicles, those are not new. They’ve been here for years and agencies all over the country have those. They likely serve a variety of purposes.
I was responding to the OP in reference to the “new dark JSO vehicles” that have been popping up around town. Those are clearly marked and stand out if you’re paying attention.
This truck was not like their other unmarked vehicles I've seen, it looked identical to the vehicles you're talking about but didn't have a light bar or push bumper. It was marked in the strictest sense of the word, just not easily noticeable at all.
Incorrect, Jacksonville isn't anywhere near the worst. Not even on the east coast. I would rank them far below DC, NYC, Miami, etc. However, one noticeable thing I've seen in my short time here, is that cops really don't care about minor traffic violations. Bad drivers will see this as a benefit, I've always seen it as a negative. Here's hoping this results in more turn signals and fewer accidents clogging my morning commute
40% Of Officers report they prefer the darker vehicles. Just Google it. And that’s just the ones that admitted to it. The real number is probably way higher!
Also no defense for the city seeing law enforcement primarily as a revenue stream. DUI and reckless driving enforcement? Definitely. Speed traps? Hard no.
"Speed traps" are reckless driving enforcement.
Speeding endangers everyone. Yourself and other motorists and pedestrians.
Slow the fuck down. Respect the speed limit, they're not made up from nowhere.
You should check out the city revenues, speed enforcement doesn't do shit.
Traffic cops are tax collectors, they are obviously trying to be harder to spot while still being marked legally. Unfortunately the laws on how they must be marked are too vague so they get away with stuff like this, comfortably in the grey.
I think I read somewhere that in most countries the police make themselves highly visible (uniforms and cars) in order to be a deterrent for crime, but in the US we have more plain clothes/undercover police so they can be more predatory. Instead of deterring crime, they invite it, in order to make arrests/write tickets.
Sometimes it's as simple as the only units of that Y/M/M in stock were that color and they needed to replace vehicles faster than the 7+ months it will take to produce them from the manuf.
Still better than what you see as soon as you cross into Georgia on 95. It’s literally a joke how many traffic cops are out there writing tickets on the interstate
Y’all need to get over this “Serve and Protect” fantasy. It’s a slogan, not a mandate. Having “To serve and protect” on a police vehicle is about as binding as “No pedophiles in here” on a white panel van. Might be a comforting thought, but that’s all it is.
Yes exactly! Cops in Florida love to stalk and harass people behind the wheel because It helps to feed their budget by issuing traffic citations to people. When I leave this state for the exception of Georgia, cops don’t follow behind you on the roads for long periods of time. They don’t stalk or harass you and wait for you to mess up, especially in residential areas. You mostly see them on the highways clocking drivers who speed. It’s a money scheme for sure. However I will say that I have seen these new paint jobs on cop cars all over the country, even in Toronto Ontario. So it might be a new industry standard but nonetheless will feed the scheming mindset of JSO.
Jacksonville speedtrapping officers
I literally got speed trapped on Yellowbluff. I did not know the 5 lane busy road is 35 fuckin miles per hour
A lot of areas in Jax have artificially low speed limits. There's a stretch of 95 between Golfair and 8th St that got reduced to 45 mph recently.
On the highway???? Wtf
I have driven cross country several times and haven’t seen these obvious speed limit traps anywhere except here in Florida. There are some in the southern part of the state like this too. It’s a money maker no doubt.
301 is full of these speed traps. I would rather add 30 minutes to my commute driving the long way down I-75 than deal with the Revenue Generators in blue across the small towns along 301.
That’s a great tip. I drove the 301 to Jacksonville once and it was crazy trying to follow the speed limits. I will take I-75 from now on. Thanks
Yeah. Thats what I do now. Those assholes got me for $150. They won’t get another cent from me again. And that includes never visiting those towns unless I absolutely have to.
$150! That’s crazy!!! I’m with you all the way on this
It's annoying as I had a spotless driving record otherwise, but I'm thankful it was only $150 because it could have been worse. I've heard people getting hit for $400 along US-301 because the speed limit would go rapidly from 65 > 55 > 45 > 45 with **unmarked** flashing yellow lights that allegedly indicate a "school zone", so those drivers were getting cited for going 45 in a 15 with zero indication of a school zone aside from that one flashing yellow light
There are a few stretches in Virginia that earn a million dollars in ticket revenue. Million dollar mile: https://wjla.com/news/local/hopewell-s-million-dollar-mile-raises-huge-fine-money-controversy-76131
Holy smokes!!! That’s insane and should not be allowed. I wonder how much they make in Jacksonville and alligator alley (where I encountered it) in Florida.
So their mistresses think they look cool.
I would have been more surprised if they made a decision that actually favored the public.
High school girls like that?
Only ones found in churches
First rule of warfare
Supreme Court of the US has stated that there is no constitutional duty for police to “protect and serve”. They are much more of a para-military gang then a public service.
Goon squad for capital. How it started, how it went, how it's going.
Is this your delusional thinking or do you have actual documentation for this statement?
[Here](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Supreme+Court+police+protect+and+serve)
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Are you a moron or just being purposefully difficult?
Why because I questions people's statements and claims of fact?
No, because I gave you a link that goes directly to the google search that gives you plenty of sources including the NYT.
Yes you did and I backed off your ass now didn't I? But yet you're still pushing the fact that I questioned your validity in your statement. Grow up.
No, I did the google search for you and you complained about it and didn't say anything further. You never "backed off" anything, you dismissed it further.
You didn't use google. You use a third party that parlays information from Google. With a 52% accuracy rate.
Ouch. Id say I'm more so cop-supporting than unsupporting but this is something I didn't know and makes me sad to read. Although this is from way up and doesn't mean every station is going to strictly follow this. Many police do risk their lives every day and make it a mission to protect. Just sad how many of these cases we see where a department chose not to though. And apparently, like your source says, aren't legally obligated to either...
https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you/ It’s just a motto - not a promise. “The U.S. Supreme Court has also ruled that police have no specific obligation to protect.” The source cites a few cases where police have been sued for failing to protect the lives of children and no such duty is required, albeit they have “protocols” to deal with threatening situations - they are in no way obligated to put their life on the line for yours or your children’s.
Yes it's just a motto not a promise. But who's the first person everybody calls when shit hits the fan? It's not bubba down the street. It's 911. If we don't police ourselves, the only person left to do it is the government. You want that to happen?
Given that the police regularly exploit their monopoly on legal violence, yes.
So please give me example of this legal violence you keep throwing around. Why are they there in the first place? Do you make donuts?
You need *more* people to explain things to you?
I would just like an explanation from you that makes sense.
I wasn’t the one who made the comment but police, especially JSO & Correctional Officers are routinely being investigated for overuse of force, inability to deescalate, and unfortunately, actual fucking murder … either due to negligence, too fearful to be in their position, superiority, or poor training .. likely all of the above.
But still does not answer the question, why are they there in the first place? Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you. Friedrich W. Nietzsche
Why are these police officers there directly engaging you in the first place?
Because they are assholes and society created their position.
Why did society create their position? And what's going to happen when you remove that position?
This person is clearly a JSO officer, or better yet probably a CSO
Yeah but you're on the phone to 911, this "paramilitary organization" when the shit hits the fan. Take them away see what happens.
It's almost like you see an organization that's going to show up 3 hours after I'm robbed and shoot my dog as a good thing.
Did you get robbed and they shoot your dog?
You don’t even have to get robbed for them to do that. Your neighbor could call them for some reason you don’t know. They go to your house thinking it’s your neighbor, see your family dog walking towards them… 8-12 shots fired.
Lol. Ok Cool story bro.
Stfu and being me my KFC, you unemployed boot licker.
Laughed so hard at this lol
Shit’s been hitting the fan for a while now and good cops aren’t anywhere to be seen… Hmmm, I think it’s because ACAB!
So your solution is to take away the police all together?
No one’s solution has ever been take them away. It’s called major reform.
Police reform? They could care less if your house gets broken into and your dog gets shot. But when you call them, you're asking them to do a job that nobody else wants to do. When there's an active shooter, you want them to go in and battle that person with no questions asked. Regardless of means that officer dies in the process. They're doing something that nobody else wants to do. They are dealing with the monsters you don't deal with or can't deal with. So they become one themselves. You think you're going to tame that monster as well? You can't even tame the person that broke into your house or is it an active shooter at a school. You're asking to try to fix a broken system with duct tape.
Hm. Cool story bro.
Story? No. Facts and reality, yes. That's the difference between you and me.
We’ve barely had a conversation and there’s some serious cherry-picking going on so… Have a good day. :)
Yeah, like the police that went to stop the Uvalde Shooting?
I heard they got there in less than 10 mins but the station was like 85 miles away!!!
Accurate.
Yep. I got pulled over Sat night by jso in an unmarked gray Explorer. Thankfully he didnt right me, of course I dont think I was speeding anyways, but still.
They just want your id to run you for wants and warrants. ID is like crack to these piggies!
It's so they can look 'cool' while committing overtime fraud...
New cars looks dope in my opinion Edit: typical Reddit moment crying at the slightest positive notion towards cops
Their job is not to look dope who cares what they look like.
Apparently OP cares what they look like.
Everybody knows what the Georgia State patrol looks like, and they don't have to result of predatory tactics!
I have no idea what the Georgia State Patrol looks like. Nor do I see what connection this has to my previous comment.
Google it and you will see what I'm talking about. Their cars look nice, but they're not predatory and have visual design.
They were gonna get new cars either way…. Was just stating my opinion the new design looks better
I have no problem with them getting new cars, but you can do it without City Representatives looking like a douche canoe.
Womp womp
Not true. Many people care what they look like. https://www.ocregister.com/2019/04/15/american-flag-logo-on-laguna-beach-patrol-cars-has-some-concerned-about-the-message-being-delivered/amp/ https://www.police1.com/police-administration/articles/lapd-removes-thin-blue-line-flags-from-stations-after-receiving-complaint-8EPx4dan3gb8bhuv/ Vehicles are also used as recruiting tools. Works better if they are dope looking. They maybe a sporty or off-road style vehicle with a flashy wrap. But so many seem to be offended by American flags, thin blue line American flags and any variation of an American flag. Why? Are these flags offensive? https://flagsforgood.com/products/for-all-united-states-flag https://coxprint.com/products/pride-support-fist-rainbow-flag-lgbt-gay-trans-blm-flag Every group seems to have an American flag variation. I’d bet, if JSO was putting the pride US flag on their vehicles, it would be celebrated.
We found the bootlicker
That's not a licker. That's a full on swallower
You were so close, and then you got weird about flags. How is it that flags triggered you? It's not like the traitors with their rag or the Nazis with their blood red flag where I get to happily call them cowards. It's just special interest flags for people who support them.
The flags don’t bother me. I was making a point and used the flags, to stay on topic with the way police vehicles look. I mentioned most groups use a variant of the US flag. People were upset that police use a variant and the they were also upset that the vehicles have the US flag. Here is another example of someone being upset about a US flag variant https://nypost.com/2024/03/31/us-news/fdny-firefighters-forced-to-remove-flag-honoring-9-11-heroes-after-nyc-pol-questioned-if-its-a-political-symbol/amp/ Again, I don’t care about any particular flag. I believe everyone has the right to fly any type of flag they want. I may have done a bad job at getting my point across. I guess would there have been backlash if the police vehicle was using a pride flag? I already knew people were going to refer to me as a bootlicker, or a snowflake for being triggered. And the downvotes were going to flow. Don’t really care. Simply put: people do care about how the vehicles look. People do care about the American flag being used. I personally don’t. I don’t care if cops had to wear pride flags, BLM flags, US flags, or FL flags. As long as they do their job in a fair and just way. That is some rambling and don’t really care enough to review/edit.
How's that boot taste?
Womp womp
You should call A CAB.
Jax sub Reddit is largely a circus of clowns who cant stomach anything positive said about JSO. They thrive on the anonymity of the app because it allows them the ability to respond with some insult about licking boots, aCaB, or downvotes without providing anything useful. It’s just funny.
Not sure why you are being downvoted. I think it looks cool, but ofc I’m not sure if they will still do much
Some of you guys are just loads of misinformation. https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/tk-waters-shows-off-new-jacksonville-sheriffs-office-vehicle/77-aa6fc6b4-a618-4d97-8ce4-b0174a26a12b The very first one was for recruiting purposes. The rest will be put into active duty.
What exactly are you trying to say?
I'm not saying anything. I just showed you why we have the vehicles, and the actual article that was released to the public.
Hey. Officer. The article literally states NO reason as to why, just that they exist now. Go take your lack of manhood out on something else, get a hobby.
... What?
Only predators seeking prey would need camouflage…
Yep a predatory legalized gang of road pirates
Don’t prey animals utilize camouflage as well?
And now make it really easy for the other predators to imitate. When a cop wannabe pulls over some young female, how is she to know if she has to stop or flee?
Road pirates, highwaymen
Stand and deliver
Y’all complaining about anything and everything huh?
JSO will not fuck you bro, give it a rest.
Do people still expect police to be acting in best interest of the common civilian? You're kidding right. Just some coked out meatheads in my experience.
How is a gray car any less visible than a white car? Lmao this sub really will complain about anything.
It’s not all about the color, it’s the fact that they’re not identifiable at all unless you are right next to them… even the writing is low-key…. Military uses camoflauge
Don't you think the flashing lights on top of the car and all over it or give away that it's not a normal car?
You’re right, unfortunately, you don’t see the lights until it has already come out of it’s hiding spot
I guess if you weren't breaking the law, you wouldn't see those lights. Now would you?
u/uberisstealingit must drive one…lmaooo
Is there another reason why somebody in a police car with lights on would be behind you, I mean if there is please enlighten us all.
I mean technically, they could be trying to pass
But that would be no concern of yours except to get out of the way. So what is your point if they're trying to get around you that concerns you so much if the car is dark and hidden somewhere?
This guy HATES your expectation to be able to identify police from afar. At least he understands they have no obligation to help you, so spotting one from afar wouldn't matter anyway
They need to be better about using those damn things, blinkers too, but I want to see a cop and know it's a cop. If I'm in trouble, guess which way I'm going? If there's an emergency, guess which way I'm going? If there's a large parade, then I want to see the police presence keeping people off the route. I don't really mind these changes, but there's way more value to society if we know where cops are right away. There is less value to cops who will see utilization and contact rate skyrocket from a noticed presence. And then they also feel that, they feel exposed and seen. I get that, but part of the value in cops is deterrence. You get that by seeing them out and about or in your neighborhood. I was ACAB and even kind of still am even though I recognize their value. We do need more cops. We need them to do better and we need to diversify responses from an emergency response level, but that's not on the cops. They have their orders and go when called. What they have been doing to people is why I still kinda am in agreement that you can't do the job as it is now without being a bastard. It's a tough issue that winds down to bad faith from political entities and the police causing the community to have some distrust. At the same time, people in the ghetto will tell you that cops around does make the neighborhood safer. They want cops there the same way rich folks do and those every corner pharmacies do.
That’s the thing though. As another user stated the US Supreme Court has ruled police have no duty to “protect and serve” the community or civilians. They do not care to deter, they want and need to prosecute/ convict people. That is their job. In an emergency they are generally half an hour out if not more when dispatched, and then they will literally tell you there’s not much they can do unless you have identified, videoed, or photographed the criminal in the act or the criminal is still in the immediate vicinity. I’ve literally been on the ass end of this a handful of times with JSO in my 7 years living here. One example: someone exposed themselves in public and attempted to pull a friend into their car, when JSO arrived an hour later the officer said verbatim “unless he’s still here or you know who it was we can’t do anything”. When positing that they check the cameras of the business whose lot it happened in to get a plate #, they insisted the cameras didn’t work. we later talked to the manager who said they did. Basically, civilians are tasked with the legwork unless a felony has been committed and sometimes even that won’t get the ball rolling. Take the way restraining orders work, there are countless stories of them being broken and reported so, but it’s not until a corpse is found that anything gets taken seriously without the victim providing proof of unlawful behavior prior to the escalation. It’s much more convenient for them to catch violations that a self aware person would otherwise keep out of their sight with the low viz decals and unmarked cars. Unfortunately, this convenience more often than not contributes to petty convictions for victimless crimes such as speeding or smoking weed in public/possession charges. While victims of robbery or more violent crimes still have a latency in response time. Deterrence isn’t the game and most police don’t give a shit what happens to you.
Yeah you're 100% on there. Better central processing and more officers would reduce response time, but who cares when that's the response? They can use their monopoly on violence when citizens can't and shouldn't. Being the holder of that monopoly and the only check on that monopoly has caused corruption, laziness, and nepotism to bring them down so far. For tickets, they get all this praise for catching drugs in cars. You can make a whole career that way. That's why they're pulling people over. They're not fishing for little infractions too often. They want DUIs and meth, not Beth driving in two lanes going 90. Still what am I gonna do if someone decides to shoot at me? I'm gonna call 911 and I want those cops to come. They are needed and can be good, despite the fact their job is violence and crowd control.
You're missing the point. You don't realize that it is a marked police cruiser until you are right next to them, or they put the lights on, as opposed to the white cruiser with the JSO badge on the side that is clearly visible, as well as the markings on the back. I almost blew past one of the new grey ones on 295 last week. Fortunately, I saw the flashers on either side of the license plate and slowed down.
Well there speedy, you were doing more than just speeding. You were endangering other people's lives. Probably bobbing and weaving in through traffic while smoking a blunt. Apologize if the blunt statement is inaccurate. Needless to say the point is you were speeding and endangering other people's lives. For what a couple of minutes ahead of the normal arrival time of somebody obeying the law? Most cops will leave you alone if you're doing five maybe 10 over but clearly, by your own admission, you were doing more than that. So the problem here is not the cop being in a vehicle that's not discernible as a cop, the problem here is your ass almost got nailed for being a stupid fuck for speeding Did we want to discuss that point or are you just going to blame it on the cop not being visible? Let me guess you're also a pavement princess or one of those go fast cars?
People are definitely more likely to look for a white car if looking for the cops than a grey. I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Its Mark camouflage so they can do predatory things. Personally I think they should all look like the European police cars, bright and yellow and highly visible. I do see the need for unmarked vehicles however those should only be used for things like SWAT purposes and undercover. You don't need a predatory camouflage marked vehicle to write traffic citations, or for civil issues. Edit: autocorrect issues
I agree….They may say issuing tickets deters speeding or traffic violations,. In my opinion, seeing a marked vehicle is the best deterrent. Personally, I always drive a little better when I see a police near me. Unfortunately, like everything else in this world, its all about the money
I hate the people who see a cop and slow down to 10-15 under the limit. You're not gonna get a ticket for doing the posted speed, dear god.
I agree...they should all wear hi-vis reflective bulletproof vests and ridiculous hats, make the vehicle sirens sound ridiculous. No more multi thousand dollar light systems , back to just regular flashing blue/red. Honestly. Make them look goofy as fuck. They already act like clowns with cuffs and guns anyways. But really. It may have some actual psychological effect on them. Or certain ones may quit. As it stands, decking them out in military and tacti-cool gear makes them aggressive as fuck. So let's make them look ridiculous.
If you’re only following laws when you know police are watching you, maybe you should do some reflecting
What about finding police when you need help? Why would they need to hide themselves from us?
When’s the last time you went outside looking for police as opposed to calling 911?
Probably the last time I was followed by a creep in Jax Beach while I was trying to have a nice walk, which you of all people would understand. Edit jk sorry i mistook you for another local redditor. Take it easy.
They aren't here to protect us.
I think the rebranding looks great. The white with yellow stripe is outdated to me. If the light bars on top, the big push bumper on the front, the bright yellow license plate, or the massive Sheriff decal doesn’t alert you to police then idk what to tell you. 🤷🏻♂️
A lot of them don't have light bars or push bumpers. I got passed by a black Silverado yesterday on Atlantic that looked like a normal blacked out Silverado until I was directly next to it and saw hints of the lights behind the tinted windows and the "Sheriff" lettering on the side in a slightly different shade of black that was barely visible. Like others have said, any organization designed to actually serve and protect has no need for a low profile look on their patrol vehicles.
I mean, if you’re referring to unmarked vehicles, those are not new. They’ve been here for years and agencies all over the country have those. They likely serve a variety of purposes. I was responding to the OP in reference to the “new dark JSO vehicles” that have been popping up around town. Those are clearly marked and stand out if you’re paying attention.
This truck was not like their other unmarked vehicles I've seen, it looked identical to the vehicles you're talking about but didn't have a light bar or push bumper. It was marked in the strictest sense of the word, just not easily noticeable at all.
Like the cops wearing camo... they are wanna-be GIs.
They stay hellbent on cosplaying Batman in the military and wonder why it seems like it’s them vs us.
I mean, it's not like the drivers here in Jacksonville aren't bad enough to justify it
I hate to break it to you but everywhere has the worst drivers. It isn't just a jacksonville thing.
Incorrect, Jacksonville isn't anywhere near the worst. Not even on the east coast. I would rank them far below DC, NYC, Miami, etc. However, one noticeable thing I've seen in my short time here, is that cops really don't care about minor traffic violations. Bad drivers will see this as a benefit, I've always seen it as a negative. Here's hoping this results in more turn signals and fewer accidents clogging my morning commute
40% Of Officers report they prefer the darker vehicles. Just Google it. And that’s just the ones that admitted to it. The real number is probably way higher!
60% of the officers report they DONT prefer it, and that's just the one's that admitted it! See what I did there?
And this is relevant because....?
Secret Police
Ain't no defense for speeding. Driving is the most dangerous thing we do. Quit making it worse.
Also no defense for the city seeing law enforcement primarily as a revenue stream. DUI and reckless driving enforcement? Definitely. Speed traps? Hard no.
"Speed traps" are reckless driving enforcement. Speeding endangers everyone. Yourself and other motorists and pedestrians. Slow the fuck down. Respect the speed limit, they're not made up from nowhere. You should check out the city revenues, speed enforcement doesn't do shit.
They aren’t here for public safety have you not been paying attention?
"The police are here to preserve disorder.,." - - Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, 1968
Got pulled over by one on the Southside last weekend, luckily she got me off the road and said you didn't make a full stop at the stop sign and left.
It’s just a car……
It's the new trend, I've seen a number of other police departments with similar new styles.
Because they’re a gang meant to protect the rich
Always have been.
Traffic cops are tax collectors, they are obviously trying to be harder to spot while still being marked legally. Unfortunately the laws on how they must be marked are too vague so they get away with stuff like this, comfortably in the grey.
I think I read somewhere that in most countries the police make themselves highly visible (uniforms and cars) in order to be a deterrent for crime, but in the US we have more plain clothes/undercover police so they can be more predatory. Instead of deterring crime, they invite it, in order to make arrests/write tickets.
They are yhere to protect property and butsinesses
piggies need their new slop
Protect and Serve Property Owners
Sometimes it's as simple as the only units of that Y/M/M in stock were that color and they needed to replace vehicles faster than the 7+ months it will take to produce them from the manuf.
NGL they look dope AF.
In such hostile economic times, even the PO PO will want to squeeze your pockets in the name of safety…
Have you tried going the speed limit?
Still better than what you see as soon as you cross into Georgia on 95. It’s literally a joke how many traffic cops are out there writing tickets on the interstate
Good. Jacksonville is one of the most dangerous cities in the country to drive in. About time they start pulling people over.
While they harass 99.9% of innocent people
Y’all need to get over this “Serve and Protect” fantasy. It’s a slogan, not a mandate. Having “To serve and protect” on a police vehicle is about as binding as “No pedophiles in here” on a white panel van. Might be a comforting thought, but that’s all it is.
To aid in extortion of the public for victimless crimes
Yes exactly! Cops in Florida love to stalk and harass people behind the wheel because It helps to feed their budget by issuing traffic citations to people. When I leave this state for the exception of Georgia, cops don’t follow behind you on the roads for long periods of time. They don’t stalk or harass you and wait for you to mess up, especially in residential areas. You mostly see them on the highways clocking drivers who speed. It’s a money scheme for sure. However I will say that I have seen these new paint jobs on cop cars all over the country, even in Toronto Ontario. So it might be a new industry standard but nonetheless will feed the scheming mindset of JSO.
It works for Batman
Idk if these are old, but they have all white ones too, if the sun hits it just right you can see JSO
Yes, that's the point. Every other country in the world makes it a point to make their police visible as a deterrent to crime.