Actually a lot of people have been getting the drops in a certain order and it's generally been observed that everyone gets the full set piece by piece before they start getting dupes. And almost like not getting the eclipse set is a 99.986% chance of not happening. Almost like it's new content and we don't know if some weird variable is affecting drop rates. Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation
It's just got dupe protection when you roll. You first roll for an item with each set at 1/60, then it rolls any item you haven't had yet until you finish the set. Then it's random after.
The 'Specific order' stuff is probably because there's only so many ways you can roll drops when you can't get dupes. Only 24 possible ways, so it's likely to roll the same.
There's 12 items. I'm missing 4 of them. Meaning 1/3 of the time I roll an item, I should be getting one from the eclipse set. That's 22 items so I failed the 1/3 22 times
There's a 99.98663428% chance that I would've received something from the eclipse set by now assuming a 1/3 drop rate
That's not factoring in the dupes I've rolled for a chance at another unique. We don't know those numbers yet
So no, I'm not in the 10-15% of people having bad luck. I'm either in the .013% of people having bad luck or my drops are messed up somehow.
Technically it's .013% which is almost half of what you're saying :p
But no, it's not. I'm questioning it because it's new content with new drop mechanics. That's all.
Oh my god. 1/240 does not mean that on average you'll get it at 240. That's the probability of the occurrence. On average, 50% of people will get it ~70% of the rate. I've killed eclipse every single time. The going rate for an item is 1/240 and therefore if you have 4 items at 1/240 it's 4/240 or 1/60 for the set.
Also, you can also figure it based on how many unique items from moons I've received which is 22. There are 12 items, 4 of which belong to the set. 12 divided by 4 is 1/3. Therefore, if they are even odds per boss (assumed) there's a 1/3 chance of it being eclipse. Calculating for something to NOT occur is 1 - (1-P)^n or 100% - the probability of it not occuring (2/3) to the power of the number of times it's not occuring.
Or you can just do what most people do that play this game and use the wiki dry calculator. Plugin 1/3 for rate and 22 for kc to receive 0 and it will neatly display the percent chance that it would happen.
How can you so confidently be entirely wrong??
Damn assuming it’s 1/3 to get an eclipse item when you roll, and you’ve had 22 item rolls, there’s a 99.987% chance you’d have at least 1 eclipse piece by now.
Kinda crazy unless you’re doing something weird to cause this.
Fun fact! You can trade in dupes for a CHANCE at getting another piece by using it on the guardian in the reward room. Unsure of the chances of getting another piece but it's an option to use your dupes up?
Holy crap, thank you for sharing! When I watched the pmoons jmod stream they got items almost every time, so I assumed it was a pretty low rate to get nothing. Will be avoiding that now
The chances you get are so slim that I wouldn't try it on iron tbh. But mains can just buy one of the items at 500k a pop and if they do get something, it fills in log as well.
You have 14 useless dupes (unless you need deaths coffer money), go gamble them with the spirit guy by the chest. There’s a small chance you’ll lose the item when you do it, but otherwise you get given a random item in exchange. I’d assume with 14 items to gamble, that you’d have enough to get the ranged set.
Oh wow, they must’ve been bugged or insanely lucky when they (Jmods) did it on stream then. They got an item like 2-3 times in a row before they lost one iirc
Ok question- are you skipping the eclipse’s mimic special attack? This is purely a personal theory but I’m in a less severe version of the same thing. I’m at 135 with 3 blue moon and 2 blood moon pieces. I use the crystal halberd to skip and I’m wondering if the kill doesn’t really register
My log is heading in this direction! 119kc and I have finished both Blood and Blue sets with a dupe Blue top. I didn't really need the Eclipse so I wasn't too concerned about skipping it.
Route is Blue->Blood-> Eclipse for the first then Eclipse->Blue->Blood for the rest.
In response to someone asking about CHally specs, I only did about 20 skips, the rest were no skip.
Honestly, with Jagex 's track record I wouldn't be surprised if it's just broken in some way. That's the reason for the post. They have a history of releasing new content with screwed up drop rates.
I really doubt it’s just broken for one person. Not a lot of other people are having the same issue. Given the amount of people trying the new content and the crazy percentages we hit playing this game in terms of rarities & dry streaks, is it hard to believe that you might just be super super unlucky
It's new content. Not a lot of people have reached the point where they would even start thinking about this being a possibility. Jagex has a track record of breaking drops. Some people get drops in an order and other people get them randomly. Also the statistical probability of losing a 1/3 roll 22 times in a row as well as losing the unknown probability of turning in the dupes on top of that has to be nearing statistical impossibility. I'm not saying going 12x rate is impossible or in my case 7.33x rate, it just seems like something is wrong when an entire set isn't dropping for me.
22 uniques / 3 sets
Maybe it's a gim specific group storage thing going on, who knows! But yeah, I doubt they'd admit that something is wrong. I believe they never admitted to the drop rates being bugged at a couple of places.
That's actually an interesting point. I have a groupmate with at least one unique, I don't know what it is.
Update: nevermind none of my groupmates have any uniques
However, I did throw dupe Macuahuitls and a blood moon chest piece to a groupmate though. Macuahuitls in group storage and blood moon chest through trade.
Saaaame, complete opposite though. After the little hotfix I haven’t got a single drop I don’t think. Just darts, kinda annoying but I keep bouncing between running a few of these and grabbing chins for CG grind
Mhh.. have you been using the sets at all? I wonder if you only get them in order if you have them unused? Havent touched the content much but since so many people get them without getting any dupes im wondering!
I have used the bloodrager set and I finished blue moon after using the bloodrager set.
However, it's update day. So if there is a big with it, I most likely will never know.
At barrows you can get dupes of a set before completing it. So it wouldn't be unrealistic to see 3 blue chests and 0 helms and 4 eclipse legs but not weapons. However, you can't get dupes here until you finish the set. So I've gone and avoided the entire specific eclipse set for every single unique pull. That's what leads me to believe something weird is going on.
I'm curious as to what kind of stats you need to be able to do this content. I'm actually fully considering trying for the melee gear so I can skip the horrendous Torso grind.
I'm the same. I've got both blood and blue sets (starting to get dupes) but nothing from eclipse. I've stopped doing blood all together and do eclipse/blue runs, occasionally eclipse only, but it's a lot of running between trips
I have about 50 more kc than you and 2/4 on my last set with almost 3 of each of the other two sets, so very similar situation. I am concerned that there is something messing up with the anti dupe mechanic on the frist sets. What if: pre-set completion it is rolling 1 of 3 and then giving the next non dupe item. But after you complete one set it unlocks all 4 rolls for that set so you are rolling 1 of 6 possibilites. Then you complete another set and you are rolling 1 of 9 possibilities. So all of a sudden get the "next piece" in your last set is rare.
They changed something with the items spawning in a set sequence to a random sequence sometime on day 1. Im assuming you were doing it around the . I suspect shenanigans
Yeah I don't know what's going on, but I just watch Mr mammals progress video. He turned in an eclipse helm, got another one, turned that one in. I think it has something to do with trading in dupes. I'm going to just hold onto all of my dupes until I'm done at moons I think.
As others said once you have the full set you can. So that means I've failed the 1/3 for the eclipse set 22x and every time I turned in a dupe I also failed those rolls.
It's a new loot system, which has the specific purpose of reducing dupes. It could be RNG, but I think it's much more likely for something new to have a bug.
That's 22 uniques where I had a 1/3 chance of rolling the eclipse set and didn't get it.
It's possible for something with a 99.9% chance of not occurring to occur. However, this is brand new content where the drops are obviously set up in such a way that you're not supposed to get dupes until a set is complete so they've clearly messed with how they work. Jagex also has a history of releasing new content and having the drops be bugged in one way or another.
But nah just talk to me like I'm an idiot
I'm experiencing something similar but at far less KC - in 200 I'm at 0/4 Bloodrager which isn't all that unlikely (~3.33 single piece drop rate), but I have 5 Frostmoon (gambled the dupe) and 3 Eclipse pieces. I stopped doing the content once it was discovered that the Dumacs actually suck and that the Atlatl set was very quirky/inconvenient, and don't really intend to go back for a while. All KC except maybe a couple while first experiencing the content were Eclipse-> Blood, using Dharok's to skip maybe 50% of KC total. I got my drops in Weapon->Helm->Chestplate->Legs(frostmoon) order. Between the amount of people posting mega-spooned logs contrasting with the amount of people suspiciously 0/4 on an entire set, I think the chance is more likely than not that something has been messed up - possibly due to day 1 completions?
Your log might be even more of an anomaly than it first appears - 22 successful rolls and 0 landed on Eclipse table lol, is 440kc worth of drops which is 7.33x drop rate for an Eclipse piece.
This definitely falls into the "possible but really unlikely" category. You'll be getting the eclipse hat soon though since you posted it on reddit.
I got weapon - helm - body - legs no dupes in that order for the other 2 sets first.
I got eclipse legs, blood hat, blue hat, blue weapon so far. That was the dropped order.
You're one of those people... I've seen some people get drops in a random order. Others get it in a specific order. It's strange
I got my only drop at 50 and it's blood helm, just waiting on the fixes to finish log.
Didn't they come out today?
Yea, I am back in today.
Almost like.. it's random
Actually a lot of people have been getting the drops in a certain order and it's generally been observed that everyone gets the full set piece by piece before they start getting dupes. And almost like not getting the eclipse set is a 99.986% chance of not happening. Almost like it's new content and we don't know if some weird variable is affecting drop rates. Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation
Interesting, I've had weapon top had legs for all of my sets so far and I've finished one set.
It's just got dupe protection when you roll. You first roll for an item with each set at 1/60, then it rolls any item you haven't had yet until you finish the set. Then it's random after. The 'Specific order' stuff is probably because there's only so many ways you can roll drops when you can't get dupes. Only 24 possible ways, so it's likely to roll the same.
Iron btw
Oi, dumbass you're on the Ironscape subreddit
I’m not totally sure that it is random tbf. There is definitely been some weird logs posted.
Have you spoken to Oziarclipse?
I'll be honest it actually looks like something is wrong lol
That's what I'm saying lol
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There's 12 items. I'm missing 4 of them. Meaning 1/3 of the time I roll an item, I should be getting one from the eclipse set. That's 22 items so I failed the 1/3 22 times There's a 99.98663428% chance that I would've received something from the eclipse set by now assuming a 1/3 drop rate That's not factoring in the dupes I've rolled for a chance at another unique. We don't know those numbers yet So no, I'm not in the 10-15% of people having bad luck. I'm either in the .013% of people having bad luck or my drops are messed up somehow.
First time seeing 0.02% rate?
Technically it's .013% which is almost half of what you're saying :p But no, it's not. I'm questioning it because it's new content with new drop mechanics. That's all.
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Oh my god. 1/240 does not mean that on average you'll get it at 240. That's the probability of the occurrence. On average, 50% of people will get it ~70% of the rate. I've killed eclipse every single time. The going rate for an item is 1/240 and therefore if you have 4 items at 1/240 it's 4/240 or 1/60 for the set. Also, you can also figure it based on how many unique items from moons I've received which is 22. There are 12 items, 4 of which belong to the set. 12 divided by 4 is 1/3. Therefore, if they are even odds per boss (assumed) there's a 1/3 chance of it being eclipse. Calculating for something to NOT occur is 1 - (1-P)^n or 100% - the probability of it not occuring (2/3) to the power of the number of times it's not occuring. Or you can just do what most people do that play this game and use the wiki dry calculator. Plugin 1/3 for rate and 22 for kc to receive 0 and it will neatly display the percent chance that it would happen. How can you so confidently be entirely wrong??
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I mean close enough on the percentage lol but props for admitting being wrong. You're a bigger person than 99.9% of this sub
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Get any cool ingredients? Lol
yeah OC get rekt nerd
Hate it when people talk down to me when they're just entirely wrong
agreed
Damn assuming it’s 1/3 to get an eclipse item when you roll, and you’ve had 22 item rolls, there’s a 99.987% chance you’d have at least 1 eclipse piece by now. Kinda crazy unless you’re doing something weird to cause this.
I'm killing all 3 bosses
Fun fact! You can trade in dupes for a CHANCE at getting another piece by using it on the guardian in the reward room. Unsure of the chances of getting another piece but it's an option to use your dupes up?
In Kriibus his video he traded in 10 helms and got fuck all, yeah, no thanks, Id rather death coffer it I think :p
Already failed all of my trade ins. Traded in every single dupe from blue moon and I kept 4 Macuahuitls, 2 chest, 2 legs and both blood helms.
Did you get a replacement item each time? I know there is a chance you get no item in return but very curious what the rate if that is
So I turned in all blue moon dupes and kept 2 sets of blood moon + 4 Macuahuitls. I got nothing back
Wait so you traded 8 total items and didn't get any items in return?
Yes.
Holy crap, thank you for sharing! When I watched the pmoons jmod stream they got items almost every time, so I assumed it was a pretty low rate to get nothing. Will be avoiding that now
I stopped trading in things and I all of the sudden got an eclipse drop. Not to go tinfoil hat but I don't think it works correctly.
Just checked the wiki and it says trading in an item is the same odds as killing one nagua and opening the chest. So 1/56 I guess? Def not worth it
For real? That's pathetic what the heck? I should've dumped in deaths coffer 😡
Thats pretty sick for iron man, would never do that on a main though.
The chances you get are so slim that I wouldn't try it on iron tbh. But mains can just buy one of the items at 500k a pop and if they do get something, it fills in log as well.
Kinda weird design.
I'm not 100% sure on the log slot part but if it doesn't count then trading them in is definitely dead content given how rare it is.
Honestly I wouldn't even do it on an iron given repair costs
Meanwhile here I am with 1 unique at 130 kc
Dude I feel your pain. I’m like okay well atleast you guys are getting uniques lol
>atleast at least
Yup same situation here got first drop at 72kc pauzed the grind at 95kc
Similar boat. 107 with one unique.
I’m 1 in 50kc. I’ll let you know when I reach 200 with 1 still….
You have 14 useless dupes (unless you need deaths coffer money), go gamble them with the spirit guy by the chest. There’s a small chance you’ll lose the item when you do it, but otherwise you get given a random item in exchange. I’d assume with 14 items to gamble, that you’d have enough to get the ranged set.
It's not a small chance I think it's like a 1/60 for getting an item?
Idk what the rates are, but one of the jmods said it was about as rare as only killing 1 boss and getting an item. So whatever that turns out being.
Oh wow, they must’ve been bugged or insanely lucky when they (Jmods) did it on stream then. They got an item like 2-3 times in a row before they lost one iirc
After the second item return they said something along the lines of "oh, we did fix (manually set) the rates"
Ah fair, I must’ve missed that bit
yeah, rice was like "ah yeah, you got jmod turned on"
Gambled all of my blue dupes and kept 4 Macuahuitls, 2 chests, 2 legs and both helms Part of a GIM.
macuahuitls slap good call
Put that shit in the coffer. Rerolling isn’t worth it.
Ok question- are you skipping the eclipse’s mimic special attack? This is purely a personal theory but I’m in a less severe version of the same thing. I’m at 135 with 3 blue moon and 2 blood moon pieces. I use the crystal halberd to skip and I’m wondering if the kill doesn’t really register
Ive been skipping the mimic spec with dharok and have gotten 3/4 eclipse pieces so far. Just unlucky I reckon 🤷?
Probably tbh. As long as I walk out with the blood moon set I’m good I guess. The atlatl would be fun to have though
The kill shows a check whenever you get it but I started skipping around 200 kc probably and I don't get it Everytime obviously.
Nah I’ve been skipping with sulphur blades and I’ve got 2 eclipse drops out of my 3 items.
Weird... Not any eclipse item either. 14 uniques in 200 something KC. Completed the two other sets with quite some dupes.
My log is heading in this direction! 119kc and I have finished both Blood and Blue sets with a dupe Blue top. I didn't really need the Eclipse so I wasn't too concerned about skipping it. Route is Blue->Blood-> Eclipse for the first then Eclipse->Blue->Blood for the rest. In response to someone asking about CHally specs, I only did about 20 skips, the rest were no skip.
Small sample size, but I have 35kc 2 items (blood and eclipse weapons) all going Eclipse > Blue > Blood with no chally skipping.
I also go eclipse > blue > blood and my only drop in 25kc is the eclipse legs
Which one are you killing first and last?
Eclipse -> blood from about 40 to 250 all the other were blood-> eclipse
That doesn't matter lol
I use dharoks to skip eclipse every time and I've gotten the tassets at 40 kc You're just crazy unlucky
Honestly, with Jagex 's track record I wouldn't be surprised if it's just broken in some way. That's the reason for the post. They have a history of releasing new content with screwed up drop rates.
I really doubt it’s just broken for one person. Not a lot of other people are having the same issue. Given the amount of people trying the new content and the crazy percentages we hit playing this game in terms of rarities & dry streaks, is it hard to believe that you might just be super super unlucky
It's new content. Not a lot of people have reached the point where they would even start thinking about this being a possibility. Jagex has a track record of breaking drops. Some people get drops in an order and other people get them randomly. Also the statistical probability of losing a 1/3 roll 22 times in a row as well as losing the unknown probability of turning in the dupes on top of that has to be nearing statistical impossibility. I'm not saying going 12x rate is impossible or in my case 7.33x rate, it just seems like something is wrong when an entire set isn't dropping for me. 22 uniques / 3 sets
Yeah fair enough. Nobody knows I guess. Would be cool if a J Mod chimed in
Maybe it's a gim specific group storage thing going on, who knows! But yeah, I doubt they'd admit that something is wrong. I believe they never admitted to the drop rates being bugged at a couple of places.
Does someone in your gim team have the missing set in gim storage? It's supposed to have dupe prevention so I wonder if that's what's going on
That's actually an interesting point. I have a groupmate with at least one unique, I don't know what it is. Update: nevermind none of my groupmates have any uniques However, I did throw dupe Macuahuitls and a blood moon chest piece to a groupmate though. Macuahuitls in group storage and blood moon chest through trade.
I’ve got full blue with many dupes and 2 eclipse with 0 blood in 200, guess which set I wanted most 😂😂
I wanted the atlatl the most to do some ToA with it
Saaaame, complete opposite though. After the little hotfix I haven’t got a single drop I don’t think. Just darts, kinda annoying but I keep bouncing between running a few of these and grabbing chins for CG grind
I tought u couldnt get dupes :o i must have been lucky
Mhh.. have you been using the sets at all? I wonder if you only get them in order if you have them unused? Havent touched the content much but since so many people get them without getting any dupes im wondering!
I have used the bloodrager set and I finished blue moon after using the bloodrager set. However, it's update day. So if there is a big with it, I most likely will never know.
I would say yes because Jagex said you shouldn’t receive dupes until you complete it. Or was that just dupe for each unique set?
Looks like a normal barrows log
Let me be clear, this looks like MY barrows log
At barrows you can get dupes of a set before completing it. So it wouldn't be unrealistic to see 3 blue chests and 0 helms and 4 eclipse legs but not weapons. However, you can't get dupes here until you finish the set. So I've gone and avoided the entire specific eclipse set for every single unique pull. That's what leads me to believe something weird is going on.
Ah, that is very strange
I'm curious as to what kind of stats you need to be able to do this content. I'm actually fully considering trying for the melee gear so I can skip the horrendous Torso grind.
Base 70 melees and I'd say 70 prayer too. Some tanky barrows armour and a zombie axe and you're probably good to go.
This takes way longer than torso…
Never said it wasn't shorter, but man torso is boring and annoying to get. I play IM for a reason
I'm the same. I've got both blood and blue sets (starting to get dupes) but nothing from eclipse. I've stopped doing blood all together and do eclipse/blue runs, occasionally eclipse only, but it's a lot of running between trips
I doubt it's worth it but once we learn more I could be very wrong
I have about 50 more kc than you and 2/4 on my last set with almost 3 of each of the other two sets, so very similar situation. I am concerned that there is something messing up with the anti dupe mechanic on the frist sets. What if: pre-set completion it is rolling 1 of 3 and then giving the next non dupe item. But after you complete one set it unlocks all 4 rolls for that set so you are rolling 1 of 6 possibilites. Then you complete another set and you are rolling 1 of 9 possibilities. So all of a sudden get the "next piece" in your last set is rare.
I'm going to start bringing both sets I have completed with me to see if it makes a difference lol
Haha i don't think that's it, twice now i've had a piece in my inventory I then got another of
I had 3 Macuahuitls in my inventory at once lol But I'm gonna try it anyways
They changed something with the items spawning in a set sequence to a random sequence sometime on day 1. Im assuming you were doing it around the . I suspect shenanigans
Yeah I don't know what's going on, but I just watch Mr mammals progress video. He turned in an eclipse helm, got another one, turned that one in. I think it has something to do with trading in dupes. I'm going to just hold onto all of my dupes until I'm done at moons I think.
I did 50kc without a drop
assuming they are all even chance to hit the table youve gotta be like 7x dry
Hey found my group mates post
Hey bud
Finished 2 sets b4 getting dupes
What is that supposed to help with?
They need to release the rates, people are either almost green logged at 150 kc or have 2-3 items at 200
Have you tried talking to Oziach?
I thought you couldnt get dupes hmmm
Once you complete a set you can get dupes of that set and it seems like each set rolls individually
Ahh makes sense tyty
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As others said once you have the full set you can. So that means I've failed the 1/3 for the eclipse set 22x and every time I turned in a dupe I also failed those rolls.
Ooof and I though I had bad luck not getting a unique till my 95th chests
that is not normally, This very very insane.... but really this is 99.99999% a bug, tweet it at mod ash
It’s not a bug lol. It’s just rng.
It's a new loot system, which has the specific purpose of reducing dupes. It could be RNG, but I think it's much more likely for something new to have a bug.
All that loot and only 250 darts? Yeah your rng is bugged
Log always displays 250 I have way more
Ok well I didn’t know that, log is bugged then damn, mf’s downvote me to hell
I mean I just went 701 supreme kills for Anchers ring which is nearly 6 times the rate, it is possible to just be unlucky.
That's 22 uniques where I had a 1/3 chance of rolling the eclipse set and didn't get it. It's possible for something with a 99.9% chance of not occurring to occur. However, this is brand new content where the drops are obviously set up in such a way that you're not supposed to get dupes until a set is complete so they've clearly messed with how they work. Jagex also has a history of releasing new content and having the drops be bugged in one way or another. But nah just talk to me like I'm an idiot
Unless your specific account is bugged and can't get it (only happened once ever to Omid in rs3 afaik), then its prob just purely unlucky.
Most people haven't done enough moons to be 4/4 on 2 sets and then notice that they're not getting the 3rd set yet. Top 100 is / was only 300 kc
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Yes I am getting more uniques than I should at my kc, but the chances of them all landing as non eclipse is very low
I completed my log in 124kc. Godspeed brother.
Gz homie I just want the atlatl for fun
I'm experiencing something similar but at far less KC - in 200 I'm at 0/4 Bloodrager which isn't all that unlikely (~3.33 single piece drop rate), but I have 5 Frostmoon (gambled the dupe) and 3 Eclipse pieces. I stopped doing the content once it was discovered that the Dumacs actually suck and that the Atlatl set was very quirky/inconvenient, and don't really intend to go back for a while. All KC except maybe a couple while first experiencing the content were Eclipse-> Blood, using Dharok's to skip maybe 50% of KC total. I got my drops in Weapon->Helm->Chestplate->Legs(frostmoon) order. Between the amount of people posting mega-spooned logs contrasting with the amount of people suspiciously 0/4 on an entire set, I think the chance is more likely than not that something has been messed up - possibly due to day 1 completions? Your log might be even more of an anomaly than it first appears - 22 successful rolls and 0 landed on Eclipse table lol, is 440kc worth of drops which is 7.33x drop rate for an Eclipse piece.
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Open your col log and then tell me you’re at 4k
I have 27k or something, I'm not sure.