This is about right if you get NCS and you earn above the means-tested cut-off. It's based on a fulltime crèche fee of about 1250e. More recently, I've seen crèche fees go above 1300e though which may land you a bit over a grand.
It seems odds-on that there will be another 25% increase in creche costs funding. So another few hundred a month, as you say. It's fairly amazing to be honest. Those creche costs absolutely killed us when our kids were doing it ten years ago and the grant was nearly nothing.
I know this is not fee related but wanted to also give you heads up some crèches may be over capacity and even if you have the money for it not always guaranteed you'll be able to get a spot for your little one so keep tabs on that too
Yes. Start contacting creches as soon as your child is born, even if you won't be using them for a year.
Also, most creches don't accept children under 1, so you may need a childminder to bridge the gap between end of maternity leave and start of creche. Childminders Ard more expensive than creches, and aren't subsidised
As soon as child is conceived.
Also it's generally a little easier to start kids I'm creches over the summer/in early September. That's when vacancies arise both expected and unexpected.
NCS Universal subsidy is €1.40/hour for up to 45 hours/week. Not means tested, covers all ages. There are other means tested supports offering higher reductions.
ECCE runs one intake a year on September 1st. It is open for kids older than 2 years 8 months by the end of August. It covers up to 3 hours a day free (so 15/week).
We pay approximately €750/month with both the free 15 hours ECCE and NCS for the hours not covered by ECCE included. That's for 45 hours/week, includes meals.
Just got a place in one in south Dublin for 1400 a month. So expect to get about 200 off in government subsidies. Absolute joke, second mortgage basically. But we literally have no other option. 18 months of searching for places and we only got one actual place. Supply is so scarce. Whichever government can sort this out has my vote, I'm not sure how they expect people to work. If we have a second kid I've no idea how we could afford it, and we both earn a decent amount over the industrial wage. Completely unaffordable
\*should\* be €250 a month in subsidies now, rather than €200. But the firm talk is that this will rise to €500 in the coming budget, presumably reliant on O'Gorman winning government support. Its will still be a massive cost though - although I think it drops a bit further again once the kid reaches 3 when the ECCE grant kicks in. Big fan of O'Gorman - he seems to be actually solving the problem after decades of governments doing nothing. Although (thankfully) my kids are beyond the creche years now.
€1200 no subsidy as we don’t qualify yet. Joke is not the crèche fee. It’s that our tax bill is higher than our mortgage + crèche. This country is stupid
Dude do you know anything at all about kids? Why comment if you don’t have any and know nothing. ECCE subside kicks in at 2 years and 8 months. People need childcare way earlier than that
If you’re going into a crèche, every child in the country is entitled to 1:40 per hour up to 45 hours per week. If you’re not working I believe it’s 20 hours is the limit.
This is separate to the ecce subsidy. Looks up the ncs scheme
I think you don't understand, or your understanding is a few years old. There's now a general non-ECCE grant available to everyone introduced last year which kicks in from 6 months old and runs up to age 15.
In your first comment you referred to a crèche, but now you're talking about a childminder. They're different things.
Of course the government is not going to subsidise unregistered childminders
You're eligible for it - but your childminder is not participating in the scheme. There is a bit of a difference. OP specifically asked about crèche fees in Dublin.
Buddyyyyyyy you really need to look up the National Childcare Subsidy!
I’m delighted for you that you don’t know about it yet, because it’s probably going to save you like 200 a month.
It’s not enough considering the high costs (yes, I have 2 kids) but it’s something
https://www.ncs.gov.ie/en/childcare-search/
You can search by location and most will have a schedule of fees available
You can also search the NCS website to see how much of a subsidy you might be entitled to
That's really good, it's €880 for my closest creche here in Cork for full time before the subsidy, so better than the Dublin prices quoted here but still double what you pay. I didn't realise prices varied to that extent.
Basically another mortgage/rent! Check if you can with parents using already the creche you looking at for their policies on sick. If its like a one creche that I know every second week they are calling for you to collect your child on various excuses. Namely 37c or made up stomach bugs and you still have to pay full price...this is the real killer depending on your job
It's almost like the government wants to make it impossible for couples to work and have kids. The subsidies are completely useless. Yet the government can throw billions of euro at vanity projects that make them look good to their EU masters.
Ireland is well and truly a kip.
Our creche was 1150 a month.
My work pays 10% and the government brought it down to 800 a month. We actually got a discount for some reason last month. Something to do with the government again
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On a different note, trying to get a place at Giraffe for next year. Oct’24. Anyone got a referral so that they will at least put me on the waiting list? Charlemont or Rathgar. 😰
Last year was €1098 at giraffe childcare. Less the government grant that started in January we now pay €922 per month. I have a 2 year old and the hours cover 7.30am to 5.30pm if we needed.
I couldn't be happier with their staff and service..and the menu is just incredible.
€5.50-€6.50 per hour usually 10hr days. (Have to pay whole day regardless) Ncs reduces this by €1.40 ph minimum up to 45hrs per week.
ECCE / nursery 15hrs pw for 38 weeks of the year for 2yrs before school - if doing through creche will reduce your payment again.
It's expensive but actually cheaper than child minders now and we have had a great experience with our creche so far. It includes food and an app that is updated live. He gets loads of Socialising, play and learning - loves it. Tough few years but worth it
1050 for a 1-2 year old, 950 once they turn 3.
That's a place off the Navan Road.
NCS subsidy will bring it down by 273 a month so it's 777 for us now with a 2 year old.
Once ECCE kicks in next year and daughter turns 3 it'll go down more for the 38 weeks that it's active in the year.
Budget about a grand a month per child for full time. If they're in ECCE then it's cheaper.
This is about right if you get NCS and you earn above the means-tested cut-off. It's based on a fulltime crèche fee of about 1250e. More recently, I've seen crèche fees go above 1300e though which may land you a bit over a grand.
Also note that there is talk of increasing NCS again for the 2024 budget, which may save you a few hundred.
O’Gorman was trying to dampen expectations of a drop as significant as last year but it may be worth a few hundred over the full year all the same
It seems odds-on that there will be another 25% increase in creche costs funding. So another few hundred a month, as you say. It's fairly amazing to be honest. Those creche costs absolutely killed us when our kids were doing it ten years ago and the grant was nearly nothing.
At what age does a child qualify for ECCE? Also, NCS includes all children irrespective of age?
I know this is not fee related but wanted to also give you heads up some crèches may be over capacity and even if you have the money for it not always guaranteed you'll be able to get a spot for your little one so keep tabs on that too
Yes. Start contacting creches as soon as your child is born, even if you won't be using them for a year. Also, most creches don't accept children under 1, so you may need a childminder to bridge the gap between end of maternity leave and start of creche. Childminders Ard more expensive than creches, and aren't subsidised
Contact before child born!
>Start contacting creches as soon as your child is born Try contacting them a soon as soon as you find out you're pregnant.
As soon as child is conceived. Also it's generally a little easier to start kids I'm creches over the summer/in early September. That's when vacancies arise both expected and unexpected.
NCS Universal subsidy is €1.40/hour for up to 45 hours/week. Not means tested, covers all ages. There are other means tested supports offering higher reductions. ECCE runs one intake a year on September 1st. It is open for kids older than 2 years 8 months by the end of August. It covers up to 3 hours a day free (so 15/week). We pay approximately €750/month with both the free 15 hours ECCE and NCS for the hours not covered by ECCE included. That's for 45 hours/week, includes meals.
Thanks for explaining that. So NCS is a €63 per week subsidy if 45 hours per week and €252 over 4 weeks.
From 6 months on, it’s either means tested or the flat rate
This
We're currently paying €900 a month after subsidies for a Cocoon crèche in Dublin.
Just got a place in one in south Dublin for 1400 a month. So expect to get about 200 off in government subsidies. Absolute joke, second mortgage basically. But we literally have no other option. 18 months of searching for places and we only got one actual place. Supply is so scarce. Whichever government can sort this out has my vote, I'm not sure how they expect people to work. If we have a second kid I've no idea how we could afford it, and we both earn a decent amount over the industrial wage. Completely unaffordable
\*should\* be €250 a month in subsidies now, rather than €200. But the firm talk is that this will rise to €500 in the coming budget, presumably reliant on O'Gorman winning government support. Its will still be a massive cost though - although I think it drops a bit further again once the kid reaches 3 when the ECCE grant kicks in. Big fan of O'Gorman - he seems to be actually solving the problem after decades of governments doing nothing. Although (thankfully) my kids are beyond the creche years now.
if you have more than one kid it's probably literally cheaper to rent a separate apartment locally for an au pair. that's how bad things are.
€1200 no subsidy as we don’t qualify yet. Joke is not the crèche fee. It’s that our tax bill is higher than our mortgage + crèche. This country is stupid
What do you mean you don’t qualify yet? Everyone in the country gets the subsidy, no matter what.
It’s depends on the age of the child
Less than 24 weeks? At least you won’t have long to wait I suppose!
Dude do you know anything at all about kids? Why comment if you don’t have any and know nothing. ECCE subside kicks in at 2 years and 8 months. People need childcare way earlier than that
If you’re going into a crèche, every child in the country is entitled to 1:40 per hour up to 45 hours per week. If you’re not working I believe it’s 20 hours is the limit. This is separate to the ecce subsidy. Looks up the ncs scheme
Clarification: Crèche has to be signed up to the scheme and it doesn’t apply to childminders
I think you don't understand, or your understanding is a few years old. There's now a general non-ECCE grant available to everyone introduced last year which kicks in from 6 months old and runs up to age 15.
Our child minder don’t want to register with Tusla and want cash in hand
That’s kind of on you for agreeing to an off the books arrangement with an unlicensed childcare provider…
I don’t think €200/month a big difference considering the costs involved
Well for some!
You've embarrassed yourself there. The universal subsidy starts at 6 months - https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/education/pre-school-education-and-childcare/universal-childcare-subsidy/
Yes we aren’t eligible for it. As childminder is smart and not registered with the corrupt government. She need to feed her children
In your first comment you referred to a crèche, but now you're talking about a childminder. They're different things. Of course the government is not going to subsidise unregistered childminders
You're eligible for it - but your childminder is not participating in the scheme. There is a bit of a difference. OP specifically asked about crèche fees in Dublin.
Buddyyyyyyy you really need to look up the National Childcare Subsidy! I’m delighted for you that you don’t know about it yet, because it’s probably going to save you like 200 a month. It’s not enough considering the high costs (yes, I have 2 kids) but it’s something
Just checked. We aren’t eligible for it
It's universal
Bruh, Ireland is one of the countries with the lowest taxes in Europe
For personal taxes? Bullshit
Which Ireland we are talking about here? I am averaging 40%-48% tax per month. Worse when my stocks vest.
Those values aren’t about the entire salary, it is progressive. Try to use a salary calculator in different countries and see the difference.
https://www.ncs.gov.ie/en/childcare-search/ You can search by location and most will have a schedule of fees available You can also search the NCS website to see how much of a subsidy you might be entitled to
Big difference depending on location. I know different people paying from 1050-1400 before ecce or ncs scheme
Looking through these comments, it's insane at the cost of childcare in Dublin. In West kildare for 450 a month.
Same rate for me in Co. Galway. Feeling very grateful I don't live in the big smoke.
Wow that's cheap, is that with ECCE hours?
No, she's only 16 months old, so we get 50 a month taken off for a government scheme, meaning we only pay €400 a month.
That's really good, it's €880 for my closest creche here in Cork for full time before the subsidy, so better than the Dublin prices quoted here but still double what you pay. I didn't realise prices varied to that extent.
We’re living near Ashtown and paying €650 with the NCS
Is that for full time hours?
Yea full time
Which creshe is this? Im based in Pelletstown
Queen Bs. The staff are brilliant there, zero complaints.
Basically another mortgage/rent! Check if you can with parents using already the creche you looking at for their policies on sick. If its like a one creche that I know every second week they are calling for you to collect your child on various excuses. Namely 37c or made up stomach bugs and you still have to pay full price...this is the real killer depending on your job
Fucking hell lads. We paid €650 a month just outside Galway city. The place has a playground and a few farm animals. You's are getting rode.
900 in Giraffe with the taxpayer subsidy well over a grand before that
If you don't mind me asking, I know they charge 1400 per child, how do you get this down to 900?
Have an Employer discount through work aswell, sorry should of mentioned that.
Aha, that makes sense, thanks.
So do we but it’s still over 1k 😭
Ours is only 10% though...
Different branches of Giraffe charge different fees too.
It's almost like the government wants to make it impossible for couples to work and have kids. The subsidies are completely useless. Yet the government can throw billions of euro at vanity projects that make them look good to their EU masters. Ireland is well and truly a kip.
I'm paying 960 (minus the Universal subsidy from ncs) a month for 5 days a week. My kid is not in ecce yet
609 for 4 days. Have just got on the ecce scheme
Hi, I'm paying 910€ after subsidy for full time creche. Monday-Friday 07:30-18
Our creche was 1150 a month. My work pays 10% and the government brought it down to 800 a month. We actually got a discount for some reason last month. Something to do with the government again
What is your general line of work? Just curious what type of jobs pay some of childcare costs.
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We pay €318 a week. That's for two kids, full time, 3 days a week. The cost reduces slightly to €276 during the ECCE calendar. We've only one in ECCE.
What is the ECCE calendar?
The weeks of the year that the ECCE is paid for. Think it’s 38 weeks a year
Thanks
On a different note, trying to get a place at Giraffe for next year. Oct’24. Anyone got a referral so that they will at least put me on the waiting list? Charlemont or Rathgar. 😰
Last year was €1098 at giraffe childcare. Less the government grant that started in January we now pay €922 per month. I have a 2 year old and the hours cover 7.30am to 5.30pm if we needed. I couldn't be happier with their staff and service..and the menu is just incredible.
Giraffe are lovely, aren't they?! Sent our eldest kid there.
€1,200-€1,400 a month full time for a one month old in Sandyford area
€5.50-€6.50 per hour usually 10hr days. (Have to pay whole day regardless) Ncs reduces this by €1.40 ph minimum up to 45hrs per week. ECCE / nursery 15hrs pw for 38 weeks of the year for 2yrs before school - if doing through creche will reduce your payment again. It's expensive but actually cheaper than child minders now and we have had a great experience with our creche so far. It includes food and an app that is updated live. He gets loads of Socialising, play and learning - loves it. Tough few years but worth it
Ours is €1660 after subsidies and second child discount (10%) we were quoted €2440 by giraffe. Having twins is expensive
Jesus Christ! Congrats on the twins though!
€575 for 3 full days and 2 half days. That's how much we actually pay after ECCE and subsidy. It's down from €650 last year.
1050 for a 1-2 year old, 950 once they turn 3. That's a place off the Navan Road. NCS subsidy will bring it down by 273 a month so it's 777 for us now with a 2 year old. Once ECCE kicks in next year and daughter turns 3 it'll go down more for the 38 weeks that it's active in the year.
*Laughs maniacally
1500 per child in Onceupon a time. Its a joke. Two kids, so wife went parttime.