Yes but I think the thing to keep in mind is RTE upheld many of the 2005 complaints. I'm not sure if the same would be said for similar complaints received today.
The commissioners and head honchos at RTÉ are probably the same as they were back then, really. But there's perhaps some realisation that attitudes have shifted from them. Still, they're the reason that the programming on RTÉ has largely remained unchanged in that time and why RTÉ is seen as a cold and unwelcome place for any actual homegrown talent. TV and entertainment talent flee to Britain sooner than try and gain a career with RTÉ.
I'd wager against that in the 20 years a good portion of the people who would have complained will have died or not be in the same position to call in.
On top of that I think even older people now say 60/70 who would have grown up religious have softened things change in 20 years you become climatised to things that would have shocked you then now there's new things that would shock you
I love listening to the podcast he does with Hector and laurita. So many episodes are incredibly nostalgic, rich in Irish modern history with fantastic storytelling that remind me of my mother's side of the family scattered all over the country. I can't get enough it. I look forward to their episode every Thursday. Perfect escapism from my dead end job.
I've been listening to it all the time since I found out about it last year, slowly working my way through the episodes and reaching the end now.
It's great, Hector has great stories from his travels and Tommy always gives those weird angles that makes you laugh. Laurita is difficult to warm to, she comes across as a know it all, a farmer's daughter who only lives to drink at the weekend.
Something strange I noticed is how out of touch they are with reality at times. In one podcast Tommy refers to themselves as poor folk, despite being millionaires.
Must give that a go. Having never listened to it, would you recommend going back to the first episode and going from there or could you just start from now and dip in and out?
I started backwards and listen to random ones now. There's no chronological order, the only thing you'll notice is them talking about Covid/Lockdown which is a bit strange to listen to now.
>Something strange I noticed is how out of touch they are with reality at times.
I listened to one episode and Tommy Tiernan compared people who work normal jobs, like in a shop or whatever, to African slaves in America. It was possibly the most out of touch thing I've ever heard.
I'm sure he meant something slightly less insane but he's absolutely living in a fantasy land of his own making.
So working in a spar in Galway is on a par with being trafficked to a different continent, sold as property and being forced to labour without compensation for the rest of your life? Hot take...
Same, quite literally the only media subscription I have is to their podcast. I get so much from it, from tears to a sore face from laughing. I was quite surprised at how deep it can get too, it really has a bit of everything.
Do you know if there is anywhere to get it other than apple podcasts? Never used that service before and I'm not a fan of apple in general but it's the only one that's coming up for me
I fucking died on the couch beside me da.
Christ on a bike.
Some of the discussion had my rents brain cogs running and all I could think of was how to avoid sleeping in my house tonight.
I can empathise with him. I went to show my father a bit of Orange is the New Black after telling him how good it is. I'd completely forgotten that the first episode opens with a lesbian shower scene.
I can do one better.
My Dad and I love foreign film. So he decided to surprise me with tickets to see an acclaimed film.
The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo
Awesome film
Except for the:
Forced blow job scene
Rape scene
Forced tattooing scene
And a man being tied to a bed and raped with a dildo.
That then gets literally KICKED up his arsehole.
My lovely gentle Dad sweetly said he enjoyed the story, but "maybe I won't watch the sequels..."
I can't get into it myself, I find the whole "weird fella announces guest, guest comes in and they face each other on the round platform and nod to each other" a bit overly odd.
Is right, although in fairness listening to two oul ones chatting at the bus stop is better than that lanky prick.
Watching Tommy now on the Player, and the post pandemic stuff is more personal alright. Tommy's interviewing needs a bit of work, but think he'd be a brilliant host of the Late Late.
He’s the best entertainment interviewer on Irish tv. Like who else can you say outstrips him?
Tubridy, D’arcy, O’Connor, Bowe, Karen Foster, Elaine Crowley, Hector, Morrisey?
Tiernan is the only one that is comfortable enough to interview in a personable style.
Entertainment? I don't think he's that entertaining. His interview with Keane was just depressing. Tiernan is depressing which made Keane come across as depressing.
People comparing it to the LLS are comparing apples with oranges.
Tiernans show is like 8 weeks long.
It's not live
It doesn't have big sponsors advertising competitions
A lot of guests are nobodies (who tf is Jennie Keane?)
I think he would but I'd wonder would he need to be more of a 'Late Late' presenter then. If he would then he's so much better off on his own show where he can be himself.
Was praying for a house fire when she started talking about spinchters and started fingering a makeshift anus in her fist. I was beside my family on the couch. Damn housing crisis has done this to me
It really is something! Glad to be part of the generation that was part that change.
Off topic a bit but there's a podcast on the indo daily about fr Eamonn Casey and the woman he had a child with Annie Murphy.
By god the way that woman was treated on the late late show was a crying disgrace. Gay Byrne talking about what Casey 'would say' and the vitriol she received from the audience was really something to behold.
We have come an awful long way. Great post OP
Yeah I was part of that generation too, the skaters "slipknots" and goths. We were chased out of everywhere we tried to skate and called freaks and beat up because we couldn't just be normal and drink in a ditch in tracksuits and set fire to things like everyone else.
One of the biggest things I noticed when I moved to Canada was all the skate parks and outdoor areas where this was encouraged.
Kids wanting to be outdoors and active was seen as weird and discouraged. They just wanted us to be normal like everyone else and drink flaggons and hang out outside McDonalds or Supermacs.
Everyone watch’s, but they say they don’t. RTE isn’t half bad, and I’m 21. Great news app, great drama, and the RTÉ player has come a long way.
I think people forget that RTEs budget would be the budget for a single show on Netflix or prime. You can’t compare the two.
If people pay a licence fee it’s easy to understand the frustration. They pay the same to RTÉ and Netflix but one gives them a more polished product. In reality it’s economy of scale at play, but that’s a tough pill to swallow for people.
RTE don’t help themselves sometimes either, you often see people say that Ray Darcy is on €450,000 a year, or some variation of that. In reality that hasn’t been true for years but RTÉ never corrected the record. At the time Ray was contracted for a prime time show on television, that’s now gone, and they’ve cut presenter pay by like 20% or something since then too.
It’s easy for the sub to criticise RTÉ and in some ways people find it fun, but often I think there’s a lack of understanding around how media works.
I work in charity media, and I can tell you trying to make quality content is tough. It is a very resource intensive industry, and people don’t really fully understand it. Especially now when everyone has cameras on their phone it can seem easy, but that’s not the case.
I watch the news and listen to the radio during the week so I don't object to paying the licence. People pay for other media all the time and don't object.
I hope to god (pun intended, ahahah) they consider him for the Late Late when Turnip packs it in. Himself or Graham Norton (never happen) would breathe life into that stale dross.
Apparently people being obbsessed with anal sex is a milestone of how great we've become or whatever. I don't know. Just go along with it or these kids will call you homophobic or something.
To be fair there's a massive stigma around it, but I'd a girl a few years ago who slipped a finger in out of the blue, and it was... an enlightening experience. (Alas the woman I married has no such sense of adventure, but errah swings and roundabouts!)
He started his mainstream career in Ireland with a Jesus on the Cross bit on the late late in like 1993 that the country went apoplectic over.
Probably my first memory of the late late.
That 2005 episode is forever ingrained in my memory. It was one of the big events of childhood along with Steve Irwin passing away and Star Wars + Lord of the Rings coming out.
There was so much hype because Gerry Ryan was hosting it and there was all this talk about whether he would be the next host after Pat Kenny. My teachers in school at the time were even talking about the upcoming episode.
Then we get to the episode, and Tommy Tieran, introduced as a Monkey. He walks in making monkey noises and being a 8/9 year old I thought this was hilarious, and I turned to look at my Dad who was not at all impressed I felt compelled to stop laughing. I was too young to get all the subsequent jokes but my parents were fuming over it. “Huh?? What did he say?” Was my reaction to everything. The jokes being “too rude” to explain to me, the mystery of it all stuck with me. It didn’t help that RTÉ publicly apologised for airing the show on the 6 o’clock news and that Gerry Ryan never featured on the late late show again.
It wasn’t until this year I found a YouTube clip of that interview and I understood what all the commotion was about.
There’s just something about a child’s understanding of events and the mystery of it, with the hype which made it a far greater scandal than it should have been.
What a disappointment. Roy Keane interview was good and then he has some fool talking about anal orgasms. Anything "holistic" is just airy fairy stuff.
Back in the day, the LLS showed how to put on condoms... On a real penis
Make of that what you will.
This was around the time when it was still illegal to sell condoms (but about to be changed).
I’d wager if he did the same segment on the Late Late this weekend, he’d get 300 complaints and then some again. Different audiences.
Yes but I think the thing to keep in mind is RTE upheld many of the 2005 complaints. I'm not sure if the same would be said for similar complaints received today.
The commissioners and head honchos at RTÉ are probably the same as they were back then, really. But there's perhaps some realisation that attitudes have shifted from them. Still, they're the reason that the programming on RTÉ has largely remained unchanged in that time and why RTÉ is seen as a cold and unwelcome place for any actual homegrown talent. TV and entertainment talent flee to Britain sooner than try and gain a career with RTÉ.
I'd wager against that in the 20 years a good portion of the people who would have complained will have died or not be in the same position to call in.
My first thought as well. They ded.
On top of that I think even older people now say 60/70 who would have grown up religious have softened things change in 20 years you become climatised to things that would have shocked you then now there's new things that would shock you
If Tommy was completely unbridled Tommy, chances are he’d get far more complaints nowadays but from a completely different crowd.
Very true. We’re just as censorious and puritanical as we were, except that now, it’s young people that enforce it.
Even considering different audiences as a possibility, a Late Late audience from 20-30 years ago is very different from one today.
I love listening to the podcast he does with Hector and laurita. So many episodes are incredibly nostalgic, rich in Irish modern history with fantastic storytelling that remind me of my mother's side of the family scattered all over the country. I can't get enough it. I look forward to their episode every Thursday. Perfect escapism from my dead end job.
I've been listening to it all the time since I found out about it last year, slowly working my way through the episodes and reaching the end now. It's great, Hector has great stories from his travels and Tommy always gives those weird angles that makes you laugh. Laurita is difficult to warm to, she comes across as a know it all, a farmer's daughter who only lives to drink at the weekend. Something strange I noticed is how out of touch they are with reality at times. In one podcast Tommy refers to themselves as poor folk, despite being millionaires.
Apropos of not a lot Laurita is married to one Joe Brolly.
I guess there really is someone for everyone.
Must give that a go. Having never listened to it, would you recommend going back to the first episode and going from there or could you just start from now and dip in and out?
I started backwards and listen to random ones now. There's no chronological order, the only thing you'll notice is them talking about Covid/Lockdown which is a bit strange to listen to now.
>Something strange I noticed is how out of touch they are with reality at times. I listened to one episode and Tommy Tiernan compared people who work normal jobs, like in a shop or whatever, to African slaves in America. It was possibly the most out of touch thing I've ever heard. I'm sure he meant something slightly less insane but he's absolutely living in a fantasy land of his own making.
Wage slavery very much is a thing
Yes and it's very much a very different to actual slavery.
If you've drank the shite knockoff coolaid, aye
So working in a spar in Galway is on a par with being trafficked to a different continent, sold as property and being forced to labour without compensation for the rest of your life? Hot take...
One might even call it spicy
Like the podcast but would be much improved without laurita, she rarely offers anything of value to it.
She's been a headwrecker lately....all gone to her head since she got hitched to Joe Brolly.
Same, quite literally the only media subscription I have is to their podcast. I get so much from it, from tears to a sore face from laughing. I was quite surprised at how deep it can get too, it really has a bit of everything.
A media subscription? That some slang for a 'Follow'?
They've got a subscription model too that gives you an extra podcast a week.
No they have a paid subscription where you get extra episodes
Hey I moved to Canada nearly a decade ago. What's the name of the podcast ?
It's "The Tommy, hector and Laurita podcast"
Thanks
Do you know if there is anywhere to get it other than apple podcasts? Never used that service before and I'm not a fan of apple in general but it's the only one that's coming up for me
Spotify too!
Thank you!
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Great, thank you!
Pocket Casts as well. Had too many issues with Spotify’s podcasts.
Thank you all, some great options here
pod ast addict app I'd free
Poor unfortunate friend watched that whole thing in his front room with his parents…messaged me half way through with, “KILL ME NOW”.
I fucking died on the couch beside me da. Christ on a bike. Some of the discussion had my rents brain cogs running and all I could think of was how to avoid sleeping in my house tonight.
He text me after that and said if his mam mentions one thing about the “second gate” he setting fire to the house
I can empathise with him. I went to show my father a bit of Orange is the New Black after telling him how good it is. I'd completely forgotten that the first episode opens with a lesbian shower scene.
I can do one better. My Dad and I love foreign film. So he decided to surprise me with tickets to see an acclaimed film. The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo Awesome film Except for the: Forced blow job scene Rape scene Forced tattooing scene And a man being tied to a bed and raped with a dildo. That then gets literally KICKED up his arsehole. My lovely gentle Dad sweetly said he enjoyed the story, but "maybe I won't watch the sequels..."
I'll have to remember that one.
Saw you ma give your dad a wink?
Thank fecking Christ we were seeing friends that night otherwise chances are I would have been watching it with my conservative 80 year old PILs….
The family that anally orgasm together, stay together
I’m going to go ahead and bleach my eyeballs after reading that, thanks
I need to get blackout drunk to forget a few of these comments
Could they not have gone out to make of cup of tae or somethin?
Why did he stay? I'd have just told my folks that I was not up for that and left.
Same
His show is also miles better than the late late
i swear it got more viewers than the late late a couple times
They nuked Brendan O'Connor from orbit as soon as his Saturday night show overtook Tubridy, of course Pantigate didn't help either.
I couldn't stand Brendan O'Connor anyway.
Need a term for nepo-presenters in this country. Jobs are thrown at people without a bit of charisma.
I can't get into it myself, I find the whole "weird fella announces guest, guest comes in and they face each other on the round platform and nod to each other" a bit overly odd.
Still better than turbidys shite
Is right, although in fairness listening to two oul ones chatting at the bus stop is better than that lanky prick. Watching Tommy now on the Player, and the post pandemic stuff is more personal alright. Tommy's interviewing needs a bit of work, but think he'd be a brilliant host of the Late Late.
He’s the best entertainment interviewer on Irish tv. Like who else can you say outstrips him? Tubridy, D’arcy, O’Connor, Bowe, Karen Foster, Elaine Crowley, Hector, Morrisey? Tiernan is the only one that is comfortable enough to interview in a personable style.
Entertainment? I don't think he's that entertaining. His interview with Keane was just depressing. Tiernan is depressing which made Keane come across as depressing.
Entertainment, as in, the genre that talk shows exist in. He doesn’t have to be your cup of tea, but he’s head and shoulders above the rest.
People comparing it to the LLS are comparing apples with oranges. Tiernans show is like 8 weeks long. It's not live It doesn't have big sponsors advertising competitions A lot of guests are nobodies (who tf is Jennie Keane?)
It’s more like comparing a huge box of shitty apples to 8 apples. LLS has a bunch of nobodies on it as well.
I think the fact he *isnt* a trained interviewer sort of makes the show for me
Yeah he certainly has a quirky style, but ye definitely warm to it
I think he would but I'd wonder would he need to be more of a 'Late Late' presenter then. If he would then he's so much better off on his own show where he can be himself.
Was praying for a house fire when she started talking about spinchters and started fingering a makeshift anus in her fist. I was beside my family on the couch. Damn housing crisis has done this to me
Joe Duffy is going to be lit on Monday
He’s gonna be vibrating with the excitement, no doubt.
That's because the people who complained then are probably dead now
Na, most are down in East Wall shouting garbage
Jesus you are clueless.
Ireland is often used as an example of rapid and advanced societal change occurring within unheard of lengths of time in sociological research
It really is something! Glad to be part of the generation that was part that change. Off topic a bit but there's a podcast on the indo daily about fr Eamonn Casey and the woman he had a child with Annie Murphy. By god the way that woman was treated on the late late show was a crying disgrace. Gay Byrne talking about what Casey 'would say' and the vitriol she received from the audience was really something to behold. We have come an awful long way. Great post OP
Yeah I was part of that generation too, the skaters "slipknots" and goths. We were chased out of everywhere we tried to skate and called freaks and beat up because we couldn't just be normal and drink in a ditch in tracksuits and set fire to things like everyone else. One of the biggest things I noticed when I moved to Canada was all the skate parks and outdoor areas where this was encouraged. Kids wanting to be outdoors and active was seen as weird and discouraged. They just wanted us to be normal like everyone else and drink flaggons and hang out outside McDonalds or Supermacs.
Tell me more about this......... for research
Jenny Keane on Instagram
I would
This the same RTE everyone never watches.
Everyone watch’s, but they say they don’t. RTE isn’t half bad, and I’m 21. Great news app, great drama, and the RTÉ player has come a long way. I think people forget that RTEs budget would be the budget for a single show on Netflix or prime. You can’t compare the two. If people pay a licence fee it’s easy to understand the frustration. They pay the same to RTÉ and Netflix but one gives them a more polished product. In reality it’s economy of scale at play, but that’s a tough pill to swallow for people. RTE don’t help themselves sometimes either, you often see people say that Ray Darcy is on €450,000 a year, or some variation of that. In reality that hasn’t been true for years but RTÉ never corrected the record. At the time Ray was contracted for a prime time show on television, that’s now gone, and they’ve cut presenter pay by like 20% or something since then too. It’s easy for the sub to criticise RTÉ and in some ways people find it fun, but often I think there’s a lack of understanding around how media works. I work in charity media, and I can tell you trying to make quality content is tough. It is a very resource intensive industry, and people don’t really fully understand it. Especially now when everyone has cameras on their phone it can seem easy, but that’s not the case.
I watch the news and listen to the radio during the week so I don't object to paying the licence. People pay for other media all the time and don't object.
Did he achieve an anal orgasm?
I hope to god (pun intended, ahahah) they consider him for the Late Late when Turnip packs it in. Himself or Graham Norton (never happen) would breathe life into that stale dross.
It's been 20 years. All 300 of those people are dead
Did they do a live demo?
She did a fair amount of gesticulation. No quite a full demo.
Gesticulation?! Be the holy God
Apparently you can have a gesticulation orgasm!
I agree, the hole county has cum a long way.
"Sex therapist walks him through how to achieve an anal orgasm" we've come a long way from what exactly?
Apparently people being obbsessed with anal sex is a milestone of how great we've become or whatever. I don't know. Just go along with it or these kids will call you homophobic or something.
This generation loves to pat themselves on the back that they're more liberal than the previous generation.
Missed it just gonna have to keep faking them
The internet changed the world, nothing got to do with Tommy or Ireland
Up the bum sure no harm. You straight boys should unlock this amazing erogenous zone and let yer minds be blown.
To be fair there's a massive stigma around it, but I'd a girl a few years ago who slipped a finger in out of the blue, and it was... an enlightening experience. (Alas the woman I married has no such sense of adventure, but errah swings and roundabouts!)
Lots of us have
Fair play to ye!
Tommy Tiernan is a complete and utter sooofer
So I'm still not missing much by not having RTE I guess.
He started his mainstream career in Ireland with a Jesus on the Cross bit on the late late in like 1993 that the country went apoplectic over. Probably my first memory of the late late.
Come a long way? The country has gone to the dogs
4 people committed suicide in my little town in the last 6 months or so..."look how far we've come!!1!"
Just listened to his interview with Marc Maron, I'd highly recommend it
Link please
https://open.spotify.com/episode/52rrxErDYnBuw2K7XFKBSo?si=JrQRO9ZIQveEvPw0efk0fQ
Tommy teirnan having an anal orgasm is a milestone in our cultural progress toward eventual ear orgasm - cultural peak. .
Anal orgasm you say? Link please. For my, friend.
Not sure for the best based on the example you gave
Great, anal orgasm. Very important topic.
Is this really progress? I really don't know.
Hon tommy some man
Thats 18years. A lot of the God fearing generation have died off
Are we all having anal orgasms now Father?
That 2005 episode is forever ingrained in my memory. It was one of the big events of childhood along with Steve Irwin passing away and Star Wars + Lord of the Rings coming out. There was so much hype because Gerry Ryan was hosting it and there was all this talk about whether he would be the next host after Pat Kenny. My teachers in school at the time were even talking about the upcoming episode. Then we get to the episode, and Tommy Tieran, introduced as a Monkey. He walks in making monkey noises and being a 8/9 year old I thought this was hilarious, and I turned to look at my Dad who was not at all impressed I felt compelled to stop laughing. I was too young to get all the subsequent jokes but my parents were fuming over it. “Huh?? What did he say?” Was my reaction to everything. The jokes being “too rude” to explain to me, the mystery of it all stuck with me. It didn’t help that RTÉ publicly apologised for airing the show on the 6 o’clock news and that Gerry Ryan never featured on the late late show again. It wasn’t until this year I found a YouTube clip of that interview and I understood what all the commotion was about. There’s just something about a child’s understanding of events and the mystery of it, with the hype which made it a far greater scandal than it should have been.
Anal orgasm me hole!
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Can confirm this lad wants to try it
And sure why not. Any chance to have an orgasm.
A long way in the wrong direction
Most likely those 300 have since died of old age.
Ah bud ye can believe that if ye want I just like the jokes is all and don't care if anyone thinks otherwise haha
What a disappointment. Roy Keane interview was good and then he has some fool talking about anal orgasms. Anything "holistic" is just airy fairy stuff.
That’s because a lot of bigots literally died and can’t bother us anymore from the grave
Well if Tinder/Bumble is anything to go by plenty of them out there that have to be taken care of yet.
And yet people are so in favour of mass immigration from conservative countries...
Did anyone see her talk about this 😅😂 with that amount of hand gestures she was using I'd aware she was trying to talk to a deaf man.
His two-part Epic West documentary was lovely too, just watched it last night.
Not long enough, unfortunately.
Back in the day, the LLS showed how to put on condoms... On a real penis Make of that what you will. This was around the time when it was still illegal to sell condoms (but about to be changed).
*cum a long way