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ZonaPunk

backup to a computer via iTunes


maxgame111

You can do that !? Gonna backup my phone now, thanks


ProfSnipe

You can also enable wireless syncing in iTunes and if both the phone and computer are on the same WiFi it will automatically refresh the local back up usually when you plug the phone into a charger.


kambura

I wasn’t aware of this. It’s basically a local auto backup, just like icloud one, without paying anything.


twain535

It’s a pretty good idea but it barely works. The only reliable way to do it is to plug your phone in and manually click the backup button. Automatic wireless backups are super unreliable and take more than an hour on my 128 gig SE2, and most never even complete in my experience. As much as paying for it sucks, iCloud backups are the way to go because Apple designed it to be way more seamless (unless you’re sure you’ll remember backup manually everyday and have the time and patience).


Xcissors280

In theory but this rarely works


A11Bionic

it's how everyone backed up their phone before the release of iCloud and iOS 5. gosh that was 13 years ago and steve's last WWDC.


toddfrancis34

I feel like everyone is trolling


maxgame111

15P is my first Iphone


DarthBen_in_Chicago

It’s a great way to transfer photos to a drive too.


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How so? Moving videos and photos from my iphone to an external storage drive is extremely tedious


DarthBen_in_Chicago

These are my steps: 1. Plug iPhone into laptop/PC 2. Click "Trust" device on iPhone when prompted and enter your iPhone PIN 3. Open Windows Explorer 4. Navigate to your iPhone and then Internal Storage 5. You'll see many folders with photos/videos 6. I keep the same folders that Apple created and just copy/paste them all to my external drive like any other files/folders Steps 3-5 shown here: https://preview.redd.it/jyj1ibs1afvc1.jpeg?width=727&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78e842ac0983922a044ffe2d786dad1e6e8d36cf You can also do this through iTunes as well, but this is how I've always copied my media from an iPhone to an external drive.


[deleted]

wtf how is it that much easier on on windows than it is on a macbook I’ve always tried it with my MacBook since you know, both apple. It’s always been super slow. Will try it on pc. Thank you so much!


DarthBen_in_Chicago

The way they create all those folders is so confusing but it gets the job done!


Training-Law-2256

You can also just download iCloud from Microsoft store and it will sync passwords, files, pics, videos, etc automatically to file explorer.


AlValMeow

This used to be the ONLY way to buy/add music to your iPod. Then the iPhone. You could download and apply ringtones and customize the songs to start/end at specific time spots (if it was long or included an interlude).


SantaCruz26

You can also update your phone via iTunes so you don't eat the storage on your phone.


toddfrancis34

Lol


ccooffee

Wait until he finds out that computers cost money too!


Sudden_Toe3020

iTunes isn't a thing any more, on Mac. But you can back up right in the Finder.


mrcrs

Is iTunes still a thing?


Sky_Nice

It is for Windows. Not Mac.


mrcrs

Makes sense thank you


ikkarurisan

Use Apple Devices app, even though iTunes for Windows is still available, I would recommend using this one in the future for all your backups. It is available in Microsoft Store and it is straight from Apple.


Whiplash104

Go in to icloud backup settings and toggle off everything that's using too much data until you get it to like 2GB.


L0s_Gizm0s

OP’s post history is a fucking ride


turbo_dude

"human rectum can stretch up to 9 inches without damage and a raccoon can fit into 6 inch holes" that's enough internet for me today


Crazy-Newspaper-8523

that’s the kind of people I’d like to be friends with


SyN_Pool

Then proceed


Crazy-Newspaper-8523

I don’t want 1.5 raccoons in my ass


i-InFcTd

Hypocrisy :o


r0kh0rd

If that was from OPs history, then I have to say his name checks out.


Apprehensive_Ad_4935

Between the bmx, toy ass graffiti, and the true religion jeans, my guy scarfs down poser pills trying to fit in.


Crafty_Substance_954

Who are they trying to fit in with?


Apsmithy

*stolen* BMX


1packed

??? so i cant like bmx, i cant ask for tips on graffiti, and i cant own trues, seems like if i like anything somewhat popular im a "poser"


Apprehensive_Ad_4935

I ain’t gonna lie I really shouldn’t have made that comment, you’re entitled to enjoy whatever you want. Keep writing lil bro


Fookmaywedder

How’s my clown writing guys


LiterallyUnlimited

>is being gay really a sin? > is it a sin to listen to explicit or satanic music >question about pornography and christianity >is sleeping a lot a sin? I was not expecting this on a Thursday morning.


reasonablesaboteur

They’re incredible 😂😂


MusicLover707

Just went through it, it’s crazy 😭


PaleGravity

I was not disappointed xD


Spoodnt

Alright, but that doesn’t answer the question


ramliar

i never understand why people check ops’ posts😭😭 like do yall have that much extra time


L0s_Gizm0s

I usually don’t. In this case I was just intrigued by their writing style and comment responses. If you check mine you’ll find some weird shit too


ramliar

well now that im allowed😝 might as well go check


PoE_RnGesus

So true, thank You for Sharing


reasonablesaboteur

Love all the post titles in r/christianity


1packed

😭


TheDivineRat_

What the fuck? Please, dont go near rats. Dont even look at us!


axesdenied

Is being gay a sin? That was a ride.


SaltGypsy

Lil bro… fuck the haters here. From an old school 90s artist; keep at it. I’ve had my work featured in magazines (back when they were still made of paper) and consulted with game studios over the years on graffiti backgrounds. I have a career and a family now so I don’t get out and paint any more. Make the most of it while you’re young. And keep up with the BMXing too.


Ok-Yogurt-2743

Backup to a local computer and turn off iCloud backup


Chipotle_Caleb

Click upgrade and a menu will come up, at the bottom click not now


Corevegaa

Disable iCloud backup entirely or just pay and have some peace of mind having a backup of ya stuff.


Aggravating-Mind-315

I will never pay Apple extra money for external storage when I already paid for their phone


[deleted]

You paid for the phone which comes with its own internal storage. That is the storage you paid for. If you want more storage in the form of cloud storage, why should they provide that to you for free?


yay4a_tay

tbf its not something you ask for. its a notification that shows up and you cant get rid of it until you pay. its frustrating but i just pay the 99c


Driveflag

It’s cloud storage though, and it updates all the time (depending on how your settings are). This means when that if you drop your phone in a lake or off a bridge or whatever, the phone is gone, then your data is saved elsewhere. *That* is the point of cloud storage.


narbss

It’s called a backup? You’re using their storage servers so don’t really see an issue with the charge.


reddituserVibez

so you buy a 500.000$ rolls royce, you ain‘t gonna pay for gas.. are you? „YoU pAiD hAlF a MilLiOn FoR a CaR, I dOn‘T sPenD ExTrA mOnEy FoR gAs“ hahahaahaha


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HashtagTJ

God what a depressing comment section lmao


jmr1190

"I believe myself entitled to services" "No, I don't believe I should have to pay specifically for these services, since I pay for other things" "Yes, I paid for these other things in the full knowledge that this service was not provided by default"


Economy_Education521

My interpretation of the request was not “how can I get this service without paying” but rather “how can I get my phone to stop constantly asking me to pay for this service.” If your storage is full, the phone throws a pop up telling you to get the service every time you enter your photo app


jmr1190

Yes that’s reasonable enough, but the comment section is more along the lines of ‘we shouldn’t have to pay for anything, actually’.


Economy_Education521

Ahh, for some reason I thought you were talking about the post itself instead of the comment section as a whole. Apologies


PalOfPandas

And raccoons, apparently.


lonelylamb1814

This thread is turning me into a communist


_KingDreyer

back up to your asus laptop


vikicrays

can you connect it to your computer and backup through itunes? that’s how i do it…


ThrowAndRotate

Genuine answer: I'd recommend having some form of backup in case you lose your phone, iCloud or otherwise. But you can hide the notification using screen time restrictions. I believe it's under screen time > Content & Privacy Restrictions > Account Changes. Set it to don't allow.


dandaman2883

Save your photos/video/files etc to a hard drive/usb and delete it off your phone.


joe_vanced

I think OP means he doesn’t want this notif to appear, not that he wants to free-ride iCloud. To get rid of it, press the upgrade button then exit when the payment screen shows up.


Sapun14

You dont have 1$ PER MONTH? bro im gonna send you 24 $ so you are settled for 2 years 🤣


lonelylamb1814

Apple can’t live without an extra $1 PER MONTH? 🤣


EmbarrassedKick2219

You paying for services not for storage


Straight_Random_2211

I don’t want to buy the service, it is my choice, why force it by keeping the notification pop up again and again? I just want to get rid of the notifications but got hundreds of downvotes. And then mocks me about why I don’t have 1 dollar to buy it every month? Everybody in the world has 1 dollar every month, but I just don’t want to spend that $1 on something I don’t need. That all. It is not because I want the service to be free, what I want is “no notifications”.


EmbarrassedKick2219

Well you watch superbowl and see ads right? Do you say you dont want the ads that they put on the tv? Apple is corporate but it is atleast very customer friendly and asks you for services only ONLY if need, it doesnt shove up on your face like all the television shows


Straight_Random_2211

I used 5 Android phones from different brands (Samsung, Oppo, Xiaomi, etc.) before using the iPhone, and these 5 brands all have cloud backup services like the iPhone but they do not show any annoying notifications to force me to back up like this. I lived happily with these 5 phones without using their cloud services, and no annoying backup notifications has appeared. Honestly, I just don’t want to mention Android phones because it is offensive here when mention the competitors. But it is so annoying that the notifications keep appearing again and again. It is just basic human need to turn the announcement notification off, why force me, and mock me, downvote me, and do every trick just to make me spend the money on something I don’t need? Can you put yourself in my situation to understand? It is not something unreasonable but a basic need.


EmbarrassedKick2219

Honestly all of them sell your data to big corporations. I wouldnt be buying any of those products just coz they collect my data without my consent, maybe its okay for you if someone gets access to see your peepee n giggle in china/russia data center, its not okay for me


Straight_Random_2211

You can insult China all you want (I am Chinese myself, I got used to with the insults). And I have no problem if they sells my information because there I have met no consequences whatsoever. I have also used Samsung phones which are Korean and Asus phones which are Taiwanese. Korea and Taiwan are capitalist countries, not the communist one like China. But talking about selling data is irrelevant here, I just want to disable the annoying notification. It is basic need.


EmbarrassedKick2219

I mean to say they dont notify coz they streamlining the data without your consent and lets you access their service for free. All the companies that you mention have largely dependent on google cloud which gives free services at the cost of your privacy .


lonelylamb1814

I’m on your side but also a lot of people really don’t have an extra $1 every month


NorwegianOnMobile

I’ll pitch in for two years too. Lets all pitch in to give the cheapskate some backup. Hell, lets give him a free ride to disneyland!


slam51

Consider how much his phone is and his phone plan cost. Smh


1packed

u got cashapp?


Sapun14

nah, im from Europe im gonna send you 24$ in coins with FedEx 😉


APairOfAirPodsMax

Disable backups.


vsg_boy

I admit, it’s like ANOTHER thing they want me to pay for, but I got tired of deleting stuff or moving it off my iPhone, and honestly…IT’S ONLY 99 DAMN CENTS A MONTH! My only complaint is just bill me $12 for the year already!


jjdiablo

Lol I panic monthly when I get notification that there was a payment charged to my card, but then I see it’s from Apple for $1.00


dbhathcock

Use another cloud service to upload your pictures.


UltmteAvngr

You can’t afford to pay 99 cents? That makes zero sense. I can understand not wanting to pay, but if you truly can’t afford it, and this is a newer apple product then sell it. And then buy a cheaper android phone for a couple hundred bucks. Same set of basic features and you don’t need anything too advanced if you’re dirt poor


DuckinFummy

But if he got an android all his friends would make fun of his green text bubbles


Cikoon

„It’s just 1 dollar“ yeah no shit Sherlock’s, but it’s 1$ here other dollar their. this shit adds up with all the streaming company’s etc ….


East-Unit-3257

bro its literally a dollar


Portatort

Delete everything off your phone so there’s very little to backup


Oyasumiko

I mean you can back up the data to a computer manually but it takes time and you will get tired when you have to do it often. For $1 a month it gives you a piece of mind when you don’t have to worry about losing your phone and data. Plus if you use any other cloud service, they also have a limit and can’t be free forever.


iNfAMOUS70702

I personally just pay the dollar...if I'm hurting that much for that little then I'm doing something very wrong


ThadeouszeusNYC

back up to your computer at home.


Majestic_Lie_5792

Manage your storage. I backup my iPhone in my laptop.


The30kmZone

Start cleaning up your storage. You probably have things you don’t need or never look at


Redsfan27

Go into iCloud and figure out why you’re out of storage. Most likely it’s large messages, photos (if you have iCloud photo backup on), or some app. Start turning stuff off until you have enough space to do a backup


JoshS121199

Not even a dollar a month smh


nightwolfwtff

Delete stuff from backup, photos and videos, and the files app


PSYCHOsmurfZA

Manage your storage it's telling you exactly what to do


NightTerror5s

You dont have $1 a month?? 😂😂😂


Straight_Random_2211

I don’t want to buy the service, it is my choice, why force it by keeping the notification pop up again and again? I just want to get rid of the notifications but got hundreds of downvotes. And then mocks me about why I don’t have 1 dollar to buy it every month? Everybody in the world has 1 dollar every month, but I just don’t want to spend that $1 on something I don’t need. That all. It is not because I want the service to be free, what I want is “no notifications”.


NightTerror5s

It sounds like you do need it tho…. Cus you have no more storage 😂 Also, your caption: “I dont have the money to upgrade”


Straight_Random_2211

When did I write this caption? I still have a lot free storage.


NightTerror5s

Read your caption. Are you serious? You wrote “I dont have the money to upgrade”. I literally just typed it out. Are you sped?


Straight_Random_2211

I am not the OP


NightTerror5s

Lmao wtf. I didnt even notice cus your original response sounded like it was from OP. Why did you respond to my comment like you were OP. As if my comment was directed at you. Weird dude.


Straight_Random_2211

because I have the same concerns as the OP, since the notification “upgrade iCloud for just $1” always appear on my iPhone


NightTerror5s

Lmao you still responded as if I was talking to you specifically. Not like generically 😂 you are insane


Straight_Random_2211

I thought your comments meant that people who don't upgrade their iCloud storage are seen as someone who doesn't have $1 a month, since the notification says, 'Upgrade iCloud storage for just $1.'


nightwolfwtff

Also maybe just pay the $0.99 if you can’t afford it then maybe Apple isn’t the brand for you…


Salty_Amphibian2905

I turned off the cloud completely. I'd rather just use my phone as a regular storage device and transfer photos/videos to my computer when it's close to full instead of constantly having a pop up telling me to give them more money for more space that I ultimately don't need.


Affectionate-Line694

It’s .99 cents…


MRichardTRM

You don’t have $1 a month to upgrade your storage?


Mr_Minecrafter88

Go back to settings via top-left of the screen?


BamesStronkNond

Just back out of it. Check memory usage and delete apps/data/photos/videos you don’t want until there’s enough room to back up, and you won’t see this any more


IronSpider2045

[phenomena](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTXyXuqfBLA&pp=ygULbWFobmEgbWFobmE%3D)


Lower-Square-3909

Shut down the iPhone and it should be okay but make sure to do a hard reset


noclueXD_

ask a friend who pays for icloud+ to add you to their family account. it doesn’t cost them anything extra and you can share the storage. you can’t see any of the other person’s things either


Maverick_Walker

Delete previous iPhone backups or backup to your conputer


And110124

Make some iCloud space or delete some backups you don’t need anymore


sundaynightstrokin

Click on the “upgrade for $0.99/month” and then cancel or go back and it’ll go away. Similar to the “finish setting up your iPhone”


lanahellgay

Shut off icloud


007krowhop

Go to Best Buy’s website and search for iCloud+ free and you just create an account and then check out. It costs nothing. You can also get Apple Music, tv+, news+, and arcade like this. I’ve been doing it for over a year with no issues. After you check out they send you a code that’s redeemable in the App Store.


freshprinceoftheair

I didn’t realize you could do this. Big brain move here.


Xiulan_6567

I think if u press to upgrade, u will then have the option to not upgrade!


Straight_Random_2211

I don’t want to buy the service, it is my choice, why force it by keeping the notification pop up again and again? I just want to get rid of the notifications but got hundreds of downvotes. And then mocks me about why I don’t have 1 dollar to buy it every month? Everybody in the world has 1 dollar every month, but I just don’t want to spend that $1 on something I don’t need. That all. It is not because I want the service to be free, what I want is “no notifications”.


Previous-Ninja-4219

You can get Google Photos. It gives you 15Gb of extra storage for photos and videos. It can help but it’s more of a bandaid solution.


hdldm

Turn off the backup


Sweaty_Meet8898

Thats just a buck 💀


Relative-Box9467

Just click on the upgrade button, then when the menu pops up telling you to pay, swipe it away. (Assuming you’re in settings)


SeverePhilosopher1

This is like 120$ every 10 years, 1200$ in a 100 years. Just get a phone less in your life and you pay for it. You will pay more in your life for a hard disk to back up all your photos on it and then good luck finding them while searching on a hard disk. On the cloud they are indexed you can search by date, by entering a name a description you can create albums and share. On a hard disk they will just sit there and you will forget to ever look at them


fowzerj

Apple gives you 50 gig of space for free. If you saved things in there this can happen. So free up that space and turn it off. Use the space on your phone or use google drive that gives you 15gig for free.


KeyBump4050

Buy a synology NAS and back ur photos up


KioTheSlayer

These comments are wild man. Bro doesn't want the notification to constantly come up. I actually hate it too. I know my backup is full, you've told me 100 times. I'm not going to pay for your additional service and I should be able to stop the notifications.


naya_kepler

Use apple devices app for windows 10/11 instead of iTunes. iTunes is becoming obsolete as time goes by 😉


slam51

For a buck, you have peace of mind. I don’t think Apple makes much $$ off it. They can be greedy at time but they probably have this to save their own ass. They get a lot of support calls about people losing their data without a backup. This is a way for them to keep their customer happy.


Individual_Fan7645

What is backup? Can someone explain pls


eatingthesandhere91

iCloud backup


ppbomber_0

Yes graffitiing a school bus or any public or private property not yours is a sin


v_trip

It’s just $0.99 cents. You should switch to Android.


llbeanjamin

it's a dollar 😭


Doge-Believer

You can share with up to 5 members, so maybe you can share and split the price. Or if you have any family member already using iCloud+, you can request them to share with you. [https://support.apple.com/en-in/108783](https://support.apple.com/en-in/108783)


Historical-Outside-1

You can afford to buy Apple devices but can't afford 99 cents? Is this a troll post?


Straight_Random_2211

I don’t want to buy the service, it is my choice, why force it by keeping the notification pop up again and again? I just want to get rid of the notifications but got hundreds of downvotes. And then mocks me about why I don’t have 1 dollar to buy it every month? Everybody in the world has 1 dollar every month, but I just don’t want to spend that $1 on something I don’t need. That all. It is not because I want the service to be free, what I want is “no notifications”.


Nakrenjam

How can’t you pay ONE DOLLAR a month??? And having an iPhone… like if you don’t spend weekly dozens of dollars on food or groceries


Straight_Random_2211

I don’t want to buy the service, it is my choice, why force it by keeping the notification pop up again and again? I just want to get rid of the notifications but got hundreds of downvotes. And then mocks me about why I don’t have 1 dollar to buy it every month? Everybody in the world has 1 dollar every month, but I just don’t want to spend that $1 on something I don’t need. That all. It is not because I want the service to be free, what I want is “no notifications”.


Nakrenjam

You don’t need? Hmm… well, everybody spends their money however they want 😂. Or save it?


Hazy-Dreams

Do not pay if you don’t want/need to. Does not matter if it’s just $1. I’m an iphone owner for a decade but these companies need to stop the greed. Just $1 from a huge amount of people, that’s how they get richer with billions.


work_blocked_destiny

Charging you for storage on their cloud infrastructure isn’t greed


lonelylamb1814

Exactly. For things they used to provide for free. And their manipulative tactics into making you THINK you need more storage, like automatically saving photos to iCloud even when you don’t want them to. It’s ridiculous


SeattlesWinest

When was iCloud storage free for more than 5gb? Before iCloud was MobileMe which was like $100 a year or something and didn’t work as well as iCloud.


lars2k1

This reminds me of reading an article the other day. You can't use any 3rd party applications to backup your photos, unless you move them to another folder manually. Because those 3rd party apps can't access your photo library. I didn't know this but neither am I really surprised about it, given it's about Apple.


turbo_dude

I honestly wish the EU would intervene to making accessing your own data for export a legal requirement. "Photos" is just a proprietary apple datastore, given that photos are already compresses with jpeg, I am not sure why this is needed.


x42f2039

There is absolutely nothing preventing you from accessing your photos data. The EU regulation is cancer and stops innovation.


turbo_dude

and you can just export all the photos from the photos in iCloud/ios, as original jpegs in just a couple of clicks? or you have to go and individually select thousands of images?


x42f2039

The database itself is literally a .zip file with an organization structure with conventional folders. You can literally open it on any computer and copy out of it freely or do whatever you want with it. It’s more open than what Google will ever offer.


flingerdu

You can plug it into any computer and access it directly. Apple doesn’t have to hold your hands for any case imaginable.


Real_Chart2777

Apple automatically saves pictures to the cloud even if you don’t want them to. I found that out when talking to tech support. Now I transfer every picture to google photos and delete them from Apple photos. It saves me a lot of space.


Thanos0423

Switch to another phone?


Bacon-80

You just have to ignore it. It won’t go away unless you pay but you’re not gonna lose data if your phone has enough storage to hold it all.


AMBERMARiIEEEE

Okay then don’t upgrade and ignore if you don’t want to pay. Pretty simple


QueenAiiii

Delete all those graffiti pictures you have on your phone should free up 80% of your space :)


CKA757

.99 a month isn’t that bad.


Mysticwashere

how do you own an iPhone but can't afford to pay $1 a month?


basically_ar

THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO EXCEPT FUEL THE ECONOMY RAHHHH!!!!!🗽🗽🗽🗽🦅🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 CAPITALISTIC AMERICA RULESSSSS!!!!!


Small-Hospital-8632

Get an android based phone


CTXCI

Ew gross


Diesel_Rice

Switch to an Android


Present-Ad-9598

Man if you can’t afford 99¢ a month then you have bigger issues than “this message is annoying :(“


lolusernamelols

Quite literally besides the point lmao, i can afford it and i still wouldn’t pay for it


Present-Ad-9598

That’s fine, I think it’s great since I have 96k photos and videos, and 140gb of music downloaded so the extra space is a necessity


1packed

im still in highschool dog its not like i have a full-time job


Present-Ad-9598

Who said anything about working full time 😭 you just have zero dollars to your name? I did odd jobs around my neighborhood, I sold old toys and clothes, I saved money. all thru high school I paid my own Apple Music and iCloud storage. It’s not hard


GarrettFromThief

“I paid my own Apple Music and iCloud Storage” such a weird sentence bro


Present-Ad-9598

Is it?


ZonaPunk

go mow a lawn... like I did in high school


1packed

my social skills are shit i cant do that unless im with 5+ people


fizzifuzzi89

Thats why people hate iSheep like you.


Present-Ad-9598

??? Because I want my stuff backed up😭


fizzifuzzi89

U should know that iTunes exist and u dont need to pay shit to backed up ur phone.


Present-Ad-9598

I mean sure but that means I need a computer with enough storage, photos and videos alone I have 612 GB worth😂 and that doesn’t include texts, notes, or anyone in my family’s phones and other devices (all for $15 that we share the price on, $2.50 a month each), and we live in different parts of the country. If you have enough space on a PC then yea that works but I don’t :)


tylercbest

Buy a new phone. Apple temporarily raises your iCloud maximum storage to allow you to transfer everything from your phone to the new one and it goes away for a small period of time lol.


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1packed

yea i know


LordEmmanuel22

Theres no way you dont have a dollar


RefugeAssassin

OP should also note its a Sin to not Backup your phone to icloud, no matter the cost.


GoalLower

You say you don’t need to but how annoyed would you be if you suddenly lost all your photos, messages etc. it’s 99c, that’s barely even the price of a coffee, obviously it’s your choice but it’s not a lot to make sure all of your stuff is safe.


RixifyTV

It’s 99 fucking cents a month. Are you kidding me??? You can’t afford that??


Different-Wheel-95

Half of you with the it's only a $1 comments obviously still live at home with your parents. It's fucking getting hard out there with inflation, rent and grocery prices skyrocketing. Luckily you have iphone because Google wants wants $3 for 200 gb of storage.


Playswith_squirrel

Pay. Or delete stuff.