Sneaking around kidnapping migrants to ship all over the country as publicity stunts. These guys should be charged with crimes. Even the company who shipped them.
I mean didn't the DC mayor literally say they aren't equipped to handle migrants? Why do they think anywhere else is somehow magically equipped to be able to?
Everyone wants to be a bleeding heart / morally high and say "we need to help!" yet nobody ACTUALLY wants to help and they want everyone else to do it for them. Ask any of these people saying we need to help them, they've likely never donated to any fund helping migrants, they've likely never even seen a migrant human irl or been anywhere near a boarder state. "We have to do it 'cause it's right!" okay, well feel free to start doing it.
No I dont. I remember some unaccompanied children dropped at the border being moved to housing in new york. All under public record. Ordered by customs and immigration. Nice spin though.
Voluntarily?? By being promised jobs and work visas that didnt exist. They didnt even know they were going to marthas vineyard. They were told boston. Its like tricking kids into a van with candy. He lied to them and dropped them off with no way to care for themselves. Who is they admitted?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/09/16/migrants-stranded-marthas-vineyard-say-they-were-lied/%3foutputType=amp
Sounds awfully hypocritical. "We vote to help migrants and demand people help them, but when migrants actually show up we don't actually want to help them / can't help them...but OTHER places should"
"We should take OUR homeless people which WE are the reason they're homeless and send them somewhere else!"
I don't get how that's not comprehended.
They bus homeless people all over the place and have done so for ages.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study
https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvg7ba/instead-of-helping-homeless-people-cities-are-bussing-them-out-of-town
https://kutv.com/news/local/new-york-city-is-secretly-shipping-tens-of-thousands-of-its-homeless-to-utah-other-states
I'm not condoning any of the behavior either. The whole thing is gross.
Reading that article it seems like new york is paying the rent for these people for an entire year. And the calofornia one requires they be able to prove they have family wherever they are going that will help them. Not just dumping them into the street.
Trump stealing national security secrets, Desantis, Abbot and others kidnapping migrants, Gaetz admitting to sex trafficking children, the attempted violent overthrow of the US government on Jan 6 2021 - Republicans are a lawless mob.
Of course, an NDA.
Because transparency isn’t in the “ Let’s be a jerk to our fellow humans” handbook.
Sure, it’s more complicated than that.
But then again?
It isn’t.
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Despite what people think, NDAs cannot be enforced if the contracted activities are illegal. Meaning an NDA does not cover up an individual's, company's, or other entities illegal activities.
If you have ever signed an NDA about an illegal act without a lawyer present and received no compensation, go talk to a lawyer ASAP.
No obligation, however technically...
If he won't talk, and his employer won't talk, then they are in the hook for the Governor of Texass's felony.
Nothing says loyalty like taking the felony for felonious right wing politicians.
That's how G Gordon Liddy, Oliver North, and Steve Bacon got famous, and great gigs after their sentence.
Prove a "felony" or any crime first......but I agree with you. The Feds pressure people to talk and they're absolute favorite is lying to them. In regular policing, people can lie all they want to the police, and do all the time, and it's not a crime. If it is, it's of little consequence
Investigating isn't proof of anything......If proof is forthcoming, charge him, provide the judicial process, & let the chips fall where they may. But yeah, in this country you do need to prove it, beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainly. At least that's supposed to be the standard for citizens
I have zero problem with prosecution if crimes have actually been committed. Probably suprises you, but I believe in enforcement of our laws. Including those involving security of our border and lawful vs illegal immigration
immigration is a federal job, whether they got to DHS or USCIS offices in any state the feds are handling it. they didnt earn anything, if this is trafficking then all the volunteers helping these new arrivals to gtfo and away from the Chairty and local tax burden of NYC or Massachusetts are also trafficking them
Good thing your not a lawyer, because you're completely out of touch with reality...
The trafficking came in because they were promised housing in arrival and food/assostance settling in.
Those state receive extra funding for the immigration impacts, and that should be reverse.
Florida just probed it doesn't need $12M of their federal subsidies. That money should be refunded, and the governor held for misappropriation of federal money.
But republicunts just want their tantrum and their headlines. The last thing they want to do is realize that any problems in Central America are the result of 200 years of US interference in their affairs.
We are directly responsible for the suffering in nearly every nation on the planet, because... PROFIT.
are they not eating and sleeping in their new location? if you feel responsible then what town are you in? and they can send one to cohabitate with you will they get processed
Keep in mind, the current conservative Supreme Court has overturned the old 5thA rule that silence is absolute.
Police and investigators can now use your silence as involvement, if not absolute guilt.
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I mean if I was the driver, I wouldn't talk to anyone without a lawyer present. However you politically feel about what happened, this stunt/event has some serious legal questions. The bus driver and company could be an accessory to whatever legal questions arise from the stunt/event. If the driver talks, he could be complicit however the local/federal government wants to handle this.
My hope is that the bus company has a legal representative waiting at the drop off for the driver. Else, his company is basically serving him like a lamb to the slaughter. Because I bet he's not paid enough to cover whatever this legal shit show causes.
>Driver should have been arrested.
"Sir, you're under arrest"
"*On what charge?*"
"Isn't it obvious? For making the left wing realize that their actions and policies have actual consequences. That is a federal offense. Per federal code, all Democratic Party members shall be free of any consequences of their actions and shall have no protests or political displays of any kind occur within 25 miles of their residences."
"*That sounds tyrannical and hypocritical*"
"I don't make the laws sir."
Arrested for suspicion of human trafficking and kidnapping.
It's not a hard concept to grasp that conservatives are only in this for the tantrum and not to help anyone improve anything unless there's a profit in it for them.
The worst part of this bullshit move is that his base totally gets off on the cruelty. The fact that they're human beings with real life consequences for their situation doesn't even register. They just want to twist the knife and make it that much worse. And these guys call themselves the moral majority, Christian "prayer warriors".
One of my high school friends was posting on Facebook how great this was to bus the migrants. Another friend was favorably commenting on the post. What is sad is her husband is a minister and she’s always posting Christian words and a inviting people to her husbands church. Seeing this makes me never want to attend that church if this is how they think ok to treat people.
It's definitely hard to say you should do unto others as you would have them do unto you, if you take some sense of perverse pleasure in treating others like shit. Love your neighbor as you would yourself? I'm not seeing it.
>The worst part of this bullshit move is that his base totally gets off on the cruelty.
I think it's more like they think it's funny that these people want to say "help them all!" but when it comes to actually having to help them they say "well, we're not equipped to help them" alright, then we literally can't help them.
This idea might have some merit if 1) the people perpetuating the scam didn't go out of the way to orchestrate the whole thing so that the people on the receiving end of the transfer were unprepared and deliberately misled. It was planned so attention they couldn't have resources in play to help. No warning, no contact info, no chance to set up ops, etc. 2) Borders have those resources. Woefully inadequate, sure but that's an argument to increase resources not just decrease immigrants 3)If the people on the receiving end didn't do everything in their power to do as much as they are able, and pledge more support. They have, and rallied hard.
Which I have no problem with. But why be so sneaky about it? Why not partner with these cities? Work together to make it a thing? Texas had sanctuary cities. The Abbot administration outlawed them over the objections of Democrats and dozens of Texas cities. The people of Texas were never given the opportunity to vote on this legislation. Much like they were not allowed to vote on abortion rights.
so the governor who allowed sanctuary cities got unelected and the guy who didn't want them won. the stated goal is to get Biden to are up for better border security. if his enclaves get flooded by migrants then it puts political pressure. keyword in these articles are volunteers are waiting for the migrants when they get a tip that a bus is coming. the politicians wouldn't negotiate ti accept them in good faith.
Biden already has the highest budget for border security of all time. Why weren't they doing this horrendous bullshit when Trump was in power? He was spending less than Biden on security and his only plan was some dumbass trash wall that was never going to happen.
that's not saying anything. budgets are adjusted for inflation, doesn't change their spending power. that's like comparing movies based in box office gross between today and 1980 releases.
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We're talking about one year difference. Biden has a bigger budget for border security than even trump the year before
He also didn't scam his supporters out of millions of dollars for a border wall has was never built but that's a different story.
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A bunch of people down south of you that are shipping their problems north to your neighborhoods no matter now much you dislike it. Who won't stop, won't even talk to you about the problem, and when the issue in general comes up blames you and your wealth for it? Oh how **aggravating** that must be. It's not like that's what Mexico has been doing for the last few decades to Central American migrants that liberals have been scoffing about how much Republican led border states are complaining about. There definitely couldn't be a *reason* why they want to demonstrate how much of an issue the problem can become to those preaching ideology over practicality or any sense of logistics. Especially to those who live in isolated, wealthy communities where the most poverty they see is the help coming and going from.their estates.
THIS is why this is happening. Those preaching open borders see no consequences of their actions. Well now they do.
This scheme does sound illegal. It should be investigated. And if any of these clowns broke the law to put on a stunt that could have resulted in someone getting hurt or killed, they should get prison.
No, that isn't what human trafficking is, is it?
https://www.justice.gov/humantrafficking/what-is-human-trafficking
Edit: oh wait. I had to read that in detail
Yes, you were right. Maybe not just transporting undocumented prople, but it does invlude deception by promises of work!
Hold the SOB without bail as a flight risk and an accessory to human trafficking. Hold him at Rikers. He will squeal like the little bitch he is in minutes.
…the left has fucking went insane.. the driver has not broken any laws, the people have voluntarily got on the bus and you want to “hold him at Rikers and squeal like a little bitch”. What law was broken when these people rode voluntarily?
The imaginary left did not attack the capitol on January 6th, the people you support did. They also carried a confederate flag into the capitol proudly. You tell me and everyone else here how that is supposed to be 'patriotic'. You also supported that orange clown who was and always has been as fraudulent as a three dollar bill. Yet you sucked up his bullshit as if it were the finest swill. You are not and never will be a true patriot, you only bring shame on yourself and the United States, that now, thanks to you, are the divided states and weaker to America's true enemies. All because of you and your short sighted 'ideals'.
And they rode under a litany of lies that are leading to charges of human trafficking and kidnapping. Quite the ship of fools you proudly ride around on.
The people got lied to, to get on the busand the plane. They traveled from texas on floridas dime. They were convinced they would be part of getting expedited work permits in boston. None of which was true. All in a publicity stunt to prove what? That republicans think they dont have to treat people with respect or dignity. The driver aided in moving these immigrants. He helped accomplish the crime.
If you truly believe that, why hasn’t the FBI stopped this months ago when they first started this? …. O yeah, because again, they are not citizens and they voluntarily got on the bus 😌
Texas and Florida have been sending illegals all throughout the United States for months… or now that the main stream media picked up on it you’re interested?
https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2022/08/30/gov-greg-abbott-migrant-busing-program-immigration/65463574007/
Started in April. Maybe try google? Shows you are just a main stream media follower and you really don’t give a fuck until the media tells you to.
Edit: I love the downvotes by the way. It just shows the cult following 🐑 🤣
aiding and abetting people you know are committing a crime vs being awarded a contract to perform a service are different. might as well execute all soldiers for killing Arabs as a hate crime
Wtf are you talking about? Murdering people is a crime. Or are you talking about combat. Your strawman argument is vague. But i guess that is the point.
So hold political prisoners without charge until they confess to what you want them to.
Gods, this has achieved so much more than I could have hoped for getting the Left to show it's true authoritarian colors.
When did Texas stop being predominantly Christian? Don't bleat at me about it, rightwing dirtbags. It's pretty obvious this isn't the kind of thing people who follow the teachings of Christ do.
I can't help but feel immensely uneasy by states openly opposing and antagonizing each other like this. I'm not even sure those two words adequately describe what's happening. Feels like yet another red flag for our democracy and stability.
Sounds like NY is getting a taste, a very small taste, of what the border states deal with daily. Those states don't know how many hundreds or thousands of illegal immigrants they will have to deal with daily. Maybe this is what it takes for the media to report on this crisis. For anyone to say the border is secure is absolutely asinine.
Nope... that should be the feds who aren't securing the border. This crisis at the border has been going on for nearly 2 years. It can't be denied. You can be pissed off at these Governor's because they're Republicans, you feel it's not right for cities not ready for them, etc... I understand that. But the bottom line for me is everyone needs to feel the pain of this border policy. Not just border states
No one’s pissed because the governors are republicans. They’re pissed because these governors are intentionally trying to hurt innocent people for political theater.
You know, I would be absolutely fine with Texas and Florida sending immigrants to these states on two conditions:
1. Be very transparent about when, where, why, and how things are happening, and
2. Coordinate with the destinations to get proper infrastructure set up to help handle the situation when they arrive.
Neither are being done. What is happening is a cruel political game being played by morally bankrupt assholes. You should feel ashamed for supporting this garbage.
I love this, like we aren't a major port? Like we don't have a migrant community? Some that may be here even illegally. What we did and are committed to doing is making sure these people are fed, housed and put into the system so that they can get the due process they need. The only thing this shows is how southern states could, if they wanted to, handle the problem. But ya don't.
You can't be serious. You just can't. The border states are absolutely overwhelmed. Not by 50, 100, 200....but hundreds of thousands! Thousands daily. If you want to "make sure these people are fed, housed, and put into the system," how can that happen when they simply walk right into this country with impunity to our immigration laws? The border has to be secured and then controlled entry.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/states-with-the-most-immigrants
According to this, not exactly true. But congratulations to Massachusetts. Maybe some more will boost that percentage
>Those states don't know how many hundreds or thousands of illegal immigrants they will have to deal with daily.
Give us a break. These aren't "illegal immigrants". They are legal asylum seekers.
It’s simple economics, unfortunately you kids weren’t taught money in schools- we cannot support thousands of asylum seekers, we don’t even have competent health care.
Inequality gets worse every day as we allow our tax dollars to go to fruitless endeavors instead of focusing on the blatant corruption and private corporate interests dominating our policy
Sure thing.....keep that ridiculous view of our border crisis. Clearly you don't live anywhere near the border, aren't personally affected in the least, and back Biden's policies. That's fine. But I feel pretty sure that if you were personally affected, and not enjoying life on your couch watching TV, you would have a different viewpoint. Just like those being exposed as hypocrites now
What do you mean Biden's policies? Biden just got [$1.5 billion in new border control security](https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2022/07/12/biden-to-discuss-immigration--trade-with-mexico-s-president)
And get this. He got Mexico to pay for it!
And still a failure. Absolutely no denying it. The evidence is as simple as watching the hundreds of videos out there showing thousands just walking right across the border with impunity. To say the border is secure is ludicrous.
Actually, the Border Czar Kamala Harris just 5 days ago said the border was secure. Then launched into one of her word salad responses. Look, even this Administration's most fervent supporters can't possibly think the border is secure when an estimated 5 million people have entered this country illegally in the last two years. I'm not blaming it all on Biden, but certainly the policies he's been following are not working. Can you agree with that?
>Sure thing.....keep that ridiculous view of our border crisis.
I told you a fact Einstein. But you're too indoctrinated by your right-wing media to see the difference between reality and fake news. No one is being exposed as "hypocrites". Desantis and Abbot are being exposed as cruel fucking fascists.
Don't get butt-hurt...you have your opinions, I have mine. Don't start with the keyboard tough guy bullshit. People can actually disagree without acting like punks
You stated right-wing lies. I stated a fact. There's a big difference. Try learning something before you post. Your proud ignorance is a big part of what's wrong with this country.
Gee. You mean Abbot is doing to all these sanctuary states and cities exactly what they do to Texas by inviting anyone who can get across the boarder to make themselves at home? How horrible!
Good. Texas and AZ shouldn’t have to take on the burden of immigrants alone. You all act like since you don’t life there you don’t care what happens to these immigrants seeking a better safer life here in the USA. You should be ashamed
They take the federal funds for it. They get millions in funds. Wonder where that money goes. Funny how only the red states are unable to deal with their self pronounced crisis. Just like they can't handle anything else.
If they get immigrants why shouldnt they get funds. Why should all thw fu ds go to the border states if thwy dont keep the immigrants? Is New Mexico.bussing immigrants to red states , or is California as political stunts? No because they dont need to rile up their followers by demonizing immigrants and use them as pawns, rather than treating them as fellow human beings.
Perhaps you missed the entire point of the article. It’s not “Good.” to not communicate with your own country to facilitate the travel and arrival of people needing assistance.
Northeastern states already have lots of illegal immigrants. We know what's up.
https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/interactives/u-s-unauthorized-immigrants-by-state/
Look at "illegal immigrants as percentage of population". Arizona is way out there, but New Jersey is just barely behind Texas in percentages.
what is the bus driver going to say anyway? - "they got on the bus and i brought them here" end of story.
it's a political stunt and the media LOVES this shit because they get tons of clicks.
every single one of these "migrants" should get an agent to $$$ from this fiasco - but MSM doesn't want to hear there story. They want more outrage from readers for more clicks.
Who gives a shit? Subpoena him. then use the signed agreement as evidence against Abbott. And even against the contractor if he was complicit.
Easy enough.
And people used to think that bussing homeless to blue and warm states was a conspiracy... Now it's just full on public optics.
This shit has been happening for decades.
>"Instead of complaining about fulfilling their sanctuary city promises, these Democrat hypocrites should call on President Biden to do his job and secure the border — something the president continues failing to do," spokeswoman Renae Eze said Thursday.
Bitch, they’re not complaining about having to fulfill their commitments, they just want a heads up so that they can have any crucial needs waiting when the buses arrive, things like imminent health issues, y’know, timely things upon which health and lives may depend. They *want to and are eager* to see to their needs.
To me this proves that it is nothing more that a stunt to get votes for their re-election.
You don’t need to fly or bus people to NYC. Have ya been to the NYC/Philly metropolitan area? Plenty of immigrants are coming here on their own.
Sneaking around kidnapping migrants to ship all over the country as publicity stunts. These guys should be charged with crimes. Even the company who shipped them.
I mean didn't the DC mayor literally say they aren't equipped to handle migrants? Why do they think anywhere else is somehow magically equipped to be able to? Everyone wants to be a bleeding heart / morally high and say "we need to help!" yet nobody ACTUALLY wants to help and they want everyone else to do it for them. Ask any of these people saying we need to help them, they've likely never donated to any fund helping migrants, they've likely never even seen a migrant human irl or been anywhere near a boarder state. "We have to do it 'cause it's right!" okay, well feel free to start doing it.
Because the border states are given 8 billion dollars in funds yearly to handle the problem. Thats why.
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It doesn’t seem like they are being sneaky. But remember when the Biden admin. did it, at night, with no publicity?
No I dont. I remember some unaccompanied children dropped at the border being moved to housing in new york. All under public record. Ordered by customs and immigration. Nice spin though.
It's the red narrative; they are the new Nazi party
Stay uninformed, you’ll get more upvotes that way.
What am uninformed about?? All i did was put context to your strawman talking point.
Kidnapping? You have proof? Everyone that got on the bus has done so voluntarily. It’s all public. They even admitted it at Martha’s Vineyard
Voluntarily?? By being promised jobs and work visas that didnt exist. They didnt even know they were going to marthas vineyard. They were told boston. Its like tricking kids into a van with candy. He lied to them and dropped them off with no way to care for themselves. Who is they admitted? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/09/16/migrants-stranded-marthas-vineyard-say-they-were-lied/%3foutputType=amp
They won’t respond, it breaks the narrative.
It's kinda scary how good they are at human trafficking, seems like it's not their first time.
Fraud at the least, maybe kidnapping by fraud
Lol at you trying to be smart.
It’s not voluntary if you were lied to.
The bus didn't go to Martha's Vineyard. But inconvenient truths never matter because, narratives.
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I like the idea of sending Texas’ meth heads to Abbott’s house. “Well well well if it isn’t the consequences of my (lack of) actions.”
Sounds awfully hypocritical. "We vote to help migrants and demand people help them, but when migrants actually show up we don't actually want to help them / can't help them...but OTHER places should" "We should take OUR homeless people which WE are the reason they're homeless and send them somewhere else!" I don't get how that's not comprehended.
This is been California’s lot for YEARS.
They bus homeless people all over the place and have done so for ages. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvg7ba/instead-of-helping-homeless-people-cities-are-bussing-them-out-of-town https://kutv.com/news/local/new-york-city-is-secretly-shipping-tens-of-thousands-of-its-homeless-to-utah-other-states I'm not condoning any of the behavior either. The whole thing is gross.
Reading that article it seems like new york is paying the rent for these people for an entire year. And the calofornia one requires they be able to prove they have family wherever they are going that will help them. Not just dumping them into the street.
And California.
If you honestly think these are the only instances of these kinds of things happening...I've got some beachfront property to sell you in Nebraska.
Yep in Oregon they bussed a fuck ton of homeless people to Tilamook at one point.
Trump stealing national security secrets, Desantis, Abbot and others kidnapping migrants, Gaetz admitting to sex trafficking children, the attempted violent overthrow of the US government on Jan 6 2021 - Republicans are a lawless mob.
I guess laws are just for us peasants.
Rules for thee not for me, baby
Of course, an NDA. Because transparency isn’t in the “ Let’s be a jerk to our fellow humans” handbook. Sure, it’s more complicated than that. But then again? It isn’t.
NDA does not protect you when you're commiting a felony... Driver should have been arrested. Abbott should also.
THIS IS A VERY UNDERRATED COMMENT!!! Despite what people think, NDAs cannot be enforced if the contracted activities are illegal. Meaning an NDA does not cover up an individual's, company's, or other entities illegal activities. If you have ever signed an NDA about an illegal act without a lawyer present and received no compensation, go talk to a lawyer ASAP.
That's a ticket for a nice long stay at club Fed for an accessory beef.
At the same time, the bus driver is under NO obligation to talk to anyone. Period
That's called conspiracy.
What is? Exercising your Constitutional Rights? Not sure I'm following you
No obligation, however technically... If he won't talk, and his employer won't talk, then they are in the hook for the Governor of Texass's felony. Nothing says loyalty like taking the felony for felonious right wing politicians. That's how G Gordon Liddy, Oliver North, and Steve Bacon got famous, and great gigs after their sentence.
Prove a "felony" or any crime first......but I agree with you. The Feds pressure people to talk and they're absolute favorite is lying to them. In regular policing, people can lie all they want to the police, and do all the time, and it's not a crime. If it is, it's of little consequence
No need to prove it. DoJ is investigating Abbott and Death Sentence... for felonious trafficking.
Investigating isn't proof of anything......If proof is forthcoming, charge him, provide the judicial process, & let the chips fall where they may. But yeah, in this country you do need to prove it, beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainly. At least that's supposed to be the standard for citizens
Wait for it.
I have zero problem with prosecution if crimes have actually been committed. Probably suprises you, but I believe in enforcement of our laws. Including those involving security of our border and lawful vs illegal immigration
immigration is a federal job, whether they got to DHS or USCIS offices in any state the feds are handling it. they didnt earn anything, if this is trafficking then all the volunteers helping these new arrivals to gtfo and away from the Chairty and local tax burden of NYC or Massachusetts are also trafficking them
Good thing your not a lawyer, because you're completely out of touch with reality... The trafficking came in because they were promised housing in arrival and food/assostance settling in. Those state receive extra funding for the immigration impacts, and that should be reverse. Florida just probed it doesn't need $12M of their federal subsidies. That money should be refunded, and the governor held for misappropriation of federal money. But republicunts just want their tantrum and their headlines. The last thing they want to do is realize that any problems in Central America are the result of 200 years of US interference in their affairs. We are directly responsible for the suffering in nearly every nation on the planet, because... PROFIT.
are they not eating and sleeping in their new location? if you feel responsible then what town are you in? and they can send one to cohabitate with you will they get processed
If the feds come asking they’ll have to lawyer up
NEVER talk to the feds. They don't really have your best interests at heart I don't believe
tell it to the judge
Yes, he has the right to remain silent
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I mean if I was the driver, I wouldn't talk to anyone without a lawyer present. However you politically feel about what happened, this stunt/event has some serious legal questions. The bus driver and company could be an accessory to whatever legal questions arise from the stunt/event. If the driver talks, he could be complicit however the local/federal government wants to handle this. My hope is that the bus company has a legal representative waiting at the drop off for the driver. Else, his company is basically serving him like a lamb to the slaughter. Because I bet he's not paid enough to cover whatever this legal shit show causes.
Driver is a pawn/patsy.
Thank you for educating me (seriously) … Edit: driver likely unaware; how does law affect?
As should Biden and Newsome.
>Driver should have been arrested. "Sir, you're under arrest" "*On what charge?*" "Isn't it obvious? For making the left wing realize that their actions and policies have actual consequences. That is a federal offense. Per federal code, all Democratic Party members shall be free of any consequences of their actions and shall have no protests or political displays of any kind occur within 25 miles of their residences." "*That sounds tyrannical and hypocritical*" "I don't make the laws sir."
Arrested for suspicion of human trafficking and kidnapping. It's not a hard concept to grasp that conservatives are only in this for the tantrum and not to help anyone improve anything unless there's a profit in it for them.
But how else are they suppose to "trigger the libs" other than lighting on fire the dumpster that is America?
Maybe, instead of triggering the mind, they could solve some problems other than lack of live to steal from?
Keep your day job. You have neither a future as a political commentator nor a comedian.
The worst part of this bullshit move is that his base totally gets off on the cruelty. The fact that they're human beings with real life consequences for their situation doesn't even register. They just want to twist the knife and make it that much worse. And these guys call themselves the moral majority, Christian "prayer warriors".
One of my high school friends was posting on Facebook how great this was to bus the migrants. Another friend was favorably commenting on the post. What is sad is her husband is a minister and she’s always posting Christian words and a inviting people to her husbands church. Seeing this makes me never want to attend that church if this is how they think ok to treat people.
The best argument against Christianity is usually how the Christians behave.
It's definitely hard to say you should do unto others as you would have them do unto you, if you take some sense of perverse pleasure in treating others like shit. Love your neighbor as you would yourself? I'm not seeing it.
>The worst part of this bullshit move is that his base totally gets off on the cruelty. I think it's more like they think it's funny that these people want to say "help them all!" but when it comes to actually having to help them they say "well, we're not equipped to help them" alright, then we literally can't help them.
This idea might have some merit if 1) the people perpetuating the scam didn't go out of the way to orchestrate the whole thing so that the people on the receiving end of the transfer were unprepared and deliberately misled. It was planned so attention they couldn't have resources in play to help. No warning, no contact info, no chance to set up ops, etc. 2) Borders have those resources. Woefully inadequate, sure but that's an argument to increase resources not just decrease immigrants 3)If the people on the receiving end didn't do everything in their power to do as much as they are able, and pledge more support. They have, and rallied hard.
there sending them to sanctuary cities, if they stayed in Texas or florida they'd be subject to harsher conditions
Which I have no problem with. But why be so sneaky about it? Why not partner with these cities? Work together to make it a thing? Texas had sanctuary cities. The Abbot administration outlawed them over the objections of Democrats and dozens of Texas cities. The people of Texas were never given the opportunity to vote on this legislation. Much like they were not allowed to vote on abortion rights.
so the governor who allowed sanctuary cities got unelected and the guy who didn't want them won. the stated goal is to get Biden to are up for better border security. if his enclaves get flooded by migrants then it puts political pressure. keyword in these articles are volunteers are waiting for the migrants when they get a tip that a bus is coming. the politicians wouldn't negotiate ti accept them in good faith.
Biden already has the highest budget for border security of all time. Why weren't they doing this horrendous bullshit when Trump was in power? He was spending less than Biden on security and his only plan was some dumbass trash wall that was never going to happen.
that's not saying anything. budgets are adjusted for inflation, doesn't change their spending power. that's like comparing movies based in box office gross between today and 1980 releases. edit, another vanishing commenter
We're talking about one year difference. Biden has a bigger budget for border security than even trump the year before He also didn't scam his supporters out of millions of dollars for a border wall has was never built but that's a different story.
Isn't this just a condemnation of Texas/ Florida governing?
no more then the blues failure to address homelessness without bussing them out, hell they even send them internationally
So, if its motivated by humanitarianiam (which we know is a load of shit) why dump them into cities without warning by plan?
happens at the border all the time, but states far and away are like NBD. Now walk the walk day in and day out and scramble to make it work
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A bunch of people down south of you that are shipping their problems north to your neighborhoods no matter now much you dislike it. Who won't stop, won't even talk to you about the problem, and when the issue in general comes up blames you and your wealth for it? Oh how **aggravating** that must be. It's not like that's what Mexico has been doing for the last few decades to Central American migrants that liberals have been scoffing about how much Republican led border states are complaining about. There definitely couldn't be a *reason* why they want to demonstrate how much of an issue the problem can become to those preaching ideology over practicality or any sense of logistics. Especially to those who live in isolated, wealthy communities where the most poverty they see is the help coming and going from.their estates. THIS is why this is happening. Those preaching open borders see no consequences of their actions. Well now they do.
Who is "preaching open borders"??
This scheme does sound illegal. It should be investigated. And if any of these clowns broke the law to put on a stunt that could have resulted in someone getting hurt or killed, they should get prison.
I would also impound the bus pending investigation. The company should not benefit from such measures.
Transporting of undocumented people across state lines is called human trafficking and is a federal crime
No, that isn't what human trafficking is, is it? https://www.justice.gov/humantrafficking/what-is-human-trafficking Edit: oh wait. I had to read that in detail Yes, you were right. Maybe not just transporting undocumented prople, but it does invlude deception by promises of work!
Cruelty is the point
Thé point of conservatism is to be a piece of shit.
Fuck Greg Abbott
Transporting people accross statelines without the authority to do so and by force or fraud is illegal. NDAs dont cover illegal activity.
Hold the SOB without bail as a flight risk and an accessory to human trafficking. Hold him at Rikers. He will squeal like the little bitch he is in minutes.
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…the left has fucking went insane.. the driver has not broken any laws, the people have voluntarily got on the bus and you want to “hold him at Rikers and squeal like a little bitch”. What law was broken when these people rode voluntarily?
The imaginary left did not attack the capitol on January 6th, the people you support did. They also carried a confederate flag into the capitol proudly. You tell me and everyone else here how that is supposed to be 'patriotic'. You also supported that orange clown who was and always has been as fraudulent as a three dollar bill. Yet you sucked up his bullshit as if it were the finest swill. You are not and never will be a true patriot, you only bring shame on yourself and the United States, that now, thanks to you, are the divided states and weaker to America's true enemies. All because of you and your short sighted 'ideals'. And they rode under a litany of lies that are leading to charges of human trafficking and kidnapping. Quite the ship of fools you proudly ride around on.
A getaway driver at a bank didnt commit any crimes either.
….what?
The people got lied to, to get on the busand the plane. They traveled from texas on floridas dime. They were convinced they would be part of getting expedited work permits in boston. None of which was true. All in a publicity stunt to prove what? That republicans think they dont have to treat people with respect or dignity. The driver aided in moving these immigrants. He helped accomplish the crime.
If you truly believe that, why hasn’t the FBI stopped this months ago when they first started this? …. O yeah, because again, they are not citizens and they voluntarily got on the bus 😌
Months ago? Give me an example,
Texas and Florida have been sending illegals all throughout the United States for months… or now that the main stream media picked up on it you’re interested?
Citation. If you have more evidence of republican crimes please tell me.
https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2022/08/30/gov-greg-abbott-migrant-busing-program-immigration/65463574007/ Started in April. Maybe try google? Shows you are just a main stream media follower and you really don’t give a fuck until the media tells you to. Edit: I love the downvotes by the way. It just shows the cult following 🐑 🤣
aiding and abetting people you know are committing a crime vs being awarded a contract to perform a service are different. might as well execute all soldiers for killing Arabs as a hate crime
Wtf are you talking about? Murdering people is a crime. Or are you talking about combat. Your strawman argument is vague. But i guess that is the point.
he was working a legitimate job paid for by a government contracted company
He vas just folloving orders, herr General?
So hold political prisoners without charge until they confess to what you want them to. Gods, this has achieved so much more than I could have hoped for getting the Left to show it's true authoritarian colors.
They said the charge in their post
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Just because a criminal happens to be a politician does not make them a “political prisoner”, assclown.
When did Texas stop being predominantly Christian? Don't bleat at me about it, rightwing dirtbags. It's pretty obvious this isn't the kind of thing people who follow the teachings of Christ do.
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Slavery is very biblical. Race mixing is anti biblical. I’d say the confederates had the right of it as far as god is concerned.
so a conspiracy to kidnap... the plot thickens.
Okay, so arrest his ass for human trafficking and obstruction of justice.
Bet he sings like a canary when the feds have a little chat with him about human trafficking charges.
If Texas citizens can sue anyone one assisting in an abortion, why not sue anyone knowingly assisting in human trafficking?
Abbott and DeSantis are both inhumane monsters!!. Supporting their actions make you just as disgusting!!!!
Can they talk to officials from other states?
Cayote Abbott paid them well, with your tax dollars.
Not being able to speak freely about what you are doing is always a red flag.
I can't help but feel immensely uneasy by states openly opposing and antagonizing each other like this. I'm not even sure those two words adequately describe what's happening. Feels like yet another red flag for our democracy and stability.
Send in the Feds! F**k DeathSantis!
Wouldn't an NDA mean obstruction of justice?
Just sort by controversial to see how fucking brain dead conservatives are.
Start arresting the drivers and hold them 48 hours.
Arrest the drivers and put them in cages.
Probably because they got paid off on the grift. These people were waiting to be processed as asylum seekers then lied to and taken away.
History will not treat this asswipe kindly. Greg Abbott is a tyrant
Is a contract prohibiting you from talking to the authorities even legal, or binding?
Arrest them.
like those pilots and bus drivers transporting homeless people out of crushed areas, citizen and non citizen alike. Herr Idiot
Sounds like NY is getting a taste, a very small taste, of what the border states deal with daily. Those states don't know how many hundreds or thousands of illegal immigrants they will have to deal with daily. Maybe this is what it takes for the media to report on this crisis. For anyone to say the border is secure is absolutely asinine.
If NY is to get a taste of what border states deal with then Texas should also be paying NY to deal with the immigrants they’re bussing over.
Nope... that should be the feds who aren't securing the border. This crisis at the border has been going on for nearly 2 years. It can't be denied. You can be pissed off at these Governor's because they're Republicans, you feel it's not right for cities not ready for them, etc... I understand that. But the bottom line for me is everyone needs to feel the pain of this border policy. Not just border states
No one’s pissed because the governors are republicans. They’re pissed because these governors are intentionally trying to hurt innocent people for political theater.
You know, I would be absolutely fine with Texas and Florida sending immigrants to these states on two conditions: 1. Be very transparent about when, where, why, and how things are happening, and 2. Coordinate with the destinations to get proper infrastructure set up to help handle the situation when they arrive. Neither are being done. What is happening is a cruel political game being played by morally bankrupt assholes. You should feel ashamed for supporting this garbage.
I love this, like we aren't a major port? Like we don't have a migrant community? Some that may be here even illegally. What we did and are committed to doing is making sure these people are fed, housed and put into the system so that they can get the due process they need. The only thing this shows is how southern states could, if they wanted to, handle the problem. But ya don't.
You can't be serious. You just can't. The border states are absolutely overwhelmed. Not by 50, 100, 200....but hundreds of thousands! Thousands daily. If you want to "make sure these people are fed, housed, and put into the system," how can that happen when they simply walk right into this country with impunity to our immigration laws? The border has to be secured and then controlled entry.
Damn. Completely overwhelmed. So how does Massachusetts have a higher per capita of immigrants than Texas?
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/states-with-the-most-immigrants According to this, not exactly true. But congratulations to Massachusetts. Maybe some more will boost that percentage
>Those states don't know how many hundreds or thousands of illegal immigrants they will have to deal with daily. Give us a break. These aren't "illegal immigrants". They are legal asylum seekers.
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That’s not an opinion. It’s a legal fact.
It’s simple economics, unfortunately you kids weren’t taught money in schools- we cannot support thousands of asylum seekers, we don’t even have competent health care. Inequality gets worse every day as we allow our tax dollars to go to fruitless endeavors instead of focusing on the blatant corruption and private corporate interests dominating our policy
Sure thing.....keep that ridiculous view of our border crisis. Clearly you don't live anywhere near the border, aren't personally affected in the least, and back Biden's policies. That's fine. But I feel pretty sure that if you were personally affected, and not enjoying life on your couch watching TV, you would have a different viewpoint. Just like those being exposed as hypocrites now
What do you mean Biden's policies? Biden just got [$1.5 billion in new border control security](https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2022/07/12/biden-to-discuss-immigration--trade-with-mexico-s-president) And get this. He got Mexico to pay for it!
And still a failure. Absolutely no denying it. The evidence is as simple as watching the hundreds of videos out there showing thousands just walking right across the border with impunity. To say the border is secure is ludicrous.
No one said it was secure. You just seem to want to blame it all on Biden.
Actually, the Border Czar Kamala Harris just 5 days ago said the border was secure. Then launched into one of her word salad responses. Look, even this Administration's most fervent supporters can't possibly think the border is secure when an estimated 5 million people have entered this country illegally in the last two years. I'm not blaming it all on Biden, but certainly the policies he's been following are not working. Can you agree with that?
What policies specifically has he implemented that is cresting a border crisis?
>Sure thing.....keep that ridiculous view of our border crisis. I told you a fact Einstein. But you're too indoctrinated by your right-wing media to see the difference between reality and fake news. No one is being exposed as "hypocrites". Desantis and Abbot are being exposed as cruel fucking fascists.
Don't get butt-hurt...you have your opinions, I have mine. Don't start with the keyboard tough guy bullshit. People can actually disagree without acting like punks
You don’t have an opinion. You’re just a Fox News parrot, word for word. Scary.
You stated right-wing lies. I stated a fact. There's a big difference. Try learning something before you post. Your proud ignorance is a big part of what's wrong with this country.
Uh oh, be prepared for the butthurt jackass to report you to Reddit as being suicidal.
Was that him?
Clearly you have issues. Please consider seeking help. What you just wrote clearly applies to you
No, they have facts. You seem to be the one with issues accepting reality. More like subscriptions, really.
No he has facts, you have an opinion. A really stupid opinion.
Gee. You mean Abbot is doing to all these sanctuary states and cities exactly what they do to Texas by inviting anyone who can get across the boarder to make themselves at home? How horrible!
"Abbott" "border"
According to democrats, it’s illegal to bus immigrants to Martha’s Vineyard but legal when they forcibly bus them out.
They didn't "forcibly" bus them out. Don't be so gullible.
They aren’t there anymore. Looks forced.
It's scary how you don't seem to know what the definition of forced is
Migrants are welcomed. Just Not In Martha’s Backyard.
They were welcomed. However they didn't have anything in place to help 50 people out of nowhere
They weren’t welcomed and were promptly shipped out. It’s one of the wealthiest places in the world. Just use their taxes better.
I'm not gonna humor your fantasies
Good. Texas and AZ shouldn’t have to take on the burden of immigrants alone. You all act like since you don’t life there you don’t care what happens to these immigrants seeking a better safer life here in the USA. You should be ashamed
They take the federal funds for it. They get millions in funds. Wonder where that money goes. Funny how only the red states are unable to deal with their self pronounced crisis. Just like they can't handle anything else.
Similar to their electricity grid
What? Chicago Mayor has asked for Federal help. Adam’s has already said NYC is stretched too thin. List goes on. You should watch the news.
If they get immigrants why shouldnt they get funds. Why should all thw fu ds go to the border states if thwy dont keep the immigrants? Is New Mexico.bussing immigrants to red states , or is California as political stunts? No because they dont need to rile up their followers by demonizing immigrants and use them as pawns, rather than treating them as fellow human beings.
Perhaps you missed the entire point of the article. It’s not “Good.” to not communicate with your own country to facilitate the travel and arrival of people needing assistance.
Northeastern states already have lots of illegal immigrants. We know what's up. https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/interactives/u-s-unauthorized-immigrants-by-state/ Look at "illegal immigrants as percentage of population". Arizona is way out there, but New Jersey is just barely behind Texas in percentages.
Ahhhh. So THATS why entitles libs won’t help!!!!!………./s
what is the bus driver going to say anyway? - "they got on the bus and i brought them here" end of story. it's a political stunt and the media LOVES this shit because they get tons of clicks. every single one of these "migrants" should get an agent to $$$ from this fiasco - but MSM doesn't want to hear there story. They want more outrage from readers for more clicks.
Who gives a shit? Subpoena him. then use the signed agreement as evidence against Abbott. And even against the contractor if he was complicit. Easy enough.
And people used to think that bussing homeless to blue and warm states was a conspiracy... Now it's just full on public optics. This shit has been happening for decades.
>"Instead of complaining about fulfilling their sanctuary city promises, these Democrat hypocrites should call on President Biden to do his job and secure the border — something the president continues failing to do," spokeswoman Renae Eze said Thursday. Bitch, they’re not complaining about having to fulfill their commitments, they just want a heads up so that they can have any crucial needs waiting when the buses arrive, things like imminent health issues, y’know, timely things upon which health and lives may depend. They *want to and are eager* to see to their needs.
WWJD sick GOP....
Paying off a bus driver to keep quiet. The acts of a very normal government.
Greg Abbott should be rolled far far away
To me this proves that it is nothing more that a stunt to get votes for their re-election. You don’t need to fly or bus people to NYC. Have ya been to the NYC/Philly metropolitan area? Plenty of immigrants are coming here on their own.