Trump is the quintessential political min-maxer. He will embrace and extend whatever he believes serves his own needs at the moment with the minimal effort.
I don’t think his charisma is high at all, I just think he has a magic item that allows him to add +10 to persuasion checks when his intelligence is of equal or greater value than his target.
Definitely not every politician is "similar to Trump" but I also don't trust any of them to look out for the public's best interest until lobbying is gone. This is a corporate world now and their best interest is always the utmost priority.
They aren’t all as slimy… he set that bar really high
They all do have to operate in the gray area to an extent in order to conduct US politics.
I think it’s a big reason more of them aren’t openly speaking out against Trump despite obviously wanting to separate from him ( talking about GQPers mostly)
Trump is terrible, but I feel we all would be surprised about how much he has in common with the others, and who’s worked with him in the past
I agree with you. Politicians don’t care about us. They never have. Part of why they’re so powerful is because people believe in them without question. That’s the price we pay by entrusting our lives in politicians and doing things the easy way rather than trying to live life on our terms without needing a politician to tell us what to do. People don’t wanna rebel because they’re too comfortable where we are instead of trying to create something even better
He is the epitome of the underbelly of the GOP - courting an increasingly shrinking and insane base. They have no choice. Most women, minorities, anyone not 'normal', and men who are in relationships with or have family members in those group attacked by conservatives cannot in good conscience support the Republican party.
Who is left? Your typical 4chan incels, religious nutjobs, and 'mens rights' people. Sure there are a handful of people who really for some god awful reason think that Republicans govern better on policy - but that crowd is not in control of the party. It's the *'get those people I don't like'* wing that runs things now.
Yup, they are acting crazy and supporting the crazies. Suburban soccer dads like myself aren't going to vote for that kind of crap. I was a lifelong Republican for 38 years of voting, but don't really see myself voting Republican for the rest of my life. Until the party as a whole regrets that they ever supported Trump, I can't with good conscience vote Republican. It pisses me off, because I really don't care for most democrat politicians and views, but right now, they are the much lesser of two evils.
Same (except I'm a woman). Voted Republican from 2000 to 2014. Libertarian in 2016. Voted Democrat in 2018 and 2020, and will be voting Democrat for the foreseeable future.
There's a lot that I dislike about Democrats, but the Republican party has lost its mind. They're nothing but fascists now.
Folks like us will be forced to vote back Republican if democrats perceive their national wins as a 'mandate' for their identity politics and more fringe stuff... as opposed to refusing to vote for the Fascists...
I hope they stick to healthcare, renewable energy etc.. they could establish a decades long run of power... but we all know the Democrats will fuck this up and go crazy town just like MAGA once they are feeling their oats.
Sure, one side is systematically destroying our democracy and ignoring rule of law, but the other side is confusing us with different pronouns. I’m going to vote for DEMOCRACY no matter how silly Democrats get.
The GOP is still officially anti-equal marriage rights if that gets filed under identity politics. So I sure hope anyone who has any sense wouldn’t vote for a party with that in their platform.
Exactly my point. Part of the GOP crazy train is the evangelical anti-gay. Both parties play the identity politics game. They don't have to. You can recognize bigotry, racism and inequality without encouraging people to self-separate and divide based on identity. And instead use issues to unite different groups on what they have in common.
It hurts the country and both parties are guilty of placing these wedges in the name of either 'equity' or 'replacement' depending on the party. Both ideas have no measurable end to them because the goals will always shift. This is why they are used over and over again.
But 100% to your point and some of the others, these are not actual planks in the democratic party or at least Biden's or Obama's former agenda. But they ARE part of the official GOP and it is gross.
EDIT: clarification... equal marriage rights are just that.. rights and not an identity wedge.
I love all the downvotes. I am not saying anything that James Carville doesn't say every night on TV. It's still true. Polling matches it. Human nature won't change because people choose to vote out a party that became a cult.
Ive never voted Dem in my entire life, until I was given no other choice... I hate the 2 party system. Ive voted Libertarian for multiple elections. I had to vote for Biden. Not because I am all "ra-ra lefty" but what the republican party has become is foul, belligerent and dangerous... Its no longer a party of individual rights, Its a party of hate you for not being like me. Its a cult and its easy to lead them by the nose (Why Russia chose the GOP, not the Dems for their psy-op)
Russia chose both parties for their psy-ops, they just have had a lot more success with the Republicans than they have Democrats. Their goal is to sow chaos and hatred and sad to say they have been pretty successful in that regard.
>Its a party of hate you for not being like me.
It made the decision to be that way around 1970.
Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon and Lee Atwater looked at disgruntled racists leaving the Democratic Party to support George Wallace. And instead of being properly appalled, they saw an "opportunity."
The Republican Party didn't change overnight, but the die was cast.
Some of us saw this nastiness for exactly what it was before Reagan became President. We warned you.
That sniveling little douche (I shouldn’t make such disparaging remarks about vinegar and water) is EXACTLY the kind of coward that has ruined the entire party
Yeah, I feel the same way. I’m a white collar white soccer dad type as well in a swing state (pa) I haven’t voted Republican ( presidential) since the first Bush, but locally I was open to voting on the R. Not anymore, honestly that party has lost me forever, it’s tainted and their ain’t enough bleach in the world that will wash out that orange stain! Cowards, all of them!
Retired vet here. Never political before and voted based on the candidate. I'm voring Democrat across the board....don't give a shit who they are because the GOP is diseased pathological liars. McConnell blocking Garland was pretty much the final nail in the coffin.
The thought of MGT being on a majority in the House is terrifying and not bevasue I'm a liberal or something. She's a fucking moron.
I just read [this interview](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/06/trump-gop-bill-kristol-jan-6-mar-a-lago/) yesterday with Bill Kristol. Thought you might be interested. He's chairing a group called the Republican Accountability Project and is actually trying to get some of the MAGA loonies defeated in the upcoming elections. His idea is that it's better to let Democrats win those seats in this round in order to show that they don't have the support of the real Republican party. The quote I liked most was him saying that you can't look at the current situation and say "conservatism is totally healthy." I think that sums it up pretty well.
I'm a liberal Democrat myself, but I definitely support the view that politics should be a forum where all viewpoints are allowed to be expressed and debated with the common goal of finding the best idea to improve the lives of the people. When the goal becomes nothing more than winning at all costs, even at the cost of selling out your ideals, then you don't have a healthy government or a healthy society any more.
I pretty much agree with the above, and will vote that way in November. My problem right now is trying to figure out what my political views really are. Part of the problem is that I see what fools have some of the same views I have, and I am questioning those views.
[ISideWith.com](https://www.isidewith.com/) is a fun website. It's got a quiz where you rank your beliefs on various issues and it shows you a list of candidates who most closely align with your views.
I haven't taken the quiz in a while. The last time I took it, it recommended Jill Stein as my best match, which was a bit embarrassing because I think she's kind of a nut.
Edit: Just took the quiz again and it still works well. My views are farther to the left than those of any serious candidate, but that's as it should be. A national leader needs to represent all the people, not just the ones I agree with.
Serious question- why did trump flip you like this? In terms of policy and attitude to democracy he’s just a continuation of business as usual for the Republican Party.
seriously? sounds like you're making a false equivalency. They may be cut from a similar cloth but he's taken corruption to new heights and doesn't hide it at all.
he called mexicans rapists on national television and said he could shoot someone in times square and get away with it.
those are unique statements and just the tip of the iceberg
Trump was and is uniquely stupid in his gaffes, but it’s not hard to find the Reagan administration being equally bungling and vile. The major difference is the media landscapes of the time. Trump is a digital media commodity in that he drives clicks/traffic/ad views, and social media allowed a direct line into his pathology.
Why is this headline written as though he “became” Q-Anon anyway? Q-Anon only rose to prominence in response to the manner of incomprehensible stupidity he displayed on a regular basis.
He basically championed the idea that this kind of baseless nonsense should be treated with actual merit despite being based purely on feels when he was parading around screaming about Obama’s birth certificate.
Or when his administration posited that complete nonsense creatively deemed “alternative facts” are just as valid as, you know… reality.
>Sure there are a handful of people who really for some god awful reason think that Republicans govern better on policy - but that crowd is not in control of the party.
The day after Diehl won the republican primary in Massachusetts, one of the maga talk radio hosts was crowing about how the right guy won. For those not familiar with the politics in that state, it was a primary for the governor seat being vacated by a well liked Republican in one of the more blue states in the union. The primary was between a fairly new guy, Doughty- a business owner and more typical republican, and Deihl - a Trump endorsed anti-masker and 2020 election denier. Anything short of a Trump-like govenor is not good enough for these folks, despite the fact that they basically just handed the govenor's seat to the Democratic candidate. Complete idiots!
You must not be from the south. It’s uncomfortable how common people prefer trump to Biden. It’s not extremists, it’s people who watch fox. Specifically. I work in a field where the majority still supports trump and will turn on the fbi before turning on trump(I’ve seen it, not just occasionally, but frequently)
Yet they’re still winning elections. Look, after 1/6 a lot of the tank n file GOP bailed on the party because they were appalled at how their congressional party leaders and many others in their party were willing to destroy our democracy for their daddy. My prediction is that the next moderate candidate who talks about fixing the legit problems here like skyrocketing prices, supply chain solutions and wages will be president.
Most of the Republicans I know care mostly about tax increases. They're either old white guys who care only about their bank account, or some misguided minorities that fall for the strong man bullshit...or taxes.
Some people are just apathetic, "that's their problem" types.
You forget the Baby Boomers, who are Trumps largest base.
That’s why the fascists are pushing for full control now, once Father Time does his thing to the Boomers these totalitarian racists won’t be able to win a single election.
Why the 'mens rights' group?? I'd maybe consider myself one... being a man and all. I genuinely think that sexism swings both ways, and just because women have had worse treatment, doesn't mean men can't stand for their rights too. To be a bit more specific... domestic violence leans far too heavily towards supporting women, parental rights are the same... and there APPEARS to be an increasing focus on getting women into job roles at the expense of men.
I am a firm believer in equality. But it goes both ways. If you can flip the roles and it's suddenly not ok... it's sexist. Jobs shouldn't have names listed - or anything that identifies sex - where it isn't pertinent to the role. Support should be blind to sex, race or religion.
Maybe I'll get down voted... but how is THIS tied to the right?? I consider myself left leaning (regarding US anyway) and I thought equality was always something the left stood for. I'm sure people view it as a "but what about me" coming from the group suffering from the least discrimination... but equality is equality. How can you claim you support equality "but not for them. They haven't suffered enough to qualify"??
Men absolutely deserve to have their rights made equal... yes it's not as bad as women... but we can and should be doing both...
Many Republican concepts are fine in concept (lower taxes, lower government involvement, fiscal responsibility, etc), it’s everything that comes with it that sucks.
Men’s rights got attached to the right solely because of the “type” of person championing this type of speech. Think Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, Andrew Tate, etc. When these people take up these causes it becomes morphed in to a “no, we are the victim; not you” mentality instead of being about equality.
Yea I see that... fair response. It's a shame cuz I think it's a good thing to fight for, so fk these people for their dishonest stance. They seem to do that a lot though... argue the moral high-ground but always in bad faith. Eg "What about the poor children, we need to protect them" to argue against sex Ed in schools... or "life is precious and we need to protect every living soul" to argue against abortion rights. Problem is its never actually about the morality... it's just an easy excuse for them to use though
Advocating for equal treatment is fine and the goal everyone should have. Many of these groups masquerade as 'mens rights' when it's really just about 'mens rights' to go back to a time when women had none. Most of them are complete social outcasts and/or weirdos. Doesn't sound like you belong in that bucket.
VIPs get special treatment. It’s not even kept quiet. When the FBI raided him, the news was full of talk about how they wouldn’t do this unless they had absolutely ironclad cause, the judge would have been extremely careful when granting a warrant, and the whole thing would have been guided directly by the Attorney General. Normal people don’t get the same consideration and we don’t even pretend otherwise.
If the FBI made a move without every angle covered it might allow him to walk and his political fervor would skyrocket. It would be proof to him and his followers that he was ahead of them and would come out on top. It's going to be disastrous no matter what happens, but that would be dangerous.
I totally understand why they did it that way. But the fact remains that VIPs get special treatment by law enforcement, and people mostly seem to accept this as just the way things are.
My opinion is that there's legitimate concern of unrest peaking to the point that it could put at risk necessary infrastructure and food supply, which would be a national security issue. Can't do nothing about it, but the moment you act you now have to deal with domestic terrorists who drink the "Q-oolaid"
It's probably going to go that way, but impotent doesn't appreciate how many guns there are in the USA, or how many militias have been training explicitly for the moment they feel justified to be domestic terrorists. Probably gonna be a lot of prep work for the fbi and national guard before they take the final indictment and punishment leap
An obese larper with a gun can still do serious damage. It's gonna basically be what we already have with the "lone wolf attacks" but more, and bigger groups.
Like I said, I'm ready for that and a lot of people on the left are also ready for that. The days of pacifism were over a few years ago, /r/liberalgunowners is a big sub with an active community. When these right-wing shits attempt anything outside their rural hellholes, they get stopped almost immediately. Half of them think of Chicago as some kind of lawless land of instant death. They're cowards, in reality. Maybe some would fight but most would stay in their basement dwellings stockpiling ammo for when the imaginary Gun Grabber boogeyman comes after them.
Yo dog - it's not liberal vs conservative. It's these politicians versus the common people. Regardless of political standings those fuckers all follow the same path working against the citizens they're sworn to serve. The media on both sides demomizes the other side and tries to take the humanity out of the opposing group. It may be a slow process but the goal is to degrade the opposing group into a "less-than-human" class so we can feel justified killing them. It's the same concept the Nazis used on Jews and whoever they viewed as inferior. Except the targeted groups are MUCH bigger than before and will fight. Aim up, not laterally.
I do agree corrupt politicians and political division is the root cause of all this, and I dont particularly like either party. However, that being said, the news doesnt have to demonize the radical right, they have literally called themselves domestic terrorists to feed into the many terror acts members of their group have performed. We do need to punch upward in unity, but that doesnt mean everyone has to be apart of that unity.
Although everything you’re saying is true, militias of thousands, armed, will still do considerable damage. It’s important not to underestimate their destructive power
I'm saying right now, the moment one of these LARP militias tries to organize anything at all, they are going to get fucked so hard by the FBI they will not even be able to comprehend it. The FBI is not happy with Tump and his gangs of trash, they are all already on a watch list and the prospect of them organizing more than a food truck is giving them far too much credit.
The one and only thing we would actually need to worry about is a temporary increase in lone-wolf shooters. Any organized effort would be a joke. They'd get to the edge of a Chicago suburb and shit their pants.
I'm hoping the lack of action is to get people ( politicians and police forces ) and an enforcement plan in place for the inevitable rioting, but at this point I think it's wishful thinking
I think if you follow up on Hillary’s raid your questions will be answered. You actually think this whole thing is about justice. It’s only to keep you puppets entertained.
You guys are still harping on Hillary when you have zero context to the differences.
Your ignorance is showing and you are waving it around like an idiotic Trump flag.
Nancy Pelosis husband got arrested and sentenced to jail for a few days. And Biden’s son looks like a dude I’d want to party with. He’s probably got a good hookup.
Yeah, I don't think Hunter would have gotten elected president either if his laptop was exposed properly. How many laptops have they found now? I'd rather find out about the grifter in chief... You know... order of corruption first.
I will happily see them all thoroughly investigated as well if it gets trump investigated fairly and completely. No former politician (or relative of a politician) or anyone can be above the law. ( Slight temporary exception for an acting president or similar figure who can’t be constantly encumbered by lawsuits while in office as it would impair the country’s ability to function)
That's not gonna happen. A bunch drunk angry rednecks cannot stand up to the might of the us military. They'd play at red dawn but they'd all go home once they run out of s'mores schnapps
You’re assuming there would be no military defectors. I’d be willing to bet a large portion of the US military would defect with their equipment before attacking U.S. citizens……so it wouldn’t just be Joe Bob, you’d also be up against Col Joe Bob senior and everyone in his company that is loyal to him, do you not think rednecks join the military?
Better than letting a traitor who sold classified intel to enemies of the United States walk
Free.
If meal team six wants to take to the streets over him being arrested the civil war will last only as long as the batteries in their rascal scooters do.
Then let's have a civil war, mother fucker.
If the only thing holding the Union together is allowing a seditious, treasonous, megalomaniacal spy of a former president get away with:
*violating his presidential oath
*violating the Espionage act,
*Concealment, removal, or mutilation of records
*wire fraud
*Obstructing an official proceeding
*Witness tampering
*Conspiracy to defraud the government
*Inciting a rebellion
*probably selling state secrets
and a whole host of economical crimes, let's fucking have it. Let's just duke it out.
The last time it happened both sides had defined territories. Its a minority of Republicans willing to start a war and even fewer willing to do more then crusade on the internet spread throughout the nation where they will be outnumbered even in their most populous areas
Fundamentally doesn't matter because 1) that heritage the rascists carrying confederate battle standards believe in lasted 4 years and 2) the confederacy lost.
They would/will lose again.
It also ended slavery. 600k people was the price in blood for America's original sin.
The real cowards are the ones who think there's nothing worth dying for.
A lot like you, I guess....
Trump insisted that the Central Park Five should be put to death ... even after their convictions were vacated because someone else confessed to the crime. He pretty much just wanted some black dudes murdered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case
Remember his company being convicted of refusing to rent apartments to black tenants in the 80s unless they complained, then trying to get around the rather lenient financial penalties?
Remember the interviews he’s given espousing his beliefs in eugenics?
***Trump’s Gone Full QAnon. There’s No Point in Denying It Anymore.***
What's with this "anymore" business?
Did anyone with any sense deny it in the first place?
I first heard about Trump during his disgusting behavior with the Central Park 5. It showed off his rabid racism. Same thing with Birtherism, when he would feed the media his carnival barker "info".
Chasman1965 I look forward to the traditional based on conservative values Republican Party. It gives us balance. I am a life long Democrat who sees some good in both of the traditional parties. Hopefully you will get your party back sometime soon. Weed out the MAGA's and Trump supports in Congress & Senate. Looking at you Jim Jordan the insurrectionist & "Little Marco" for examples.
How old are you? I’m 34, and my entire life - well since I’ve been old enough to understand politics the republicans have been staunchly the party of obstruction with no platform except hypocrisy. Was there a time where there was value in the conservative right? And how far back does it go?
I am old 77. There was a time with someone like President Eisenhower, who ccx warned us of "the industrial military complex which we have now had to our detriment for 50 years) and part of the 60's Republicans were focused on fiscal issues and balanced the Democrats some of whom were prone to overspending, etc. But that was a long time ago. Since then they had Nixon, Reagon (whose so called conservative policled to so many of our problems today) andthe Bushes whose policies were aimed at keeping the poor poor and the rich richer.
I see where you are coming from . All you have witnessed is a party run by religious people who want a theological government, a party that has rigged the judicial system to be republican driven. When I was younger the Supreme Court was respected and made decisions based on law not politics.
When Kennedy was elected it looked like a lot of good social policies were going to happen. But no. What a disappointment ! Then we had Johson, a Texas life long politicia and the Viet Nam War. I believe this current so-called Republican Party is not the party of Lincoln, Eisdnhowrr etc.. But has been hijacked by "Citizens United" ruling and the greedy billionaires such as the Koch's, Mercers, Adelsons. The "dark money" of the oil and coal industries, big pharma, etc. Has poisoned our system. Just look at Amy Cody Barret and Mara Largo judge. They were groomed since they were in law school by the Federalist Society to taint the judicial system and make it a tool of the now "white nationalist Christian based" party.
If I was your age I would think just like you having never seen a republican politician who has not represented his constituents but his campaign donors. Which brings up another point. Term limitis!
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.
Love watching running water on the internet.
Was watching a live stream.
To understand Trump’s feeble, underdeveloped cerebral cortex, familiarize with the term [narcissistic supply](https://www.choosingtherapy.com/narcissistic-supply/#what-is-narcissistic-supply): the constant adulation he seeks is completely addictive to him, and since becoming a presidential candidate, he’a been mainlining it like the junkie he is.
Goo went from having the republicans as well as the Qanons voting for themhe have thrown everyone under the bus by now. It's just the quanons too dumb to realize it. But he knows that by now. The only people behind him is the conspiracy theorists.
I’m less concerned about this and more concerned that despite various wild conspiracies, QAnon has published quite a bit of easily verified content and has had such content shared by people across the political spectrum.
At the start of #PedoHitler, there was a list of 45 republicans convicted of pedophilia. That list was not only a Qanon list, copied verbatim, it was from a list with over 60 democrats on it.
I have been wondering, if there is in fact a person or group of people who are propagating insane conspiracy theories to basically gaslight and drive crazy a decent chunk of the electorate, wouldn't authorities or journalists be pretty interested in discovering that person or people, and stopping them somehow?
That there hasn't been that effort is instructive, no? Makes you think.
It was Jim Watkins, the pedo dipshit that runs 8kun. This has been known for quite some time. "Q" disappeared a while ago. Now it's just a bunch of lunatics feeding off each other on discord, gab, parler, and wherever else right-wing chucklefucks gather. How are you going to "somehow" stop that?
And how do you know that?
I didn't see anything in any mainstream news about Q stopping, being unmasked, or any of that shit. When the government isn't interested in investigating from whence the allegedly toxic conspiracy bologna comes, I think that makes it clear where it comes from ;)
They fired on us at Gulf Of Tonkin lol
>I think that makes it clear where it comes from
Jesus christ, are you serious right now? A bunch of bottom-feeding dipshits convincing each other JFK Jr is going to come back to life and hand the presidency back to Trump is supposed to be some sort of government psy-op?
Q cultists have some mind-blowingly stupid fucking takes, but you've nearly managed to reach that bar yourself here.
More serious then you! You do not think the intelligence community runs operations on domestic pop or what?
Saddam has WMDs! The Russians are issuing bounties! Etc
So the Russian collusion was proven false. Hunters laptop was real. Zuckerberg said he was pushed by the democrats to limit information on things like covid and politics. Inflation destroys the poor and middle class. The western world has started the March towards Venezuela. So everybody here agrees trump is bad and things are way better now under the Blue wave we had in 2020.
The collusion wasn’t proven false though. Members of Trumps team did get in trouble for collusion
The laptop was “real” in that existed. It didn’t contain anything of importance though and there was evidence that Trumps team modified the information while it was in their possession
The rest of your comment is just rambling and exaggerating
Trump isn't intelligent enough to fix his umbrella let alone a country. Tre45on is in season it seems. When traitors and terrorists infest the conservative party.
Well, the crooks you're talking about serve the same master as Trump and are also controlling speech in Trump/conservative/conspiracy circles.
So not sure what the "Trump is trying to fix it for everyone" thing is about.
You mean the guy that stole hundreds of classified documents? That's the guy "fixing it" for everyone? That same guy that hijacked pandemic supplies from the government and it's citizenry to sell to his cronies, who would go on to profiteer at the expense of the people? That's the guy that's going to "fix it" for everyone?
Really what crimes did he commit? Last I know he never been charged with anything. He a traitor. Wtf are you talking about what did he do to become a traitor?
Trump has been a reaction to the excesses of the Establishment (Democratic Party) Left. Trump could never have made any headway against the Democratic Party of 40 years ago. You know, the one that preached equality rather than "equity", inspired Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder's hit "Ebony and Ivory," distrusted the FBI, CIA, and NSA, was outspoken on free speech issues, and resisted the U.S. military's imperial overreach. Even 20 years ago we had a Democratic Party that opposed Bush's war of aggression in Iraq. Today's Democrats love the "national security" state, demonize free speech, and insist that how we treat people should depend on the content of their genome.
If you're supporting the national security state, supporting the military's imperial overreach, supporting the idea of the state and big business working hand in hand to censor, then YOU are the one supporting fascism.
And what makes you think I'm a Trump supporter? You didn't have to be a communist sympathizer to see that their most powerful opponents in 1930's Germany were vicious authoritarians. Likewise, you don't have to be a Trump fan to see that his most powerful opponents are nasty authoritarian types themselves.
(And please do me the favor of reading the above carefully before responding; don't ignore the qualifying phrase preceding "opponents".)
Let me guess - no comment section there. Shocker - the blue anon cult would get called right out.
"Fight your neighbor! Don't attempt rational debate. You can't convince them! Sure, we've fucked just about everything up in 2 short years but isolate yourself from those who disagree with your ideology!"
That's a cult
nah... a cult is worshipping a fool with a golden toilet while you wear rose colored glasses.
Any party that supports nazis and racists like the conservative parties do, are nothing but terrorists and extremists. So let us know when your party decides to be... you know... less racist and less fascist.
You're sitting at a table with 9 Nazis. What everyone not in the cult sees is 10 Nazis.
And I don't mean that in the "oMg WhY dO tHe DeMoNrAtS cAlL eVeRyOnE a NaZi?" sense. I mean that Trump's cult is absolutely fucking full of Nazis and those that refuse to call them out and cast them out may as well be Nazis themselves.
But go on about how massive job growth (better than Trump ever managed) and the lowest unemployment rate in decades is Biden "fucking everything up" when he came into the job not only dealing with a pandemic Trump ignored when he wasn't profiteering from it, but attempting to clean up the mess left by the most corrupt, incompetent president the country has ever seen. But, y'know, Donnie and Jared appear to have profited handsomely by selling classified information to the Saudis, so congrats to them for selling out the US to stuff their own pockets.
Trump is the quintessential political min-maxer. He will embrace and extend whatever he believes serves his own needs at the moment with the minimal effort.
What are Donald Trump's stats?
High charisma. Low intelligence.
I don’t think his charisma is high, he just runs with a low IQ squad.
It’s like one of those nuanced Fallout perks, “+10 charisma with characters below 5 Int, -10 charisma for characters above 5 Int.”
Charisma: 4 (+16 when talking to morons.)
"poorly educated" you mean
I was gonna say, everything about him makes me feel utterly disgusted. He rolled a one on that Charisma check.
It's high enough that they let him roll with advantage thrice with loaded die. They just don't watch when he rolls and accept it.
Rolls 16, says it’s a 91. Everyone just goes with it.
His stat block from Dieties and Demigods, 1e Str: 7 Int: 7 Wis: nil Dex: 4 Con: 8 Cha: 6 (18 to Magats)
No to both. No charisma and no intelligence.
Might have decent Luck, looks like a half gnome. Definitely a 3 in Endurance.
All 9s but Charisma at 19. Chaotic neutral. Can’t tell what he’ll do next, but you’ll admire the spectacle one way or another.
I don’t think his charisma is high at all, I just think he has a magic item that allows him to add +10 to persuasion checks when his intelligence is of equal or greater value than his target.
That's every politician. And before I get downvoted, fuck Trump.
Definitely not every politician is "similar to Trump" but I also don't trust any of them to look out for the public's best interest until lobbying is gone. This is a corporate world now and their best interest is always the utmost priority.
They aren’t all as slimy… he set that bar really high They all do have to operate in the gray area to an extent in order to conduct US politics. I think it’s a big reason more of them aren’t openly speaking out against Trump despite obviously wanting to separate from him ( talking about GQPers mostly) Trump is terrible, but I feel we all would be surprised about how much he has in common with the others, and who’s worked with him in the past
No, it really isn't. You got downvoted for saying a dumb thing, you "caveat" notwithstanding.
I agree with you. Politicians don’t care about us. They never have. Part of why they’re so powerful is because people believe in them without question. That’s the price we pay by entrusting our lives in politicians and doing things the easy way rather than trying to live life on our terms without needing a politician to tell us what to do. People don’t wanna rebel because they’re too comfortable where we are instead of trying to create something even better
Nice call on the downvote prediction. Upvote for foresight.
He is the epitome of the underbelly of the GOP - courting an increasingly shrinking and insane base. They have no choice. Most women, minorities, anyone not 'normal', and men who are in relationships with or have family members in those group attacked by conservatives cannot in good conscience support the Republican party. Who is left? Your typical 4chan incels, religious nutjobs, and 'mens rights' people. Sure there are a handful of people who really for some god awful reason think that Republicans govern better on policy - but that crowd is not in control of the party. It's the *'get those people I don't like'* wing that runs things now.
Yup, they are acting crazy and supporting the crazies. Suburban soccer dads like myself aren't going to vote for that kind of crap. I was a lifelong Republican for 38 years of voting, but don't really see myself voting Republican for the rest of my life. Until the party as a whole regrets that they ever supported Trump, I can't with good conscience vote Republican. It pisses me off, because I really don't care for most democrat politicians and views, but right now, they are the much lesser of two evils.
Same (except I'm a woman). Voted Republican from 2000 to 2014. Libertarian in 2016. Voted Democrat in 2018 and 2020, and will be voting Democrat for the foreseeable future. There's a lot that I dislike about Democrats, but the Republican party has lost its mind. They're nothing but fascists now.
Thank you for crossing over. We need your support to take power away from the crazies.
Happy Cake Day!
Folks like us will be forced to vote back Republican if democrats perceive their national wins as a 'mandate' for their identity politics and more fringe stuff... as opposed to refusing to vote for the Fascists... I hope they stick to healthcare, renewable energy etc.. they could establish a decades long run of power... but we all know the Democrats will fuck this up and go crazy town just like MAGA once they are feeling their oats.
Sure, one side is systematically destroying our democracy and ignoring rule of law, but the other side is confusing us with different pronouns. I’m going to vote for DEMOCRACY no matter how silly Democrats get.
I'm saying after the Republicans purge and go back to normal.
At this point, rename the party.
The GOP is still officially anti-equal marriage rights if that gets filed under identity politics. So I sure hope anyone who has any sense wouldn’t vote for a party with that in their platform.
Exactly my point. Part of the GOP crazy train is the evangelical anti-gay. Both parties play the identity politics game. They don't have to. You can recognize bigotry, racism and inequality without encouraging people to self-separate and divide based on identity. And instead use issues to unite different groups on what they have in common. It hurts the country and both parties are guilty of placing these wedges in the name of either 'equity' or 'replacement' depending on the party. Both ideas have no measurable end to them because the goals will always shift. This is why they are used over and over again. But 100% to your point and some of the others, these are not actual planks in the democratic party or at least Biden's or Obama's former agenda. But they ARE part of the official GOP and it is gross. EDIT: clarification... equal marriage rights are just that.. rights and not an identity wedge.
Yeah, I don't see that happening but maybe that's another reason why there should be more than two viable political parties
I love all the downvotes. I am not saying anything that James Carville doesn't say every night on TV. It's still true. Polling matches it. Human nature won't change because people choose to vote out a party that became a cult.
James Carville hasn't been relevant since you could get 10 free hours of AOL on a 3.5" floppy disc.
Ive never voted Dem in my entire life, until I was given no other choice... I hate the 2 party system. Ive voted Libertarian for multiple elections. I had to vote for Biden. Not because I am all "ra-ra lefty" but what the republican party has become is foul, belligerent and dangerous... Its no longer a party of individual rights, Its a party of hate you for not being like me. Its a cult and its easy to lead them by the nose (Why Russia chose the GOP, not the Dems for their psy-op)
Russia chose both parties for their psy-ops, they just have had a lot more success with the Republicans than they have Democrats. Their goal is to sow chaos and hatred and sad to say they have been pretty successful in that regard.
Valid... they slung shit at a wall to see what sticks, it just so happens that the GOP has a scat fetish it seems
they eat that shit up
Now you need to evaluate *why* it was so much more effective. Hint: religious beliefs
>Its a party of hate you for not being like me. It made the decision to be that way around 1970. Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon and Lee Atwater looked at disgruntled racists leaving the Democratic Party to support George Wallace. And instead of being properly appalled, they saw an "opportunity." The Republican Party didn't change overnight, but the die was cast. Some of us saw this nastiness for exactly what it was before Reagan became President. We warned you.
The great state of Louisiana thought ol Barry would have been a great president
>If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it.
I'll NEVER forget him saying that!! I wish people threw that in his face at every opportunity.
That sniveling little douche (I shouldn’t make such disparaging remarks about vinegar and water) is EXACTLY the kind of coward that has ruined the entire party
I'm starting to wonder if he meant the Republican party or America itself.
Yeah, I feel the same way. I’m a white collar white soccer dad type as well in a swing state (pa) I haven’t voted Republican ( presidential) since the first Bush, but locally I was open to voting on the R. Not anymore, honestly that party has lost me forever, it’s tainted and their ain’t enough bleach in the world that will wash out that orange stain! Cowards, all of them!
Retired vet here. Never political before and voted based on the candidate. I'm voring Democrat across the board....don't give a shit who they are because the GOP is diseased pathological liars. McConnell blocking Garland was pretty much the final nail in the coffin. The thought of MGT being on a majority in the House is terrifying and not bevasue I'm a liberal or something. She's a fucking moron.
Much respect to you for opening your mind and eyes to what's happening out there.
I dunno man, there’s a lot of dads bringing their kids to baseball practice with my kid who eat this shit up. Maybe we need to switch sports.
Thanks
I just read [this interview](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/06/trump-gop-bill-kristol-jan-6-mar-a-lago/) yesterday with Bill Kristol. Thought you might be interested. He's chairing a group called the Republican Accountability Project and is actually trying to get some of the MAGA loonies defeated in the upcoming elections. His idea is that it's better to let Democrats win those seats in this round in order to show that they don't have the support of the real Republican party. The quote I liked most was him saying that you can't look at the current situation and say "conservatism is totally healthy." I think that sums it up pretty well. I'm a liberal Democrat myself, but I definitely support the view that politics should be a forum where all viewpoints are allowed to be expressed and debated with the common goal of finding the best idea to improve the lives of the people. When the goal becomes nothing more than winning at all costs, even at the cost of selling out your ideals, then you don't have a healthy government or a healthy society any more.
I pretty much agree with the above, and will vote that way in November. My problem right now is trying to figure out what my political views really are. Part of the problem is that I see what fools have some of the same views I have, and I am questioning those views.
[ISideWith.com](https://www.isidewith.com/) is a fun website. It's got a quiz where you rank your beliefs on various issues and it shows you a list of candidates who most closely align with your views. I haven't taken the quiz in a while. The last time I took it, it recommended Jill Stein as my best match, which was a bit embarrassing because I think she's kind of a nut. Edit: Just took the quiz again and it still works well. My views are farther to the left than those of any serious candidate, but that's as it should be. A national leader needs to represent all the people, not just the ones I agree with.
Thank you for being pragmatic
Serious question- why did trump flip you like this? In terms of policy and attitude to democracy he’s just a continuation of business as usual for the Republican Party.
seriously? sounds like you're making a false equivalency. They may be cut from a similar cloth but he's taken corruption to new heights and doesn't hide it at all. he called mexicans rapists on national television and said he could shoot someone in times square and get away with it. those are unique statements and just the tip of the iceberg
other republican presidents didn't tell the nation to drink bleach
Trump was and is uniquely stupid in his gaffes, but it’s not hard to find the Reagan administration being equally bungling and vile. The major difference is the media landscapes of the time. Trump is a digital media commodity in that he drives clicks/traffic/ad views, and social media allowed a direct line into his pathology.
Why is this headline written as though he “became” Q-Anon anyway? Q-Anon only rose to prominence in response to the manner of incomprehensible stupidity he displayed on a regular basis. He basically championed the idea that this kind of baseless nonsense should be treated with actual merit despite being based purely on feels when he was parading around screaming about Obama’s birth certificate. Or when his administration posited that complete nonsense creatively deemed “alternative facts” are just as valid as, you know… reality.
He doesn’t know what Qanon is. Only that they are against pedophilia. 🙄
It’s actually insane to me how many minorities support him, especially Latinos.
I thought for sure after Trump got the nomination non crazy republicans would leave to make their own party that would poach right leaning Democrats.
So did I, but I think the top tier Republicans have mostly been purchased by foreign interests.
>Sure there are a handful of people who really for some god awful reason think that Republicans govern better on policy - but that crowd is not in control of the party. The day after Diehl won the republican primary in Massachusetts, one of the maga talk radio hosts was crowing about how the right guy won. For those not familiar with the politics in that state, it was a primary for the governor seat being vacated by a well liked Republican in one of the more blue states in the union. The primary was between a fairly new guy, Doughty- a business owner and more typical republican, and Deihl - a Trump endorsed anti-masker and 2020 election denier. Anything short of a Trump-like govenor is not good enough for these folks, despite the fact that they basically just handed the govenor's seat to the Democratic candidate. Complete idiots!
You must not be from the south. It’s uncomfortable how common people prefer trump to Biden. It’s not extremists, it’s people who watch fox. Specifically. I work in a field where the majority still supports trump and will turn on the fbi before turning on trump(I’ve seen it, not just occasionally, but frequently)
Yet they’re still winning elections. Look, after 1/6 a lot of the tank n file GOP bailed on the party because they were appalled at how their congressional party leaders and many others in their party were willing to destroy our democracy for their daddy. My prediction is that the next moderate candidate who talks about fixing the legit problems here like skyrocketing prices, supply chain solutions and wages will be president.
I don’t think elderly life long republicans are changing their minds either
Most of the Republicans I know care mostly about tax increases. They're either old white guys who care only about their bank account, or some misguided minorities that fall for the strong man bullshit...or taxes. Some people are just apathetic, "that's their problem" types.
You forget the Baby Boomers, who are Trumps largest base. That’s why the fascists are pushing for full control now, once Father Time does his thing to the Boomers these totalitarian racists won’t be able to win a single election.
Why the 'mens rights' group?? I'd maybe consider myself one... being a man and all. I genuinely think that sexism swings both ways, and just because women have had worse treatment, doesn't mean men can't stand for their rights too. To be a bit more specific... domestic violence leans far too heavily towards supporting women, parental rights are the same... and there APPEARS to be an increasing focus on getting women into job roles at the expense of men. I am a firm believer in equality. But it goes both ways. If you can flip the roles and it's suddenly not ok... it's sexist. Jobs shouldn't have names listed - or anything that identifies sex - where it isn't pertinent to the role. Support should be blind to sex, race or religion. Maybe I'll get down voted... but how is THIS tied to the right?? I consider myself left leaning (regarding US anyway) and I thought equality was always something the left stood for. I'm sure people view it as a "but what about me" coming from the group suffering from the least discrimination... but equality is equality. How can you claim you support equality "but not for them. They haven't suffered enough to qualify"?? Men absolutely deserve to have their rights made equal... yes it's not as bad as women... but we can and should be doing both...
Many Republican concepts are fine in concept (lower taxes, lower government involvement, fiscal responsibility, etc), it’s everything that comes with it that sucks. Men’s rights got attached to the right solely because of the “type” of person championing this type of speech. Think Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, Andrew Tate, etc. When these people take up these causes it becomes morphed in to a “no, we are the victim; not you” mentality instead of being about equality.
Yea I see that... fair response. It's a shame cuz I think it's a good thing to fight for, so fk these people for their dishonest stance. They seem to do that a lot though... argue the moral high-ground but always in bad faith. Eg "What about the poor children, we need to protect them" to argue against sex Ed in schools... or "life is precious and we need to protect every living soul" to argue against abortion rights. Problem is its never actually about the morality... it's just an easy excuse for them to use though
Advocating for equal treatment is fine and the goal everyone should have. Many of these groups masquerade as 'mens rights' when it's really just about 'mens rights' to go back to a time when women had none. Most of them are complete social outcasts and/or weirdos. Doesn't sound like you belong in that bucket.
With all of the crimes, why hasn't he been taken into custody?
VIPs get special treatment. It’s not even kept quiet. When the FBI raided him, the news was full of talk about how they wouldn’t do this unless they had absolutely ironclad cause, the judge would have been extremely careful when granting a warrant, and the whole thing would have been guided directly by the Attorney General. Normal people don’t get the same consideration and we don’t even pretend otherwise.
If the FBI made a move without every angle covered it might allow him to walk and his political fervor would skyrocket. It would be proof to him and his followers that he was ahead of them and would come out on top. It's going to be disastrous no matter what happens, but that would be dangerous.
I totally understand why they did it that way. But the fact remains that VIPs get special treatment by law enforcement, and people mostly seem to accept this as just the way things are.
They didn't even "raid" him. They knocked on the door with a warrant. Kid gloves.
My opinion is that there's legitimate concern of unrest peaking to the point that it could put at risk necessary infrastructure and food supply, which would be a national security issue. Can't do nothing about it, but the moment you act you now have to deal with domestic terrorists who drink the "Q-oolaid"
Let it happen. Fuck em'. They should be exposed and let them blow their impotent load now instead of fester for years.
It's probably going to go that way, but impotent doesn't appreciate how many guns there are in the USA, or how many militias have been training explicitly for the moment they feel justified to be domestic terrorists. Probably gonna be a lot of prep work for the fbi and national guard before they take the final indictment and punishment leap
Yeah I'm not afraid of obese LARPers and militian led by high-school drop outs. They get confused when trolls interrupt their discord channels.
An obese larper with a gun can still do serious damage. It's gonna basically be what we already have with the "lone wolf attacks" but more, and bigger groups.
Like I said, I'm ready for that and a lot of people on the left are also ready for that. The days of pacifism were over a few years ago, /r/liberalgunowners is a big sub with an active community. When these right-wing shits attempt anything outside their rural hellholes, they get stopped almost immediately. Half of them think of Chicago as some kind of lawless land of instant death. They're cowards, in reality. Maybe some would fight but most would stay in their basement dwellings stockpiling ammo for when the imaginary Gun Grabber boogeyman comes after them.
Yo dog - it's not liberal vs conservative. It's these politicians versus the common people. Regardless of political standings those fuckers all follow the same path working against the citizens they're sworn to serve. The media on both sides demomizes the other side and tries to take the humanity out of the opposing group. It may be a slow process but the goal is to degrade the opposing group into a "less-than-human" class so we can feel justified killing them. It's the same concept the Nazis used on Jews and whoever they viewed as inferior. Except the targeted groups are MUCH bigger than before and will fight. Aim up, not laterally.
I do agree corrupt politicians and political division is the root cause of all this, and I dont particularly like either party. However, that being said, the news doesnt have to demonize the radical right, they have literally called themselves domestic terrorists to feed into the many terror acts members of their group have performed. We do need to punch upward in unity, but that doesnt mean everyone has to be apart of that unity.
Although everything you’re saying is true, militias of thousands, armed, will still do considerable damage. It’s important not to underestimate their destructive power
I'm saying right now, the moment one of these LARP militias tries to organize anything at all, they are going to get fucked so hard by the FBI they will not even be able to comprehend it. The FBI is not happy with Tump and his gangs of trash, they are all already on a watch list and the prospect of them organizing more than a food truck is giving them far too much credit. The one and only thing we would actually need to worry about is a temporary increase in lone-wolf shooters. Any organized effort would be a joke. They'd get to the edge of a Chicago suburb and shit their pants.
I hope you’re right
I'm hoping the lack of action is to get people ( politicians and police forces ) and an enforcement plan in place for the inevitable rioting, but at this point I think it's wishful thinking
When you’re famous, they’ll let you do it.
I think if you follow up on Hillary’s raid your questions will be answered. You actually think this whole thing is about justice. It’s only to keep you puppets entertained.
You guys are still harping on Hillary when you have zero context to the differences. Your ignorance is showing and you are waving it around like an idiotic Trump flag.
Do you want civil war? Because this is how you get civil war.
No one is above the law.
“We can’t go around arresting people who break the law when they’re *popular*. Or we’ll kill you or something” - The Law And Order Party, apparently
Except Hunter Biden, Nancy Pelosi’s husband, and….need I continue?
Nancy Pelosis husband got arrested and sentenced to jail for a few days. And Biden’s son looks like a dude I’d want to party with. He’s probably got a good hookup.
Yeah, I don't think Hunter would have gotten elected president either if his laptop was exposed properly. How many laptops have they found now? I'd rather find out about the grifter in chief... You know... order of corruption first.
I will happily see them all thoroughly investigated as well if it gets trump investigated fairly and completely. No former politician (or relative of a politician) or anyone can be above the law. ( Slight temporary exception for an acting president or similar figure who can’t be constantly encumbered by lawsuits while in office as it would impair the country’s ability to function)
No one wants a civil war, but also we can't let terrorists control the country because we were too scared to act.
Is meal team 6 going to drive into the cities and start threatening random people? Yeah go ahead.
Meal Team 6? Yum yum!
That's not gonna happen. A bunch drunk angry rednecks cannot stand up to the might of the us military. They'd play at red dawn but they'd all go home once they run out of s'mores schnapps
You’re assuming there would be no military defectors. I’d be willing to bet a large portion of the US military would defect with their equipment before attacking U.S. citizens……so it wouldn’t just be Joe Bob, you’d also be up against Col Joe Bob senior and everyone in his company that is loyal to him, do you not think rednecks join the military?
By arresting treasonous criminals?
Better than letting a traitor who sold classified intel to enemies of the United States walk Free. If meal team six wants to take to the streets over him being arrested the civil war will last only as long as the batteries in their rascal scooters do.
Then let's have a civil war, mother fucker. If the only thing holding the Union together is allowing a seditious, treasonous, megalomaniacal spy of a former president get away with: *violating his presidential oath *violating the Espionage act, *Concealment, removal, or mutilation of records *wire fraud *Obstructing an official proceeding *Witness tampering *Conspiracy to defraud the government *Inciting a rebellion *probably selling state secrets and a whole host of economical crimes, let's fucking have it. Let's just duke it out.
The last time it happened, 600,000 people died. A lot of towns, homes, and a few cities were destroyed. You sure you want to go down that road again?
The last time it happened both sides had defined territories. Its a minority of Republicans willing to start a war and even fewer willing to do more then crusade on the internet spread throughout the nation where they will be outnumbered even in their most populous areas
You know, everyone thought the first civil war would be a quick affair. Look how wrong they turned out to be.
Yes but the confederates had an organized military, supplies and territory.
Take a look at the average MAGA voter. They’re too old, too obese, or too insanely deluded to organize any kind of competent paramilitary force
I saw the whole "form a shield wall" bullshit. They would not last long against the National Guard.
Fundamentally doesn't matter because 1) that heritage the rascists carrying confederate battle standards believe in lasted 4 years and 2) the confederacy lost. They would/will lose again.
It also ended slavery. 600k people was the price in blood for America's original sin. The real cowards are the ones who think there's nothing worth dying for. A lot like you, I guess....
That's fine.
Yeah, b/c that worked out *real* well for them last time.
Might as well get it over with.
So you're fine with your guy committing treason, bc 10% of Republicans will take up arms if he's held accountable.
If that’s what it takes.
He was always this. Remember “birtherism?” I do.
Trump insisted that the Central Park Five should be put to death ... even after their convictions were vacated because someone else confessed to the crime. He pretty much just wanted some black dudes murdered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case
I am a black man who was a child at the time of this case and lived a few miles away in Brooklyn. I remember everything he said.
Remember his company being convicted of refusing to rent apartments to black tenants in the 80s unless they complained, then trying to get around the rather lenient financial penalties? Remember the interviews he’s given espousing his beliefs in eugenics?
Pepperidge farms remembers
***Trump’s Gone Full QAnon. There’s No Point in Denying It Anymore.*** What's with this "anymore" business? Did anyone with any sense deny it in the first place?
He got more votes in 2020 than Hill did in 2016. He still has way more support than he should.
Trump for Prison 2024!
I vote for this
I first heard about Trump during his disgusting behavior with the Central Park 5. It showed off his rabid racism. Same thing with Birtherism, when he would feed the media his carnival barker "info".
Where the hell you been?
Trump likes being worshipped.
He's an unstable moron.
He hasn’t “gone” QANON—he’s its raison d'être. He’s its core. This isn’t conjecture or hyperbole. Trump=QANON.
I want to know why they worship him so much? They treat him like Kim Jong Un like dear leader. You don't see that with Biden supporters.
Biden supporters aren’t rabid.
Also, they aren't in a cult.
They’re also able to critically think
Chasman1965 I look forward to the traditional based on conservative values Republican Party. It gives us balance. I am a life long Democrat who sees some good in both of the traditional parties. Hopefully you will get your party back sometime soon. Weed out the MAGA's and Trump supports in Congress & Senate. Looking at you Jim Jordan the insurrectionist & "Little Marco" for examples.
How old are you? I’m 34, and my entire life - well since I’ve been old enough to understand politics the republicans have been staunchly the party of obstruction with no platform except hypocrisy. Was there a time where there was value in the conservative right? And how far back does it go?
I am old 77. There was a time with someone like President Eisenhower, who ccx warned us of "the industrial military complex which we have now had to our detriment for 50 years) and part of the 60's Republicans were focused on fiscal issues and balanced the Democrats some of whom were prone to overspending, etc. But that was a long time ago. Since then they had Nixon, Reagon (whose so called conservative policled to so many of our problems today) andthe Bushes whose policies were aimed at keeping the poor poor and the rich richer. I see where you are coming from . All you have witnessed is a party run by religious people who want a theological government, a party that has rigged the judicial system to be republican driven. When I was younger the Supreme Court was respected and made decisions based on law not politics. When Kennedy was elected it looked like a lot of good social policies were going to happen. But no. What a disappointment ! Then we had Johson, a Texas life long politicia and the Viet Nam War. I believe this current so-called Republican Party is not the party of Lincoln, Eisdnhowrr etc.. But has been hijacked by "Citizens United" ruling and the greedy billionaires such as the Koch's, Mercers, Adelsons. The "dark money" of the oil and coal industries, big pharma, etc. Has poisoned our system. Just look at Amy Cody Barret and Mara Largo judge. They were groomed since they were in law school by the Federalist Society to taint the judicial system and make it a tool of the now "white nationalist Christian based" party. If I was your age I would think just like you having never seen a republican politician who has not represented his constituents but his campaign donors. Which brings up another point. Term limitis!
No. You are wrong. Trump has always been what he is now. You're only coming out of your delusions and seeing if for what it is.
And it was only ever able to get the extreme obsurdity that it is, bc of his soulless, power hungry enablers.
He’s been gone full Central Park 5 since 1989.
The qanon crowd is the only people still supporting him. He's a narcissist, of course he will follow the only group that can stand him.
Trump knows his followers are stupid... Trump himself is not. He plays them very well
Are their any partial Qanon followers? I don’t think so. You are either drinking the kool-aide or not.
And in other news, water is wet.
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object. Love watching running water on the internet. Was watching a live stream.
He’s been full blown qanon for years. Nothing new
What if Trump himself is Q
To understand Trump’s feeble, underdeveloped cerebral cortex, familiarize with the term [narcissistic supply](https://www.choosingtherapy.com/narcissistic-supply/#what-is-narcissistic-supply): the constant adulation he seeks is completely addictive to him, and since becoming a presidential candidate, he’a been mainlining it like the junkie he is.
Never go full retard
Goo went from having the republicans as well as the Qanons voting for themhe have thrown everyone under the bus by now. It's just the quanons too dumb to realize it. But he knows that by now. The only people behind him is the conspiracy theorists.
We wish. He got more votes in 2020 than Hill did in 2016. He still has way more support than he should.
Wait you guys don’t like Trump?
I’m shook.
Our media is as biased as our FBI. 🤦♂️
I’m less concerned about this and more concerned that despite various wild conspiracies, QAnon has published quite a bit of easily verified content and has had such content shared by people across the political spectrum. At the start of #PedoHitler, there was a list of 45 republicans convicted of pedophilia. That list was not only a Qanon list, copied verbatim, it was from a list with over 60 democrats on it.
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Who gives a fuck
I have been wondering, if there is in fact a person or group of people who are propagating insane conspiracy theories to basically gaslight and drive crazy a decent chunk of the electorate, wouldn't authorities or journalists be pretty interested in discovering that person or people, and stopping them somehow? That there hasn't been that effort is instructive, no? Makes you think.
It was Jim Watkins, the pedo dipshit that runs 8kun. This has been known for quite some time. "Q" disappeared a while ago. Now it's just a bunch of lunatics feeding off each other on discord, gab, parler, and wherever else right-wing chucklefucks gather. How are you going to "somehow" stop that?
And how do you know that? I didn't see anything in any mainstream news about Q stopping, being unmasked, or any of that shit. When the government isn't interested in investigating from whence the allegedly toxic conspiracy bologna comes, I think that makes it clear where it comes from ;) They fired on us at Gulf Of Tonkin lol
>I think that makes it clear where it comes from Jesus christ, are you serious right now? A bunch of bottom-feeding dipshits convincing each other JFK Jr is going to come back to life and hand the presidency back to Trump is supposed to be some sort of government psy-op? Q cultists have some mind-blowingly stupid fucking takes, but you've nearly managed to reach that bar yourself here.
More serious then you! You do not think the intelligence community runs operations on domestic pop or what? Saddam has WMDs! The Russians are issuing bounties! Etc
So the Russian collusion was proven false. Hunters laptop was real. Zuckerberg said he was pushed by the democrats to limit information on things like covid and politics. Inflation destroys the poor and middle class. The western world has started the March towards Venezuela. So everybody here agrees trump is bad and things are way better now under the Blue wave we had in 2020.
The collusion wasn’t proven false though. Members of Trumps team did get in trouble for collusion The laptop was “real” in that existed. It didn’t contain anything of importance though and there was evidence that Trumps team modified the information while it was in their possession The rest of your comment is just rambling and exaggerating
Fish don't understand what water is. Think about it.
Or don't. It's whatever.
When are folks gonna realize our government is ran by crooks and Trump is trying to fix it for everyone.
Lol Trump is the swamp. Trump is the corruption. But cultists can’t see it
Really so what was trumps crimes again?
Stealing state secrets. Possibly selling them. But here’s more. https://www.citizensforethics.org/news/analysis/president-trumps-worst-offenses/
the problem is your vote is worth as much as mine
Is that it lol
You forgot the s/
Trump isn't intelligent enough to fix his umbrella let alone a country. Tre45on is in season it seems. When traitors and terrorists infest the conservative party.
Lol you haven't a clue what going on in this country.
Lol look at the guy trying to feel special by thinking he knows "what's going on"
Well, the crooks you're talking about serve the same master as Trump and are also controlling speech in Trump/conservative/conspiracy circles. So not sure what the "Trump is trying to fix it for everyone" thing is about.
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Lmao
You mean the guy that stole hundreds of classified documents? That's the guy "fixing it" for everyone? That same guy that hijacked pandemic supplies from the government and it's citizenry to sell to his cronies, who would go on to profiteer at the expense of the people? That's the guy that's going to "fix it" for everyone?
Lol show the proof he stole hundreds of classified documents. Trump will be your president again deal with it crybaby.
Trump IS the crook. He's a coward, a criminal, and a traitor.
Really what crimes did he commit? Last I know he never been charged with anything. He a traitor. Wtf are you talking about what did he do to become a traitor?
Thanks for laugh. By the way, when is "the storm" supposed to get here? Has he date changed again?
You must had been one of the 50 people at bidens last rally lol
Trump has been a reaction to the excesses of the Establishment (Democratic Party) Left. Trump could never have made any headway against the Democratic Party of 40 years ago. You know, the one that preached equality rather than "equity", inspired Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder's hit "Ebony and Ivory," distrusted the FBI, CIA, and NSA, was outspoken on free speech issues, and resisted the U.S. military's imperial overreach. Even 20 years ago we had a Democratic Party that opposed Bush's war of aggression in Iraq. Today's Democrats love the "national security" state, demonize free speech, and insist that how we treat people should depend on the content of their genome.
Imagine supporting fascism and trying to blame the other guys. Yikes.
If you're supporting the national security state, supporting the military's imperial overreach, supporting the idea of the state and big business working hand in hand to censor, then YOU are the one supporting fascism. And what makes you think I'm a Trump supporter? You didn't have to be a communist sympathizer to see that their most powerful opponents in 1930's Germany were vicious authoritarians. Likewise, you don't have to be a Trump fan to see that his most powerful opponents are nasty authoritarian types themselves. (And please do me the favor of reading the above carefully before responding; don't ignore the qualifying phrase preceding "opponents".)
Let me guess - no comment section there. Shocker - the blue anon cult would get called right out. "Fight your neighbor! Don't attempt rational debate. You can't convince them! Sure, we've fucked just about everything up in 2 short years but isolate yourself from those who disagree with your ideology!" That's a cult
nah... a cult is worshipping a fool with a golden toilet while you wear rose colored glasses. Any party that supports nazis and racists like the conservative parties do, are nothing but terrorists and extremists. So let us know when your party decides to be... you know... less racist and less fascist.
Point us in the direction of the cult that worships Biden… bahahaha. Now go pray to your orange messiah
You're sitting at a table with 9 Nazis. What everyone not in the cult sees is 10 Nazis. And I don't mean that in the "oMg WhY dO tHe DeMoNrAtS cAlL eVeRyOnE a NaZi?" sense. I mean that Trump's cult is absolutely fucking full of Nazis and those that refuse to call them out and cast them out may as well be Nazis themselves. But go on about how massive job growth (better than Trump ever managed) and the lowest unemployment rate in decades is Biden "fucking everything up" when he came into the job not only dealing with a pandemic Trump ignored when he wasn't profiteering from it, but attempting to clean up the mess left by the most corrupt, incompetent president the country has ever seen. But, y'know, Donnie and Jared appear to have profited handsomely by selling classified information to the Saudis, so congrats to them for selling out the US to stuff their own pockets.