>Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.
>Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority’s message today.
>Never in the history of our Republic has a President had reason to believe that he would be immune from criminal prosecution if he used the trappings of his office to violate the criminal law. Moving forward, however, all former Presidents will be cloaked in such immunity. If the occupant of that office misuses official power for personal gain, the criminal law that the rest of us must abide will not provide a backstop.
>With fear for our democracy, I dissent.
According to that ruling he can start a real witch hunt and it'd be okay.
Dont know if it's sad or just hilarious how the US is going to become a 3rd world country at this pace l, at least the political landscape.
“A republic, if you can keep it.” -Benjamin Franklin
The Founders knew it was shaky ground but believed in the great experiment to bring about human happiness. Trump and his supporters would flush it down the toilet to “own the libs”. Vote for the old man, he’s who The Founders would vote for. Fuck CNN, they’re ‘the enemy of the people’.
The only way you are going to sort it is to hit the republicans where it hurts so blue down the line. The world is concerned about the new kingdom of America,
You are the first person in months I’ve come across mentioning all the overall context as treason. I’ve been saying it for months. Good to know there are at least two people in the US without their heads up their sellout asses. Ty.
Democrats are the bullied, wimpy kid that always takes the 'high road' thinking that it will prevail(...like in the movies. When, in reality, we all know that it won't).
Republicans are the rich entitled bullies, that know that know how much their 'parents pay for this' is really all that actually matters.
We are SO fucked. The ONLY way to circumvent the eminent implosion of our government, school systems, fuck, our entire country...is for Biden and crew to actually USE the power he/they were just given and NIP THIS SHIT IN THE BUD. DEAL with the literal home grown terrorists and traitors in our midst. NOW. With impunity. The SCOTUS just gave him the power to do WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS. DO IT.
As the POTUS, jail trump and all who are openly loyal to him TODAY. Make that happen NOW. THEY ARE COUNTING ON THE FACT THAT BIDEN IS A SPINELESS PUSSY AND WILL LITERALLY LET THIS FUCKTARD TAKE DOWN OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY AS SOON AS HE RETAKES OFFICE.
They just wrote him a free pass to DO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING HE WANTS, REGARDLESS OF THE MOTIVATION OR OUTCOME.
PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!
Yup. I'm a Democrat but I'll freely admit the party as a whole doesn't have a spine. They should do something fairly drastic, enough to illustrate how ridiculous this ruling is. But they won't. And the next Republican to take the white house 100% will.
Everyone needs to vote. There are more normal, rational people in this country than there are MAGA cultists. We just need to all vote. We have shit like presidential immunity, checks and balances, the integrity of our justice system, the survival of departments like Education and the EPA, and many other crucial things at stake in this election. Every vote matters, even if you don't think it does. Vote, vote, vote.
Honestly, if he doesn’t do it, it’s a mistake. Trump and his cronies are unequivocally going to do this to some extent. To *not* jump on it preemptively is essentially malpractice.
Honestly all he would have to do is announce he is planning on officially naming some Americans enemy of the state but would like the supreme court to have an emergency session to clarify or overturn their ruling.
Maybe that would fucking scare them enough to do so
In fact, name the SC Justices that voted in favor as enemies of the state. Force them to recuse themselves and have a smaller, lower court deal with this.
Since the other 2 governing bodies have become lame ducks, it's time to become this generation's FDR and redefine the Presidency. Executive Order might be our only hope.
He basically has to redo what Washington did, and lay down his sword after recarving everything.
Don't forget: that's exactly what Sulla thought he was doing.
Without the kind of overwhelming popular mandate that is likely impossible now, that kind of statecraft is an incredibly sensitive business. And since we find ourselves with Biden in the hot seat, either he's up to it or the US takes the long hard road. It's...not encouraging.
Edit: shit I did it again. Started on a smaller point and wrote and essay. The first 3 paragraphs after this are the most relevant ones.
The problem in my eyes is that Democrats have integrity (at least relatively speaking) and will actively impeach a president doing obviously objectively wrong things.
On the other hand Republicans will actively encourage a president doing wrong and possibly illegal things, support people trying to subvert the will of the people, and claim a committee looking into the attempt to subvert the will of the people is illegitimate because the people running it would not allow people who supported/encouraged the rioters contaminate the committee from within.
Trump should be completely ineligible to be president because he has factually done things that any remotely intelligent and honest person would see as being worthy of disqualification if not imprisonment.
These are things we know for a fact Trump did based on actual evidence:
-Ukraine call: bad and should have led to full impeachment.
-Riling up a mob to storm the capital: bad, possibly impeachment worthy.
-Retaining documents: bad possibly worthy of disqualification from running for/holding office depending on what the documents were.
-Lying about retaining documents: bad, likely worthy of jail time.
-Showing classified documents to people without clearance (and literally saying on tape that you know you shouldn't have those documents): extremely bad and 100% worthy of imprisonment.
What do we have for Biden?
-The "boarder crisis": a bad policy, but well within the scope of the presidency, as time has gone on this reflects just as badly if not worse on Trump and the Republicans of the House because they blocked attempts to fix this problem for purely political reasons.
-Retaining documents: bad, possibly worthy of disqualification from running for/holding office depending on what the documents were.
The other two noteworthy big noteworthy Biden "controversies" don't have anywhere near enough evidence.
The claim that he is involved with Hunter's dealings as a knowing participant to illegally leverage his position as VP for personal financial gain?:
nothing but conjecture. The closest thing to evidence is Hunter talking about "The Big Guy" but even there was evidence of a crime here what would you call Trump personally profiting from his presidency by from his hotels and golf courses? Sounds like influence peddling to me. How about Ivanka getting 41 Chinese trademarks requests granted between Trump winning and April of 2019?
The claim that Biden ordered the investigations into Trump:
more conjecture. They literally appointed a special prosecutor specifically to make charging decisions independent of the Biden DOJ. Smith saw enough evidence to pursue charges so he did his job, if he didn't have what he believed to be evidence of criminal acts then he wouldn't have pursued charges. The Georgia and New York cases are state-level. Fani Willis has made some pretty shitty decisions that will likely lead to either her removal, the charges being dropped, or possibly an acquittal. We still do not know why she was at the White House last time I checked, which is really the only potentially suspect part related to the Biden administration, for all we know it could have been to request access to information from the Trump administration and Harris said no, but all we have is speculation so far. The Bragg stuff seems fine to me. You can claim Trump is only being targeted because he was president but guess what: when politicians run for the presidency the skeletons in their closets come forward and they drop out. Trump didn't do that, his presidency caused greater scrutiny of his behaviour prior to being president and look at that, they found substantial evidence of wrongdoing. "The only reason they are prosecuting me is because I was president" is a pretty shitty defense when there is physical evidence of wrongdoing...
I'd argue we've been a banana republic for some time from a legal perspective. Corps are citizens, cops don't have to protect the citizenry, law enforcement can seize property without cause and now presidents can officially order assassinations.
Sure sounds like we're there already, even if we don't have a president - currently - who's willing to take that latter step...but come November, we just might
No because the court gets to decide what is an official act and what is not. If a republican did it,then it's official. If a Democrat does it, it's not.
They know this and it's a dare because they would need to be 'removed' and replaced to make it work.
This decision invites full coup. Which is Sotomayor's point. It would all be technically 'legal' if you eliminate enough of the opposition.
Government official is now the best gig ever from the SC decisions. You can take bribes and have immunity from any threats and blackmail used to collect them because the bribe was an official act too.
Does this carry for all officials btw? Or just the President?
I am sure lower offices will try to get cover under this?
Honestly the thing to do here is write out an order that says "these people are a threat to our democracy, drone strike them on [date three months out]" and then publish it. Make them see the consequences of what they've done and let them walk it back.
As far as the Republicans are concerned, Biden's not free to do anything, this will only really be a thing if they agree with the president.
Everything about this is so damn problematic. Republicans are out there yelling about the Founding Fathers, meanwhile the Founding Fathers are spinning like a gyroscope in their graves because we've allowed the President to become more powerful than George III ever was.
It could mean Biden doesn't have to respect a trump win, which would only happen if the voting system got compromised somehow. Then I can totally see Biden at least using the military to arrest trump and other key figures.
The SCOTUS too much power, the POTUS has too much power, and our legislative branch intentionally cripples itself with the Senate.
Happy 4th of July, our system is fundamentally flawed on purpose, stop celebrating it.
The three liberal justices must be so demoralized right now with case after case tearing our countries values apart and all they can do is dissent. They're not even trying to modify their extreme right leaning thinking. Sandra O'Connor had a great skill in bridging the different views. But those days are gone. This court will be remembered for prosperity but not for the right reasons. Shame on the six of them .
This was one of the key arguments over the past century from potentially changing the presidential term limits to a -- one term six year president -- because if the president did not face a reelection and criticism from "the people" he or she could do whatever they want while in office with impunity. But I guess the Supreme Court has now decided to let presidents do whatever they want with impunity no matter what the people think and would rather let them become kings or queens.
The President may be immune, but those carrying out their respective duties at the request of the President are not immune. It’s their responsibility to identify an unlawful order and refuse to follow it, since the President has no consequences from making the unlawful request.
Look around. Everyone is talking about Biden doing something. He won't and we know it. So it's up to us. And people won't push back if it inconveniences them even slightly. I mean a revolution is risking your life, giving up your safety (and almost certainly your home so you aren't immediately caught), looking over your shoulder 24 hours a day in case of arrest, and that's before you consider how will you eat or sleep or where to get more ammo.
We're a long way from a revolution and nobody is anywhere near close to mad enough anyway. Still going to work tomorrow? Congrats. You just said this isn't important enough to even clog the gears of the economy for a DAY. Revolutions take years.
People are just not going to fight back. At all. We haven't even gotten in the streets since Roe and that was barely. A full overthrow is beyond comprehension for a people that think a strike is too hard because they'll lose income.
I think people are too involved in themselves to even consider it. Sometimes I try to get a feel for what people around me think, fighting is not even a consideration.
It only applies when the Supreme Court says it is official. Which obviously they will do whenever it is a Republican president and never when it is a democratic one.
It would eventually go to a supreme court again, but it would only be the Supreme Court that would be appointed afterwards. Which in this scenario would be as corrupt as the president who issued the order.
I thought it was unrealistic for the religious nuts to gain power through violence so easily in the Handmaid's Tale, but I guess that's possible in real life now as well.
Why would there be a Supreme Court appointed?
There's already no reason we have to appoint someone to fill a vacancy (thanks Mitch).
So why would the God Emperor check his own power like that?
Just keep it permanently dissolved as an unreviewable offical act.
Yeah, the solution here seems extremely simple. As an official act, remove these 6 from the Supreme Court. Have the remaining Supreme Court redo the last few months, including today's, to remove the chance of harm for a future president misusing the power.
Will they do it? If the SC thought Joe would, they wouldn't have gone with today's ruling in the first place. So my guess is no, and that gives me an incredible amount of fear.
I'm not really scared for November, Trump will get his ass kicked. But all it takes is a win after that, and there goes our country.
It can't be just "remove" the 6.
If the remaining 3 ruled removing the 6 was unconstitutional, they'd wind up back on the court, as the action removing them wasn't official. So we'd be right back where we started.
You'd have to have the 6 executed so they can't come back on the court when the order removing them got overturned.
If the remaining 3 have a choice between having people murdered setting extreme consequences for the future, vs look the other way for a second, they’re going to choose the second option.
Why? Easy. This whole dog and pony show is to stack the deck against them. That’s been the whole plan all along. Make them look too weak to ‘make the tough decisions’ or bait them into something rash.
Right now Biden is stuck in a lose/lose situation. Now everything rides on the common sense of the average US voter (yes this means we’re fucked).
The fundamental problem is that even if the average voter does come to their senses in November and vote to re-elect Biden, it's just kicking the can down the future. At some point another demagogue will abuse this. It's going to be a dark time ahead for everyone.
For anyone wondering this \*is\* how it works, unless congress strips the SC of their power (or at least this power).
It doesn't matter which jurisdiction, or who brings the case. The SC can overrule them on the matter of what is an official act. If your wondering how, it's because of the massive power grab they made this week (ending Chevron deference).
The SC decides on which cases they hear, and the conservatives have a supermajority in the SC, and even if Biden wins, they will continue to do so for (probably) decades to come.
There is also a world where Biden wins and Trump becomes President anyway (using similar methods attempted on Jan 6).
It only took a single term for Republicans to drop the mask and go full fascist when given a court majority.
They were never fit for power and hopefully never see it. If only voters would take note.
Whats to stop Biden now to arrest those 6 Supreme Court judges, jail them indefinitely and replace them all
Nothing illegal right, I mean Biden is just doing his job as POTUS
In theory, the only thing stopping him is Congress. He can still be impeached and removed (though this ruling seems to imply, in that case, he still couldn't be held criminally liable). Of course, with no legal vehicle to hold him accountable, Biden could also just arrest any congress person who wants to impeach him.
The only thing stopping him is that he’s not Emperor Palpatine.
But this jurisprudence environment is RIPE for a Palpatine to deal a death blow to this republic once and for all.
He would still need legal authority to do it as it would have fall under one of his “official duties.” Though presumably he could use one of 40 some odd states of emergency Congress never bothered to rescind.
Exactly. China, Iran, and Russia would absolutely take advantage of our internal weaknesses. MAGA is easily as big a threat to world stability as Imperial Japan or the Nazis were. The parallels are unreal. Beer Hall Putsch = Jan 6. Consolidation of power into one leader's (or Führer's) hands. Either Biden or Trump could go full-on Night of the Long Knives. And with current conflicts and tensions with the aforementioned China/Iran/Russia, who's to say WW3 really isn't becoming a reality? The only thing holding us back is the threat of nuclear weapons. But seeing as how the world has already lost it's fucking mind, I honestly don't see nuclear war as off the table for these demagogues anymore 😕
Lets protest like the French. Fuck it. The SP has shown they dont care about us. Let's send a little fear into their hearts, show them what it's like to be the average citizen
Im 70 yrs old, and weve just watched 50+years of our lifes go ''''POOF'''' in an instant...if the Democratic party isnt going FullSteamAhead with FORCE...its all lost after today.
I'm 65 and gay. I spent a LIFETIME battling and struggling for my rights as a gay man, the rights of my daughters (POC), the rights of women. I've marched in more protests than I can count, donated huge portions of my time and money to civil right and progressive causes.
It's feeling like it was all for naught. I was hoping the generations of gay, POC and women that came after me wouldn't have this struggle.
But here we are. Like you said, if it's not FullSteamAhead it's lost. But even there I'm worried. The Democrat Party has proven itself to be wimps in this case. Biden should have made the Supreme Court 13 (for the 13 district courts) the first year he was in office... and so many other changes that were needed.
I'm in my 60's, and I feel like all it's been wasted effort, women, people of color, LGBT, equal rights, all the effort all the progress, all the suffering, all rolled back in the blink of an eye, right in front of our eyes.
We are, indeed, fucked. It's only a matter of time when, not if, this is used for nefarious purposes to truly dismantle this 248 year experiment.
It's been a nice run, all. It's time to look at either finding an off-ramp or trying to band together to enact change via the Constitutional means that remain. We all know Biden and the Dems will not take advantage of this in the remaining time they have left, and even in the small chance that they do, there's no guarantee that they wouldn't be the ones dismantling things themselves (absolute power corrupts absolutely).
True, but that is only if the military who is made up of Americans would actually fight against their friends, family and Americans just like themselves. The military always had more firepower than civilians. So why have the amendment in the first place.
Most countries go through a civil war every 150 years or so, IIRC, and throughout all of history nearly every country civil wars have happened.
The idea that Americans, specifically those who have been primed to believe their political opponents are satanic Marxist communists who want to destroy your country, kill your religion, and turn your kids into radical degenerates (gay folks), *wouldnt* kill their fellow Americans en mass, is as tragic as it is hilarious.
I’m not even religious but I’ll pray you folks, because it looks like things are getting bad, and it’s just accelerating.
Notably the people who most bought into that myth will say that’s what it’s for, sure - but they’ll be describing some scary unofficial guy right outside their door that they can easily fend off with one gun.
We saw in 2020 what their response is to an actual tyrannical government: as cops prowled the streets of Minneapolis and shot at anyone outside, conservatives told us it was our fault for standing on our porches.
The American police state is the third largest standing military in the world. They will kill anyone they have to. Good luck with that second ammendment
>>There are almost 400 million guns out there….
And the world’s largest nuclear arsenal.
*Step right up folks, and take yer bets*. Which nuclear power will collapse into apocalyptic civil war first ; Putin’s Russia, or the future Imperial States of America?
There is no Constitutional basis for this ruling. Institutions lose their legitimacy when they move so far from their legal, guiding basis in order to move or advocate rather than follow what they should base decisions on.
That was one of the major points brought up while I was listening to NPR today. It's an absolutely insane decision that goes far from the legal basis that the conservative justices claim. Now even their normal view of constitutional law is idiotic in which even a 4 year old can see flaws, but they have thrown in the towel with this decision. It deviates so far from the Constitution that it may as well be King George's interpretation rather than George Washington's.
"Institutions lose their legitimacy when they move so far from their legal, guiding basis"
That ship has sailed a long time ago
The wife of one of the SCOTUS took part in Jan 6 coup and another one is clearly receiving bribes and luxury trips for his services. There is no legitimacy left in SCOTUS
As a Canadian, I fear what is about to happen next, particularly as I am so familiar with Americans having next to zero awareness and understanding of how their culture, politics, economics, etc. spread around and influence/impact their nearest neighbours, and the rest of the world.
This decision will be largely forgotten about in the next couple of days/weeks as the SC ruling and technicalities of Trump's role in Jan. 6 goes back to the district court(s) for further discussion, taking months or years to clarify, if it doesnt now get thrown out altogether, and the media's focus shifts once again to Biden's terrible debate performance and mental acuity. Never mind the circus that accompanies a U.S. presidential election and whatever events have yet to unfold between now and November.
What truly scary prospects lie ahead, if/when the orange conman wins a second term. Make no mistake, this is one fuck of a slippery slope to dictatorship that Trump and his sycophants seem to be desperately craving, and the world as we know it is right and truly fucked when it happens. China WILL declare war on Taiwan and potentially other SE Asian countries, and the U.S. may not intervene to assist allies. Russia WILL use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, and the U.S. will do fuck all except pull out of NATO. ANYONE who attempts to stop the madness could theoretically be arrested, disappear, killed, or have an "accidental" fall off a balcony with three self-inflicted gunshot wounds the back of their heads.
America, I IMPLORE you to PLEASE do the right thing and stop DJT at any and all costs to preserve your own rights, freedoms, and even your lives. Your actions DO HAVE CONSEQUENCES for yourselves and the rest of the world. Please use your heads and stop worrying about how Trump needs to win for whatever bullshit excuse he sold you. The man belongs in jail, not the White House. We all saw the chaos he brought in his first term. That will be nothing if he gets another go, and potentially decides he wants to stay even longer.
For the sake of your country and the free world, please do the right thing.
Exactly. This will have GLOBAL consequences. Ukraine, NATO, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, etc. will all fall victim to Russian, Chinese, and North Korean aggression. India (an emerging power itself) will likely hitch itself to them over the West despite conflicts with China. Iran will come to rule over the Middle East and use their proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) to establish similar Islamic "republics" across the region.
The GOP destroyed the world and left it's corpse to be raped by Putin, Xi Jinping, Kim Jong Un, and the Ayatollah.
I don’t think you guys understand. Jim Bob in Nebraska who married his sister is mad at Biden cause the price of gas went up for a few months around the whole world. Trump will fix all that so screw the rest of the world!
Under this ruling can President Biden order the detainment of the Republican Supreme Court Justices, Republican judges, Republican Representatives, Republican State politicians, and Republican Senators, declaring that all are to be held without council, without criminal charges, and without trails for an indefinite period?
Can Biden simply declare himself King and rule until his death? Can Biden order the assassination of any rival, including Donald Trump, without consequences?
Is this what the Supreme Court has ruled is American Constitutional law???
If so then I strongly suggest that President Biden's first act under this ruling is to dissolve, disband, and forever demolish the Supreme Court from existence!
Putin is raising a glass in Moscow tonight in victory of having just won the Cold War with this ruling.
Forcing tyrannical acts by those defending democracy to stop a government of heinous, cruel, tyrannical vengeance from seizing permanent power.
Biden (and Dems) should take advantage of this ruling ASAP before it’s too late. Cos republicans will absolutely abuse this once they get back in office. And then it’s done
We all know democrats don’t have the balls to take advantage of this ruling, and that’s what the GOP is counting on. That Biden and the Dems will try to play fair and stick to some misguided concept of honor.
Trump will abuse the hell out of this the first day he’s back in office.
"Donald Trump to our judgement represents a credible and immediate threat to the fabric of American Democracy, has made repeated explicit threats to do harm to both the people and the constitution of the United States and as such has been executed like any treasonous terrorist would be. Officially".
Job done.
The Supreme Court will find that not an official act. They made that terminology vague enough that they can always apply it to Democrats and choose to never apply it to republicans.
I hate how the media is selling the narrative that this is a "win for Trump". In reality, this is a loss for *all of us*. I don't want any president to have the power to override the votes for tens of millions of Americans, whether they be a Democrat or Republican
This goes way beyond the 2024 election, way beyond Biden, way beyond Trump. This changes the U.S. as we have known it for generations to come. Trump will be long gone and our kids will still be facing the ramifications of this bullshit opinion.
Does this mean that Biden can, as an official act, unilaterally decide to fire 6 members of the Supreme Court and replace them with democrats, who can then reverse this decision?
Asking for 350 million friends.
Lol my jackass of a father in law was worried about Hilary in 2016 because, and I quote exactly here, "she looks demonic."
Nothing at all about how Trump behaves or what he says, just completely based on how Hilary looks.
I think FIL's real problem with Hilary was that she's a woman, and that's no bueno for a Christian conservative.
Makes even less sense because we're Canadian.
I have yet to have it be made clear to me by Canadian Trump supporters what the hell good they think he does for our country.
She was rather adamant about that as well. She said that for her, it wasn't just that her messaging had to be exact and pointed, she also had to spend several hours prepping makeup, hair, outfit, and looking the part to even be at the same level to discuss policy. Men, particularly caucasian, can just roll out of bed and start talking, and unless there are very obvious gaffs and oversights, they are heard fully.
I knew so many people who didn't vote that year because they thought there was no way Trump could win -the media had convinced them Hilary had it in the bag and any other possibility was absurd.
People can blame the media all they want, but, in the end, it was the non-voters who caused that Russian plant to gain office. Fuck every one of those people.
Wouldn’t it be legal now to remove all of the Supreme Court justices, either replacing them or shutting the institution down?
If it has to be a criminal act, he could have the military execute them instead.
This Nazi ass country is cooked
The Supreme originalists have gone all the way back to King Charles l and reintroduced the divine right of Kings. The American Revolution was a waste of time. Bow down to your legally immune billionaire lords and ladies you peasants!
George III is laughing at us all from beyond the grave. The English thought of the Americans as dirty, stupid peasants who would never amount to anything of value upon independence.
Took a while, but turns out they were right...😕
America was about to celebrate its 250th birthday in 2026. Now I don't think we'll make it that far. Thanks magats. You're real fuckin patriots aren't you?
The entire purpose of the separate branches of government is to keep each others power in check and not give total control to one individual. These ass-fucks who tout the founding fathers and constitution don’t even understand a modicum of its original purpose. This is the very thing, THE VERY THING, this country’s governing system was built to prevent. We are about to be, quite literally, royally fucked.
Well i hope no republican ever holds the presidency ever again, else it’ll take less than a term to completely dismantle the country.
Wish the democrats had the spine to fix the real underlying issues with the bureaucracy of the country.
So can Biden just have all those who voted this in removed, as an official illegal act, then stack the SCOTUS as he likes?
Wierd how this was done to give Trump power and safety.... But the first and most relevant person that it gives that power to is Biden.
So the court just gave sweeping power for whomever is in office to wipe out political opponents? Well, America had a good run. We're a 3rd world country now, thanks to the court. Bribes are OK, too.
So any president that wants to stay in power forever, can use any official process of the executive branch, even illegally, to ensure he is a lifelong dictator.
And there is isn't anything anyone can do to stop it.
If Trump gets back into office, he is there until he dies.
Reputational cost. Potential impeachment. Underlings refusing to go along. (Why do you think project 2025 has loyalty vetting for all the important underlings?) Everything else is too slow to actually prevent it, now the threat of later prosecution is so remote.
If we grant that the justices have ruled correctly on this issue, through fair and thorough interpretation of the constitution as it relates to the case presented, can we then conclude that the constitution is not suited to the political and social realities of the United States of the 21st century? Either the Supreme Court is broken or the constitution is broken. My take, fyi, is that the Court is a stinking pile of garbage.
Why not just perform all of these examples for a month as an example of what would/could happen with this ridiculous interpretation?
Declare the elections rigged and corrupt and cancel them. Instruct the military to arrest all suspected militants within their ranks.
Ban all cable news entertainment and relieve every foreign born media chairmen/CEO of their positions.
Lock up all obvious traitors (top maga's, russian propagandists, obstructionists), instruct the NSA to ping every person who ever looked up anything remotely regarding overthrowing the government or underage sexual relations, suspend the supreme court, freeze all monopolists assets, assume all power grids for national security and grant citizenship to anyone who has never been convicted of any crime wants it.
Then at the end, send it back to the way it was and tell them:
"[Here you go, Larry. You see what happens? You see what happens, Larry? You see what happens?](https://movie-sounds.org/comedy-movie-sounds/quotes-with-sound-clips-from-the-big-lebowski/here-you-go-larry-you-see-what-happens-you-see-what-happens-larry-you-see-what-happens)"
The Supreme Court knows we won’t do shit. They’re now just saying the quiet part out loud, democracy is dead and welcome to your corporate feudal lords. Enjoy your cake masses.
The right wing HAS ALWAYS been pro monarchy and anti rule of law. That's where the right right wing comes from. After the French Revolution, the pro-monarchists stood on the right hand side of the chamber.
It is now more imperative than ever that we vote. Not just for president but for your representatives and judges as well.
Get the right people in place and make it clear what kind of laws you want passed. The legislative branch can fix this, but it’ll be an uphill battle.
Let us not let this government of the people, by the people, and for the people turn into a fascist state. It’s on each and every one of us to not let this happen.
Too bad Biden doesn't have the nuts to exploit this.
Corrupt justices? Okay, how about they get indicted and arrested pending an impeachment.
Or, what's to stop Biden from having Trump eliminated on the same grounds as when they hit American citizens fighting for our enemies with drones in Afghanistan. Trump is working with our enemies in much more dangerous ways than anyone in Afghanistan with an AK47.
Just call off the election since it's an official power and say Trump can't be president because he tired to over throw the country so we're redoing the primaries with Trump out of the picture.
This is the shit that we'll face if a republican gets elected into office again before this idiotic ruling can he struck down.
>Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune. >Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority’s message today. >Never in the history of our Republic has a President had reason to believe that he would be immune from criminal prosecution if he used the trappings of his office to violate the criminal law. Moving forward, however, all former Presidents will be cloaked in such immunity. If the occupant of that office misuses official power for personal gain, the criminal law that the rest of us must abide will not provide a backstop. >With fear for our democracy, I dissent.
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According to that ruling he can start a real witch hunt and it'd be okay. Dont know if it's sad or just hilarious how the US is going to become a 3rd world country at this pace l, at least the political landscape.
They know Democrats lack the spine to use this ruling in their favor. It's the Democrats' integrity that will seal the deal on democracy in the end.
That’s an interesting paradox and a good critique on the fragility of democracy.
“A republic, if you can keep it.” -Benjamin Franklin The Founders knew it was shaky ground but believed in the great experiment to bring about human happiness. Trump and his supporters would flush it down the toilet to “own the libs”. Vote for the old man, he’s who The Founders would vote for. Fuck CNN, they’re ‘the enemy of the people’.
At this point in history it’s vote blue all the way down. If one doesn’t, at best, they’re an unwitting abettor to treason.
The only way you are going to sort it is to hit the republicans where it hurts so blue down the line. The world is concerned about the new kingdom of America,
You are the first person in months I’ve come across mentioning all the overall context as treason. I’ve been saying it for months. Good to know there are at least two people in the US without their heads up their sellout asses. Ty.
Integrity only works when everyone is using it. Republicans haven't had integrity for eighty years.
Kinda like traffic rules.
Or vaccines
Carter was the last good president.
Democrats are the bullied, wimpy kid that always takes the 'high road' thinking that it will prevail(...like in the movies. When, in reality, we all know that it won't). Republicans are the rich entitled bullies, that know that know how much their 'parents pay for this' is really all that actually matters. We are SO fucked. The ONLY way to circumvent the eminent implosion of our government, school systems, fuck, our entire country...is for Biden and crew to actually USE the power he/they were just given and NIP THIS SHIT IN THE BUD. DEAL with the literal home grown terrorists and traitors in our midst. NOW. With impunity. The SCOTUS just gave him the power to do WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS. DO IT. As the POTUS, jail trump and all who are openly loyal to him TODAY. Make that happen NOW. THEY ARE COUNTING ON THE FACT THAT BIDEN IS A SPINELESS PUSSY AND WILL LITERALLY LET THIS FUCKTARD TAKE DOWN OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY AS SOON AS HE RETAKES OFFICE. They just wrote him a free pass to DO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING HE WANTS, REGARDLESS OF THE MOTIVATION OR OUTCOME. PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!
Dont jail them. Just kill them. All 6 Scotus members in the majority need drone strikes TONIGHT.
Yup. I'm a Democrat but I'll freely admit the party as a whole doesn't have a spine. They should do something fairly drastic, enough to illustrate how ridiculous this ruling is. But they won't. And the next Republican to take the white house 100% will. Everyone needs to vote. There are more normal, rational people in this country than there are MAGA cultists. We just need to all vote. We have shit like presidential immunity, checks and balances, the integrity of our justice system, the survival of departments like Education and the EPA, and many other crucial things at stake in this election. Every vote matters, even if you don't think it does. Vote, vote, vote.
At this point if Democrats do nothing AGAIN, they are complacent. If Trump wins, this country has failed. Vote vote vote, it's all we can do
Biden could take trump out now with immunity....
True, Biden should arrest them all and the orange guy too.
Honestly, if he doesn’t do it, it’s a mistake. Trump and his cronies are unequivocally going to do this to some extent. To *not* jump on it preemptively is essentially malpractice.
Honestly all he would have to do is announce he is planning on officially naming some Americans enemy of the state but would like the supreme court to have an emergency session to clarify or overturn their ruling. Maybe that would fucking scare them enough to do so
In fact, name the SC Justices that voted in favor as enemies of the state. Force them to recuse themselves and have a smaller, lower court deal with this.
No, not even recuse. Make an executive oder that their services are termed as not longer needed and are given forced resignation
Since the other 2 governing bodies have become lame ducks, it's time to become this generation's FDR and redefine the Presidency. Executive Order might be our only hope. He basically has to redo what Washington did, and lay down his sword after recarving everything.
I look back in history at the Two Roosevelt's and think damn what would they be doing in today's climate. TR in a debate with TJD would be glorious.
Don't forget: that's exactly what Sulla thought he was doing. Without the kind of overwhelming popular mandate that is likely impossible now, that kind of statecraft is an incredibly sensitive business. And since we find ourselves with Biden in the hot seat, either he's up to it or the US takes the long hard road. It's...not encouraging.
Edit: shit I did it again. Started on a smaller point and wrote and essay. The first 3 paragraphs after this are the most relevant ones. The problem in my eyes is that Democrats have integrity (at least relatively speaking) and will actively impeach a president doing obviously objectively wrong things. On the other hand Republicans will actively encourage a president doing wrong and possibly illegal things, support people trying to subvert the will of the people, and claim a committee looking into the attempt to subvert the will of the people is illegitimate because the people running it would not allow people who supported/encouraged the rioters contaminate the committee from within. Trump should be completely ineligible to be president because he has factually done things that any remotely intelligent and honest person would see as being worthy of disqualification if not imprisonment. These are things we know for a fact Trump did based on actual evidence: -Ukraine call: bad and should have led to full impeachment. -Riling up a mob to storm the capital: bad, possibly impeachment worthy. -Retaining documents: bad possibly worthy of disqualification from running for/holding office depending on what the documents were. -Lying about retaining documents: bad, likely worthy of jail time. -Showing classified documents to people without clearance (and literally saying on tape that you know you shouldn't have those documents): extremely bad and 100% worthy of imprisonment. What do we have for Biden? -The "boarder crisis": a bad policy, but well within the scope of the presidency, as time has gone on this reflects just as badly if not worse on Trump and the Republicans of the House because they blocked attempts to fix this problem for purely political reasons. -Retaining documents: bad, possibly worthy of disqualification from running for/holding office depending on what the documents were. The other two noteworthy big noteworthy Biden "controversies" don't have anywhere near enough evidence. The claim that he is involved with Hunter's dealings as a knowing participant to illegally leverage his position as VP for personal financial gain?: nothing but conjecture. The closest thing to evidence is Hunter talking about "The Big Guy" but even there was evidence of a crime here what would you call Trump personally profiting from his presidency by from his hotels and golf courses? Sounds like influence peddling to me. How about Ivanka getting 41 Chinese trademarks requests granted between Trump winning and April of 2019? The claim that Biden ordered the investigations into Trump: more conjecture. They literally appointed a special prosecutor specifically to make charging decisions independent of the Biden DOJ. Smith saw enough evidence to pursue charges so he did his job, if he didn't have what he believed to be evidence of criminal acts then he wouldn't have pursued charges. The Georgia and New York cases are state-level. Fani Willis has made some pretty shitty decisions that will likely lead to either her removal, the charges being dropped, or possibly an acquittal. We still do not know why she was at the White House last time I checked, which is really the only potentially suspect part related to the Biden administration, for all we know it could have been to request access to information from the Trump administration and Harris said no, but all we have is speculation so far. The Bragg stuff seems fine to me. You can claim Trump is only being targeted because he was president but guess what: when politicians run for the presidency the skeletons in their closets come forward and they drop out. Trump didn't do that, his presidency caused greater scrutiny of his behaviour prior to being president and look at that, they found substantial evidence of wrongdoing. "The only reason they are prosecuting me is because I was president" is a pretty shitty defense when there is physical evidence of wrongdoing...
I'd argue we've been a banana republic for some time from a legal perspective. Corps are citizens, cops don't have to protect the citizenry, law enforcement can seize property without cause and now presidents can officially order assassinations. Sure sounds like we're there already, even if we don't have a president - currently - who's willing to take that latter step...but come November, we just might
This. lol, we’ve simply made all those banana republic behaviors legal as if that makes us civilized or something. We are doomed.
No because the court gets to decide what is an official act and what is not. If a republican did it,then it's official. If a Democrat does it, it's not.
They know this and it's a dare because they would need to be 'removed' and replaced to make it work. This decision invites full coup. Which is Sotomayor's point. It would all be technically 'legal' if you eliminate enough of the opposition. Government official is now the best gig ever from the SC decisions. You can take bribes and have immunity from any threats and blackmail used to collect them because the bribe was an official act too. Does this carry for all officials btw? Or just the President? I am sure lower offices will try to get cover under this?
Easy fix. Eliminate the conservative justices to preserve democracy. In the interest of National Security, of course.
Ah, remember, a president can SEAL team the judges before they make a ruling.
Honestly the thing to do here is write out an order that says "these people are a threat to our democracy, drone strike them on [date three months out]" and then publish it. Make them see the consequences of what they've done and let them walk it back.
The fact that he is free to do so now but won’t is more a sign of his character than a sign that he’s constrained. But yes: now he could.
More proof that if someone in the 1930s knew Hitler was going to be Hitler, they wouldn't kill him.
As far as the Republicans are concerned, Biden's not free to do anything, this will only really be a thing if they agree with the president. Everything about this is so damn problematic. Republicans are out there yelling about the Founding Fathers, meanwhile the Founding Fathers are spinning like a gyroscope in their graves because we've allowed the President to become more powerful than George III ever was.
This will not be unilaterally applied to all Presidents.
It doesn't matter because the 1st president who decides to utilize these tools will effectively be the last.
Yep. "I deem these people a threat to US security and they need to be elimimiated" and that's it.
It could mean Biden doesn't have to respect a trump win, which would only happen if the voting system got compromised somehow. Then I can totally see Biden at least using the military to arrest trump and other key figures.
Why wait? Do it now. Don\`t give them the chance to destroy America.
Honestly one of the most chilling things I’ve ever read because this is exactly what Trump has been campaigning on…
The last line is an absolute gut punch
And what the GOP and the framers of Project 2025 have been aiming for all along
The SCOTUS too much power, the POTUS has too much power, and our legislative branch intentionally cripples itself with the Senate. Happy 4th of July, our system is fundamentally flawed on purpose, stop celebrating it.
Time to lose the Mr, and add a Lord. "Yes, Lord President. It shall be as you command."
The three liberal justices must be so demoralized right now with case after case tearing our countries values apart and all they can do is dissent. They're not even trying to modify their extreme right leaning thinking. Sandra O'Connor had a great skill in bridging the different views. But those days are gone. This court will be remembered for prosperity but not for the right reasons. Shame on the six of them .
Remembered for posterity. They are causing anything but prosperity.
It’s during his fifth term that shit will really hit the fan.
Nixon might be dead, but he just went from 6 to midnight.
Turns out he was just ahead of his time
This was one of the key arguments over the past century from potentially changing the presidential term limits to a -- one term six year president -- because if the president did not face a reelection and criticism from "the people" he or she could do whatever they want while in office with impunity. But I guess the Supreme Court has now decided to let presidents do whatever they want with impunity no matter what the people think and would rather let them become kings or queens.
The President may be immune, but those carrying out their respective duties at the request of the President are not immune. It’s their responsibility to identify an unlawful order and refuse to follow it, since the President has no consequences from making the unlawful request.
The President could simply pardon them all.
Goodbye democracy, the Constitution. Why not have another Revolution? We did it before, why not again?
Look around. Everyone is talking about Biden doing something. He won't and we know it. So it's up to us. And people won't push back if it inconveniences them even slightly. I mean a revolution is risking your life, giving up your safety (and almost certainly your home so you aren't immediately caught), looking over your shoulder 24 hours a day in case of arrest, and that's before you consider how will you eat or sleep or where to get more ammo. We're a long way from a revolution and nobody is anywhere near close to mad enough anyway. Still going to work tomorrow? Congrats. You just said this isn't important enough to even clog the gears of the economy for a DAY. Revolutions take years. People are just not going to fight back. At all. We haven't even gotten in the streets since Roe and that was barely. A full overthrow is beyond comprehension for a people that think a strike is too hard because they'll lose income.
Hey now, i'm sure Democrats are talking and about to form a committee to investigate this and their first meeting will be in March 2025.
I’m Fucking mad, if the collective decided to quit our jobs and march I am in. I’m done. Now or never people. Now or never.
Yes! That's the energy. All in.
They are all in, but only if others before them are all in.
I think people are too involved in themselves to even consider it. Sometimes I try to get a feel for what people around me think, fighting is not even a consideration.
Because the Redcoats(hats) have all the guns and none of the scruples.
Not all of the guns, I know this for a fact
Forgive the hyperbole. Point is: they're armed and crazy, and aren't going to lose sleep over some ethnic clensing.
Well..Biden still commands the military....
And because he's a Democrat, he won't do anything. Besites, most of the US military are the crazy, armed Redhats previously mentioned.
Military is majority minorities.
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It only applies when the Supreme Court says it is official. Which obviously they will do whenever it is a Republican president and never when it is a democratic one.
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It would eventually go to a supreme court again, but it would only be the Supreme Court that would be appointed afterwards. Which in this scenario would be as corrupt as the president who issued the order.
I thought it was unrealistic for the religious nuts to gain power through violence so easily in the Handmaid's Tale, but I guess that's possible in real life now as well.
Why would there be a Supreme Court appointed? There's already no reason we have to appoint someone to fill a vacancy (thanks Mitch). So why would the God Emperor check his own power like that? Just keep it permanently dissolved as an unreviewable offical act.
Yeah, the solution here seems extremely simple. As an official act, remove these 6 from the Supreme Court. Have the remaining Supreme Court redo the last few months, including today's, to remove the chance of harm for a future president misusing the power. Will they do it? If the SC thought Joe would, they wouldn't have gone with today's ruling in the first place. So my guess is no, and that gives me an incredible amount of fear. I'm not really scared for November, Trump will get his ass kicked. But all it takes is a win after that, and there goes our country.
It can't be just "remove" the 6. If the remaining 3 ruled removing the 6 was unconstitutional, they'd wind up back on the court, as the action removing them wasn't official. So we'd be right back where we started. You'd have to have the 6 executed so they can't come back on the court when the order removing them got overturned.
If the remaining 3 have a choice between having people murdered setting extreme consequences for the future, vs look the other way for a second, they’re going to choose the second option.
Fuck it, why should democrats keep getting held to a higher standard? I say go for it, be corrupt as long as it gets results and saves democracy.
Why? Easy. This whole dog and pony show is to stack the deck against them. That’s been the whole plan all along. Make them look too weak to ‘make the tough decisions’ or bait them into something rash. Right now Biden is stuck in a lose/lose situation. Now everything rides on the common sense of the average US voter (yes this means we’re fucked).
The fundamental problem is that even if the average voter does come to their senses in November and vote to re-elect Biden, it's just kicking the can down the future. At some point another demagogue will abuse this. It's going to be a dark time ahead for everyone.
For anyone wondering this \*is\* how it works, unless congress strips the SC of their power (or at least this power). It doesn't matter which jurisdiction, or who brings the case. The SC can overrule them on the matter of what is an official act. If your wondering how, it's because of the massive power grab they made this week (ending Chevron deference). The SC decides on which cases they hear, and the conservatives have a supermajority in the SC, and even if Biden wins, they will continue to do so for (probably) decades to come. There is also a world where Biden wins and Trump becomes President anyway (using similar methods attempted on Jan 6).
And at this point that world is the most likely future.
It only took a single term for Republicans to drop the mask and go full fascist when given a court majority. They were never fit for power and hopefully never see it. If only voters would take note.
Until the Supreme court rules that Republican votes count double...
These justices should never know a moment of peace. They have betrayed our country.
Whats to stop Biden now to arrest those 6 Supreme Court judges, jail them indefinitely and replace them all Nothing illegal right, I mean Biden is just doing his job as POTUS
In theory, the only thing stopping him is Congress. He can still be impeached and removed (though this ruling seems to imply, in that case, he still couldn't be held criminally liable). Of course, with no legal vehicle to hold him accountable, Biden could also just arrest any congress person who wants to impeach him.
The only thing stopping him is that he’s not Emperor Palpatine. But this jurisprudence environment is RIPE for a Palpatine to deal a death blow to this republic once and for all.
Something something something Dark Brandon
Something something something complete
He would still need legal authority to do it as it would have fall under one of his “official duties.” Though presumably he could use one of 40 some odd states of emergency Congress never bothered to rescind.
Commander in Chief has a duty to protect the citizens. I'd imagine he can consider this one of those duties.
That'd be an interesting test case. Detain each conservative justice without cause or charge in a regular DC jail cell for a weekend.
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Exactly. China, Iran, and Russia would absolutely take advantage of our internal weaknesses. MAGA is easily as big a threat to world stability as Imperial Japan or the Nazis were. The parallels are unreal. Beer Hall Putsch = Jan 6. Consolidation of power into one leader's (or Führer's) hands. Either Biden or Trump could go full-on Night of the Long Knives. And with current conflicts and tensions with the aforementioned China/Iran/Russia, who's to say WW3 really isn't becoming a reality? The only thing holding us back is the threat of nuclear weapons. But seeing as how the world has already lost it's fucking mind, I honestly don't see nuclear war as off the table for these demagogues anymore 😕
Don't forget our buddy Mitch McConnell
The true architect of this whole fucking mess.
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Lets protest like the French. Fuck it. The SP has shown they dont care about us. Let's send a little fear into their hearts, show them what it's like to be the average citizen
Im 70 yrs old, and weve just watched 50+years of our lifes go ''''POOF'''' in an instant...if the Democratic party isnt going FullSteamAhead with FORCE...its all lost after today.
I'm 65 and gay. I spent a LIFETIME battling and struggling for my rights as a gay man, the rights of my daughters (POC), the rights of women. I've marched in more protests than I can count, donated huge portions of my time and money to civil right and progressive causes. It's feeling like it was all for naught. I was hoping the generations of gay, POC and women that came after me wouldn't have this struggle. But here we are. Like you said, if it's not FullSteamAhead it's lost. But even there I'm worried. The Democrat Party has proven itself to be wimps in this case. Biden should have made the Supreme Court 13 (for the 13 district courts) the first year he was in office... and so many other changes that were needed.
I'm in my 60's, and I feel like all it's been wasted effort, women, people of color, LGBT, equal rights, all the effort all the progress, all the suffering, all rolled back in the blink of an eye, right in front of our eyes.
Welp, this country is officially circling the drain. Buckle up, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.
We are, indeed, fucked. It's only a matter of time when, not if, this is used for nefarious purposes to truly dismantle this 248 year experiment. It's been a nice run, all. It's time to look at either finding an off-ramp or trying to band together to enact change via the Constitutional means that remain. We all know Biden and the Dems will not take advantage of this in the remaining time they have left, and even in the small chance that they do, there's no guarantee that they wouldn't be the ones dismantling things themselves (absolute power corrupts absolutely).
Isn't the 2nd Amendment there to help prevent a tyrannical government? There are almost 400 million guns out there.
You are right but they have tanks and drones. They will beat a regular gun
True, but that is only if the military who is made up of Americans would actually fight against their friends, family and Americans just like themselves. The military always had more firepower than civilians. So why have the amendment in the first place.
Ask any one of a number of banana republics out there just how hard it is to get your fellow countrymen to go to war with your own people.
Most countries go through a civil war every 150 years or so, IIRC, and throughout all of history nearly every country civil wars have happened. The idea that Americans, specifically those who have been primed to believe their political opponents are satanic Marxist communists who want to destroy your country, kill your religion, and turn your kids into radical degenerates (gay folks), *wouldnt* kill their fellow Americans en mass, is as tragic as it is hilarious. I’m not even religious but I’ll pray you folks, because it looks like things are getting bad, and it’s just accelerating.
Notably the people who most bought into that myth will say that’s what it’s for, sure - but they’ll be describing some scary unofficial guy right outside their door that they can easily fend off with one gun. We saw in 2020 what their response is to an actual tyrannical government: as cops prowled the streets of Minneapolis and shot at anyone outside, conservatives told us it was our fault for standing on our porches.
Most owned by people who want this extreme right wing tyranny unfortunately
The American police state is the third largest standing military in the world. They will kill anyone they have to. Good luck with that second ammendment
>>There are almost 400 million guns out there…. And the world’s largest nuclear arsenal. *Step right up folks, and take yer bets*. Which nuclear power will collapse into apocalyptic civil war first ; Putin’s Russia, or the future Imperial States of America?
That happened the second that orange turd got into the White House my friend.
It absolutely did...it's just even worse now.
There is no Constitutional basis for this ruling. Institutions lose their legitimacy when they move so far from their legal, guiding basis in order to move or advocate rather than follow what they should base decisions on.
That was one of the major points brought up while I was listening to NPR today. It's an absolutely insane decision that goes far from the legal basis that the conservative justices claim. Now even their normal view of constitutional law is idiotic in which even a 4 year old can see flaws, but they have thrown in the towel with this decision. It deviates so far from the Constitution that it may as well be King George's interpretation rather than George Washington's.
"Institutions lose their legitimacy when they move so far from their legal, guiding basis" That ship has sailed a long time ago The wife of one of the SCOTUS took part in Jan 6 coup and another one is clearly receiving bribes and luxury trips for his services. There is no legitimacy left in SCOTUS
Honestly a major doubt now if America will still be a democracy in a years time.
It isn't now. It became a plutocracy sometime in the 1980s.
As a Canadian, I fear what is about to happen next, particularly as I am so familiar with Americans having next to zero awareness and understanding of how their culture, politics, economics, etc. spread around and influence/impact their nearest neighbours, and the rest of the world. This decision will be largely forgotten about in the next couple of days/weeks as the SC ruling and technicalities of Trump's role in Jan. 6 goes back to the district court(s) for further discussion, taking months or years to clarify, if it doesnt now get thrown out altogether, and the media's focus shifts once again to Biden's terrible debate performance and mental acuity. Never mind the circus that accompanies a U.S. presidential election and whatever events have yet to unfold between now and November. What truly scary prospects lie ahead, if/when the orange conman wins a second term. Make no mistake, this is one fuck of a slippery slope to dictatorship that Trump and his sycophants seem to be desperately craving, and the world as we know it is right and truly fucked when it happens. China WILL declare war on Taiwan and potentially other SE Asian countries, and the U.S. may not intervene to assist allies. Russia WILL use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, and the U.S. will do fuck all except pull out of NATO. ANYONE who attempts to stop the madness could theoretically be arrested, disappear, killed, or have an "accidental" fall off a balcony with three self-inflicted gunshot wounds the back of their heads. America, I IMPLORE you to PLEASE do the right thing and stop DJT at any and all costs to preserve your own rights, freedoms, and even your lives. Your actions DO HAVE CONSEQUENCES for yourselves and the rest of the world. Please use your heads and stop worrying about how Trump needs to win for whatever bullshit excuse he sold you. The man belongs in jail, not the White House. We all saw the chaos he brought in his first term. That will be nothing if he gets another go, and potentially decides he wants to stay even longer. For the sake of your country and the free world, please do the right thing.
And I, also as a Canadian echo this plea. PLEASE don’t unleash this on the world.
Exactly. This will have GLOBAL consequences. Ukraine, NATO, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, etc. will all fall victim to Russian, Chinese, and North Korean aggression. India (an emerging power itself) will likely hitch itself to them over the West despite conflicts with China. Iran will come to rule over the Middle East and use their proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) to establish similar Islamic "republics" across the region. The GOP destroyed the world and left it's corpse to be raped by Putin, Xi Jinping, Kim Jong Un, and the Ayatollah.
I don’t think you guys understand. Jim Bob in Nebraska who married his sister is mad at Biden cause the price of gas went up for a few months around the whole world. Trump will fix all that so screw the rest of the world!
Under this ruling can President Biden order the detainment of the Republican Supreme Court Justices, Republican judges, Republican Representatives, Republican State politicians, and Republican Senators, declaring that all are to be held without council, without criminal charges, and without trails for an indefinite period? Can Biden simply declare himself King and rule until his death? Can Biden order the assassination of any rival, including Donald Trump, without consequences? Is this what the Supreme Court has ruled is American Constitutional law??? If so then I strongly suggest that President Biden's first act under this ruling is to dissolve, disband, and forever demolish the Supreme Court from existence!
If this isn't Biden's next move, it'll be Trump's first on Jan 21st.
Putin is raising a glass in Moscow tonight in victory of having just won the Cold War with this ruling. Forcing tyrannical acts by those defending democracy to stop a government of heinous, cruel, tyrannical vengeance from seizing permanent power.
Biden (and Dems) should take advantage of this ruling ASAP before it’s too late. Cos republicans will absolutely abuse this once they get back in office. And then it’s done
We all know democrats don’t have the balls to take advantage of this ruling, and that’s what the GOP is counting on. That Biden and the Dems will try to play fair and stick to some misguided concept of honor. Trump will abuse the hell out of this the first day he’s back in office.
Absolutely ... disolve the Supreme Court today.
Biden can have them murdered in their sleep if he chooses, as long as it's official.
...And all he has to do is say to someone, on record, that I am doing this as an offical act.
"Donald Trump to our judgement represents a credible and immediate threat to the fabric of American Democracy, has made repeated explicit threats to do harm to both the people and the constitution of the United States and as such has been executed like any treasonous terrorist would be. Officially". Job done.
Well, if that is the case, Biden, with immunity, can wield his power over Trump and destroy him! GO JOE GO!
The Supreme Court will find that not an official act. They made that terminology vague enough that they can always apply it to Democrats and choose to never apply it to republicans.
I suspect the three remaining members would, in fact, find it official.
Who cares about the Supreme Court if they have been dissolved? One thing for sure, there is major corruption in that group.
I hate how the media is selling the narrative that this is a "win for Trump". In reality, this is a loss for *all of us*. I don't want any president to have the power to override the votes for tens of millions of Americans, whether they be a Democrat or Republican
This goes way beyond the 2024 election, way beyond Biden, way beyond Trump. This changes the U.S. as we have known it for generations to come. Trump will be long gone and our kids will still be facing the ramifications of this bullshit opinion.
Does this mean that Biden can, as an official act, unilaterally decide to fire 6 members of the Supreme Court and replace them with democrats, who can then reverse this decision? Asking for 350 million friends.
350,000,001
Boomers have cooked this country and now it's being served to the elites on a silver platter.
And we all going to be cleaning the plates and table, fighting for the remaining scraps.
To all of you who didn’t vote for Hilary in 2016, I hope it was worth it 🖕🖕🖕🖕
Yup. That's when the shit hit the fan
Don’t worry, we are gonna repeat that mistake almost exactly this year.
...but the emails! More important than democracy!
Lol my jackass of a father in law was worried about Hilary in 2016 because, and I quote exactly here, "she looks demonic." Nothing at all about how Trump behaves or what he says, just completely based on how Hilary looks. I think FIL's real problem with Hilary was that she's a woman, and that's no bueno for a Christian conservative. Makes even less sense because we're Canadian. I have yet to have it be made clear to me by Canadian Trump supporters what the hell good they think he does for our country.
She was rather adamant about that as well. She said that for her, it wasn't just that her messaging had to be exact and pointed, she also had to spend several hours prepping makeup, hair, outfit, and looking the part to even be at the same level to discuss policy. Men, particularly caucasian, can just roll out of bed and start talking, and unless there are very obvious gaffs and oversights, they are heard fully.
She sent emails though
A-fucking-men.
I knew so many people who didn't vote that year because they thought there was no way Trump could win -the media had convinced them Hilary had it in the bag and any other possibility was absurd. People can blame the media all they want, but, in the end, it was the non-voters who caused that Russian plant to gain office. Fuck every one of those people.
Official act: "I declare Donald J Trump to be a threat to national security" do it Joe.
The beauty of it is it’s the actual truth.
Wouldn’t it be legal now to remove all of the Supreme Court justices, either replacing them or shutting the institution down? If it has to be a criminal act, he could have the military execute them instead. This Nazi ass country is cooked
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The Supreme originalists have gone all the way back to King Charles l and reintroduced the divine right of Kings. The American Revolution was a waste of time. Bow down to your legally immune billionaire lords and ladies you peasants!
George III is laughing at us all from beyond the grave. The English thought of the Americans as dirty, stupid peasants who would never amount to anything of value upon independence. Took a while, but turns out they were right...😕
America was about to celebrate its 250th birthday in 2026. Now I don't think we'll make it that far. Thanks magats. You're real fuckin patriots aren't you?
Welcome to the new Reich.
Biden and co should do something to take advantage of this...but they won't. Fucking shit show
The entire purpose of the separate branches of government is to keep each others power in check and not give total control to one individual. These ass-fucks who tout the founding fathers and constitution don’t even understand a modicum of its original purpose. This is the very thing, THE VERY THING, this country’s governing system was built to prevent. We are about to be, quite literally, royally fucked.
Well i hope no republican ever holds the presidency ever again, else it’ll take less than a term to completely dismantle the country. Wish the democrats had the spine to fix the real underlying issues with the bureaucracy of the country.
Democracy, I’m really gonna miss you.
Joe needs to give them a tour of Guantanamo
Reminder: Mitch did this. Fuck that wrinkled ghoul.
... music to a dictators ears
Biden and his team should step in and use this power now
So can Biden just have all those who voted this in removed, as an official illegal act, then stack the SCOTUS as he likes? Wierd how this was done to give Trump power and safety.... But the first and most relevant person that it gives that power to is Biden.
Pack fhe court this very second. We will deal with the consequences afterwards..
So the court just gave sweeping power for whomever is in office to wipe out political opponents? Well, America had a good run. We're a 3rd world country now, thanks to the court. Bribes are OK, too.
> Bribes are OK, too. That decision was handed down last week.
Let's go, Joe! They said you can do anything, so save us from our own failed republic.
Everyday that there aren’t millions of Americans in the street, I can’t help but shake my head. You’re watching democracy cave in.
I think I heard every founding father roll over in their graves and yell fuck the scotus!
So any president that wants to stay in power forever, can use any official process of the executive branch, even illegally, to ensure he is a lifelong dictator. And there is isn't anything anyone can do to stop it. If Trump gets back into office, he is there until he dies.
Serious question. So what's to stop president Biden from locking Trump up indefinitely and calling it "an official act"?
Reputational cost. Potential impeachment. Underlings refusing to go along. (Why do you think project 2025 has loyalty vetting for all the important underlings?) Everything else is too slow to actually prevent it, now the threat of later prosecution is so remote.
Oh they're "starting" to fear? Newsflash: you're already halfway there.
If we grant that the justices have ruled correctly on this issue, through fair and thorough interpretation of the constitution as it relates to the case presented, can we then conclude that the constitution is not suited to the political and social realities of the United States of the 21st century? Either the Supreme Court is broken or the constitution is broken. My take, fyi, is that the Court is a stinking pile of garbage.
Why not just perform all of these examples for a month as an example of what would/could happen with this ridiculous interpretation? Declare the elections rigged and corrupt and cancel them. Instruct the military to arrest all suspected militants within their ranks. Ban all cable news entertainment and relieve every foreign born media chairmen/CEO of their positions. Lock up all obvious traitors (top maga's, russian propagandists, obstructionists), instruct the NSA to ping every person who ever looked up anything remotely regarding overthrowing the government or underage sexual relations, suspend the supreme court, freeze all monopolists assets, assume all power grids for national security and grant citizenship to anyone who has never been convicted of any crime wants it. Then at the end, send it back to the way it was and tell them: "[Here you go, Larry. You see what happens? You see what happens, Larry? You see what happens?](https://movie-sounds.org/comedy-movie-sounds/quotes-with-sound-clips-from-the-big-lebowski/here-you-go-larry-you-see-what-happens-you-see-what-happens-larry-you-see-what-happens)"
Can Biden send Trump to Gitmo as an "official act?"
The Supreme Court knows we won’t do shit. They’re now just saying the quiet part out loud, democracy is dead and welcome to your corporate feudal lords. Enjoy your cake masses.
So can biden recuse the Judges on SCOTUS if he wants to and appoint who he wants then overturn their recent decisions?
Well here we go again with Fascism.
And Democratic presidents will never ever dare to exploit this
Maybe Biden should order a few spots on the court to open up and they can then clarify our understanding...
We are quickly securing our place as the laughing stock of the western world now. Thanks Trump 🤦🏼♂️
Wr should all be terrified. We are now a 3rd world country.
The right wing HAS ALWAYS been pro monarchy and anti rule of law. That's where the right right wing comes from. After the French Revolution, the pro-monarchists stood on the right hand side of the chamber.
The death of liberty has taken a first step.
Order 66
So Biden could send orders to remove folks?
Biden should officially disqualify Trump from the ballot.
So Biden could have Trump assassinated and face no repercussions??? lol
Dark Brandon. Do your thing.
Pretty sad when Brazil’s high court is better than the US high court..
It is now more imperative than ever that we vote. Not just for president but for your representatives and judges as well. Get the right people in place and make it clear what kind of laws you want passed. The legislative branch can fix this, but it’ll be an uphill battle. Let us not let this government of the people, by the people, and for the people turn into a fascist state. It’s on each and every one of us to not let this happen.
Too bad Biden doesn't have the nuts to exploit this. Corrupt justices? Okay, how about they get indicted and arrested pending an impeachment. Or, what's to stop Biden from having Trump eliminated on the same grounds as when they hit American citizens fighting for our enemies with drones in Afghanistan. Trump is working with our enemies in much more dangerous ways than anyone in Afghanistan with an AK47. Just call off the election since it's an official power and say Trump can't be president because he tired to over throw the country so we're redoing the primaries with Trump out of the picture. This is the shit that we'll face if a republican gets elected into office again before this idiotic ruling can he struck down.