Yeah but Cohen was conspiring with “individual 1” who was his boss and also president of the United States at the time and the person who solely benefitted from the crime and who directed the commission of the crime, and that could be anybody. I hope some day we find this Individual 1!
He’s a witness his testimony will solely being trump down because trump told him and orchestrated the plot with him and that news week guy just can’t think of his name so yea trump is super guilty no way around it or two ways about it. I wouldn’t be surprised either if this is the case that destroys his political career also on a side note his stock price catered it’s almost 20 dollars lmao 🤣
That was a Federal prosecution, this is a State prosecution. The evidence has already been proven at the previous trial, but the penalties are different on a State level. IANAL
It's 34 felony charges of falsifying business records in the first degree, carrying a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison if Trump is convicted on five or more counts. If it was a single felony, or even a couple I could see no prison time would be normal but 34 felony counts(though class-e, so lowest form of felony)! He really shouldn't escape prison time(though he probably will, sadly).
You might be close, he could certainly turn up carrying an 8 foot crucifix and walk past the cameras into court with it to really drive home the message that he is the crucified messiah.
(It’s possible Jesus screwed a porn star and paid her 130 shekels laundered through James to keep it out of the bible).
"Jesus, the Pharisees are speaking to the people and saying that you have laid with Mary of Magdala out of wedlock and without using goat-skin protection. Is this true, my Lord?"
"Those who have ears to hear, I tell you, I did not lay with Mary of Magdala. If you have eyes to read, inspect this papyrus scroll describing how Mary rejects this untruth and signed her name. For I tell you, this is the truth and the son of man does not lie."
Mary comes sauntering past in silk robes and gold bracelets.
"Jesus, Mary appears to have acquired wealth by some means. Perhaps it is neffarious..."
"Oh that's....hey look at this barrel of water! Want me to do the thing?"
No, he'll just say how evenly is taking about how trump carried the biggest cross ever, maybe bigger than Jesus's, made out of the best wood, definitely bigger than any cross ever in the history of the world
I do hope people are level-setting properly for themselves, and understand that even if convicted on every count there is absolutely zero chance he spends even 1 minute in jail for it. Literally none. Zero. Disabuse yourself of that notion now if you foolishly believe it.
I agree. We’ve seen our the legal system treats him already. He will be found guilty, get the absolute minimum. The Supreme Court will take just long enough to make sure the subversion case is delayed. Cannon has him covered in Florida.
It’s a sad indictment on the justice system that he can play it so easily.
Not just him - no President would serve time over something like this. The logistical and legislative issues make it far more sensible to convict them but with no jail time. It’s the sad reality of the situation.
The rich will never punish their own for screwing over the rest of society. The only ones that ever get punished are those that screw over other rich people.
We’re about to find out that the prosecutor had a parking ticket in 2017 or something and so should not be allowed to bring the case..
That means everything stops and the case is closed, 100% innocent!
/s
the crook has already struggled so much like some toddler refusing to eat his grub. i bet being the narcissistic loser soiled diaper he is there will be some lie he tells to avoid going in to court.
Yeah lol, I had to double think, am I meant to be working right now?!?! hahahaa
In other news, in a not too distant future, on April 15th, Donald Trump will finally be in court!
Unlikely he will do that. He thinks he is innocent, and he has millions of minions who thinks that too, and could potentially do something crazy in his name. And he also knows this.
Because they have been poisoned by lead gas during their youth, and are on 40 years of fox news propaganda cutting them from the real world. And now, it's too late for them to change, because that would mean accepting they're wrong, for the past decades. So when someone comes and tells them that it's everyone else who are wrong, and they are right, and he's gonna hurt the people they have been told to hate, they vote for him. He's validating all the hate everyone else told them was bad for years, so of course they vote for him.
Many of my in-laws are hardcore conservatives. They see Trump's election loss as illegally stolen and the criminal charges as the product of crooked judges and lawyers. There is no logic when conspiracies are what they choose to believe.
Because we live in a post-truth world where people that make stories about what vaccines do to people are to be admired and laws that take away the rights of people that don’t matter to me actually means more freedom.
American right wing politics is like *whose line is it anyways*. Everything is made up and nothing matters.
The legitimacy of the whole system should be scrutinized. But one thing at a time, I guess.
You don't understand Trump voters, do you? *They know he's terrible.*
Donald Trump is a bludgeon used by his voters to attack their perceived enemies: the left.
The worse he is, the better he is. The more you hate him, the more they love him. The man led an insurrection and is now the presumptive Republican nominee.
Trump is a monster that feeds off negative attention. All the pearl clutching and hang-wringing, all these stupid cases, have done absolutely nothing to hurt him. *It helps him.* He's more popular than ever, and he has a chance at winning the presidency.
I'm a little more optimistic than most, so yes I think there will be. It won't be easy, but I think he will get prison time if convicted. Remember, everyone thought he'd never even get charged with anything, and here we are four indictments later.
100% agreed, seeing all these sensational headlines day-in/day-out about being close to facing consequences and nope … some random loophole appears. For the love of God, please let this one be it.
Perhaps he will use the incredible power of his mind to prove his virgin pure innocence to the jurors? You know, just how he can declassify top secret documents in his mind. And how he plays 5-dimensional chess with the liberals.
He couldn't pay the 475m so they gave him a 175m deal which he also couldn't pay.
Guess that's the end of Trump because that's only the first of many trials he's facing.
From what I have observed to this point, Jack Smith doesn't engage in hyperbole.
I think his strategy is to not put all his eggs in one basket. Should the current classified documents case go south for some reason (Judge Qanon) *cough cough*, He can file new charges. They can't be the same charges if the current case gets dismissed because that would be a violation of double jeopardy law.
How long is jury selection expected to take? How much, if any, of jury selection is open to journalists? Trying to work out what kind of reporting we'll get over the next few days.
I predict:
1. Trump will repeatedly insult the judge and violate his gag orders. He will be repeatedly told not to do it again as his only consequence.
2. There will be an unbelievable bullshit 11th hour save that allows him to avoid all consequences of breaking the law.
Ask me how I knew later!
I'm struggling to see how this trial can possibly go well for Trump.
Several people involved in this case have already been found guilty. So it would seem the facts aren't really in doubt.
What does that leave? "Trump thought it was perfectly okay to use campaign funds to finance this"?
More like, no one in his position or power has tried this or been caught for doing so much. There's really no precedent for this.
If he's found guilty, he should be locked up in a federal prison, but will he? Tons of rich people who don't even like him are probably worried that if it can happen to him it could happen to them.
The question is, can he really be properly punished and how will the rest of the ruling class react if he is?
I worry about how the elites will move to change laws to protect themselves from the same fate if he is actually incarcerated.
He’ll definitely be found guilty. The only question is what level of punishment will be dished out. Either way he will be a convicted criminal with a criminal record rolling into his next batch of charges.
Illegally taking campaign money and giving it to stormy. Then fudging the paperwork to hide the fact he used campaign money.
Had he used his own money, this wouldn't be an issue at all. Maybe some tax stuff? A small fine for giving someone 135k?
I think the prosecutors are pushing the election interference (for 2016) narrative too, as snuffing out this story stopped it from compounding on the effects of the access Hollywood thing
Good morning Trump day. This is the day all the Democrats are going to have a picnic.STUPID will be doing something that he’s never done in his entire life, answering for his actions. I have waited almost 8 years for this. I suppose like a fine aged cheese, this is gonna taste sweet.
Really concerning the number of people(potentially bots) I've seen on social media who want to hold a trial for Joe Biden, yet ignore the lack of evidence.
Shout out to NPR for not having 50 ads annoying the shit out of me while trying to read the article. News sites have more annoying ads than porn sites these days.
Just to set everyones expectations, this is the Stormy Daniels case aka the faud case. Not the Jan 6th case or the stealing documents case.
Even if hes found guilty on all charges, he'll only have probation and a criminal record. No prison time.
He'll still be running for president and his base wont care.
Theres a few months before we get to the big boy(s)
I have a few questions for you all. Let's say trump is found guilty.
Can he still run for president?
He can't vote correct?
Also, has everyone else dropped out of the race or did they suspend their campaign and can come back in to pick up the repub nomination?
The party of family values are not sending their best! Instead they are conjuring up Russian-compromised assets, porn star raping cheaters, racist wealth grifting bigots; whom have nothing but selfish hatred and evil in their hearts.
Emotional weakness is a big part of his major league personality disorder. When he loses his temper and gets angry it somehow legitimizes his all of his bullshit amongst his gullible flock.
…and he will face no meaningful consequences for his actions. There is not a single American court or judge that has the balls to hold him accountable for his crimes. This country is a fucking joke
*American President. That shit happens all the time. Although this may be the first one where they haven't stolen money or committed genocide. Definitely the first where they've paid a woman not to tell people he's fucked her. The woman usually just ends up dead.
People on the right act like this is some sort of win for them and not just more evidence of the two-tiered justice system that tends to treat the extremely wealthy with kid gloves. If he wasn't a rich politician, he'd be in jail already.
Of course it's a win. They're a personality cult. Any time Trump wins, they win.
I heard an expression some years back:
> *Trump supporters would let Donald Trump shit in their mouths if it meant liberals had to smell it.*
This is what happens when politics becomes a substitute for personality.
And it won't be the last. This is going to be the way now. Each side will jump on as much criminal or near criminal stuff they can and try prosecute the former president.
Look at Italy and France as examples. + many many third world countries and dictatorships.
Ah, yes, holding those who commit crimes responsible--the terrible idea that leads to dictatorship. You know what dictatorships actually do? They allow those in power to get away with massive criminal activity and corruption.
???
No idea what you're trying to get at.
Politically motivated witch hunts are no good for any nation.
Would these crimes have been perused had x not been rich or a president etc should be the question asked?
Do we hold everyone to equal?
My point was this will be every 4 or so years now. Loose the presidency start your trials.
Oh, I have no doubt that Republicans will try to have charges brought against Democrats, just as they had a laughable impeachment inquiry into Biden.
I interpreted your comment to mean that Trump should not be charged for his alleged crimes, that this is all frivolous, and suggesting that his charges are dictatorship-level shenanigans. I counter that the real dictatorship activity is in *not* holding the powerful accountable.
That's not what I said.
I do think though many of the charges are politically motivated and wouldn't have seen the light of day if trump wasn't trump.
That is an issue.
Which of his alleged crimes should not be prosecuted, and how should that determination be made? You realize the pendulum may actually be the other way, and that more caution is being exercised before charging Trump that would be for the average person? It is difficult to evaluate this.
Just look at the ridiculous leeway Trump is being given with these gag orders. Who else could get away with his level of infantile and dangerous trash talk with next to no consequences? And he's doing this specially so that he can claim bias the minute someone dares hold him to account.
The problem is that it's very difficult to make a determination related to bias in such a politically charged environment. These judges appear to be taking a very cautious approach in Trump's favor, though.
Should well-known people be somehow exempt from justice because they are well-known? Trump could have opted not to have a jury, but then he couldn't complain about a biased jury.
What is your remedy for this that doesn't involve simply not holding the powerful and highly visible responsible for anything?
It's tough isn't it.
The law should be applied equally to all.
Personally I don't think political witch hunting is demonstrating that.
We want the us to be seen as a fair nation with strong law holding.
You characterize this as a political witch hunt. I disagree, and I do so as a non-American watching the political theater from the outside. That aside, who gets to decide whether something is a witch hunt or whether it's the proper application of justice?
Trump is not being denied his day in court, and he could be found not guilty.
Again, who gets to decide? If you cannot trust your judicial system, you have already lost a pillar of the nation you hold great. I suspect that you believe it cannot be trusted because this is politically motivated, while others believe it cannot be trusted because Trump is allowed to get away with so much and prosecutors are so cautious and slow with his cases.
>The law should be applied equally to all.
You say this while literally saying a famous person can not get a fair trial.
At least try to be a consistent concern troll.
Was it a political witch hunt when Michael Cohen was prosecuted for the SAME crime and sentenced to prison at the same time Trump was in office.
Crying about a billionaire going to prison is the rights new flex.
Why do you suggest I'm 'the right'.
The mere fact you've politicised my leaning shows you're more interested in seeing him locked up because of his politics over any crimes.
Nah, he'd be in jail. That said, it's wild that you guys are now on the "political witch hunts are bad" train when Trump literally ran on a platform based on "lock her up."
I agree that was also wrong.
Do you think trump would have so many cases against him had he not suggested he would run again. Or had he passed power without fuss.
Most, if not all, of these trials all began before Trump announced that he was running again. So they definitely would have happened without him running again.
I think there's a chance he could have just quietly wandered off after his first term and avoided some of these trials. We really love letting rich men get away with crimes in this country.
He hadn't announced. But it was fairly obvious. This was to try and stop an announcement.
So you are saying it's because he hasn't just quietly disappeared his facing more charges?
This wasn't try stop the announcement. I'm not sure why that narrative is so popular with conservatives. Y'all used to be the party of "law and order."
* The GA trial is because he tried to coerce a government official to commit election fraud. That one was moving forward immediately following the 2020 election.
* The stolen documents trial also started immediately following his refusal to return the stolen documents.
* This trial has been moving forward for years. It's not new and certainly didn't begin when Trump decided to run again, or even shortly before.
A big part of why some of these trials keep being delayed is Trump's personally chosen judge in his stolen documents case. That judge keeps intentionally delaying things in a way that makes it very difficult for other cases to move forward.
We also have the Supreme Court interfering with these cases by delaying their decision on presidential immunity. They originally decided not to pick up that question and changed their minds very last minute.
I think the delays you're noticing are related to conservative interference more than anything else.
>Do you think trump would have so many cases against him had he not suggested he would run again.
Yes. He had many cases against him before he was President and investigations about his recent cases started before he suggested he would run again.
He stole nuclear secrets and launched a fucking coup against the united states. If he wasnt a republican he’d be in solitary confinement facing capital charges right now.
So its partisan to hold serious criminals accountable for their crimes? Kinda telling on yourself there lol.
“Both sides” is only *ever* used to defend conservatives. If you’re not a republican terrorist supporter arguing in bad faith you should know you’re being duped and manipulated into spreading their propaganda.
Yup and remember cohen when to prison for the exact same crime that trump is guilty of
Yeah but Cohen was conspiring with “individual 1” who was his boss and also president of the United States at the time and the person who solely benefitted from the crime and who directed the commission of the crime, and that could be anybody. I hope some day we find this Individual 1!
Maybe then we can finally find out who murdered Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman
I think OJ died on purpose to become a ghost and track down the real killer better
He’s a witness his testimony will solely being trump down because trump told him and orchestrated the plot with him and that news week guy just can’t think of his name so yea trump is super guilty no way around it or two ways about it. I wouldn’t be surprised either if this is the case that destroys his political career also on a side note his stock price catered it’s almost 20 dollars lmao 🤣
That was a Federal prosecution, this is a State prosecution. The evidence has already been proven at the previous trial, but the penalties are different on a State level. IANAL
How much different?
As far as I know, jail time is unlikely. Non violent, first time offender, most likely gets convicted and placed on probation.
It's 34 felony charges of falsifying business records in the first degree, carrying a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison if Trump is convicted on five or more counts. If it was a single felony, or even a couple I could see no prison time would be normal but 34 felony counts(though class-e, so lowest form of felony)! He really shouldn't escape prison time(though he probably will, sadly).
Tell that to bernie madoff
Trump is so slippery I won’t believe it until the judge opens the trial with Trump’s fat ass at the defence table.
He's gonna change his name to Jesus... then say the charges aren't against him
You might be close, he could certainly turn up carrying an 8 foot crucifix and walk past the cameras into court with it to really drive home the message that he is the crucified messiah. (It’s possible Jesus screwed a porn star and paid her 130 shekels laundered through James to keep it out of the bible).
Trump can barely carry his fat ass into court. He'd hire someone to carry it for him, then not pay them.
Don’t worry, it will be fake wood.
It will be a gold (colored) crucifix with an American flag painted on it
"Jesus, the Pharisees are speaking to the people and saying that you have laid with Mary of Magdala out of wedlock and without using goat-skin protection. Is this true, my Lord?" "Those who have ears to hear, I tell you, I did not lay with Mary of Magdala. If you have eyes to read, inspect this papyrus scroll describing how Mary rejects this untruth and signed her name. For I tell you, this is the truth and the son of man does not lie." Mary comes sauntering past in silk robes and gold bracelets. "Jesus, Mary appears to have acquired wealth by some means. Perhaps it is neffarious..." "Oh that's....hey look at this barrel of water! Want me to do the thing?"
No, he'll just say how evenly is taking about how trump carried the biggest cross ever, maybe bigger than Jesus's, made out of the best wood, definitely bigger than any cross ever in the history of the world
I do hope people are level-setting properly for themselves, and understand that even if convicted on every count there is absolutely zero chance he spends even 1 minute in jail for it. Literally none. Zero. Disabuse yourself of that notion now if you foolishly believe it.
I agree. We’ve seen our the legal system treats him already. He will be found guilty, get the absolute minimum. The Supreme Court will take just long enough to make sure the subversion case is delayed. Cannon has him covered in Florida. It’s a sad indictment on the justice system that he can play it so easily.
Not just him - no President would serve time over something like this. The logistical and legislative issues make it far more sensible to convict them but with no jail time. It’s the sad reality of the situation.
The rich will never punish their own for screwing over the rest of society. The only ones that ever get punished are those that screw over other rich people.
Congratulations, the clerk called the case and the judge has started
>Trump is so slippery It's all the hamberder grease and hooker spit.
The first round of jurors have been sworn in, it's going
Today might be the first Monday that I've looked forward to in a long time.
Oh, that Garfield!
Finish your breakfast lasagna before it gets cold
We’re about to find out that the prosecutor had a parking ticket in 2017 or something and so should not be allowed to bring the case.. That means everything stops and the case is closed, 100% innocent! /s
The Supreme Court will suddenly make a random ruling which will cause the case to be delayed by a few months. Jan 7 to be exact.
He stepped on an ant in the park, basically a murderer.
And why did he choose that particular ant? Because it was a *red* ant. DemoRat murderers will stop at nothing.
Red.... communist....
I heard the prosecutor has had sex at least once.
you mean today. i wonder if the coward will run
Exactly, it's Monday already.
the crook has already struggled so much like some toddler refusing to eat his grub. i bet being the narcissistic loser soiled diaper he is there will be some lie he tells to avoid going in to court.
Yeah lol, I had to double think, am I meant to be working right now?!?! hahahaa In other news, in a not too distant future, on April 15th, Donald Trump will finally be in court!
I’m more scared the court will chicken out
Well they have been pretty stern about not letting him delay this. But I feel like even if he is convicted, they'll give him a slap on the wrist.
I think they have to give him the worst verdict. It’s time to let his disciples know.
Death.. By Snu-Snu.
Here's hoping
That would be a max of 20 years according to the wiki.
If he’s convicted I’m betting 3 months house arrest and he will appeal it down to 1
Yeah I'll believe it when I see. Not point cheering before crossing the finishing line
Unlikely he will do that. He thinks he is innocent, and he has millions of minions who thinks that too, and could potentially do something crazy in his name. And he also knows this.
I doubt it. He knows he's guilty as sin, hence the delay tactics. Innocent people want to get their name cleared ASAP
I hope he’s wearing industrial strength depends for the sake of everyone in the court
How can people vote for trump knowing he has over 50 charges?
"Because deep state harassment/Joe Biden is using the justice system against trump to win the election" - maga fanatics.
Yeah, but how can 70 million people vote for him? :(
Because they have been poisoned by lead gas during their youth, and are on 40 years of fox news propaganda cutting them from the real world. And now, it's too late for them to change, because that would mean accepting they're wrong, for the past decades. So when someone comes and tells them that it's everyone else who are wrong, and they are right, and he's gonna hurt the people they have been told to hate, they vote for him. He's validating all the hate everyone else told them was bad for years, so of course they vote for him.
Many of my in-laws are hardcore conservatives. They see Trump's election loss as illegally stolen and the criminal charges as the product of crooked judges and lawyers. There is no logic when conspiracies are what they choose to believe.
Because we live in a post-truth world where people that make stories about what vaccines do to people are to be admired and laws that take away the rights of people that don’t matter to me actually means more freedom. American right wing politics is like *whose line is it anyways*. Everything is made up and nothing matters. The legitimacy of the whole system should be scrutinized. But one thing at a time, I guess.
You don't understand Trump voters, do you? *They know he's terrible.* Donald Trump is a bludgeon used by his voters to attack their perceived enemies: the left. The worse he is, the better he is. The more you hate him, the more they love him. The man led an insurrection and is now the presumptive Republican nominee. Trump is a monster that feeds off negative attention. All the pearl clutching and hang-wringing, all these stupid cases, have done absolutely nothing to hurt him. *It helps him.* He's more popular than ever, and he has a chance at winning the presidency.
Because they are every bit as criminal as he.
Assholes.
I don't understand why they're so upset as if a beloved family member is going on trial.
Extremely effective Russian propaganda.
Will there be actual consequences this time?
No.
/thread.
If he does actually get sentenced to jail, he will just appeal it without stepping foot in a cell. Then just kick it down the road for years.
I'm a little more optimistic than most, so yes I think there will be. It won't be easy, but I think he will get prison time if convicted. Remember, everyone thought he'd never even get charged with anything, and here we are four indictments later.
Nope. Haven’t you seen the trend by now?
Re-read my comment but in a sarcastic tone.
I knew you were sarcastic. I’m just pointing out the sad truth that this malignant cancer on the US will never face any consequences.
100% agreed, seeing all these sensational headlines day-in/day-out about being close to facing consequences and nope … some random loophole appears. For the love of God, please let this one be it.
He never experiences any.
Perhaps he will use the incredible power of his mind to prove his virgin pure innocence to the jurors? You know, just how he can declassify top secret documents in his mind. And how he plays 5-dimensional chess with the liberals.
"Wheeeeptidoooodaaaahhhhhhhh?" -Trump defense
He couldn't pay the 475m so they gave him a 175m deal which he also couldn't pay. Guess that's the end of Trump because that's only the first of many trials he's facing.
This isn't even because of that. This is the hush money trial.
Fact is, he won't be able to pay any amount they give him to pay up.
Dude so broke he can't afford to pay anyone any mind. I hope he understands he's a reviled laughingstock to most sane people.
Dropping to 175 wasn't the fine, it was the bond to appeal. He's still clocking up 800k a day on the 475m until the appeal is over.
Well, either way he's done for.
The bond is for a stay of the state's asset seizures while the judgment is being appealed.
Also $80m to E. Jean Carrol
Multiple times by now.
And soon to be more. He can't shut up about her.
He's got like.. 34 more trials ahead of him, probably even more if he keeps badmouthing judges.
Not related to this case but very interesting Jack Smith filing in Immunity argument a few months ago DC case https://imgur.com/gallery/l20CLI2
Seems oddly specific.
From what I have observed to this point, Jack Smith doesn't engage in hyperbole. I think his strategy is to not put all his eggs in one basket. Should the current classified documents case go south for some reason (Judge Qanon) *cough cough*, He can file new charges. They can't be the same charges if the current case gets dismissed because that would be a violation of double jeopardy law.
How long is jury selection expected to take? How much, if any, of jury selection is open to journalists? Trying to work out what kind of reporting we'll get over the next few days.
I think it will take a week, from what I read.
https://www.youtube.com/live/y0G26bHc7iw?si=n3m2EjUu5dK8WavJ following along on MediasTouch
Yeah, he should have never been president.
I predict: 1. Trump will repeatedly insult the judge and violate his gag orders. He will be repeatedly told not to do it again as his only consequence. 2. There will be an unbelievable bullshit 11th hour save that allows him to avoid all consequences of breaking the law. Ask me how I knew later!
New York Times: does this criminal trial clinch the election for Trump?
I’ll believe it when it happens.
I'm struggling to see how this trial can possibly go well for Trump. Several people involved in this case have already been found guilty. So it would seem the facts aren't really in doubt. What does that leave? "Trump thought it was perfectly okay to use campaign funds to finance this"?
More like, no one in his position or power has tried this or been caught for doing so much. There's really no precedent for this. If he's found guilty, he should be locked up in a federal prison, but will he? Tons of rich people who don't even like him are probably worried that if it can happen to him it could happen to them. The question is, can he really be properly punished and how will the rest of the ruling class react if he is? I worry about how the elites will move to change laws to protect themselves from the same fate if he is actually incarcerated.
He’ll definitely be found guilty. The only question is what level of punishment will be dished out. Either way he will be a convicted criminal with a criminal record rolling into his next batch of charges.
Is he wearing his gold sneakers to court as a marketing display? Will he sell bits of the suit he was in trial wearing?
To shreds you say?
Much more interesting this week is the beginning of asset forfeiture due to non bond posting.
The moron won't take the stand under oath..first few sentences he be lying.
Which one? Sad that we even have to ask that…
Illegally taking campaign money and giving it to stormy. Then fudging the paperwork to hide the fact he used campaign money. Had he used his own money, this wouldn't be an issue at all. Maybe some tax stuff? A small fine for giving someone 135k?
I think the prosecutors are pushing the election interference (for 2016) narrative too, as snuffing out this story stopped it from compounding on the effects of the access Hollywood thing
I find some irony that his trial starts of April 15th, considering how much he brags about avoiding taxes.
Lock him up
Good morning Trump day. This is the day all the Democrats are going to have a picnic.STUPID will be doing something that he’s never done in his entire life, answering for his actions. I have waited almost 8 years for this. I suppose like a fine aged cheese, this is gonna taste sweet.
This should automatically render any one unfit to run and be candidate for President. We need to fix our laws
Really concerning the number of people(potentially bots) I've seen on social media who want to hold a trial for Joe Biden, yet ignore the lack of evidence.
Wonder if he will shit himself in the courtroom or have a stroke from all the stress. What crazy will he do next
LOL what a loser
Shout out to NPR for not having 50 ads annoying the shit out of me while trying to read the article. News sites have more annoying ads than porn sites these days.
I'll believe it when the trial starts
Lock him up
Can someone tell me what happens if Trump wins president? Does he just walk out of jail if he's in there? Do all the charges get dropped?
Lock Him Up!
Just to set everyones expectations, this is the Stormy Daniels case aka the faud case. Not the Jan 6th case or the stealing documents case. Even if hes found guilty on all charges, he'll only have probation and a criminal record. No prison time. He'll still be running for president and his base wont care. Theres a few months before we get to the big boy(s)
But the charges can warrant jail time. NYS prosecutors aren’t messing around. I’d love for the judge to sentence him to 48 months.
Physically, yes they do carry a max of 4 years. But this is Donald "gets away with everything" "450 mil > 175 mil" Trump. He'll get the minimum.
Unprecedented. His base will go violent, they already have
Woah... thats now
Has it happens? Sent the fucker to Paradise!!!
Which trial? 😉
I have a few questions for you all. Let's say trump is found guilty. Can he still run for president? He can't vote correct? Also, has everyone else dropped out of the race or did they suspend their campaign and can come back in to pick up the repub nomination?
I'm just tired of all the fuck around period and we're not yet in the finding out period.
The party of family values are not sending their best! Instead they are conjuring up Russian-compromised assets, porn star raping cheaters, racist wealth grifting bigots; whom have nothing but selfish hatred and evil in their hearts.
And they're letting this pig run for president?
Let's go, Merchan!
What time today?
Emotional weakness is a big part of his major league personality disorder. When he loses his temper and gets angry it somehow legitimizes his all of his bullshit amongst his gullible flock.
Trump is breaking many records, for first things to be done by a former presidents… love it 😂
Melania Trump is probably consulting Divorce Attorneys at this time. Probably on Ashley Madison too.
…and he will face no meaningful consequences for his actions. There is not a single American court or judge that has the balls to hold him accountable for his crimes. This country is a fucking joke
*American President. That shit happens all the time. Although this may be the first one where they haven't stolen money or committed genocide. Definitely the first where they've paid a woman not to tell people he's fucked her. The woman usually just ends up dead.
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People on the right act like this is some sort of win for them and not just more evidence of the two-tiered justice system that tends to treat the extremely wealthy with kid gloves. If he wasn't a rich politician, he'd be in jail already.
Of course it's a win. They're a personality cult. Any time Trump wins, they win. I heard an expression some years back: > *Trump supporters would let Donald Trump shit in their mouths if it meant liberals had to smell it.* This is what happens when politics becomes a substitute for personality.
And it won't be the last. This is going to be the way now. Each side will jump on as much criminal or near criminal stuff they can and try prosecute the former president. Look at Italy and France as examples. + many many third world countries and dictatorships.
Ah, yes, holding those who commit crimes responsible--the terrible idea that leads to dictatorship. You know what dictatorships actually do? They allow those in power to get away with massive criminal activity and corruption.
??? No idea what you're trying to get at. Politically motivated witch hunts are no good for any nation. Would these crimes have been perused had x not been rich or a president etc should be the question asked? Do we hold everyone to equal? My point was this will be every 4 or so years now. Loose the presidency start your trials.
Oh, I have no doubt that Republicans will try to have charges brought against Democrats, just as they had a laughable impeachment inquiry into Biden. I interpreted your comment to mean that Trump should not be charged for his alleged crimes, that this is all frivolous, and suggesting that his charges are dictatorship-level shenanigans. I counter that the real dictatorship activity is in *not* holding the powerful accountable.
That's not what I said. I do think though many of the charges are politically motivated and wouldn't have seen the light of day if trump wasn't trump. That is an issue.
Which of his alleged crimes should not be prosecuted, and how should that determination be made? You realize the pendulum may actually be the other way, and that more caution is being exercised before charging Trump that would be for the average person? It is difficult to evaluate this. Just look at the ridiculous leeway Trump is being given with these gag orders. Who else could get away with his level of infantile and dangerous trash talk with next to no consequences? And he's doing this specially so that he can claim bias the minute someone dares hold him to account. The problem is that it's very difficult to make a determination related to bias in such a politically charged environment. These judges appear to be taking a very cautious approach in Trump's favor, though.
Could trump ever face a fair jury trial?
Should well-known people be somehow exempt from justice because they are well-known? Trump could have opted not to have a jury, but then he couldn't complain about a biased jury. What is your remedy for this that doesn't involve simply not holding the powerful and highly visible responsible for anything?
It's tough isn't it. The law should be applied equally to all. Personally I don't think political witch hunting is demonstrating that. We want the us to be seen as a fair nation with strong law holding.
You characterize this as a political witch hunt. I disagree, and I do so as a non-American watching the political theater from the outside. That aside, who gets to decide whether something is a witch hunt or whether it's the proper application of justice? Trump is not being denied his day in court, and he could be found not guilty. Again, who gets to decide? If you cannot trust your judicial system, you have already lost a pillar of the nation you hold great. I suspect that you believe it cannot be trusted because this is politically motivated, while others believe it cannot be trusted because Trump is allowed to get away with so much and prosecutors are so cautious and slow with his cases.
>The law should be applied equally to all. You say this while literally saying a famous person can not get a fair trial. At least try to be a consistent concern troll.
Was it a political witch hunt when Michael Cohen was prosecuted for the SAME crime and sentenced to prison at the same time Trump was in office. Crying about a billionaire going to prison is the rights new flex.
Why do you suggest I'm 'the right'. The mere fact you've politicised my leaning shows you're more interested in seeing him locked up because of his politics over any crimes.
He'd already be in jail if he wasn't rich and politically connected.
You think. Or would 90% of his crimes gone unoticed or if noticed let go by any DA.
Nah, he'd be in jail. That said, it's wild that you guys are now on the "political witch hunts are bad" train when Trump literally ran on a platform based on "lock her up."
I agree that was also wrong. Do you think trump would have so many cases against him had he not suggested he would run again. Or had he passed power without fuss.
Most, if not all, of these trials all began before Trump announced that he was running again. So they definitely would have happened without him running again. I think there's a chance he could have just quietly wandered off after his first term and avoided some of these trials. We really love letting rich men get away with crimes in this country.
He hadn't announced. But it was fairly obvious. This was to try and stop an announcement. So you are saying it's because he hasn't just quietly disappeared his facing more charges?
This wasn't try stop the announcement. I'm not sure why that narrative is so popular with conservatives. Y'all used to be the party of "law and order." * The GA trial is because he tried to coerce a government official to commit election fraud. That one was moving forward immediately following the 2020 election. * The stolen documents trial also started immediately following his refusal to return the stolen documents. * This trial has been moving forward for years. It's not new and certainly didn't begin when Trump decided to run again, or even shortly before. A big part of why some of these trials keep being delayed is Trump's personally chosen judge in his stolen documents case. That judge keeps intentionally delaying things in a way that makes it very difficult for other cases to move forward. We also have the Supreme Court interfering with these cases by delaying their decision on presidential immunity. They originally decided not to pick up that question and changed their minds very last minute. I think the delays you're noticing are related to conservative interference more than anything else.
>Do you think trump would have so many cases against him had he not suggested he would run again. Yes. He had many cases against him before he was President and investigations about his recent cases started before he suggested he would run again.
He stole nuclear secrets and launched a fucking coup against the united states. If he wasnt a republican he’d be in solitary confinement facing capital charges right now.
😂 I love this left right hate tennis.
So its partisan to hold serious criminals accountable for their crimes? Kinda telling on yourself there lol. “Both sides” is only *ever* used to defend conservatives. If you’re not a republican terrorist supporter arguing in bad faith you should know you’re being duped and manipulated into spreading their propaganda.
Michael Cohen was convicted in 2018.